Recently, we have seen massive developments in PS5 emulators (such as shadPS4 and Kyty), and how rapidly they have progressed in a short period.
Now, developers have successfully booted the actual PS5 system software on PC.
If this momentum continues in the future, it will eventually allow players to run PS5 exclusives directly on PC, marking the end of the era of console exclusivity.
If I'm getting electrocuted through nipple clamps or getting my finger nails ripped out I demand a god damned living breathing human to get ptsd and lead to a life of reckless alcoholism damnit.
Unironically, yes. The horrors of war needs to be felt by the perpetrators or there will be no limits to how far they will go. The more removed people are from the situation, the more abstract it becomes and the easier it gets to ignore the effects it has on the victims.
Ever heard Dan Carlin's Blueprint for Armageddon series?
In podcast episode 55, at about the two hour and five minute mark he retells British Private Alfred Grosch's story of being captured by the Germans:
Captured on 22 March 1918, lying out in the open with a young soldier who has a bad head wound. The first wave of Germans is almost on top of them. Carlin reads his account:
"Leave it to me, boy. We're done. We're prisoners now. Do whatever I tell you."
I wait a second and then "Up," I say, "and take your helmet off." We do so. The German in front of me says "Ah," raises his rifle and takes aim. I mutter to myself: "I hope to God he won't pull that trigger."
For ten seconds we remain so. Then he lowers his rifle, and says what I take to be "wounded?" I nod and say, "yes, yes." He beckons and we approach…
The German has spared us. Would we have spared him under the circumstances? God knows. Perhaps not.
The passage ends here.
I'll gladly take my chances and throw myself at the mercy of another human being any day. At least then there's a chance. A mindless machine programmed to kill humans won't stop for anything. There is no capacity for mercy there, no compassion.
You are joking, but one thing that keeps fascist in check is that I was done by humans, isso if it gets too horrible that person changes their minds, AI can't do that
The general public would be shocked at how much software development is ai "assisted" these days. I went to a software engineering conference a few months ago and there was a survey that said something like 90% of the coders there use agentic ai for coding every day. A few years ago that number (for any ai use) was under 10%. These aren't vibe coders. This was for embedded systems that run our factories and control our vehicles. Seasoned veterans, senior/staff engineers coding with ai everyday. It spread so fast.
I think there's a bit of Jevons Paradox going on in the world of software. Increased efficiency is leading to more software being produced. And the coders are still there, because if you tell the ai "build a ps5 emulator" you will get nonsense. There needs to be a competent human involved.
As a coder myself, I can get so much more done with AI man. Once you embrace it (and dont stupidly vibe code, be smart about it) you can really make all those side projects you dream about.
I’m not a coder so take it as an idiot speaking, but from the outside looking in it’s like the boyfriend being scared of the vibrator. You should be ally’s not enemies.
That's mostly it, but with a vibrator that knows your habits and will vibrate to your liking automatically. But sometimes it will also try to enter the wrong hole, and that's where you shine, preventing backdoor usage.
Most coders I know continue to have their jobs, but their jobs are more AI caretakers. It's exactly what happened to me as a Copywriter. I'm now just a slop babysitter.
Me too. My boss keeps nagging me to use Claude Code and I do but he asks for insane things that are impossible to do for one person, like rewriting our whole codebase in two weeks.
You'll probably find that the people who are doing these things can probably code quite well. it's just that things like Claude can help speed things up massively. Things that used to take months/years to do can probably take a few weeks now.
That is the misconsumption of AI: A coder still needs to know what the Bot is coding. Those emulators arent a "Okay Claude make me a emulator" prompt. They require knowledge how OS works, what instructions need to be converted, what even needs to be translated, how shaders work etc etc.
A normal AI Dude wouldnt be able to do this stuff in that amount of time thats for sure.
In a way though it's making your current pc last longer since nobody can afford the latest hardware anymore. Back in the early 2000's your shiny new PC would become hopelessly outdated in just 3 years due to how fast progress was then.
Tbf, you still need decent gpu and 32gb ram, prices of them have gone 3-5x due to ai even for ddr4, even sata ssd and hdd prices have gone up a lot and nvme is out of hand. PS5 console is either out of stock or costs 2-3x of what it should be after 6 year of its launch. I'd rather have actual cheap hardware and maybe even console itself with slow emulator progress over the years instead of this fking ai consuming all ram and storage in world
Ai likely played a huge part of it but i also think that the release of GTA VI really motivated people to work on it with much more "passion". If it wasn't for GTA VI, i doubt that people would have cared that much. Maybe i'm wrong but that's my theory.
It's because the PS4/PS5 architecture is closer to that of PC's. The PS3 was extremely hard to reverse engineer and emulate, but people achieved that without AI.
Local models have gotten shockingly good. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they’re using Qwen or GLM or something similar, in which case they’d only be paying for the initial hardware and on-going electric utility costs.
wasn't there a post about this a while ago where the devs of these emulators complained that their method of intrusion was leaked directly to sony by someone involved and they're afraid that it will be patched before gta6 comes out?
Yes. There is no public method or even rumored private method to dump a PS5 game currently after that patch. So it's protected by encryption until someone finds a new kernel exploit after GTA6 releases.
I did one for razer, massive memory leak in synapse that lasted months and when i reported the fix they said it was a hardware issue on my end and doesn't qualify for payout.
VERY NEXT PATCH THEY FIXED THE LEAK, FUCK YOU RAZER NEXT TIME I SELL IT AS A MEMORY BLEED EXPLOIT.
Yeah, new PlayStation firmware will be required to download GTA 6. People in here have a lot of hope, but I don't think we'll get playable GTA 6 emulation on PC sooner than mid-2027 (if I'm being optimistic)
The emulators that are being developed right now basically are compatibility layers as the zen apu of the PS5 already runs like a PC processor and works on Vulkan. But there is still a ton of stuff that works along the rendering framework. This can change game by game so it's not as easy to just create a PS-OS
The newer Zelda games (Botw and Totk) running on an emulator can support up to 60 FPS but did require some custom patches to make work and fix bugs related to it. But GTA6 I think would theoretically be easier because Botw and Totk was never intended for anyone to run higher than 30 FPS, the same cannot be said for GTA6.
And they're (the zelda games) also on vastly weaker hardware. Emulating a whole ass PS5 and then pushing 60 on GTA 6 (if emulation even reaches that point) would take a 5090 minimum.
Point is AI is making the advances 10x faster. If suddenly achieving 10x your production doesn't feel magical, well, you must have a very exciting life
While I greatly appriciate what's happening, the real deal isn't just not owning the game, but how games are more and more tied into the internet and besides seeing companies like Sony giving the customers the with property rights, they also pull online servers.
There should be laws against all that bullshit, bought is bought, you own it. Same time when a company decides to stop supporting a game, it should become public domain. Just dump the whole shit online and let "us" figure out how to get servers to run again. If they aren't willing to run a server that costs nada, than let the users do so.
If you have ever pre-downloaded a game to play on release, the reason you can't activate it before the date is because the game is pinging the server for a key that isn't available until release.
This can easily be twisted into a scenario where every instance of the game needs a unique key tied to your account that is pinged periodically. If/when servers go down, it's over for everyone.
I will never drop the "Why does your single player game need to be online?" question
The latest advancements are less emulation and more decompilation. The more recent tools can recreate source code that compiles to identical binaries. If you have the source code or equivalent source code, you can edit it to remove any server checks.
They could try to make it harder to get the full compiled executable by requiring you stream it from the cloud, but in order to do that they'd need a client that knows how to pull the binary from the cloud.
You could then decompile the client, see how it's pulling from the cloud, make a custom client that looks identical to the server, then pull the full game, decompile it, edit it, etc.
It's mind blowing how little you actually "own" of Gran Turismo 7. Despite the majority of the content being geared towards single player races, it gets completely walled behind servers, if you try to play the game offline you get access to only a tiny handful of cars and maybe 5% of the "single player" content.
Indeed, but how long will it take for Sony to find out who these devs are and sue them for copyright and all that? I am all for this progress, but I am not putting too much hope in it, as legal actions will be taken once everything starts becoming too good.
The software on GitHub is neither cracked nor copyrighted by Sony.
Think of GitHub as a toolbox, the code inside it as the tools and manuals. Then think of the PS5 software and firmware as a piece of wood you get from somewhere else.
There is nothing in that toolbox that belongs to Sony.
The game is completely illegal to copy But the mschine itself its not a ps5 it doesnt use ps5 code but it can run ps5 games but as long as it doesnt have SONY owned code its a grey legal zone since Nintendo did got his way with enougth money one time.
Because they’re not posting cracked software? Its a legitimate emulation software. Until you use the emulator to emulate a game that you don’t own or isn’t released for the platform, you’re not doing anything illegal
emulation isn't illegal in many areas (maybe everywhere), including the US.
sony got a private emulation company fined for shipping proprietary firmware, though if they had enough money they would've survived (bleem!). nintendo got people to settle to avoid lawyer fees. nobody has managed to create a winning legal argument against emulation in general, though.
The race to get GTA6 running on PC is going to be insane. The groundwork is already laid. The hunger is there.
Pair that with the biggest media launch in all of human history - this is NOT hyperbole - , nerds* are going to be tripping over themselves getting GTA6 emulated properly.
Three weeks. Maybe two. My guess is in less than a month, GTA6 will be playable on an emulator with a decent frame rate.
They release on consoles first because they are locked down and shark card buyers are guaranteed where as PC users will have people shooting money at them day 1 meaning not as many players will buy shark cards
Lmao I'm sure they are terrified of 0,5% population that is tech-savvy to find and run emulators, while 90% of those will but the proper game when it launches anyway
I think it's even less than 0,5%. Not only great build you need to have but also you have to know what emulation is at all. I was suprised how many people i played games with didn't even know what is "emulator".
2-3 weeks? Lol. The only hypervisor exploit known was just patched in 4.10 by Sony. It would be miraculous if gta vi files could even be dumped in one month. Emulation of games, sure, finding exploits isn't remotely as easy or the same. If you follow the jailbreak and emulation scene people are not as hopeful after the Jordy incident.
This is the VSH (Visual Shell) which is the user interface for the system menu. Think XMB on the PSP/PS3, which is those system's version of VSH.
It itself is just software being emulated just like a game, although usually the VSH is especially difficult to run because it uses a bunch of system libraries and features that games usually don't use, so it's often the last thing to be emulated successfully. It's not the entire operating system, and it doesn't mean they're running the PS5 kernel directly.
can't wait to play gta6 which was developed on pc, runs on pc according to the leaks but is propably gonna be restricted to console for unknown reason, on a pc with emulator. on launch day.
“Unknown reason” like we know it isn’t greed. They can charge a bunch of rubes $100 for the compete edition of the game, and then do it again a year or two later with the “updated” edition to sell on PC and newer consoles for another $100
u/Ensaru4R5 5600G | 32GB DDR4 | RX6800 | MSI B550 PRO VDH8d ago
Sony learned pretty quickly that that just makes things worse since their fight with the PCSX2 so they prefer to pretend they don’t exist. Still, if it gains too much traction they’ll have no choice but to respond.
usually dont care for modern console emulation (I do love retro console emulation), however out of spite i hope this emulation succeed , killing physical is such a dick move for us collectors and gamers in general , FUCK SONY
The greed of going digital only so you can never buy used comes really bit Sony. I always thought of Sony as a very greedy company, for over a decade. Imagine paying for something and being told you don't own it. They deserve this.
u/KainingRyzen 3 2200g, Docked Steamdeck on a 27", 144hz 1440p monitor8d ago
The last 3 month were fun. Sony went "we're going full digital, get recked cash cows's ownership" and modders were like "the fuck you are, challenge accepted".
So now, ps5 line up are fully digital and it's glorious.
Majority of the software has been translated, can't believe we might get gta 6 in time of release via emulation of ps5. Sony fucked up killing all their good will.
The concept of a console was already hanging by a thread. They are just prebuilt computers + marketing. It will be harder and harder to enforce exclusivity as the hardware becomes identical. When the only way to play the most anticipated game of all time is locked to 30 fps this will get much louder. Exclusivity can be defended if the tech is mindblowing as it has been historically. This is uncharted territory with "just let me play this on my superior hardware". It's much more clearly software hoarding than a premium experience.
I remember few years ago that PS5 emulation barely booted into PS5 menu, it's insane how fast it is and at the same time, I'm worried for AI and its implication can do if they're this good.
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u/LeadershipOdd4287 8d ago
lmaooo wtf is even happening. (crazy amount of progress made in such short time)