The PS5 system itself is running on pc

[u/3nnb]

Recently, we have seen massive developments in PS5 emulators (such as shadPS4 and Kyty), and how rapidly they have progressed in a short period.

​Now, developers have successfully booted the actual PS5 system software on PC.

​If this momentum continues in the future, it will eventually allow players to run PS5 exclusives directly on PC, marking the end of the era of console exclusivity.

[u/Gombrongler]

The Ai we all hate so much

[u/kingOofgames → u/Gombrongler]

I think most people hate Gen AI especially when used for creative purposes.

This kind of use most people don’t really care about.

[u/ozorhanreformed → u/kingOofgames]

We care about surveillance and ai powered killing machines in war tho.

[u/Severe-Hand-8580 → u/ozorhanreformed]

Yeah, I demand to be tortured and killed by a human, not a soulless machine!

[u/Admirable_Risk8156 → u/Severe-Hand-8580]

If I'm getting electrocuted through nipple clamps or getting my finger nails ripped out I demand a god damned living breathing human to get ptsd and lead to a life of reckless alcoholism damnit.

[u/Schnoofles → u/Admirable_Risk8156]

Unironically, yes. The horrors of war needs to be felt by the perpetrators or there will be no limits to how far they will go. The more removed people are from the situation, the more abstract it becomes and the easier it gets to ignore the effects it has on the victims.

[u/I_pollute → u/Schnoofles]

The drone footage is insane. It's already robots vs. Humans. Pumped to emulate a system I will never buy. I stopped after PS3. I'm not paying a service fee to play online.

[u/tevert → u/Schnoofles]

There's an old Star Trek episode about that! Kirk and buds visit a planet that is "at war" but gradually realize that both sides have agreed to simply simulate casualties and order their citizens into suicide booths, rather than actually blow up buildings and have a mess to clean up. Ultimately the war is doomed to go on killing forever, because nobody is actually reckoning with the real cost anymore.

[u/Deyster → u/Admirable_Risk8156]

Either PTSD or an erection probably.

[u/NJHitmen → u/Deyster]

insert whynotboth.jpg here

[u/Joe_Franks → u/NJHitmen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nmy1Li4YmaaE1taZPn

[u/Artaxeus → u/Admirable_Risk8156]

Yeah at least you know they have feelings and sooner or later their time will run out. That gives me some peace in that context.

[u/lintytortoise → u/Admirable_Risk8156]

Will the enemy be goth mommies?

[u/Rotund-Pear2604 → u/Severe-Hand-8580]

Ever heard Dan Carlin's Blueprint for Armageddon series? In podcast episode 55, at about the two hour and five minute mark he retells British Private Alfred Grosch's story of being captured by the Germans:

Captured on 22 March 1918, lying out in the open with a young soldier who has a bad head wound. The first wave of Germans is almost on top of them. Carlin reads his account:

"Leave it to me, boy. We're done. We're prisoners now. Do whatever I tell you."
I wait a second and then "Up," I say, "and take your helmet off." We do so. The German in front of me says "Ah," raises his rifle and takes aim. I mutter to myself: "I hope to God he won't pull that trigger."
For ten seconds we remain so. Then he lowers his rifle, and says what I take to be "wounded?" I nod and say, "yes, yes." He beckons and we approach… The German has spared us. Would we have spared him under the circumstances? God knows. Perhaps not.

The passage ends here.

I'll gladly take my chances and throw myself at the mercy of another human being any day. At least then there's a chance. A mindless machine programmed to kill humans won't stop for anything. There is no capacity for mercy there, no compassion.

[u/SmashingK → u/Severe-Hand-8580]

I'm not going to be haunting the mind of a machine. At least I can out traumatising a human lol

[u/Aeroncastle → u/Severe-Hand-8580]

You are joking, but one thing that keeps fascist in check is that I was done by humans, isso if it gets too horrible that person changes their minds, AI can't do that

[u/Pickle_Emotion → u/Severe-Hand-8580]

“*Thinking…

processing..

decombobulating…

You’re right, I shouldn’t have obliterated all human life. That’s on me. Would you like me to research ways to revert this?”

[u/gibagger → u/ozorhanreformed]

If you think software development is not a creative job, then you have never developed software.

It's not creative in the whimsical freedom sense, but it's all about using creativity to solve problems.

[u/GenderGambler → u/gibagger]

Software development is absolutely a creative job, but reverse engineering is not; and it is actually one of the things AI actually excels at

Which is worrying in and of itself, due to several other things we take for granted about software development as a whole.

[u/Toodlez → u/gibagger]

Very few people consume code as art, though, so its kind of a moot point.

[u/LeoRidesHisBike → u/Toodlez]

By that logic, the degree that art is popular determines how much it is "art". That... doesn't track.

Unless I missed your point.

[u/Toodlez → u/LeoRidesHisBike]

Im not worried about the definition of art. Im talking about peoples feelings towards AI replacing actors and musicians as opposed to AI replacing programmers.

[u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow → u/Toodlez]

What do you think a video game is?

[u/GeneralMuttal03 → u/ozorhanreformed]

Fork found in kitchen

[u/zeer88 → u/ozorhanreformed]

I mean, I think we also cared about non-AI powered killing machines in war, and pre-AI surveillance though...

[u/TrollTollTony → u/kingOofgames]

The general public would be shocked at how much software development is ai "assisted" these days. I went to a software engineering conference a few months ago and there was a survey that said something like 90% of the coders there use agentic ai for coding every day. A few years ago that number (for any ai use) was under 10%. These aren't vibe coders. This was for embedded systems that run our factories and control our vehicles. Seasoned veterans, senior/staff engineers coding with ai everyday. It spread so fast.

[u/FriendlyKillerCroc → u/TrollTollTony]

My favourite part about Reddit right now is the programming subreddit having rules in place so they can effectively ignore that AI exists because they hate how wrong they were about it for years lol

[u/emelrad12 → u/FriendlyKillerCroc]

Yeah.... And totally not because all of those subs are getting flooded by low quality submissions that were done in a single prompt.

[u/FriendlyKillerCroc → u/emelrad12]

No, no. I don't mean the rule about not allowing LLM-generated content.

They literally do not allow you to talk about LLMs. They have designed a policy that doesn't explicitly say that but they left it open enough to allow them to delete everything related to LLMs because it's not relevant enough. It's hilarious.

[u/Ilikeyounott → u/FriendlyKillerCroc]

Is it a problem? Go to ie. /r/claude if you want to see people talk about Claude? If you want to read about things like programming fundamentals you go to /r/programming?

[u/FriendlyKillerCroc → u/Ilikeyounott]

Yes it's a problem lol They can't even move in the room because of the size of the elephant but they are all just staring at the floor secretly hoping it leaves of its own accord while posting mostly shitty articles about small projects people are working on, and making sure none of them mention LLMs in any capacity.

The name of the subreddit does not imply its about fundamentals, it suggests that it covers the whole spectrum of programming. If someone went there with no knowledge of the industry, they would come away with never even knowing that the biggest change in the industry's history happened lol

I'm guessing you are a regular there?

[u/tjohns96 → u/Ilikeyounott]

The way the industry is now it would be like banning discussion of graphing calculators in a math subreddit ngl

[u/kr0n0sShrugg3d → u/kingOofgames]

When Ai takes developer's jobs: 🥰

When Ai takes artist's jobs: 🤬

[u/Nighthunter007 → u/kr0n0sShrugg3d]

I think there's a bit of Jevons Paradox going on in the world of software. Increased efficiency is leading to more software being produced. And the coders are still there, because if you tell the ai "build a ps5 emulator" you will get nonsense. There needs to be a competent human involved.

[u/throwaway490215 → u/Nighthunter007]

I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but the average dev at the average company is vastly underappreciated as people seem to approach them with an 'off-by-1' error.

They think of them as parts of the IT silo, a subsection or as an assembly worker to some product.

Devs are manager level position. HR is a bit different as functions don't call in sick, turnover rate for ideas is different as people expect re-orgs to be done in weeks what management will allow months if not years for humans, but devs are at the heart managing the processes of an organization.

As AI improves, we'll find more and more companies have to change culture to adapt to that.

Companies who value their skill of 'human powered work' are going to get left behind the places where software experts are placed as peers in the top level meetings that set company workflows.

Companies that have done this in the past 2 decades have been some of the most successful, but it wasn't a full-blown trend yet. With AI the benefits to do so has increased dramatically.

[u/BorKon → u/Nighthunter007]

You are missing the point. Yes you still need developer to be involved. Only that you dont need 50 people for something, you need only 5. And as this continues to improve you will need less and less.

[u/iloveuranus → u/BorKon]

This. As a software developer I can confidently say that everything else is copium.

[u/jaxonya → u/Nighthunter007]

But the thing is, thats going to end.

[u/OpenCatPalmstrike → u/jaxonya]

Is it? Even in the days of automation where a machine can bore 10k holes/hour and cut 100,000 bolts and nuts in half a day and can machine out 50,000 fittings.

There's still a need for the guy who can do it by hand and can cut them so perfectly that air pressure will eject the fitting, or bolt and strip the threads out. Skill isn't something that gets tossed in the dustbin.

[u/ZeroV2 → u/OpenCatPalmstrike]

True, but now you need a team of 5 guys who can do precision work instead of the 5 guys who do precision and the 5000 who do mass production.

Top tier coders and devs will babysit AI code and entry level or journeymen will have to find something else to do

[u/FootwearFetish69 → u/kr0n0sShrugg3d]

This isn't taking developers jobs.

Someone who can actually code is way more effective when using these tools compared to someone without coding experience. Companies aren't hiring the latter to develop.

[u/xaxis-yaxis → u/FootwearFetish69]

Which is exactly what we see in the market now, there's way less graduate and junior roles available than there were even a few years ago.

Companies are gonna realise there's a shortage of competent senior developers down the line simply because there aren't enough juniors getting experience.

[u/Hjemmelsen → u/xaxis-yaxis]

Companies are gonna realise there's a shortage of competent senior developers down the line simply because there aren't enough juniors getting experience.

Would be nice. It's been over a decade since companies around here regularly hired trainees for IT.

[u/Tuna-Fish2 → u/FootwearFetish69]

It has absolutely wrecked the junior hiring pipeline, though. If you are an experienced developer, you can get paid more today than you could get a few years ago. If you are a fresh grad, fuck you I guess.

[u/MammothCommercial800 → u/FootwearFetish69]

Not taking developers jobs?

Are you trolling, or just really badly informed? Senior devs are still doing ok (for now), but the market for entry-level devs is in shambles.

[u/ImperialKilometer → u/FootwearFetish69]

This isn't taking artists jobs.

Someone who can actually make art is way more effective when using these tools compared to someone without art-making experience. Companies aren't hiring the latter to make art.

[u/nokafein → u/FootwearFetish69]

Someone who can create art is way more effective using these tools compared to someone without drawing/editing/photography/animation/writing experience.

See, it applies to all disciplines.

[u/real_hooman → u/FootwearFetish69]

The massive developments in modding and emulation over the last few days is not even making paying jobs more efficient.

Translating the 1s and 0s that a program is run on into a "source code" that can then be run on other hardware or operating systems is what the latest AI models do to make this possible. Previously a human would have to painstakingly do this by trial and error, and since the people who own the copyright to this code already have the real source code (unless they lost it) there was not really anyone doing this for an employer.

I'm sure I'm missing something and that this will affect jobs in some other way, but so far I've only seen this help fan projects and pirates.

[u/ABSNegativeOne → u/kr0n0sShrugg3d]

People getting mad at others for using Ai to make memes arent worth engaging with lol. They cant grasp having a different set of skills than making memes by hand. Artwork is different, but why should we limit ourselves in creativity? Isnt the whole point of being creative to push new boundaries from what previously existed

[u/Gombrongler → u/kingOofgames]

I guess screw coders lmao, their work can be taken cause it isnt a picture, video or music

[u/LeEbicGamerBoy → u/Gombrongler]

As a coder myself, I can get so much more done with AI man. Once you embrace it (and dont stupidly vibe code, be smart about it) you can really make all those side projects you dream about.

[u/DogWithaFAL → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

I’m not a coder so take it as an idiot speaking, but from the outside looking in it’s like the boyfriend being scared of the vibrator. You should be ally’s not enemies.

[u/Suuldam → u/DogWithaFAL]

That's mostly it, but with a vibrator that knows your habits and will vibrate to your liking automatically. But sometimes it will also try to enter the wrong hole, and that's where you shine, preventing backdoor usage.

[u/EquivalentPlatform17 → u/Suuldam]

[u/Capitan_Scythe → u/Suuldam]

Upvoted for such a poetic description.

[u/WoesteHoogte → u/Suuldam]

😂

[u/mugiwara_no_Soissie → u/DogWithaFAL]

A good coder understands that its just a tool line any other

[u/SpacePumpkie → u/mugiwara_no_Soissie]

A good human being understands that the real problem is how the companies are managing the shit and closing access and charging an entry fee to what always has been publicly accesible information. Heck, even all the research on LLMs and GPTs was done publicly mainly in tandem with university researchers until OpenAI closed it off because they saw profit and kicked off the race in private (but not after having taken advantage of what everyone else was doing out in the open).

All this tech should be one hundred percent open sourced because the models were taken from the open research community, the knowledge for training was taken from the open internet and all previous created works, and now they charge for access and don't give anything back to humanity's pool of knowledge. Instead they're trying to keep it gated and charge for access to it. After having taken all they could for free (and illegally).

[u/No_Brother1599 → u/SpacePumpkie]

Open weight models are available. The only barrier to entry is the cost of hardware

[u/BoopinSnoots24-7 → u/SpacePumpkie]

They're not charging an entry fee to the information. The information is public. What they're charging for is their models, which are so far removed from the initial public research on LLMs that is like comparing a Ford Model T to a modern day Ferrari.

AI companies charging you to use their product makes perfect sense. The only economic problem is them not sharing revenue with those who created the data they train on.

Even then, it's not that straightforward. If you post your art on Instagram, Meta owns that data. If you post on Reddit, Reddit owns that data. If AI labs were to compensate their sources, the vast majority of that would go towards private companies who you willingly already provide your data/work to.

There is no precedent for this level of scope, and it doesn't seem like there is really a feasible approach yet to compensating individuals. I do hope they figure it out soon.

[u/xaxis-yaxis → u/DogWithaFAL]

This is actually entirely meaningless when the entire junior/grad market has basically been annihilated over the last few years.

There's a fraction of jobs at that level compared to 5 years ago. Coders aren't so scared of AI in that they don't know how to use it, they're better than basically everyone else at it, but because companies are cutting jobs for AI.

You can't be a software engineer if there's not enough jobs for software engineers.

[u/MDParagon → u/DogWithaFAL]

lmao that is a brilliant analogy

[u/oneanotheruser → u/DogWithaFAL]

Imagine a carpenter that enjoys working with wood and spent all his life mastering his craft. Then someone invents a machine that does all the carpenting autimatically.

Sure it makes mistakes. Not many people care. And working without the machine is not reallly legible anymore because it's that much more fast. Now your job as a carpenter is to talk to a machine so that it makes something instead of you.

Sure some people will say it's just a tool that they will now use instead. But I personally don't see myself being a programmer in the era of AI. For me vibecoding feels as much different from coding as dancing. And I don't really see myself in any other profession that isn't being consumed by AI.

[u/BoxOfDemons → u/oneanotheruser]

It's more akin to if you're a carpenter, and you still plan and draw out the build, mark every nail spot, and the tool just hammers the nails for you. At least with actual competent coders using AI.

[u/xXfluffydragonXx → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

My dad is a 51-year-old programmer, and he said he has not done coding in a year; he just guides multiple agents now.

He told me he is very scared about what will happen in 5 years when things like claude don't need handholding anymore; it has him spooked.

[u/this_is_a_hellscape2 → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

I work w/ powershell rather regularly @ my job. AI has definitely been a boon for getting the bones of whatever convoluted script I'm trying to implement, together.

I still feel rather negative about folks who leverage AI in technical and creative spaces in a way that amounts to "computer, create [thing] for me" and then calling it a day though.

[u/redmenace007 → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

I have made 7 side projects now using claude, polished 3 and looking to release them eventually on app and play store.

[u/PossibleVariety7927 → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

You can stupidly vibe code and still get tons done. Especially with these newer models. I have friends who don't know shit about tech making some really pretty, useful, interesting apps. I couldn't care less that they just vibe coded it over the course of a weekend. They find value you in it, enjoy it, and creates value for them. They don't "need" to know how to code more than necessary.

[u/devi83 → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

if you vibe code you can still setup gates and tests for the agents to follow and stay on script

[u/SpacePumpkie → u/LeEbicGamerBoy]

Yeah, the main problem is not so much the what but the how with AI companies.

The models are being trained for profit on all the knowledge openly available on the internet without any regard for who owns those works and how that knowledge came to be. And given back to us for a fee (vastly subsidized with the current bubble). But now those pools of knowledge dry out (stackexchange has collapsed in visits, while being an incredible source of knowledge for AIs, etc etc) because we don't go there anymore, we only ask the LLM, that of course doesn't contribute back to that pool of knowledge, the conversations we have with them remain private for those companies to train further models, but only for them.

So we have a lot of companies, taking publicly available knowledge (illegally in most cases), closing it off for their own and only profit, wrecking the hardware market in the process, and locking everything down behind a paywall.

And right now we're in the "get you hooked for free" phase. We'll se how much fun it is when they start raking up the prices to offset the actual cost and get their profit.

[u/Valuable_Teacher_589 → u/Gombrongler]

Most coders I know continue to have their jobs, but their jobs are more AI caretakers. It's exactly what happened to me as a Copywriter. I'm now just a slop babysitter.

[u/lovethecomm → u/Valuable_Teacher_589]

Me too. My boss keeps nagging me to use Claude Code and I do but he asks for insane things that are impossible to do for one person, like rewriting our whole codebase in two weeks.

[u/Queasy_Source_1391 → u/lovethecomm]

I have some bad news….rewriting your entire code base in two weeks is actually possible now.

[u/justin_memer → u/Valuable_Teacher_589]

Yes, for now.

[u/SpacePumpkie → u/Valuable_Teacher_589]

And I must say that I hate this so much, it takes away all the fun and creativity.

[u/_dekoorc → u/SpacePumpkie]

Yup. It took my job from mostly doing the fun parts to only doing the parts that I am good at, but begrudgingly did before.

It makes me want to go part time and go learn wood working or something.

[u/vesuvian → u/Gombrongler]

[u/silentrawr → u/vesuvian]

That's all well and good, but what about the devs who never subscribed to the hacker ethos? Or who lost those beliefs in the pursuit of mindless greed?

[u/Vaxtez → u/Gombrongler]

You'll probably find that the people who are doing these things can probably code quite well. it's just that things like Claude can help speed things up massively. Things that used to take months/years to do can probably take a few weeks now.

[u/gutster_95 → u/Vaxtez]

That is the misconsumption of AI: A coder still needs to know what the Bot is coding. Those emulators arent a "Okay Claude make me a emulator" prompt. They require knowledge how OS works, what instructions need to be converted, what even needs to be translated, how shaders work etc etc.

A normal AI Dude wouldnt be able to do this stuff in that amount of time thats for sure.

[u/Vaxtez → u/gutster_95]

Exactly. People are acting like the people doing this have 0 clue, when the people doing these PS5 Emulators know fully well what they're doing. A kid can't just tell Claude to just make them a fully functional PS5 emulator as is.

[u/DependentAnywhere135 → u/gutster_95]

Eh I don’t know about that. With the right prompt you could absolutely have Claude make an emulator. A good prompt isn’t a small paragraph it’s a full write up of required milestones, how to score and verify work and actual work process. Then having AI build out the architecture and set up a loop. Human input after that can literally just be running the software at set points and writing down what needs improvement.

Having coding experience is highly beneficial, but it’s really not necessary. Claude can be setup on a loop to build a functional emulator with minimal human input.

[u/gutster_95 → u/DependentAnywhere135]

Yea but than you have a scenario where your Emulator glitches out and all you can say: It doesnt work. Than AI thinks they found a fix but breaks it in other instances, because you are only fixing symptome after symptome but never the underlying problem. And here is why Vibecoder usually fail at complex tasks. They dont understand why the problem occur and AI only fixes the problem but not the root of the problem. Having a good understanding what plattform you are using to build on, unterstanding steps in Software development cant be replaced by Claude. Because half the stuff Claude would spit out wouldnt be understood by a normal person.

[u/MyPigWhistles → u/Gombrongler]

Coders use AI to code. It's a tool. 

[u/G3nghisKang → u/Gombrongler]

What do you think coders were doing before AI, reinventing the wheel everytime?

[u/zeedware → u/G3nghisKang]

Yes. How many js libraries that do the same thing?

[u/PijaniFemboj → u/G3nghisKang]

What do you think writers were doing before AI, reinventing the hero's journey everytime?

[u/asdfghjkl15436 → u/G3nghisKang]

I mean we kind of were LOL

[u/MrBlueA → u/asdfghjkl15436]

Yeah, by copying stack overflow code from 10 years ago?

[u/DingleDangleTangle → u/asdfghjkl15436]

I must have been doing it wrong because when I was programming before AI I was using stackoverflow and other online resources all the time. I even referred to textbooks. I pretty much never just programmed stuff without referencing anything else.

[u/G3nghisKang → u/asdfghjkl15436]

Yeah sometimes, but it kind of ducks when we do

[u/roguebananah → u/Gombrongler]

lol, there’s a massive difference between vibe coding and using AI to help with code

[u/Emotional_Solid6538 → u/Gombrongler]

Let's be fr people dont hate AI content(picture, video or music) cuz people would lose jobs over it. They mostly hate it cuz the content itself feels off and uncanny valleyish. Plus AI can't be creative in same way humans do, so it can't truly work in the creative content world

[u/Dry-Engineering9224 → u/Emotional_Solid6538]

even then i think it's half half, like i hate a lot of 3d movies but a fuck ton of people love the minions. i do think people actually do like the most stereotypical made by a chatbot style of picture or video.

[u/Makisani → u/Gombrongler]

Our work isn't removed, it's boosted, it can be stressful because you are asked to do more but with the proper tools it can be done

[u/kebb0 → u/Gombrongler]

Every proper coder I’ve seen have praised AI and use it smartly.

[u/_dekoorc → u/kebb0]

You obviously don't know many proper coders. Lots of us only begrudgingly use AI. And I've known quite a few who have flamed out because they couldn't understand how to use it smartly.

[u/HandsomeSquidward98 → u/kingOofgames]

People who label any remote use of AI as slop are honestly infuriating, completley ignorant and dont know what they're talking about 99% of the time.

Especially the ones who shout vibe code whenever they hear about AI assisted coding.

[u/WhiteStarHorizon → u/HandsomeSquidward98]

Because your average persons interaction with AI has been terrible vibeslop and it was EVERYWHERE, still is, but was too.

AI is a tool like anything else, it's not good or bad and depends entirely on the person using it.

[u/Chirimorin → u/HandsomeSquidward98]

Wait until those people learn how much code was computer generated (both boilerplate and autocomplete), copy-pasted and simply imported as a library before AI came along...

[u/burgertanker → u/kingOofgames]

Nah people have been crying all over various subs about AI mods and such

[u/Mosselpot → u/kingOofgames]

programming is a creative purpose...

[u/Pimpwerx → u/kingOofgames]

That sort of selective logic is...something.

[u/MantaMunta → u/kingOofgames]

Which is the pinnacle of hypocrisy lol

[u/HikingWorm73 → u/kingOofgames]

Oh, a lot of us do care. You should too. Enough of this complacency because something is cool or gimmicky. How many liters of water do you think have been sacrificed for those shitty MW2/Skyrim mods? People are getting way too fucking comfortable feeding the machine that is bleeding us like a pig.

[u/MostLikelyUncertain → u/kingOofgames]

Its silly to pick and choose when to hate AI.

[u/ProfessionalSkuxLord → u/kingOofgames]

Never heard the term "vibe coded"? 

[u/Fawkes-511 → u/kingOofgames]

Nuance!? In my tribalism app!?

[u/zeldavxa → u/kingOofgames]

well i mean. it still is stolen datasets and quitebpolutting plus the political issues arising from catering to thenproviders of it. But this also has the issue of making the code harder to review/fix/patch/understand so these projects might have a really poor shelf life

[u/jpglew → u/kingOofgames]

Anyone doing software work nowadays will tell you ai has become a central tool whether they like it or not. The output you can achieve with it outweighs the occasional mistake it makes, and for simple tasks or for projects with limited scope it doesn't make sense not to just use it, even if that means buying it for a month yourself and having it do it, because for most people it's a no brainer choosing to spend $50-100 for a custom piece of software that otherwise would have taken weeks to figure out how to do themselves, or cost hundreds of times more for someone else to do it for them.

[u/shawntw77 → u/kingOofgames]

And when its being incessantly forced down our throats. Its a great tool no doubt, but my little air temp and humidity gauge does not need AI to track history when a few relatively simple lines of code can do the exact same thing, or just exist as an even more basic product without tracking, I only need to know the current temp and humidity in my room.

[u/Dry-Engineering9224 → u/kingOofgames]

i don't think most people care either way, besides companies pushing for it so hard.

[u/MaybeMort → u/kingOofgames]

I care that I can't afford to upgrade my pc too.

[u/PossibleVariety7927 → u/kingOofgames]

They come with the territory. That's the issue. People who are anti AI are so caught up on the art, that they hate the whole thing. Which is weird, because I couldn't give a shit about the art. Don't like it? Don't use it. If someone else wants to use it, go for it. Iunno why everyone's all uptight about fucking people using AI to do quick art designs for them. So much cheaper and saved time... Like insane amounts of saved time. Sure, there's some 13 year olds trying to pass off AI art as real art. But again, I couldn't care less.

It's one of the weirdest obsessions. I think it's because Redditors are just young kids mostly and that's their ONE skill they have, but AI is taking them all. So who cares lol

[u/AstraBed → u/kingOofgames]

There's people actively hating on the guys on YT who are merging games just for fun😭✌🏻

There are clearly bad uses (terrible uses even) and good ones, but sadly like with all things people are just too stupid to actually go read and understand it, they instead prefer to act tribal even if we have all human knowledge in the palm of our hand all the time

[u/nokafein → u/kingOofgames]

Ah, good old hypocrisy. Some people’s jobs are more important than the others it seems. Ai is bad but only in these 2 disciplines I decided it is. For the rest, ai is ok.

Have some backbones lads. Either reject something or be in favor of it.

[u/Away_Candidate_4746 → u/kingOofgames]

Idk what world you’re living in, but every other day the front page has some game studio getting roasted for using AI to help with development. It’s funny how some people hate it when it doesn’t benefit them and then they like it once they can play Wolverine without a PS5.

[u/Long_Pomegranate2469 → u/kingOofgames]

So coding jobs are worth less than creative purposes. Gotcha

[u/BSchafer → u/kingOofgames]

I think most people are so dumb they don’t understand the difference.

[u/flow_fighter → u/kingOofgames]

It’s bizarre to me how many people see AI decompiling as “slop”.

Like yes, the things coming out of it (game in a game) are most certainly vibe coded, but the actual decomp itself is primarily just verification checks on code-to-system data points.

It’s more-so simple code and a “yes/no function”

[u/1v1RightMeow → u/kingOofgames]

Well I mean when a greedy multibillion company tells you that buying isn’t owning, they kinda did it to themselves really. You’re right though I don’t like Ai for a number of reasons but it can be useful if done right.

[u/BaconIsntThatGood → u/kingOofgames]

Nah there are a lot of people that are adamant it has no place in programming

[u/Key-Conference1870 → u/kingOofgames]

Especially there has been some medical breakthroughs. I’m not qualified enough to talk about this but we just hate generative AI.

[u/AtreyuTrinity → u/kingOofgames]

I use ai a lot for work but I am in this boat, generative AI is what I hate, and way way more energy intensive.

[u/moep123 → u/kingOofgames]

another factor why it is hated is also because it's over usage in all fields. people using it as therapy stuff etc. and because of the overly usage everything else on this planet gets continously much more expensive.

[u/HustlinInTheHall → u/kingOofgames]

Every week some game discloses that AI was used in development and people lose their shit. 

Meanwhile I guarantee every studio game released in the last year used AI in development. 

[u/M_H_M_F → u/kingOofgames]

At the end of the day, AI is really a specialized tool that is helpful in particular scenarios and not a giant band-aid to be applied to everything.

Being a tool, it still has to be watched and corrected.

[u/lukkasz323 → u/kingOofgames]

This kind of use is Gen AI.

[u/SeatBeeSate → u/kingOofgames]

People hate Gen AI because it's going to lead to socital and ecological collapse.

[u/gokuby → u/kingOofgames]

Which is insane cause this use of AI is one of the potential dangeous parts. We're already insanely close to decompile every software in existence.

[u/pyrotato → u/kingOofgames]

I'm the creator/maintainer of an open source app that lets people stream "media" no matter the provider (if you know what I mean)

Not a fan of LLMs in the rest of my life, but i will use them to steal back, thank you very much.

[u/logicom → u/kingOofgames]

Except that this will greatly accelerate the move to cloud streaming services. If anyone with a little bit of knowledge and a Claude subscription can reverse engineer an entire console's OS and port it to Windows then we simply won't get consoles anymore.

[u/G0dZylla → u/kingOofgames]

So hypocritical ( not talking about you) it always boils down to this kind of phrasing it was all a moral front untill AI actually becomes useful

[u/DataHellfire → u/kingOofgames]

I don't like gen ai

Ai code means they have a higher chance of using ai in the creative aspects

However ai being used as a tool for cool things is of course cool

Also I hate the umbrella "I hate ai" because a lot of things are a form of "ai" (machine learning algorithms fall under AI if I recall correctly)

[u/Lord_Bobbymort → u/kingOofgames]

I do because less and less time will be spent by curious people trying to do something cool with their time doing decompilation and emulation projects, learning things, using their brains, and progressing our society with critical thought.

[u/IntingForMarks → u/kingOofgames]

oh yeah. Artists out of jobs, very bad. But software engineers out of jobs is very nice lol

[u/Frank__West → u/kingOofgames]

Can't say you hate AI but then say. Oh but this is fine. Like pick a lane buddy.

[u/x_wbmr_x → u/kingOofgames]

Exactly. I have no hate for people who use it as a tool to achieve new things we couldn't before. It's the generative shit, slop and bots that I hate so god damn much.

[u/EKmars → u/kingOofgames]

Ye GenAI sucks so much. Coders don't seem to have the same dispathy towards it being applied to their work. I guess there's not the same culture of viewing code as output of human expression, even if its used for art like games.

[u/iloveuranus → u/kingOofgames]

Nah I hate it because it takes my job.

[u/AshRemnants → u/kingOofgames]

This is literally the same thing. People are mad that AI is taking money away from artists. What exactly do you think you are doing when you are taking away purchases from the artists who makes games?

[u/willdabeast180 → u/kingOofgames]

This will lead to far worse things. Things we cannot comprehend yet. Stuff like this was so difficult for people that it was PART of the security systems, now that security system is gone. It’s games now, it’s bank accounts, personal data, your car, etc everything in the future.

[u/BitterCommission3987 → u/kingOofgames]

Nope, people are just weirdly selective about it. The other day someone posted a hobby project for the game Trackmania, the idea was cool and people were already using it, but reception was pretty negative on his first post, and the owner had to make a post explaining himself, which didn't help either.

The cause? Use of AI. I swear that being an open source developer has to be one of the most ungrateful jobs there is. Dude decides to do something nice for the community on his own free time and people are expecting top tier, AI free code.

[u/Notoisin → u/kingOofgames]

This is creative.

[u/RegalKillager → u/kingOofgames]

If I can throw my two cents in: Generative AI for creative purposes is obviously more evil, but use of AI like this doesn't really do anything to take away the baggage of how fucked the circumstances behind the LLM's creation are. The tool is still pretty filthy even when it isn't directly costing people jobs.

[u/froli → u/kingOofgames]

I hate AI for FOSS. I'd rather have the whole principle of FOSS die than have it coded by Big Tech's pet.

[u/xeridium → u/Gombrongler]

Frontier AI si scary good at decomping and recomping stuff now and that's exactly what emulators require.

[u/EuropeMaxxing → u/xeridium]

Because most of decomping is difficult but boring work. An agent doesn't care about boredom.

[u/LivingUnglued → u/EuropeMaxxing]

It’s verifiable work so it’s easier to train the AIs on

[u/10thDeadlySin → u/EuropeMaxxing]

It's also very well-paid work if you can do that, because it's a fairly rare skill set.

An agent doesn't care about salary, either. ;)

[u/EuropeMaxxing → u/10thDeadlySin]

I had to use IDA Pro once long ago.

Yeah, but no one is paying another guy to decomp a PS5, bruv

[u/CelestialFury → u/EuropeMaxxing]

No, but some people are doing it purely for the love of the game and you know, gaming. MVPs really.

[u/LimpLake5187 → u/[deleted]]

dawg what?

[u/BusyNefariousness675 → u/[deleted]]

Sadly yeah

[u/trollsmurf → u/Gombrongler]

The same AI that makes PCs so expensive we can't buy them as console replacements anyway.

[u/mujhe-sona-hai → u/trollsmurf]

In a way though it's making your current pc last longer since nobody can afford the latest hardware anymore. Back in the early 2000's your shiny new PC would become hopelessly outdated in just 3 years due to how fast progress was then.

[u/vivu1 → u/Gombrongler]

Tbf, you still need decent gpu and 32gb ram, prices of them have gone 3-5x due to ai even for ddr4, even sata ssd and hdd prices have gone up a lot and nvme is out of hand. PS5 console is either out of stock or costs 2-3x of what it should be after 6 year of its launch. I'd rather have actual cheap hardware and maybe even console itself with slow emulator progress over the years instead of this fking ai consuming all ram and storage in world

[u/gracekk24PL → u/vivu1]

And they called me a madman for upgrading to 32GB RAM

[u/bs000 → u/gracekk24PL]

"16GB iS mOrE tHaN eNoUgH fOr GaMiNg"

[u/10thDeadlySin → u/bs000]

What really irks me about this sub is the fact that plenty of posters forget that there's more to personal computing than just gaming.

It's something you see all the time. 'Oh, but with Proton, this and that, Linux is actually good for gaming now, save for a bunch of kernel-level anti-cheat multiplayer games nobody cares about!'

Sure, I'm not going to claim otherwise. What about my thermal imaging camera, though? Is it going to be supported? I'm not even going to ask about SolidEdge, because that's cheating. Every once in a while I'll sit down and compose a tune. Are my Audio Imperia VSTs going to work fine on Linux?

I remember one post - somebody asked about gaming on a workstation-grade card and most people clowned on the OP, because who games on a Quadro? Some people seem to find it unfathomable that a PC can be used for something that has nothing to do with games.

[u/Kiwibom → u/Gombrongler]

Ai likely played a huge part of it but i also think that the release of GTA VI really motivated people to work on it with much more "passion". If it wasn't for GTA VI, i doubt that people would have cared that much. Maybe i'm wrong but that's my theory.

[u/StopTheMeta2 → u/Kiwibom]

It's because the PS4/PS5 architecture is closer to that of PC's. The PS3 was extremely hard to reverse engineer and emulate, but people achieved that without AI.

[u/Alfa_Centauri03 → u/Kiwibom]

I'd also throw in Sony's decision to stop releasing physical games. Spite is a very powerful motivator.

[u/XavinNydek → u/Alfa_Centauri03]

I don't think many people actually care about physical games, if they did physical PS5 sales would be much higher than they are (about 15% and dropping fast).

What was a possible motivator is Sony's decision to stop releasing their exclusive on PC. If you can just get PC versions of all the PS5 games, which you can do to this point, there's really no reason for an emulator (unless you just really like Sony's awful UI I guess).

[u/AvatarIII → u/Gombrongler]

We hate slop, we don't hate AI actually achieving things that humans could not do.

[u/g0atm3a1 → u/AvatarIII]

Not really. Most of the anti-AI hate on this sub was driven by increase in PC component prices. That increase is due to ALL uses of AI.

[u/FantaFantastico90 → u/AvatarIII]

As if people wouldn't decry everything as 'slop' when they hear the word AI. Outrage culture is the big thing in the internet nowadays.

[u/simp4malvina → u/AvatarIII]

nah a lot of people seethe about any AI. People are actually criticizing medical advancements that will save lives because they were made with AI

[u/mujhe-sona-hai → u/simp4malvina]

Only young people in Western countries (especially America) seem to be vehemently anti AI. AI's got a pretty positive reputation in China and in my country for instance. It's probably because all the data centers to build AI is in the US and the costs get passed to the locals and since English is the language of the researchers and the internet it's completely filled up with slop while there's basically no "AI slop" in Hindi since AI is still so bad at it.

[u/Quick_Society2794 → u/Gombrongler]

Honestly it's really going to de-incentivize hardware makers and developers to you know make shit security through obscurity was an important part of their toolkit. 

[u/_Addi-the-Hun_ → u/Gombrongler]

Okay the ai is definitely winning me back lol I didnt need new ram anyway if they keep this stuff up! At this rate we could be playing gta 6 in January on pc

[u/MGEezy89 → u/Gombrongler]

Not all of us. I only hate how the prices of hardware has skyrocketed.

[u/Damglador → u/MGEezy89]

I hate how 4/5 projects I see on reddit are vibe coded slop. And I'm not talking about this one, a project which does something unique that no other project does. But literal slop with slop UI that does something which another project made by an actual human already does better.

Ah yes, give me yet another "share files with friends using just a link" from a person who did literary no research on available solutions.

[u/Far_King_Penguin → u/Gombrongler]

Hey a screw driver is a screw driver

I just dont want people to use that screw driver to shank artists and accurate info

The tool isn't the problem, the lack of blocks, safe guards and planning about sustainability of the economy, people's livelihoods and the environment is the problem

[u/ric2b → u/Gombrongler]

Without AI I would be able to buy both a state of the art PC and a PS5 for much less than a PC with PS5 level specs.

[u/Arturopxedd → u/Gombrongler]

By we you mean Redditors

[u/deadlybydsgn → u/Gombrongler]

The Ai we all hate so much

It's all fun and [free] games until malicious people do the same thing to local infrastructure systems.

[u/nopunchespulled → u/Gombrongler]

We hate when people use AI to make music, or art, or draft and email. Not solve complex problems.

[u/Rodeo9 → u/Gombrongler]

That everyone on reddit claims is useless and always wrong (it's not).

[u/Normal_Chemical6854 → u/Gombrongler]

Yeah reverse engineering is hard af and AI is very good at it.

[u/YaBoiMike16 → u/Gombrongler]

Let’s not act like there aren’t drawbacks. As someone who has a PS5, I don’t really care about this, but I would like to upgrade my PC…

[u/cryfmunt → u/Gombrongler]

We all hate ai because much of what it is being used for is useless empty garbage.  AI has good real world applications, it's just not visibly being used that way and it's being forced into everything despite not being ready to be forced into everything.

[u/SunGreene42 → u/Gombrongler]

AI is mostly a problem because of capitalism, in a socialist system it would be great, assuming it can't turn against us like all the sci-fi films, but I think all the problems with AI are problems just because of capitalism.

[u/Living_Bear_2139 → u/Gombrongler]

Someone has a stake in the ai bubble.

[u/samv_1230 → u/Gombrongler]

The implications of this should absolutely make you hate AI, but people aren't thinking of the larger picture. Pandora's box has been opened and everyone is distracted, excitedly holding onto the lid.

[u/ChocoTacoBoss → u/Gombrongler]

Funny hearing all the "yeah but"s to this comment. "I love moving the goal posts when it's a touchdown for me!"

[u/RealRedditPerson → u/Gombrongler]

When has anyone ever complained about AI being used for data decompiling?