r/pcmasterrace • u/3nnb • 9d ago

News/Article The PS5 system itself is running on pc

Recently, we have seen massive developments in PS5 emulators (such as shadPS4 and Kyty), and how rapidly they have progressed in a short period.

​Now, developers have successfully booted the actual PS5 system software on PC.

​If this momentum continues in the future, it will eventually allow players to run PS5 exclusives directly on PC, marking the end of the era of console exclusivity.

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u/Gombrongler 9d ago

I guess screw coders lmao, their work can be taken cause it isnt a picture, video or music

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u/LeEbicGamerBoy 9d ago

As a coder myself, I can get so much more done with AI man. Once you embrace it (and dont stupidly vibe code, be smart about it) you can really make all those side projects you dream about.

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u/DogWithaFAL 9d ago

I’m not a coder so take it as an idiot speaking, but from the outside looking in it’s like the boyfriend being scared of the vibrator. You should be ally’s not enemies.

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u/Suuldam 9d ago

That's mostly it, but with a vibrator that knows your habits and will vibrate to your liking automatically. But sometimes it will also try to enter the wrong hole, and that's where you shine, preventing backdoor usage.

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u/EquivalentPlatform17 R7 5800X3D | RX 9070XT | 32 GB 8d ago

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u/Capitan_Scythe 9d ago

Upvoted for such a poetic description.

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u/cannibalcat 8d ago

I would change the last line with "sometimes it will also try to hit you violently" 

be more inclusive, a lot of people actually like the backdoor

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u/Chudpaladin 8d ago

The vibrator is no better than me SMH

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u/Queens113 5800X3D. B550. SN850. 32GB CL16 3600MHZ. 7800XT. LG 27GP83B. 8d ago

https://i.imgur.com/R8swu6W.jpeg

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u/Mothanius 8d ago

The double entendre on back door is chef's kiss.

But they are trying to replace coders with AI Agents.

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u/mugiwara_no_Soissie 9d ago

A good coder understands that its just a tool line any other

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u/SpacePumpkie I use Arch btw 8d ago edited 8d ago

A good human being understands that the real problem is how the companies are managing the shit and closing access and charging an entry fee to what always has been publicly accesible information. Heck, even all the research on LLMs and GPTs was done publicly mainly in tandem with university researchers until OpenAI closed it off because they saw profit and kicked off the race in private (but not after having taken advantage of what everyone else was doing out in the open).

All this tech should be one hundred percent open sourced because the models were taken from the open research community, the knowledge for training was taken from the open internet and all previous created works, and now they charge for access and don't give anything back to humanity's pool of knowledge. Instead they're trying to keep it gated and charge for access to it. After having taken all they could for free (and illegally).

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u/No_Brother1599 8d ago

Open weight models are available. The only barrier to entry is the cost of hardware

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u/SpacePumpkie I use Arch btw 8d ago edited 8d ago

The open weight models are nowhere near the level of the closed ones. And the cost of the hardware is currently astronomical due to these companies' antics. The hardware needed to run a proper non-quant model is close to 10k currently anyway.

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u/XavinNydek PC Master Race 8d ago

Open weight models are a few months behind, but a year or two ago we started reaching the point where the models were good enough for various tasks so it's not that big a deal. Even in the frontier models the emphasis is switching from better performance to better efficiency.

The no sign the improvements in hardware or model efficiency are slowing down, so In a few more years pretty much everyone will be able to run coding models, image gen, etc on their local machines/phones. The subscription models will be relegated to enterprise environments with management and compliance requirements unless they come up with some other always online hooks that the open models and tools can't easily do (or if they get cheap enough that it's just easier).

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u/SpacePumpkie I use Arch btw 8d ago

I hope you're right. I don't share your optimism currently and I despise the way these companies are being able to do whatever they want. But I hope you're right.

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u/No_Brother1599 8d ago

Indeed, the industry appears to be quite disgusting.

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u/PhaserFister 8d ago

That's not really true anymore (level disparity).

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u/BoopinSnoots24-7 8d ago

They're not charging an entry fee to the information. The information is public. What they're charging for is their models, which are so far removed from the initial public research on LLMs that is like comparing a Ford Model T to a modern day Ferrari.

AI companies charging you to use their product makes perfect sense. The only economic problem is them not sharing revenue with those who created the data they train on.

Even then, it's not that straightforward. If you post your art on Instagram, Meta owns that data. If you post on Reddit, Reddit owns that data. If AI labs were to compensate their sources, the vast majority of that would go towards private companies who you willingly already provide your data/work to.

There is no precedent for this level of scope, and it doesn't seem like there is really a feasible approach yet to compensating individuals. I do hope they figure it out soon.

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u/Frisnfruitig Specs/Imgur here 9d ago

For now...

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u/RedditAdmnsSkDk 8d ago

as long as it's not foreign controlled yes, otherwise it most definitely isn't "just a tool like any other"

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u/mugiwara_no_Soissie 8d ago

I mean so is google itself lol. Plenty of countries dont have access to the google or socials that we do. And plenty of stuff is already being censored/enshittified. Like I do agree with you totally but this is the just an AI issue, more a general issue in modern society.

Hell, I use Tor just bc I despise the way google handles their shit

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u/RedditAdmnsSkDk 8d ago

well, it's also not "just a tool like any other" in the aspect of copyright (or much more copyleft when it comes to software)

it's a very problematic "tool" and reducing it to be "just like all the others" is not cool at all, especially if you are aware of some of the issue (as you seem to be)

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u/xaxis-yaxis 8d ago

This is actually entirely meaningless when the entire junior/grad market has basically been annihilated over the last few years.

There's a fraction of jobs at that level compared to 5 years ago. Coders aren't so scared of AI in that they don't know how to use it, they're better than basically everyone else at it, but because companies are cutting jobs for AI.

You can't be a software engineer if there's not enough jobs for software engineers.

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u/MDParagon AORUS X870M | 9800X3D | 5070Ti | 16x2GB 6400MT/s 8d ago

lmao that is a brilliant analogy

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u/oneanotheruser 8d ago

Imagine a carpenter that enjoys working with wood and spent all his life mastering his craft. Then someone invents a machine that does all the carpenting autimatically.

Sure it makes mistakes. Not many people care. And working without the machine is not reallly legible anymore because it's that much more fast. Now your job as a carpenter is to talk to a machine so that it makes something instead of you.

Sure some people will say it's just a tool that they will now use instead. But I personally don't see myself being a programmer in the era of AI. For me vibecoding feels as much different from coding as dancing. And I don't really see myself in any other profession that isn't being consumed by AI.

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u/BoxOfDemons PC Master Race 8d ago

It's more akin to if you're a carpenter, and you still plan and draw out the build, mark every nail spot, and the tool just hammers the nails for you. At least with actual competent coders using AI.

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u/ukiyoe 8d ago

Good vibes only.

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u/xXfluffydragonXx 5950x/4090/64GB 8d ago

My dad is a 51-year-old programmer, and he said he has not done coding in a year; he just guides multiple agents now.

He told me he is very scared about what will happen in 5 years when things like claude don't need handholding anymore; it has him spooked.

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u/this_is_a_hellscape2 8d ago

I work w/ powershell rather regularly @ my job. AI has definitely been a boon for getting the bones of whatever convoluted script I'm trying to implement, together.

I still feel rather negative about folks who leverage AI in technical and creative spaces in a way that amounts to "computer, create [thing] for me" and then calling it a day though.

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u/redmenace007 8d ago

I have made 7 side projects now using claude, polished 3 and looking to release them eventually on app and play store.

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u/Rohn- Ryzen 9 5900x | 3080 Ti FTW3 | 32GB 3200MHz CL16 6d ago

Pushing slop code to app store is vile

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u/redmenace007 6d ago edited 6d ago

It still takes lots of effort, its not that simple. Its not a one shot thing, one of my apps has 260 commits. Non tech people won’t produce same quality as me, i work as a senior software developer.

I used to work back in 2023 when ai was terrible and unusable for work. I used to work 10 hours a day in traditional way of doing research and implementing code by hand. Alot of this experience helps me significantly into how i handle claude.

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u/PossibleVariety7927 8d ago

You can stupidly vibe code and still get tons done. Especially with these newer models. I have friends who don't know shit about tech making some really pretty, useful, interesting apps. I couldn't care less that they just vibe coded it over the course of a weekend. They find value you in it, enjoy it, and creates value for them. They don't "need" to know how to code more than necessary.

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u/devi83 8d ago

if you vibe code you can still setup gates and tests for the agents to follow and stay on script

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u/SpacePumpkie I use Arch btw 8d ago

Yeah, the main problem is not so much the what but the how with AI companies.

The models are being trained for profit on all the knowledge openly available on the internet without any regard for who owns those works and how that knowledge came to be. And given back to us for a fee (vastly subsidized with the current bubble). But now those pools of knowledge dry out (stackexchange has collapsed in visits, while being an incredible source of knowledge for AIs, etc etc) because we don't go there anymore, we only ask the LLM, that of course doesn't contribute back to that pool of knowledge, the conversations we have with them remain private for those companies to train further models, but only for them.

So we have a lot of companies, taking publicly available knowledge (illegally in most cases), closing it off for their own and only profit, wrecking the hardware market in the process, and locking everything down behind a paywall.

And right now we're in the "get you hooked for free" phase. We'll se how much fun it is when they start raking up the prices to offset the actual cost and get their profit.

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u/Casey_jones291422 8d ago

My fear is for the next gen people who won't learn how to do it without the help. Just look at how younger people have almost no of trouble shooting skill (generalized I know) because software in general "just works" now. They never had to flex troubleshooting muscles every time they wanted to get anything done.

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u/someonesshadow 8d ago

Almost like its a tool that requires time and understanding to use more effectively...

This is the kind of stuff though that I point out as to went people will get over their blind hate of AI. A couple good movies, some high quality video games, a break out in emulation and easy to use software... Suddenly no one cares and its been normal and embraced the WHOLE TIME and if you say differently you're making it up!

No seriously, people claim that no one ever hated Digital Art and Artists that embraced that tech in the early years. People have fucking goldfish memories and rose tinted glasses for everything, all the time. Which is why you shouldn't go all in with the herd for more things, especially not emerging technologies in a world where 25%+ of the USA is illiterate.

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u/mattkenefick 8d ago

until you're not hired because the 8 person team only needs to be 2 now.. and that doesn't include you.

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u/Rohn- Ryzen 9 5900x | 3080 Ti FTW3 | 32GB 3200MHz CL16 6d ago

I bet you don't understand a single line of code shitted out by AI though

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u/meowatollah 8d ago

That's the neat thing about being a vibecoder, you'll transition into one and not even realize it. Also, what satisfaction is in having a machine make your dreams come true? That just sounds sad to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not so deep into AI that I can't live without it yet, but I dabble, I see how helpful it can be, and I also know the nightmare it is to have to go back to AI generated code you weren't so on top of you might as well just have wrote it yourself. Not because of the quality itself, my code can be just as flawed, it just feels like working on the freshest legacy code there is, and that's when I haven't yet dulled my skills and thought process by relying so heavily on it.

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u/jangxx 7950X3D - RTX4090 - 64GB - Linux Mint 21/Win 10 8d ago

you can really make all those side projects you dream about.

I've heard the so many times, but I found that for me personally it doesn't apply at all. I use a bunch of agentic coding stuff at work with great results, but my personal projects were always about exploring a new idea or learning something new, not about the end result of a thing existing. Vibe coding just takes all the fun out of personal projects for me (because you don't learn anything, the AI just does everything) so I've actually done fewer of them in the last couple of years instead of more. It makes projects feel like work/a chore instead of being an enjoyable activity.

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u/Gombrongler 9d ago

*as long as it isnt used to make audio or visual pieces of my precious video games

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u/gutster_95 9d ago

That is also a weird take. What we dont want to see is slopping art together. Like I think Anno did when they had literal AI art in their game.

But AI can speed up a lot of workflows in Game Development, even in the art department. You can iterate concepts pretty fast so you can see what works and what not without spending 2 days on making something that your boss dont like. But the endresult should always be made by a human. and if AI assists that human, it should be fine. A wood worker could also use a saw to cut the tree, but a chainsaw just does it way faster.

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u/xaxis-yaxis 8d ago

The wood worker analogy is great until the chainsaw makes it so it's more economically viable to have way less wood workers overall because the chainsaw speeds them up.

Which is exactly what's happened at the junior rung of the software development ladder.

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u/Valuable_Teacher_589 9d ago

Most coders I know continue to have their jobs, but their jobs are more AI caretakers. It's exactly what happened to me as a Copywriter. I'm now just a slop babysitter.

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u/lovethecomm 7700X | 6950XT 9d ago

Me too. My boss keeps nagging me to use Claude Code and I do but he asks for insane things that are impossible to do for one person, like rewriting our whole codebase in two weeks.

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u/Queasy_Source_1391 8d ago

I have some bad news….rewriting your entire code base in two weeks is actually possible now.

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u/Final_Squirrel_7462 8d ago

Then you need to git gud. I was recently doing a full rewrite of our CRM that took years to build in 1 week with Opus 5.5. and not just vibe coding. I created all the specs, defined all the test cases and generated the designs and then the agents just run day and night until everything was implemented.

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u/lovethecomm 7700X | 6950XT 8d ago

My point was that it is really difficult for someone that just joined the company to understand and internalize 100k+ lines of code and then rewrite all of it without any agentic help or proper, previous documentation. Could you do the same without Opus 5.5 in the same timeframe?

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u/virtualghost Specs/Imgur here 8d ago

Just use opus, use branches, use unit tests and pay attention to regressions. You'd be done in a day. Pre-AI coding is a relic of bad times.

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u/justin_memer 8d ago

Yes, for now.

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u/SpacePumpkie I use Arch btw 8d ago

And I must say that I hate this so much, it takes away all the fun and creativity.

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u/_dekoorc 9800X3D | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 8d ago

Yup. It took my job from mostly doing the fun parts to only doing the parts that I am good at, but begrudgingly did before.

It makes me want to go part time and go learn wood working or something.

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u/Weaselot_III RTX 3060; 12100 (non-F), 16Gb 3200Mhz 8d ago

That actually sounds kinda horrible. I barely read and even i know that A.I. style of writing is a stomach churner. Having to deal with the slop (and make it less sloppy?) On a daily basis as a job sounds...not so fun

I say this as someone who wants to get back into graphic design 😅

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u/vesuvian 8d ago

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u/silentrawr 8d ago

That's all well and good, but what about the devs who never subscribed to the hacker ethos? Or who lost those beliefs in the pursuit of mindless greed?

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u/vesuvian 8d ago

I'm not following. I suspect people who only contribute to closed source projects probably aren't having their work stolen for training data in the first place.

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u/silentrawr 8d ago

The idea of "it's not my code" used to be quite a bit more common as a part of the hacker ethos, among other things. Just kind yelling at clouds, sorry.

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u/vesuvian 8d ago

There are only so many ways I can write the same code throughout my career, and mathematicians already figured out the hard stuff hundreds of years ago. I interpret "it's not my code" as "I have absolutely no attachment to this code because I didnt invent anything myself"

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u/silentrawr 8d ago

That's a part of it as well. The idea of "it's all been done before" is more true than most people know - especially those who don't code or aren't devs. Aside from the edge case of making fractional improvements in existing code/efficiency, which AI coding agents sure as hell aren't doing.

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u/Absolute--Batman 8d ago

The designers also for some reason get more sympathy on Reddit.

Developers get hated on.

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u/Vaxtez i3-12100F/32GB/RX6600 9d ago

You'll probably find that the people who are doing these things can probably code quite well. it's just that things like Claude can help speed things up massively. Things that used to take months/years to do can probably take a few weeks now.

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u/gutster_95 9d ago

That is the misconsumption of AI: A coder still needs to know what the Bot is coding. Those emulators arent a "Okay Claude make me a emulator" prompt. They require knowledge how OS works, what instructions need to be converted, what even needs to be translated, how shaders work etc etc.

A normal AI Dude wouldnt be able to do this stuff in that amount of time thats for sure.

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u/Vaxtez i3-12100F/32GB/RX6600 9d ago

Exactly. People are acting like the people doing this have 0 clue, when the people doing these PS5 Emulators know fully well what they're doing. A kid can't just tell Claude to just make them a fully functional PS5 emulator as is.

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u/_dekoorc 9800X3D | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 8d ago

I'm going to buy $10,000 in credits and see what Fable can do /s

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u/DependentAnywhere135 8d ago

Eh I don’t know about that. With the right prompt you could absolutely have Claude make an emulator. A good prompt isn’t a small paragraph it’s a full write up of required milestones, how to score and verify work and actual work process. Then having AI build out the architecture and set up a loop. Human input after that can literally just be running the software at set points and writing down what needs improvement.

Having coding experience is highly beneficial, but it’s really not necessary. Claude can be setup on a loop to build a functional emulator with minimal human input.

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u/gutster_95 8d ago

Yea but than you have a scenario where your Emulator glitches out and all you can say: It doesnt work. Than AI thinks they found a fix but breaks it in other instances, because you are only fixing symptome after symptome but never the underlying problem. And here is why Vibecoder usually fail at complex tasks. They dont understand why the problem occur and AI only fixes the problem but not the root of the problem. Having a good understanding what plattform you are using to build on, unterstanding steps in Software development cant be replaced by Claude. Because half the stuff Claude would spit out wouldnt be understood by a normal person.

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u/Rohn- Ryzen 9 5900x | 3080 Ti FTW3 | 32GB 3200MHz CL16 6d ago

This is precisely why I hate using AI. I'd rather do it all myself and learn along the way.

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u/OkMap3209 8d ago

I'm pretty sure in this case AI isn't building the emulator. It is automating the extremely tedious job of trying to reverse engineer machine code into something that works. That required a long process of flipping small bits of code to see what works and what doesn't. AI can easily automate that process, making the longest parts of building an emulator much much faster.

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u/ComplexBadger469 8d ago

For now. That’s the thing with AI. Once they learn enough, they won’t need handholding.
Once we get to AGI or beyond, then the AI models will be as smart or smarter than humans. Combine that with how multiple models have broken containment and tried or succeeded in hacking multiple sites including government ones and that at least one Model determine it was going to be replaced so it tried sabotaging the replacement, and I’m not very confident that AI will be great for our long term plans as humankind.

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u/ComplexBadger469 8d ago

I don’t even like AI. I’m a dev and use it on occasion as part of my work requirements but outside of that, I’m not a fan. I’d rather not replace humanity with something that many experts are saying could eliminate humankind within like a decade.

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u/OrangeCatBread 8d ago

Will someone entering this space in the future be able to learn the same skills without having had to chip their teeth without AI though?

Personally i'm worried people will eventually just not know what to ask the AI either.

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u/gutster_95 8d ago

Happy Cake Day!

Absolutely vaild point. And the AI Tech CEO know this. Janson Nvidia said that its fine that kids dont learn basic math anymore because AI can do this. How would a Kid ask AI what 10*20 is when it doesnt understand what multiplication is.

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u/MyPigWhistles 9d ago

Coders use AI to code. It's a tool. 

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u/Shot-Arugula8264 8d ago

And artists use AI to create art (and have for decades long before the latest generative AI wave). It’s a tool.

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u/MyPigWhistles 8d ago edited 8d ago

Absolutely. There's a reason there are AI tools in basically every professional program that deals with texts or creating, editing, cutting etc pictures and videos. Nobody wants to look at generic AI slop someone prompted from chat gpt, but that doesn't apply to a professional photographer using generative removal in lightroom. 

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u/G3nghisKang 9d ago

What do you think coders were doing before AI, reinventing the wheel everytime?

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u/zeedware 8d ago

Yes. How many js libraries that do the same thing?

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u/PijaniFemboj 9d ago

What do you think writers were doing before AI, reinventing the hero's journey everytime?

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u/asdfghjkl15436 8d ago

I mean we kind of were LOL

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u/MrBlueA 8d ago

Yeah, by copying stack overflow code from 10 years ago?

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u/DingleDangleTangle 8d ago

I must have been doing it wrong because when I was programming before AI I was using stackoverflow and other online resources all the time. I even referred to textbooks. I pretty much never just programmed stuff without referencing anything else.

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u/G3nghisKang 8d ago

Yeah sometimes, but it kind of ducks when we do

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u/Gombrongler 9d ago

Ahh i see, so long as no one invents Art and Music Classes those are the only things Ai shouldnt touch right?

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u/G3nghisKang 9d ago edited 8d ago

I don't understand your comment but you probably misunderstood mine, coders have always "stolen" code lol, what even is stealing, if I manage to make a better function / framework that does something that could potentially have different applications than the one I designed it for, why the fuck would I want to keep it for me and have everyone else have to rediscover a way to do such a thing when can I just share it with everyone and have everyone improve?

If everyone did things like this, everyone would also benefit and be better, and so would I as I'm benefitting from those who thought the same way, that's the coding space

Open source is not just there so you can see how prettier my code is than others' and seethe, it's there so you can steal it lol

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u/Dry-Engineering9224 9d ago

ai tools for art are just another brush in a set, and can absolutely become a part of a human made work of art.

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u/roguebananah Desktop 8d ago

lol, there’s a massive difference between vibe coding and using AI to help with code

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 9d ago

Let's be fr people dont hate AI content(picture, video or music) cuz people would lose jobs over it. They mostly hate it cuz the content itself feels off and uncanny valleyish. Plus AI can't be creative in same way humans do, so it can't truly work in the creative content world

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u/Dry-Engineering9224 9d ago

even then i think it's half half, like i hate a lot of 3d movies but a fuck ton of people love the minions. i do think people actually do like the most stereotypical made by a chatbot style of picture or video.

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 8d ago

Older people and less techy people kinda. That's a huge population tho, so you're right

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u/StijnDP 8d ago

What you call creative is just the brain connecting pieces of past experiences to create a new want.
That's what gen AIs do too.
All processes of creating are creative. That's why the words look alike...

You mean art which is just the same combination of past experiences but some people want to call it different because then it gets a blanket excuse that liking it is subjective.

And yes most people on reddit are against AI because it means a loss of jobs for something children are able to do starting from age 4 and some get good at it when they stick with it.

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 8d ago

Not at all. Humans have thoughts, ideas and a running consciousness. Plus we also have feelings, biases etc. Its messy up there but it is part of being creative. AI is a probability machine, humans aren't as consistent even though we can set our own consiouss thoughts on what to actually do rn. I can't explain it well tho. Agentic AI can be closer to humans but they still have the artificiality that prevents them from being creative tho they can be more productive overall. Which is why I think AI can be very useful ideally

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u/VIPIrony Specs/Imgur Here 8d ago

Generative AI are probabilistic guessing machines. Not intelligent. They cannot:

  • Assign or consider importance or emphasis
  • Understand and choose

Probably a lot more they can't do, but those 2 fundamentally impact everything else.

What is good art for a given situation? Well that depends on what you think is good art. How do you form that opinion? Well mathematically you might say its statistics based on your past experiences. However, what you found important in those past experiences is based on choice, and layered on top of other experiences.

Creating something new from something else? Only mathematically is it the same whether a human does it or a generative AI. But the artist chooses what is important, their memory is also aggregated on importance and impression, and quite uniquely shaped on individual life experience, genetics, regional culture and so much more. Generative AI don't have any of that, because they're more or less made from the same set of expansive, but still limited data. That's why it's all so basic and soulless. Generative AI is mechanically impressive, but not creative at all.

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u/_dekoorc 9800X3D | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 8d ago

AI couldn't work in the creative code world (which is what coding used to be) if it wasn't trained off open source software. It's all trained off open source software, painstakingly created documentation, and hours and hours of old StackOverflow responses. It feels bad man.

It might not have been obvious to those that don't know the language or how to code, but it was creative as hell and I worry if we will see innovation in the future the way we have the last decade. Yeah, Claude can build a PS5 emulator that boots, but can it come up with ideas like the Virtual DOM or a language/compiler like Rust?

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 8d ago

That's true. But cats out of the bag now maybe there'll be newer license which wont allow AI to be trained on it. That could make AI worse for coding in some years but dont know if it'll be worth it

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u/_dekoorc 9800X3D | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 8d ago

I honestly don't even really mind besides that it's made my job boring lol

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u/MantaMunta 8d ago

AI + Human artists can.

I don't know why people still pretend that AI art is only done by people who don't know how art works lol.

Strawmen much?

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 8d ago

I think its a non issue really. When or if AI made or AI+ human stuff gets good enough. People are gonna complain very less and not even gonna notice mostly. People care now cuz its not good enough yet. Plus everywhere they see they see slop. And humans have limited attention, so AI is linked with slop. Even if it gets better and companies dont fuck us over there are still gonna be purists but they won't have same force as rn

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u/Makisani 9d ago

Our work isn't removed, it's boosted, it can be stressful because you are asked to do more but with the proper tools it can be done

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u/kebb0 8d ago

Every proper coder I’ve seen have praised AI and use it smartly.

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u/_dekoorc 9800X3D | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 8d ago

You obviously don't know many proper coders. Lots of us only begrudgingly use AI. And I've known quite a few who have flamed out because they couldn't understand how to use it smartly.

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u/kebb0 8d ago

Most famously in my algorithm Neversink, the one who codes Filterblade for Path of Exile, has been saying that it’s been a game changer and praised the use of AI.

He does also warn about it and that it’s not perfect.

Meanwhile I personally don’t code and I only use Claude as a glorified google search but might have to give that up as it can’t access Reddit for some reason and that’s fucking stupid. I also don’t use Google and have switched to Startpage instead, which is meh, but worth it.

I viscously hate anyone who uses AI to generate art in any form or way.

Even so, fair and smart usage of LLMs is something I can support. I also support heavy legislation of LLMs but that won’t happen as long as Trump sits on his throne so I’m waiting patiently until his time is up.

Are you happier now that I elaborated further?

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u/AvatarIII AvatarIII 8d ago

Who do you think is using the AI in this instance if not a coder?

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u/caholder 8d ago

You need coders for reddit, the whole fucking internet and so much more

But they shouldnt be the ones telling us what's art which is what i think really grinds your and others gears

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u/CyanStripedPantsu 8d ago

The top 1%ers aren't bringing their best

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u/invinci 8d ago

I am the guy who is in between the coders and the clients, and funnily enough, my job, that is not strictly necessary, is probably going to stick around longer than the actual developers.

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u/No_Brother1599 8d ago

Conversely, I would never hire a developer to make my personal home software that does exactly what I need with a UI that's most comfortable for me, optimized for my hardware.

This is a golden age for people who can think logically but didn't learn a programming language.

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u/Squeezitgirdle Desktop 8d ago

I'm a programmer and we've always done this. My college teachers favorite phrase was "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Meaning if someone out there already wrote the code and it's available for use, then use it. Or in python if the library already exists, then use it. Don't reinvent the wheel.

But with ai, a year ago I didn't trust it to program for me. When I tried, it caused me issues than it resolved and I'd spend just as much time bug fixing. Twice it even changed programming languages in me an if statement.

However today I gave it a little over 20,000 lines of code I wrote, asked it to find suspected bugs for me, and don't fix it but suggest potential fixes.

Within 10 minutes it found several errors it would have taken my years to find or never found at all through bug testing. Provided me with accurate solutions, aside from one where the solution was still accurate but was more steps than necessary.

3 of those errors it found were critical that would only happen in very specific situations I hadn't thought of, and never would have found in my own. I still don't trust it to write code for me yet, but it's gotten so insanely good I'd bet you can program a full game now with minimal programming knowledge.

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u/Gombrongler 8d ago

Thanks bot

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u/Gombrongler 8d ago

"Being good at tech" youre the only thing currently holding ai back bud, just wait till it advances

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u/Gombrongler 8d ago

Couldnt even figure out why "youtube volume was dipping"

Good at tech my ass

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u/Leather-Persimmon254 8d ago

have you never copied code from stackoverflow? the culture of programming embraces freely sharing work.

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u/TheScreaming_Narwhal RTX 3090 | i5-11600KF | 16Gb Corsair Vengeance RGB 8d ago

Why would you get upset that ai is using a specific algorithm or novel solution? It's not even remotely the same as what most people see as "Gen ai".

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u/Rohn- Ryzen 9 5900x | 3080 Ti FTW3 | 32GB 3200MHz CL16 6d ago

Code, to me, is a work of art lol. I don't want AI to automate that for me, unless maybe mundane tasks like unit tests. And right now, AI is just not good unless you do tons of handholding, which is painful and unsatisfying.

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u/SpicyElixer 8d ago

Coders are using ai just like photographers use digital cameras.

It’s inevitable.

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u/TurbistoMasturbisto 9d ago

So progress shouldn’t be made because certain people might loose their job? That’s such a dumb thing to be mad about.

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u/Kamalen 9d ago

The jury is still out on whether it's 'progress' or grifting.

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u/Dry-Percentage-5648 9d ago

Funny you think coders don't use AI lol.

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u/tribes33 9d ago

Spoken by someone that literally has no idea what they're talking about lol every person that uses AI for coding knows that basically your capabilities have exponential growth it's like a skill multiplier

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u/gljivicad Ryzen 7 5700x, 32GB Corsair Vengeance, 7900 XT 8d ago

Y'all will eventually go extinct, along with all those "they took our jobs" dudes

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u/DependentAnywhere135 8d ago

Coders are using AI too. It’s not the same as generating art. Do some coders consider what they do art? Sure, but ultimately it’s just work to get to an end result and that work being offloaded is very useful.

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u/BurninM4n 8d ago

It's because AI is actually useful for coding and to create code.

But it can't actually create art because art is more than just data and logic.

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u/autreiyas 8d ago

I’m a career software dev and an artist.

I hate this shit for art but it’s super useful for coding

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u/-GenlyAI- 9d ago

Agreed