Spider-Man: Brand New Day - Worldwide Release Discussion Thread

[u/KostisPat257]

Spider-Man: Brand New Day has now been released in the United States and in a number of other countries around the world.

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• Spider-Man: Brand New Day - International Release Discussion Thread

[u/PeterParker72]

I wasn’t expecting to be so moved by Frank’s admiration being earned by Peter.

[u/villa139 → u/PeterParker72]

Reminded me of Ultimate Cap talking about Peter; "when you grow up, you are going to be the best of us."

[u/PeterParker72 → u/villa139]

That really does sum it up right there.

[u/kwxl]

Frank cosplaying as Spider-Man was peak MCU. 😄

[u/JackFisherBooks → u/kwxl]

You could tell Jon Burnthal was having a blast in that scene.

[u/CnlSandersdeKFC → u/JackFisherBooks]

You can tell Bernthal is having a blast this whole film, but for me the stand out was definitely the possession scenes. It was just really funny seeing Bernthal strike these effete poses. Everyone was doing really great body work in this film, and I gotta know who was the body coach. 

[u/UndeadT → u/CnlSandersdeKFC]

His voice control to sound like Jean speaking through him was awesome.

[u/CnlSandersdeKFC → u/UndeadT]

I gotta say, somehow Jean’s depiction is rock solid across… what like 7, 8 different actors before we actually see Sadie? 

We’re introduced to Jean through like nearly a dozen different actors playing her throughout this film, but there never seems to be a noticeable discontinuity. That is some phenomenal directing and character coach dedication going on behind the camera.

[u/TrainXIV → u/kwxl]

I loved how Bernthal still grunted like The Punisher while cosplaying Spider-Man

[u/CocoPopsKid]

It was the most comic book-feeling comic book movie which has come out of the MCU for a while. Plenty of crossover and interaction between characters from different corners of Marvel, it was excellent

It felt more grounded and was a joy to experience street-level Spidey after years of globe/universe-trotting adventures

Oh and the suit looks impeccable 😮‍💨

[u/Pen_dragons_pizza → u/CocoPopsKid]

You are right, it was great to watch.

I have always wanted crossover like this in all mcu movies which don’t jsut feel like cameos.

Hulk, Jean and frank all served actual purpose, not jsut for fans to point at the screen

[u/ProfessorXWheelchair → u/Pen_dragons_pizza]

yup, first mcu movie in a long time that felt lije we were in a shared universe without being forced. felt like the old mcu again

[u/justafanboy1010 → u/CocoPopsKid]

I liked how the swinging visuals took inspiration from the TASM movies and the videos games mainly. It was beautiful 

[u/usagicassidy → u/justafanboy1010]

The extra wide shot of him standing on top of the train right before he visited Yelena was so Insomniac-coded I loved it.

[u/MaserOfficial → u/usagicassidy]

Even the fighting moves like the finisher he used against The Hand was straight from them.

[u/fightintxag13 → u/justafanboy1010]

The rooftop brawl taking down multiple enemies with guns felt like a side mission come to life in cinema…in the best way

[u/SkimGaming → u/fightintxag13]

also the tank chase. first taking off the gunner at the top, then steering it away from people.

Beautifully done

[u/robodrew → u/CocoPopsKid]

Small potatoes!

[u/RadiantChaos → u/CocoPopsKid]

Agreed, the suit is fantastic.

We used to get sick crossovers all the time, Spidey and Black Panther in Cap, Dr. Strange in Thor, the list goes on. Since Endgame the crossover has always felt so cameo-like instead. Finally having a movie that combines everything is awesome. The main cast of this movie is Spider-Man and his two best friends, Hulk, Black Widow, The Punisher, and fucking Jean Grey of all people. That's so freaking cool.

[u/CruzAderjc → u/RadiantChaos]

If you told me in 2012 after I leave the theater watching Avengers 1 that we’ll get an MCU movie in the same continuity where Spider-man gets shot by Punisher using a sniper rifle, but only because he was trying to kill Jean Grey, who was talking to Aunt May. But Punisher was just trying to kill Jean Grey because she used her powers to do dangerous shit like controlling the Hulk. And that’s probably why Spider-Man and Hulk won’t be around in the next movie when Thor assembles the Avengers, X-Men, and Fantastic Four to fight Dr. Doom.

I would be like what the fuck did you just say.

[u/CrisVas3 → u/CruzAderjc]

If you had told me "Yeah, Aunt May somewhat kicks off the X-Men post-death by way of her ghost/memory talking down a rogue Jean Grey in a Spider-Man movie" I would've lost my mind.

[u/flibber_deez_gibbets → u/CrisVas3]

And yet, it's so good. I am LOVING how they're bringing mutants in this way. Spidey is becoming the connective web of the MCU, turns out. But still, despite all that, it was still a grounded Spider-Man story. This is the promise of the MCU, just having a rich world with a wide cast of characters that you can set stories in

[u/Livid_Weather → u/CocoPopsKid]

The balance between realism and being true to comics was really well done. 

[u/Fire_Otter]

There's some irony in the fact that in that scene early on in the film between Spider-Man and Metzger, when Metzger says he has no clue what V-Max is, thats what made me think "well he's lying and he's clearly bad"

and yet it turns out he genuinely had no clue what V-Max was

and the V-Max payoff itself was both brilliant and sad

[u/PassivelyAwkward → u/[deleted]]

Same! Was thinking was Xavier that was locked behind the door that was being kept partially drugged and Jean was the only person capable of picking it up.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/Fire_Otter]

You can see the gears turning in Jean's head as she figures out what V-Max is. Sadie is a really good actor.

[u/IAmBadAtInternet → u/your_mind_aches]

She was well cast. Her facial acting was great in all the silent scenes where’s she’s using her power, and when she’s being tortured. Very believable and expressive. She’s going to be great in the X-men live action reboot.

[u/greenroom628 → u/your_mind_aches]

There were 3 audible gasps in the audience for three scenes: this was one of them

[u/Average-JRPG-Enjoyer → u/Fire_Otter]

It's so sad that it wasn't some grand, intended message. It was just the last thing her mind processed. A scared girl's dying breath.

[u/KouNurasaka → u/Average-JRPG-Enjoyer]

V Max is one of the darkest things I've ever seen in a film in a good while. If you spend more than 2 mins thinking aboit it, that is some dark shit.

[u/Xygnux → u/KouNurasaka]

Yeah there were plenty of brainwashing and human experimentations done in the MCU before, but it's almost always an adult character's origin story and/or you see that they are at least physically fine afterwards even if mentally scarred.

To show that the government literally experimented a kid to death and her dying thought just feels that much more horrifying.

I was a bit iffy on them making Jean Grey the villain... But after that yeah her actions are understandable.

[u/Ok-Amount3384 → u/Xygnux]

I would classify Jean's role her as an antagonist instead of villain per se.

[u/narutotabby → u/Fire_Otter]

It was the “where did you hear that” line that made me think he wasn’t a good guy.

[u/AVR350]

No girl and No Banner

Only Hulk

Entire audience lost their shit during that scene, really good to see Savage Hulk back

[u/TimDRX → u/AVR350]

Him yelling "get out of the building" was really upsetting! Felt so bad for the guy.

[u/figgityjones → u/TimDRX]

Him asking if anyone was hurt when they were putting him in the ambulance was so heart breaking. Big Hulk fan, I really love when Bruce gets to actually be worried if he hurt people as Hulk. A lot of modern comics like to make him cold and distant and I'm glad they have continued to avoid that interpretation.

[u/EmployeeLazy8826 → u/figgityjones]

It really captivated the guilt he feels for having an unstoppable monster inside him that can destroy everything.

[u/AVR350]

So Spider-Man just paved the way to the creation of those Mutant collars

[u/JackFisherBooks → u/AVR350]

Yep. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I hope this sort of thing gets revisited at some point.

[u/flibber_deez_gibbets → u/JackFisherBooks]

Oh it absolutely will. This movie was a surprise mutant introduction

[u/Majestic-Marcus → u/flibber_deez_gibbets]

To be fair, Ms Marvel introduced them. It’s just that nobody watched that.

Then The Marvels expanded on it. But nobody watched that either.

[u/ramiandn → u/AVR350]

Technically it already existed when Wanda was in custody in Civil War. She was wearing something in her neck.

[u/Tacodogz → u/ramiandn]

The part that gets Bruce scared is when Peter mentions them automatically adjusting to an individual's DNA. So whereas they might have had to specially design an inhibitor for Wanda, they now can mass produce the things and slap them on any mutant as soon as the x-gene manifests

[u/SC_Fan_55 → u/Tacodogz]

As if poor Pete doesn’t have enough guilt…

[u/mehrabrym → u/SC_Fan_55]

I guess Peter also inherited the "trying to develop technology for the better but accidentally create a Doomsday device" trait from Tony Stark.

[u/MssrSqueezy → u/mehrabrym]

Doomsday...

https://giphy.com/gifs/g0Ub5PgMoLqaNKBpDH

[u/lyndsayj]

The banter and bickering between Spider-Man and the Punisher throughout the movie was A+.

[u/TheJoshider10 → u/lyndsayj]

Friendly reminder that Frank's son would be around Peter's age now so Peter is the closest thing Frank has to a son.

[u/TypicalStar → u/TheJoshider10]

Damn there’s nothing friendly about that brick you’re throwing

[u/your_mind_aches → u/TheJoshider10]

Ironically, Frank isn't "Spider-Man's dad" like Tony and Mysterio in the first two movies. He is more of an equal but opposite type of vigilante.

[u/ProfessorXWheelchair → u/your_mind_aches]

yeah i feel like it’s more older brother vibes than dad vibes

[u/Fire_Otter → u/TheJoshider10]

which is also explains why he is a bit softer with Spider-Man than he is say with Daredevil

[u/purpledreign → u/Fire_Otter]

Well, that too but also Matt's sanctimonious and judgey and acts morally superior while also loving the darkness and enjoying the violence. He fights crime to clean up the streets but also to let the devil out so it's self serving. But Peter's just a pure ball of genuine goodness fighting crime with 100% pure intentions and while truly morally superior, isn't self righteous and judgey about it.

[u/Sabretooth1100 → u/purpledreign]

Yeah Matt and Frank’s similar bloodlust makes Matt’s refusal to kill bother Frank more I think

[u/uptowndrunk7 → u/Sabretooth1100]

Also one of them is just a kid

[u/Ecomonist → u/TheJoshider10]

Haven't cried in a theater in forever, but the guilt in Frank's face when he wakes from his hospital nap... freakin' waterworks over here.

[u/HairAncient5500 → u/Ecomonist]

It probably came from a real place of pain from Jon Bernthal because his character was napping and Jon famously hates naps

[u/FriendlyDecoy_ → u/lyndsayj]

I love when they keep bickering about Staten Island and add more extra, absurd details each time. Like why was there a bag of rice??

[u/Imathirdwheel → u/FriendlyDecoy_]

Question lingers, what DID happen in Staten Island?

[u/UnsolvedParadox → u/Imathirdwheel]

Would be cool to see that as an extra for home release.

[u/darthfracas → u/UnsolvedParadox]

Honestly, kinda love it as the new Budapest. Let your imagination run wild with the few details that are in the movies.

[u/CruzAderjc → u/lyndsayj]

Frank, we’re going to need proceeds to name a lot of super technological stuff

Yeah, I got all that shit.

Why do you have that?

Bombs.

[u/chronistus → u/CruzAderjc]

And the fact that MJ also clocked that sent me.

[u/Poked_salad → u/chronistus]

Love that Frank knew why Peter likes her and that was before she mentioned the bombs

[u/Arielrbr → u/lyndsayj]

Also their relationship did not felt like a mentorship or father/son bond.Peter may be younger but is already mature and level-headed enough to be his own man and even to call him out sometimes

They are job buddies and Frank just happens to be older and a bit more experienced.He doesn’t necessarily needs to teach Peter anything new about it but he can always advice a thing or two about life stuff (and as well learn some stuff back too)

[u/rebornfacedancer → u/Arielrbr]

Yeah and he respects the fuck out of Peter at the end. Great friendship honestly.

[u/russketeer34 → u/rebornfacedancer]

Frank can clock people really well. By the end, he definitely sees the type of person and hero Pete is and accepts that he's not trying to hide anything (but his face). I think Frank can really appreciate people who are true to themselves, unlike Matt who's constantly fighting battles within himself.

[u/bokmcdok → u/Arielrbr]

Honestly, Peter seems to be trying to keep Frank out of trouble more than the other way around.

[u/pkkthetigerr → u/bokmcdok]

Yeah "hulks a little above your pay grade Frank"

I loved confident spidey no mr castle bs

[u/Neamow → u/pkkthetigerr]

And the only thing Frank could think of was just needing a bigger gun lol.

[u/Galiphile → u/lyndsayj]

Punisher and MJ had a few great back-and-forths as well. I really enjoyed their scenes.

[u/lawrensaw]

When X-Men got announced a lot of people were like "but superpowered people already exist in the MCU so why would people be afraid of them?".

I guess this movie answers that need as well.

[u/sable-king → u/lawrensaw]

A lot of people overlook the fact that a lot of the fear of mutants is due to the widespread propaganda about mutants becoming so common that they’ll one day replace humanity. It’s the evolution angle that makes those people afraid of people who are born with powers and not people who got powers through external circumstances like Spidey and Cap.

[u/csqur]

I liked how they gave Frank a personality outside of his PTSD but as soon as his family came up he snapped right back to it. Sassy Frank during the vault scene was a nice touch.

I really appreciate how they didn't just instantly undo the end of No Way Home. 

[u/FriendlyDecoy_ → u/csqur]

I love the first thing Jean says when she mind-controls Frank.

“Whoa.”

“This guy’s got issues.”

[u/Howzieky → u/FriendlyDecoy_]

While looking around too like "damn you live like this?"

[u/Aggravating-Reach473 → u/csqur]

that's what I appreciate about this movie.

neat! they really have jean gray in this.

wait, what was her power again?

shit, they're just gonna have her return MJ and Ned's memories of him as thanks, at the end of the movie aren't they?

then it's hammered to us in 2 separate instance that that's not going to happen, first in the rooftop, and second in Frank's hideout.

[u/popiconmel → u/Aggravating-Reach473]

Oh, I didn't think of this. I thought Ned was just able to break the curse because he seemed to have some sorcery skills.

[u/Forizen → u/popiconmel]

Muscle memory is all it was with the handshake right?

[u/Dependent_Figure_954]

I think Sadie deserves all of the flowers for her Jean portrayal, very excited to see her future in the MCU.
And please Kevin Feige/Amy Pascal, don’t just forget about these relationships Peter created with The Punisher and Jean Grey in this movie, I need to see them together in future movies too 🙏🙏

[u/jahnybravo → u/Dependent_Figure_954]

For real. The way Spidey got through to Jean in the end really makes you see why Spidey is the only non-mutant to ever teach a class at the X-men school. 

[u/Namba_Taern → u/jahnybravo]

I'd love for that be the endgame of Tom's Spider-Man. A few more films where he passes the torch to Miles. A few X-men films, and a cameo of Peter webbing a students phone away becuase they weren't paying attention in class.

[u/CruzAderjc]

I feel like no one is talking about this.

But how fucking funny was it when Spider-man lost control of his powers, and when he was uncontrollably webslinging, he actually punched a bird. And he’s like “i’m sorry, i’m sorry!” And the punched bird was just stuck on him and we see it in first person and he’s just trying to get this punched bird off of him while flailing around swinging.

I was fucking dying from laughing.

[u/Professional_Rate718 → u/CruzAderjc]

I think it's an Insomniac reference too. Because in that, you had to swing around catching pigeons and flying through smoke, which is what he did at the same time.

[u/samhouse09]

I haven't seen it mentioned, but at the end of the movie, Jean is headed to upstate New York! The X-Mansion is in Westchester!!!

This movie was so fun, entertaining, pulled at my heart strings a little, and really built a New York city centric universe that felt more real, and lived in. Fantastic movie. Loved it!

[u/RLZT → u/samhouse09]

I don't know shit about the New York geography outside the fact that Manhattan is an island, but those trees gave the vibe lol

[u/Hawkeye7310]

Trammell Tillman is SO good at playing manipulators. I couldn’t unsee Mr. Milchick while Metzger had Jean captive.

[u/aerojovi83 → u/Hawkeye7310]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9DUDLDnPZlkoDwVtOd

[u/AlpineSummit]

One very subtle thing- I loved that Jean took Sara’s green and yellow hair band with her. Those colors are Jean’s original costume colors as Marvel Girl.

I hope we get to see her like that instead of as Phoenix.

[u/Lacazeng → u/AlpineSummit]

My dumbass was like omg that’s rogues colors hahaha

[u/AntonioVargas → u/[deleted]]

The Phoenix force has already been the focus of not one but TWO commercially disastrous and critically panned X-Men films.

We’ll get another one within six years.

[u/BrockThrowaway]

They killed it. Deserves the hype.

Spidey swinging scenes were amazing. Fights were incredible. Destin Daniel Cretton just solidified himself as a critical director for Marvel Studios, if he hadn’t already.

Jon Bernthal added so much to this movie, I’m really glad they let his character shine here. I was surprised at how much he was in it, to be honest.

For being so long the movie never really dragged. Great use of Hulk without overdoing it.

Zendaya got a really good showcase here. I predicted that twist but the theatre collectively gasped.

Sadie Sink was great if a little under-utilized. Very excited for her future here. And the Florence Pugh role was perfect. My god Tom Holland is jacked…?

I loved it, going to go see it again next week.

[u/Alabrandon → u/BrockThrowaway]

A Black Widow and a Spider-Man bathing together..

[u/Jaikarr → u/Alabrandon]

Lucky he came out of it alive.

[u/sable-king → u/Alabrandon]

While said black widow teases him about raunchy fanart of him she’s seen online.

[u/Livid_Weather → u/BrockThrowaway]

They better hold on to DDC. Everything the guy does is great

[u/jxher123 → u/Livid_Weather]

He's such a good director, don't overwork him, but he should be someone Marvel goes to when they want a fantastic movie. How he shoots action scenes, how he directs the characters, he just understood Peter Parker and Spiderman.

[u/greenroom628 → u/Livid_Weather]

I'm glad they have him locked in for Shang-Chi 2

[u/SWPrequelFan81566 → u/Livid_Weather]

there is no one who understands the ethos of the Marvel Universe better than he does. I can't think of another director that has matched "the world outside your window" style and quality quite like him. He's just so fucking good at telling human stories.

[u/pnjtony → u/BrockThrowaway]

Let's talk about how jacked he was because that stood out to me. I feel like he'd bulked up during The Odessy and they added that line about the protein powder in his apartment to address it. He was visibly leaner during the swinging shots when it was a digital character, but when he's just walking through a building in the suit, he was much bulkier.

[u/Squirrelkid11 → u/[deleted]]

I'm surprised how antagonistic they've made Jean in this movie. This version of Jean is probably the edgiest version of the character to date not counting Dark Phoenix.

[u/skyeguye → u/Squirrelkid11]

Which is great, because the other dark pheonix arcs have seeming come out of nowhere - it’s important to put enough edge into the character to make the heel turn feel earned.

[u/Squirrelkid11 → u/skyeguye]

I was skeptical at first of Jean being an antagonist and especially in a Spider-Man film, it felt out of place and a weird decision at first. But the movie executed it very well and her reasons for becoming an antagonist by keeping her background as a character intact and redeeming her rather than just making her a stereotypical pure evil villain Spider-Man has to face. Glad she didn't get the Jumba in the Lilo & Stitch live action remake treatment which is her being stripped of her good qualities and making her just a villain with no redemption.

[u/KoalaKole]

I loved it. Really enjoyed that him and MJ had a decent resolution without getting back together. She presents a logical argument and lets him down as gently as a situation like that could be. And he accepts it, and lets her go. It was well done, and left the door open for them to have a relationship going forward, whatever that entails.

And he gets Ned back. Right? I assume because Ned has latent magic ability, that contributed to him breaking the spell when the handshake happened. He definitely looked to me like he suddenly remembered his friend.

[u/jdylopa2 → u/KoalaKole]

Kind of reminds me of Quill/Gamora in Guardians 3, and I like how they continue to avoid the “let’s handwave a very important prior character choice so the hero can get the girl in the end” trope.

[u/Aggravating-Mix2094 → u/jdylopa2]

I was thinking it had a very guardians 3 vibe by committing to the changes made to characters and not undoing painful consequences for the sake of characters having a happy ending

[u/skyeguye → u/KoalaKole]

It would have felt cheap to have them back together so soon - but leaving the door open with that smile at then end was enough hope to end it on.

[u/yitzike → u/skyeguye]

The two of them making Lego and MJ clocking "you two seem like you're best friends" was great.

[u/hooka_pooka → u/KoalaKole]

Also a very decent and mature thing that Peter does is reveal to MJ that Jean mind controlled her into kissing him without her consent..a very important social message

[u/ShittyDBZGuitarRiffs → u/hooka_pooka]

which is what leads him to realize the DC dude was lying about why Jean said her sisters name

[u/hemareddit → u/KoalaKole]

I think the spell just doesn't care about muscle memory (it's not like the muscles/nervous system knows its reacting to "Peter Parker", it's just a series of movements).

In any case Ned becoming his best friend again is, by the nature of friendships, a lot easier. Being a lover is different.

[u/Aqua_Tot → u/hemareddit]

I thought it was really cool how she was like “look, I don’t know you, I don’t love you… but if you want to like, just hang out and chill, maybe we could become friends again. Let’s start there.”

Such a good way to handle that situation from all parties, I’m glad it’s not another Star Lord / Gamora situation.

[u/AVR350]

It feels surreal to see a Spider-Man that also has The Punisher, The Hulk, Yelena and Jean Grey

[u/sillysocks34 → u/AVR350]

And even better, do that without feeling overstuffed.

[u/AVR350 → u/sillysocks34]

Exactly...every interaction felt natural, didn't feel overstuffed at all, if anything i wanted to see more from characters like Tombstone and Boomerang

[u/AllCity_King]

Felt like prime phase 1/2 with how well they built up the universe and planted the seeds for future movies, especially the upcoming mutant epidemic.

Spidey created the first inhibitor which will subjugate mutants all over the world

Banner will have a rocky relationship with the X Men going forward, as one of their founding members just ruined his reputation.

Peter and Jean’s mutations evolved over the course of the film, which will happen to several X Men characters

Damage Control will most likely become stronger and the face of anti-mutant propaganda due to Jean’s actions

And so on. Such a great foundational film for the universe while also just being a damn good film.

[u/Livid_Weather → u/AllCity_King]

That first comment is dead on. This is the first marvel movie in a while for me where it felt like they were living in the MCU but the universe wasn't forced. 

[u/Victory33 → u/AllCity_King]

I’ve been wondering how they are gonna handle the main X-Men storyline of mutants being viewed as bad when superheros have saved the world like 10x at this point and Avengers are well regarded…the difference between a mutant and a God, Radiation survivor, Super Solider, advanced tech hero, alien, etc. is very blurry. It seems the mutations that keep changing, and not controlled, could be the sticking point.

[u/AllCity_King → u/Victory33]

Jean certainly hasn’t given them a great start

[u/7screws → u/AllCity_King]

Exactly. Between her actions and some propaganda by damage control and some wacko politician it’s easy to sway public opinion. Hell even the avengers (or some of them) were on the run because they refused to sign the agreements

[u/Mrwright96 → u/7screws]

Calling it now, “enhanced” is the official term, but that Politician(most likely Kelly) will be the first to call them “mutants” as a slur.

[u/Hedgewitch250 → u/Victory33]

Propaganda will likely push it. You know the heroes but now you have random mutations manifesting in kids. Anyone crappy would jump on villainizing that to push their agenda. We already see how the DODC handled other people with powers and wonder man said their more about detaining as many powered individuals as they can to justify taxpayer money. People are easy to manipulate when you give them something to hate

[u/SniperGuy42]

That blonde girl that was talking to Peter in the apartment made me wonder if they were gonna stick Gwen Stacey in for a second

[u/_KLRB → u/SniperGuy42]

There were so many hints at little things, it really felt like the writers had their eye on the fan theories and really played into it.

Gwen Stacey in the apartment The little kid/Miles Morales allusion Hulk remembering Peter Parker MJ potential death whilst falling off the roof

[u/itsyagirlrey → u/_KLRB]

Did anyone else notice the Cindy Moon easter egg in Banner's class?

[u/ClaytonWest74 → u/itsyagirlrey]

bro deadass called her Cindy and I didn’t even clock it as a Cindy Moon reference

[u/Jammes2305]

If you told me 10-12 years ago, that we will get a fight scene featuring Hulk/Spiderman/Punisher with Jean Grey there too, I wouldn’t believe it… felt like every era of the MCU together

[u/SpiderCam27]

Frank was hilarious in this movie. I loved the part when he tried helping Spidey fight the Hulk but realized he ain’t built for this.

[u/ChelseaAndrew87 → u/SpiderCam27]

His grunting in the hospital while waving as Spiderman really got me

[u/uptowndrunk7 → u/ChelseaAndrew87]

I love how they kept the essence of the Netflix character while still balancing it for a more light-hearted movie. And the fact that his family (the actress in the photos still being the original one) and his guilt is mentioned says a lot about how much they respect the iteration.

Even in his own show he was a wisecracker sometimes so I personally didn't mind him being the comic relief sometimes in the movie

[u/vanKessZak → u/uptowndrunk7]

For sure! And I feel like they did a good job explaining who he was for the people who haven’t seen those shows. Like I don’t think anyone would be confused. Since there’s certainly going to be a lot of kids seeing this who are way too young for Daredevil/The Punisher

[u/Entire_Paramedic_389 → u/SpiderCam27]

"I should've brought a bigger gun"

"What are you gonna do? tickle him to death?" Spidey to Frank

[u/SpiderCam27 → u/Entire_Paramedic_389]

“You contain it, I find the source and take it down. You got it?”

“Are you just trying to get out of fighting the Hulk?”

“I guess so.”

[u/grannygumjobs23 → u/SpiderCam27]

The fact that the punisher even attempted to fight the hulk shows how ride or die for spidey he is

[u/flibber_deez_gibbets → u/grannygumjobs23]

that shot of Spidey pulling him along the floor as he's shooting at the Hulk jumping over them... fuck I love comics

[u/seclusionx → u/flibber_deez_gibbets]

Punisher was absolutely doing 0 damage, but that shit looked so fucking cool.

[u/QHN1712normalguy]

He's sad. He's depressed. He's lonely. That's my Spidey!

[u/That_Indian_Pride]

Did anyone else notice the somber look on Hulk’s face when Peter says he’s his friend? I feel like that’s tying into the “hulk knows Peter but banner forgot”

[u/hemareddit → u/That_Indian_Pride]

That imagery of Hulk being pulled down by the wreckage of his own rampage...that's a visual metaphor for the whole character.

[u/SkimGaming → u/hemareddit]

well, it goes even further because he's purposely letting go after seeing himself and realizing what he is at that moment.

It's probably the most chracter development we've gotten from Hulk yet.

[u/falconfoxbear → u/[deleted]]

Except I don't think (non-prof) Hulk ever met Spider-Man in the MCU.

[u/justafanboy1010 → u/That_Indian_Pride]

I hope Banner/Hulk is gonna be okay after this 🥹

[u/fragileallstar]

casting sadie sink will go down as one of the best decisions as she could easily lead the post-secret wars MCU with the x-men

[u/PurePerfection_ → u/fragileallstar]

I just hope they find someone worthy to be her Cyclops

[u/SwissForeignPolicy → u/PurePerfection_]

I just hope they recast Logan before they meet.

[u/pardyball → u/SwissForeignPolicy]

One of my first immediate thoughts. I don't need ~60 year old Hugh Jackman looking at another super young Jean Grey.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/fragileallstar]

Also, much like how Cumberbatch just looks like Doctor Strange, she just looks like Jean. Like if Jean walked off of a comic book page.

[u/AriaoftheSol]

You ain't slick, Director Destin Daniel Cretton. I saw that Naruto poster on Ned's wall. /j

[u/Nachttalk → u/AriaoftheSol]

That Poster was foreshadowing how Peter would win the conflict by just talking it out, just like Naruto did so many times lol

(yes, I know about the directors upcoming project)

[u/_KLRB]

"WHERE IS V-MAX?!" me buying Pokémon cards

[u/matt2313 → u/_KLRB]

Jean was actually just looking for all the cards Damage Control have been scalping, completely justified behaviour imo

[u/DracoMoriaty]

Small deal, but I watched this in a Vietnamese theater, and everyone was audibly joyful when they mentioned having ordered bánh mì.

[u/Western_Scholar_6479]

Some people say there wasn’t a big bad villain but I really enjoyed Spiderman vs The Male Loneliness Epidemic

[u/frezz → u/Western_Scholar_6479]

I really like they didn't have a big bad. My biggest criticism of the MCU is how tired the formula had become. This doesn't completely abandon that formula but injects enough energy into it so it feels unique and different

[u/spreerod1538]

Let's talk about the post credit scene. Do we think this is him on Battleworld... or another spider-man from a different universe coming?

[u/your_mind_aches → u/spreerod1538]

The trailer for Doomsday shows a three-world incursion: assumedly 199999 aka "616" (MCU), 828 (First Steps universe), and 10005 (X-Men universe).

Maybe there's actually the Raimiverse in there somewhere? Or Peter-2 is coming on the Fantastic Four ship or something.

[u/fltsnflf]

Can’t believe I just saw Peter at a bath house with only his spidey mask on

[u/GoodShark → u/fltsnflf]

It was hilarious when he started to make his feet float.

We've all done it. Makes you feel like a kid.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/fltsnflf]

That was so damn funny, but also very comics-esque

[u/JtheIrishNerd4]

Both a brilliant Spider-Man movie and a brilliant MCU movie. It finally gave us a Tom Holland street level film with smaller stakes.

I thought that was the best the web swinging has ever seen/felt - it really made me feel like I was there in the moment. I also thought it was the best the action scenes have been in a Spidey film - they might not have been big battles against a super villain but the way they were choreographed and filmed brought them up a level.

Jon Bernthal stole the show, finally felt like my Punisher stock has paid off after 10 years and now a much wider audience will see that he's one of the best cast characters Marvel has right now. Every scene with him was golden. Hulk scene was awesome too. Have to shout out Tom Holland and Zendaya, thought that was the best that both have been in a Spidey film, and Sadie Sink was brilliant too.

There's honestly too much to talk about with this movie, but I loved it and for me it's probably one of the best post-Endgame films and one of the better Spider-Man movies, 9/10

[u/NikkoE82 → u/[deleted]]

The expansion of her powers fits with trauma triggering mutant powers and often in dangerous ways.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/NikkoE82]

Yup. They literally tortured her into expressing her power. They've started off well with how mutants are handled here between this, Ms. Marvel, Wonder Man, and Wakanda Forever.

[u/JackFisherBooks → u/NikkoE82]

True. The same thing happened in the comics. Initially, she only had telekinesis. It wasn't until later (and with additional stress/trauma) that her telepathy emerged. In other universes, it's flipped (telepathy and then TK). This movie captured that dynamic perfectly.

[u/FalenAlter → u/[deleted]]

The ending feels like Peter and MJ can get a fresh start, which actually really works well for their maturing. It's one thing to see a high school romance continue and another to see two people mostly grown into adults fall in love.

I love having the visual of how her powers are growing. It shows it in the usual way ("getting more angry") and a scientific way (her brain is rewiring itself and learning to activate multiple pathways at once).

[u/UnGoddamnCharted]

This one really tugs at the heartstrings several times throughout the movie in ways that the previous MCU Spidey movies failed to do. MJ confronting Peter about the letter, Jean and Peter having a heart to heart, and Frank at the hospital. There's just so much heart.

I even got kinda emotional during the swinging sequence early on in the movie, which might be the most exhilarating web-swinging ever put on screen.

[u/ArtrianGold]

Most comments have already gushed on the excellent fight scenes, the Punisher, Jean, Ned, MJ and the plot, but I also want to point out how refreshing Detective Dewolf is for Peter. She's like a maternal guardian for him, with their calls and banter, like a parent and child but also as colleagues, compared to No Way Home where Peter os often treated as a criminal. Those talks with Dewolf on having Spider-Man take a break and rest is a really great direction, and I'm looking forward to more Dewolf in the future.

[u/poserbunny]

The scene of him pulling Frank with one web and hulk with another over/under each other was a dream.

[u/lan-san]

Ned’s face lighting up as he says “Peter” and Peter himself looking like he’s about to cry in joy at the end might be the second most uplifted I’ve ever felt at a Marvel movie (the first being Rocket whooping in Vol 3)

[u/skyeguye → u/lan-san]

100%. And (like the Rocket scene) the music helped so much. In the beginning of the movie, you have the same soft instrumentation as the end, and it plays the Home Spider-Man theme- but the middle half of the theme (the high notes) are cut off. But when he approaches Ned, it starts the same way and then, when they start doing the handshake you hear the full, original theme song and it’s so satisfying - like the uplift has returned to complete what was broken.

Check out the tracks “Web Letter Days” and “Better Off Ned” to see it.

[u/MeteorSwarmGallifrey]

Very good movie. Pleasantly surprised by Yelena's appearance, and Frank was surprisingly heavily involved in the story. I assumed he'd be a brief appearance, but he actually stuck around, and I really like that they had a relationship pre-movie.

I really like how the movie didn't try to fan service anything. The story just kept moving, and didn't make a big deal of the fact that we had Spider-Man, Jean Grey, The Punisher, and the Hulk all in one fight scene at one point. Just peak comic book madness, but each character knew their own limits. Frank being genuinely terrified when the real Hulk turned up was great.

Long term, this feels like they have set up the anti-mutant arc for future X-Men movies if/when Peter's tech gets picked up and used to nullify mutants.

[u/cluelessemoji]

Even after Death May is the Answer! That scene broke me on both viewings.

Super sold on Jean Grey. The future is bright with Mutant Saga. DoDC could definitely be their version of FoH.

Ridiculous action sequence? Yes! Web slinging camera angles? Yes! Want a detailed pristine look on the spidey suit? 100x Yes!

Even Spidey’s friendship with Frank and Yelena, was a highlight.

Very well written, Very well directed. Huge props to Destin and his crew.

Finally Marvel Studio logo Montage is back!

[u/Ditomo]

I hope DDC sticks around for 5 and 6. He just gets it.

Also, I said this in another comment, but the main-on-end credits was absolutely spectacular to watch.

[u/Livid_Weather → u/Ditomo]

Would love to see him finish this series. I doubt anyone could do it better 

[u/FPG_Matthew]

Saw it last night! It was quite a fun web slinging time.

Loved just getting to see Spidey swing through New York. Lots of new camera angles with that that I appreciated.

It’s actually kinda wild how much Tom Holland’s face is hidden in this movie. He’s under the mask for a good portion of it! If it was him in the suit for those non action scenes, he does a great job acting with his body

Man, Punisher was just the best in this movie. They really made him work for PG-13. I imagine lots of kids going home wanting to watch/know more lmao

I hope Spider Man 5 has Daredevil in a similar sized role. I so badly want that for Charlie Cox. It’d be a dream come true

I can definitely see where Rosario Dawson’s Night Nurse scene was cut. I think they should’ve left her scene in.

Yelena was hilarious as always. One heck of an office she has!

Sadie Sink as Jean Grey was of course obvious, and yet I still loved it. Her and Peter as a team in future movies could be EPIC! Throughout the end of this movie, she was definitely getting in my feels. Her character is so strong, her powers went through the theater screen haha. Her scene with May was especially touching. Cant wait to see her (likely) lead an X Men movie!

The rooftop scene with Peter and MJ gave me chills. Might be my favorite scene along with Jean’s end scene

Wish there was a better mid credit scene to tease what’s to come in doomsday!

[u/MHPengwingz → u/FPG_Matthew]

The May scene and her conversation with Peter felt like a handing off the baton in a way, like girl you gonna be the young face of MCU now, it's gonna be fine, and people are going to love you. 

[u/great-teacher-ad]

Great, now Bruce Banner thinks that Ned Leeds is Spider-Man!

[u/DidYouJustSmellMe]

Destin Daniel Cretton has been posting a bunch of behind the scenes highlighting the different departments and people working on the movie on Instagram and the passion they all have for it really comes through in the movie. Amazing stunts, practical effects and actual filming locations. Creative web-swinging that had me itching to pick up my PlayStation controller.

No additional existing character was treated as a quick “cameo”, they all impacted and added cohesiveness to the universe. Sadie Sink was great as Jean Grey, especially the scene where she finds out what V-max is, can’t wait to see more of her. Would’ve loved to see more of the other villains who only briefly appeared, but I’m hoping they’re saving it for a sinister six movie down the line.

It’s a shame Sony is hogging Spider-Man, because after seeing his chemistry with the Punisher I’d die for him to show up in Daredevil or just anything else honestly, the more Spider-Man the better. Hopefully the inhibitor Peter made and “gave” Damage Control access to has some consequences explored in the upcoming X-men movie that forces them to include him.

[u/dj88masterchief]

I did not expect to cry so much.

MJ and Peter on the roof (fake out made me feel stupid), MJ find’s Peter’s note in Frank’s boat, MJ, Peter and Ned at their apartment, seeing Frank get emotional at the hospital, Aunt May talking with Jean in Peter’s head.

I think that was all of them?

Damn I was a mess.

[u/skyeguye → u/dj88masterchief]

Peter and Ned’s handshake at the end

[u/EzKaLang → u/dj88masterchief]

Don't forget Peter got shot by a sniper bullet and he moves like how aunt may did on no way home

Well that cried me a bit

[u/RoadDogg329]

I thought there were a few subtle but great nods to how the mechanics of webslinging would actually work (there was a brief reference to this in Homecoming and also the training in the forest scene in Into the Spider-Verse), like when Peter was one-handed swinging with MJ and you can see him roll his wrist and pull himself forward, instead of just "Spider-Man grabs invisible vine and swings." Was definitely impressed with the attention to detail.

[u/cormacaroni → u/RoadDogg329]

‘Web….stop. Web….stop’

[u/__ekalavya__]

It was perfect. Just perfect. They struck the right balance in all criteria. The suit was grounded but supported by tech. There was a rollercoaster of emotion, no excess jokes, decent break in between action scenes.

Jean Grey's introduction blew me away and the girl did fantastic acting. The connection between Jean and Peter was built nicely.

I think this is the way to go for Marvel - small scale crossovers (2-3 supporting characters). 1 large Avengers event in about 6-7 years.

[u/KingCodester111]

To get a Spider-Man movie featuring prominent characters like The Hulk, Punisher & Jean Grey was unbelievable a decade ago. And to tell a great S-M story while having several heroes & villains without feeling bloated is also a great achievement.

This movie was honestly so fucking good. The story expanded on the ending of NWH exceptionally without undoing the spell, it felt very comic bookie, the cinematography & action were great.

DDC was the perfect director for this movie and between this, Shang-Chi & Wonder-Man, he’s proven himself to be one of the best directors Marvel Studios has had.

[u/jxher123]

Jean: I have nobody in this world

Peter: You, you have me

This is why Peter is the GOAT, why Spiderman is the GOAT. He knows what she is going through, and for him to be her rock and for her to be his rock 😭

There wasn't a traditional villain or big-bad, but man, what a great character driven movie. A movie about Peter Parker and Spiderman, two faces of the same coin. Jean who is alone and trying to find a purpose, which leads Peter/Jean to be each others shoulder to lean on in a big world.

[u/MasterTolkien → u/jxher123]

Spidey saved Vulture. He saved all of the other Spider-verse villains. He saved Jean.

Only person he couldn’t save was that egomaniac Mysterio.

[u/Slyfox00]

I cannot stress this enough but absolutely fucking everyone came to this movie.

Normally movies are packed with their target attendee. If you tried to make me guess what this movie was based just on demographic data I couldn't do it.

Kids, Teens, Adults, Greybeards. Men, Women, every single skin color you can imagine. I saw costumed super mega nerds, clueless moms just happy to be there, excited but confused girlfriends, starry eyed couples, grandfathers sheepherding toddlers, gaggles of teens and 20 somethings, little boys and girls who were obviously at their first spiderman movie in theatre.

There was a teenage boy in a fucking Charlie Kirk sweater in the mass of waiting for the next showing which was also roughly 20% throngs of progressive looking stereotypes

People just really like Spiderman.

It was a great movie, loved the scope, this is what a Spiderman movies should be. Wish Marvel would move away from half baked cost managed CGI scenes. The non CGI scenes really carried the film.

[u/Icy_Smoke_733]

Just popping in to say that Endgame's opening record of $357 million is being dethroned as we speak.

Brand New Day is opening to $365 million domestically and around $925 million worldwide. A $1B opening is definitely within possibility. We are witnessing history on the r/boxoffice sub.

[u/Squirrelkid11 → u/Icy_Smoke_733]

Never thought Endgame's record would be beaten, but here we are. Spider-Man really is Marvel's Crown Jewel and in the end will always come on top. What's more impressive is that this doesn't include IMAX theatres since the Oddysey still has its exclusive run, and Spider-Man still made shit ton of money. Imagine how much more it would make if it had IMAX theatres too.

[u/hackrunner]

The movie was great. But I just want to take a moment to appreciate the experience.

I got to the movies and the parking lot was full. It's never full anymore.

There were people meeting and mingling with their friends in the lobby. Usually when I go, there's 1 or 2 people in line buying popcorn.

Every seat was full in the auditorium. But when the trailers stopped, everyone's attention was on the screen.

When the Jean Grey reveal happened, there were audible gasps, followed by hushed whispers all around.

People clapped at the end, and the lobby was full of people not ready to go home that just wanted to unpack what they just saw.

This was fun. And I miss this type of fun.