I, a (40f) mom of 3, have been running a small but steadily growing playgroup for about 3 years, since my oldest kid was 2. A bit of background: We are American expats who live in a foreign country that happens to be a desirable medium-to-long term destination for other traveling families or families looking to relocate to that particular country. The native language of the country isn’t English, and it’s difficult to learn, despite the fact that there is some level of basic English proficiency everywhere. Like us, most of the families who join us are homeschoolers or “worldschoolers” (families who travel together long term as a lifestyle), or families looking to relocate from their home countries to our city and are scouting it out. The families that join us find great relief in the meetups because it can be really hard to meet other native English speaking families abroad, and their kids basically get access to an instant pool of friends who share their language, for as long as they choose to stay there. Anybody can join the Facebook group and I’m very welcoming to new families. The playgroup is understood as being for kids 0 through about 6, though I’ve never set formal rules or an age limit. I’ve hosted the meetups twice a week, every week for 3 years. I’m not getting paid for it, and frequently spend my own money on craft supplies and activities for the kids. I started it, simply, because we were homeschoolers and I knew my kids needed friends.
A few months ago, a new family joined us. Charlotte (27f), has 3 kids, and her and her family had recently relocated to our city. They didn’t know anyone so like other families they were very glad to join and quickly started attending each meetup. Almost as quickly, her son (7m), let’s call him Jax, started getting into trouble. My eldest son, Drew (4 then, now 5) started to have run-ins with Jax. Now my son is a sweet kid, but like many almost 5 year olds, has big emotions and can be reactive especially if provoked. I started noticing Jax picking on Drew almost right away. Jax, by the way, is a smart, confident kid with a commanding personality, and I noticed the younger ones would kind of do what he said. He kind of has big CEO energy, if you know what I mean.
Well, Jax started telling the other kids to pick on Drew, and leave him out of games. Drew likes to collect rocks and flowers and make piles when he plays by himself. Jax came over and kicked over the piles. There was an incident where Drew was climbing a playground ladder, and another parent saw Jax try to push him off (he could have really been hurt) Jax randomly threw leaves in his face, tried to slug him a few times, and called him names. Drew, predictably, reacted strongly to getting picked on. He had a few meltdowns, went red with fury, and threw rocks in retaliation once. Eventually, Drew started to get anxious on the way to meetups. He’d ask if Jax was going to be there, and stay quiet when I said yes.
Before long, I started noticing grumbles among other parents, too. Jax kicked sand in a two year old’s face. Jax tackled another boy and made him fall down. One particularly bad meetup, a pair of friendly kittens was hanging around the park. Jax picked up a kitten and kicked it into a bush. He told the other kids to help him squish butterflies. One parent overheard him talking smack about her son, confronted him, only for Jax to smoothly lie to her face about what he was talking about.
Charlotte, his mom, seemed to be aware her son was misbehaving. She’d jokingly say things like “yeah, you don’t want my kid.” When another parent would tell her something he did, she’d go talk to him privately, then he’d run off again. In our group, it’s common for other parents to step in when there was a problem among kids, even if it’s not their kid (village justice/mediation), which I’m totally fine with. Charlotte had an issue with this, and asked me to tell the other parents to come directly to her when he did something bad because “Jax was scared of strangers” (this all happened within the first month or their arrival). Trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, I tried to accommodate her, but the end result was that he’d do something bad, me or the parent would try to get his mom, and Jax would run away. Btw Charlotte does also come to meetups with a 3 year old and a 1 year old, so she undoubtedly has her hands full.
After the kitten incident, a few parents came to me directly and we started to talk about Jax openly. One told me she’s got ‘spidey senses’ about Jax, and doesn’t want her daughter playing alone with him. Another said her son was becoming anxious on the way to meetups too. I started noticing that some of our regulars weren’t coming, and confirmed through another mom they were avoiding Jax.
By this time, I was so stressed out with the situation, (I was also 6 weeks postpartum with my 3rd) I decided to tell Charlotte she couldn’t bring him anymore. I called her, despite being a very non-confrontional person, and tried to explain it wasn’t working out. I was nervous on the call. I’ve never had to kick anyone out of anything before. I felt bad for her. She’d said multiple times how good the group had been for them and I knew I was about to separate kids in a new country from their new friends.
She didn’t take it well. She thought me asking them to leave was unfair, and seemed surprised when I listed the dossier of evidence against him. She argued that nobody had told her he did most of those things, so she didn’t have a chance to correct him. She accused me of criticizing her parenting, because I said Jax’s behavior wasn’t being managed properly. Which is true: If it were it my kid, and I knew him capable of pulling this shit, I’d follow him around every meetup and make him behave, and if he didn’t, I’d take him home.
In the end she asked for another shot, which I gave her because I felt bad. I asked her to take a break from the group for two weeks so things could cool down. When they returned, I texted her a list of rules Jax had to follow: basically all of the common sense no bullying stuff.
To my surprise, things were a lot better that week (two meetups). Jax seemed to be much better behaved and Charlotte, for her part, followed him around and intervened in minor incidents quickly. There are a couple of other kids who really like Jax and had fun playing with him. Even Drew, at the end of that second meetup seemed pleased: “Jax is nice to me now.” But, I still had the problem that the other kids and parents, myself included, were apprehensive about him and didn’t trust him.
I told Charlotte the following Sunday that I was willing to give him another shot, with a trial period. If Jax could behave as well as he did that week for the next 3 weeks (6 playgroup sessions), and the temperature of the group seemed relaxed and trustful towards him, he could stay, but that ultimately it still might not work out and if at the end things were still not feeling right, I reserved the right to ask him to leave permanently.
Charlotte got defensive again. She said her son played very nicely the past week and she didn’t want to subject him to an extended probation with no guarantees he’d have his friends at the end of it. She thought I was imposing special rules and scrutiny on him I wasn’t imposing on other boys, who also ‘have challenging moments’. She questioned my authority to put him on probation at all, saying she understood my role to just be that of ‘location coordinator’. (One of the things I do is pick the hangout spots every week) And the kicker: she told me they intend to keep coming “with the same expectations as everyone else”.
So, I kicked her out of the Facebook group and the associated WhatsApp group. I sent her a brief message to the effect of “it’s my group I can do whatever I want, bye,” And blocked her.
Mostly I think I was pretty generous to her and reasonable. There was clearly a problem and I had to do something about it, and was within my rights to kick her out of the group I started. But here’s where I might’ve been assholish:
Quite a few times when there was a problem with her kid at the group, I didn’t tell her, partly because I had my hands full with my own kids, and partly because I was resentful I had to follow her son around to make sure no one was getting bullied, while she sat with the little ones and chatted with other moms.
I could’ve been more mature after her last message, rather than booting her and calling it a day, especially since she’s got two younger kids who did nothing wrong and also benefitted from the group. But I was tired of the stress (I LITERALLY have a two month old), wary of having to be vigilant for the next 3 weeks, and pissed at her disrespect.
Maybe I could’ve gritted my teeth, sucked up the disrespect, and given Charlotte a “take it or leave it” last chance for the sake of Jax, who I recently learned was only half brother to the little ones, and who was recently separated from his real dad and moved to another country, and who did seem to have improved after I laid down the law.
So now Charlotte has to find a new place for her kids to socialize, in a place where I’ve built not the only (but probably the best) playgroup for homeschoolers in our little expat community. AITAH?
TLDR: A badly behaved 7-year old was ruining play for other children at my playgroup. I gave his mom chances to fix it. I set conditions for him to return permanently, which she disrespectfully rebuffed, so I kicked her out.