Man, it’s a meme!!! (Exaggerated for comical reason)

Why would some of you take it so fucking seriously?😂

Im an entp are there any intjs here that feel that their logic isnt going to serve them much more in life, like youve refined your philosophical views of life so much that youre probably better off just trying to chase more social goals because your logic isnt even a systematic process anymore its just what you do now?

Hello! I was wondering if there’s a go to foundational book that really captures the INTJ mindset. I’m looking to grow intellectually, develop my way of thinking, and become better at working in a team environment with my boyfriend but in order to do that I want to understand the fundamentals. I’ve decided to take a personal growth path in the relationship a little more seriously, so I thought I’d start here. I’d love to hear your recommendations!

there's alot of interesting posts that i follow to get back to later just to find them deleted.

i think mainly because of harsh and judging comments.

u can share ur openion but u don't have to be rude about it !!?.

think about it would u take the openion of someone who just look at the proplem through only negative look without acknowledging other persoectives or looking at the proplem as whole ? let alone being rude about it .

Disclaimer: This is mostly a thought experiment I've been entertaining lately about religion, social dynamics, and how people use shared beliefs to their advantage, not something I plan to do. I am also not trying to attack anyone for being religious, just sharing some thoughts I've had about religion and the social advantages that come with it.

So I was thinking how many INTX and ENTP types are more likely to be atheist or agnostic, and don't like following an organized religion, and I happen to be one of those people. But I was thinking how it could be theoretically beneficial to say you are religious and believe in god, even if you don't, just to connect with other religious people. After all, there are far more religious people than non-religious ones, and claiming to share someone's faith could be an easy way to connect with them, gain their trust, and make them like you more. I personally am an ENTP so it might just be my Fe speaking haha, so curious how INTJ feel about this

I have noticed a lot of self help influencers casually weaves religious statements into their stories about believing in god, trusting His plan, etc. and I was thinking how saying that probably makes religious people resonate with their content more than if they didn't say it. For example, I recently saw an influencer post a short about his life journey from poverty to wealth, and at the saying "god is good", like that probably encouraged more people to follow his journey. Not saying these people are faking being religious or exploiting it, but it is entirely possible that they could be emphasizing their belief for the clout, as it is to their benefit in this case. I'd also imagine religious followers might be more inclined to pay for access to the exclusive communities these influencers sell, especially if they feel a shared sense of identity and belonging from their stories. Catering to religious audiences also likely gives you an advantage because you already have some idea of what they want to hear.

Another story I came across was how my friend landed a job at a top tech company through a referral from their mom's friend that go to the same church. She ended up getting the offer with just one interview, during which the interviewer even said "well you didn't pass with flying colors, but you can learn on the job." That just made me think how going to church, especially in an area with rich people, is likely better than any number of networking event lol

Part of this mindset probably also comes from realizing how it is almost impossible to convince any religious person the faults of their religion or the fact their holy text was written by a human from 100 generations ago at the end of the day, so I think it's more practical to just use their beliefs to your advantage rather than spend effort making them understand. Sort of a "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality.

For context, I was born in a religious family so I was religious myself as a child, praying to specific god name and all, but as I grew older and developed my frontal lobe a a little more, stopped living in autopilot, and read more philosophy and religious debates, I just thought how stupid all this was and became agnostic. I can still easily understand people believing in god, since being an agnostic I partly believe there is a creator of sorts too, just not necessarily one who is omniscient or concerned about humans daily life, but I can't fathom following an organized religion anymore. And since then, for almost a decade now, I thought I would never want to do anything with religion, but now I am seeing the power it has over people which makes me wanna play pretend for when it could benefit me. At the same time, even playing pretend when I fundamentally disagree with it really irks me.

Another thing I have found absurd is how many people seem to follow religion simply because they are afraid of hell, which makes me even less inclined to label as part of the same crowd. However, even though I think it's stupid for people to believe that doing morally bad things will send them to hell, especially when our notions good and bad are ultimately constructs determined by humans, I'm still glad that people believe in hell or divine punishment, as it ultimately benefits everyone if they're afraid of doing bad things. I used to want people to make people realize that their religion is made up or at least question their religion, and realize that their beliefs are not as absolute as they think. But now, I'd actually be concerned if some of these people came to that realization and started thinking they could do whatever they wanted, no longer feeling shackled by their beliefs about hell and divine punishment. So, technically I am already benefiting from people being religious.

Looking back, I think I also had somewhat of a savior complex, believing that I needed to free people from being brainwashed into following a particular religion. But then again, a lot of people actually feel saved by their faith, so perhaps that brainwashing isn't necessarily a bad thing, at least from their perspective.

So I guess the irony is that I've gone from wanting people to stop believing in religion to realizing I might actually benefit more if they keep believing, and perhaps even let them think I do too. But where do you draw the line between being socially strategic and being manipulative or malicious? Would you ever pretend to believe in something or follow something you don't if it opened doors for you or worked to your advantage? Is this just Fe turning Machiavellian, or have any of you had similar thoughts?

TL;DR: Can just read the first 3 paras and the last para for the main gist. I'm agnostic and don't believe in organized religion, but I've started realizing how socially and professionally advantageous being religious can be. Would you ever pretend to share someone's religious beliefs to gain their trust or access opportunities, even if you fundamentally disagree with those beliefs? Is that just being strategic, or is it inherently manipulative, or does it not even work the way I think it does??

Since my previous posts were satirical—and not well-received by some—this text will be serious.

It is long, but dramatic.

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I want to ask you all seriously... does each of you have an internal struggle? It has often bothered me when someone claims to embody perfection, uniqueness, and flawlessness—

—as if they view the very existence of an internal struggle as a sign of weakness.

This makes me "see" that they might be hiding something deep inside,

something they are afraid others might discover.

It is as if they are lying to themselves and the world, pretending to be someone different, while looking down on those around them as inferior.

(Please understand that this irritation does not stem from arrogance, but rather from a long history of self-deception and distorting the truth.)

So...

Is the concept of "internal struggle" considered a weakness for an INTJ? As someone who shares this personality type, I often find myself asking this question—even though I constantly observe the opposite in reality.

Speaking of people who claim to be perfect and so forth: you often see them stoop to a low, backward level—viewing manipulation and exploitation, for instance, as signs of strength and control.

This undermines the very concepts of pride and the inner conscience for an INTJ (it ruins the elegance of this type, in my view).

Witnessing this confirms to me that the internal reality differs from the external one;

internally, things are often the exact opposite of what is shown outwardly.

If you are trying to prove your strength, it implies that, deep down, you view yourself as lacking strength.

If you are trying to prove your control, it implies that you see yourself as lacking control internally.

And so on.

When such a person sees a character in a cartoon, manga, or anime that shares their type, they immediately start imitating them.

In contrast, I look past the surface; I perceive the character's underlying motivation and the conflict hidden behind their identity—gleaning this from their words, actions, and tone of voice.

"That’s why I’m number 1 at..."

*Meh, shut your mouth; you’re annoying us.*

Anyway,

what do you think about this?

And does it have anything to do with the Enneagram?

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I feel a sense of emptiness.

That is why I feel alienated from what I just said.

Words are merely words.

Sounds are merely sounds.

There is no driving force.

Just finished reading it over the last few days. It’s got a pretty hefty introduction that does a great job priming the material. Pretty good variety of existentialist philosophy, while covering all of the basics. Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Sartre. It’s definitely not a light read though, forewarning lol.

I struggle to form deep relationships despite wanting them. Anyone relate? What helped you overcome it?

Just as the title says. Just wondering if this is the T in the INTJ part of my personality. And wonder if it is all worth it as I feel like I go round and round with doctors as I look at my 'normal' blood work but it is on the LOW end and just wonder why isn't their a protocol for people that aren't out of the 'range' but are either on the extreme low or high end of the range. Healthcare needs optimization for health and not profit.