I honestly don’t get how INTJs are supposed to be my “golden pair.” Every INTJ I’ve ever known has been a lonely, grumpy, massive stuck-up asshole who only cares about themselves and unironically seems to think they’re better than everyone else. It’s such a shame because I really enjoy them intellectually so much. I love their intelligence and independent way of thinking, but personality-wise, they’re my least favourite type.

I wish there were another type that had all of the INTJ traits I actually like, the calmness, organization, intelligence, but was also warm, sensitive, empathetic, and, you know, didn’t seem to fucking hate everyone for absolutely no fucking reason. Like, a feeling INTJ or something.

Disclaimer: This is mostly a thought experiment I've been entertaining lately about religion, social dynamics, and how people use shared beliefs to their advantage, not something I actually plan to do. I am also not trying to attack anyone for being religious, just sharing some thoughts I've had about religion and the social advantages that come with it.

So I was thinking how many ENTP and INTX are more likely to be atheist or agnostic, and don't like following an organized religion, and I happen to be one of those people. But I was thinking how ENTPs especially could think that it might be socially beneficial to say you are religious and believe in god, even if you don't, just to connect with other religious people. After all, there are far more religious people than non-religious ones, and claiming to share someone's faith could be an easy way to connect with them, gain their trust, and make them like you more. This is probably the Fe speaking haha

I have noticed a lot of self help influencers casually weaves religious statements into their stories about believing in god, trusting His plan, etc. and I was thinking how saying that probably makes religious people resonate with their content more than if they didn't say it. For example, I recently saw an influencer post a short about his life journey from poverty to wealth, and at the saying "god is good", like that probably encouraged more people to follow his journey. Not saying these people are faking being religious or exploiting it, but it is entirely possible that they could be emphasizing their belief for the clout, as it is to their benefit in this case. I'd also imagine religious followers might be more inclined to pay for access to the exclusive communities these influencers sell, especially if they feel a shared sense of identity and belonging from their stories. Catering to religious audiences also likely gives you an advantage because you already have some idea of what they want to hear.

Another story I came across was how my friend landed a job at a top tech company through a referral from their mom's friend that go to the same church. She ended up getting the offer with just one interview, during which the interviewer even said "well you didn't pass with flying colors, but you can learn on the job." That just made me think how going to church, especially in an area with rich people, is likely better than any number of networking event lol

Part of this mindset probably also comes from realizing how it is almost impossible to convince any religious person the faults of their religion or the fact their holy text was written by a human from 100 generations ago at the end of the day, so I think it's more practical to just use their beliefs to your advantage rather than spend effort making them understand. Sort of a "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality.

For context, I was born in a religious family so I was religious myself as a child, praying to specific god name and all, but as I grew older and developed my frontal lobe a a little more, stopped living in autopilot, and read more philosophy and religious debates, I just thought how stupid all this was and became agnostic. I can still easily understand people believing in god, since being an agnostic I partly believe there is a creator of sorts too, just not necessarily one who is omniscient or concerned about humans daily life, but I can't fathom following an organized religion anymore. And since then, for almost a decade now, I thought I would never want to do anything with religion, but now I am seeing the power it has over people which makes me wanna play pretend for when it could benefit me. At the same time, even playing pretend when I fundamentally disagree with it really irks me.

Another thing I have found absurd is how many people seem to follow religion simply because they are afraid of hell, which makes me even less inclined to label as part of the same crowd. However, even though I think it's stupid for people to believe that doing morally bad things will send them to hell, especially when our notions good and bad are ultimately constructs determined by humans, I'm still glad that people believe in hell or divine punishment etc., as it ultimately benefits everyone if they're afraid of doing bad things. I used to want people to make people realize that their religion is made up or at least question their religion, and realize that their beliefs are not as absolute as they think. But now, I'd actually be concerned if some of these people came to that realization and started thinking they could do whatever they wanted, no longer feeling shackled by their beliefs about hell and divine punishment. So, technically I am already benefiting from people being religious.

Looking back, I think I also had somewhat of a savior complex, believing that I needed to free people from being brainwashed into following a particular religion. But then again, a lot of people actually feel saved by their faith, so perhaps that brainwashing isn't necessarily a bad thing, at least from their perspective.

So I guess the irony is that I've gone from wanting people to stop believing in religion to realizing I might actually benefit more if they keep believing, and perhaps even let them think I do too. But where do you draw the line between being socially strategic and being manipulative or malicious? Would you ever pretend to believe in something or follow something you don't if it opened doors for you or worked to your advantage? Is this just Fe turning Machiavellian, or have any of you had similar thoughts?

TL;DR: I'm agnostic and don't believe in organized religion, but I've started realizing how socially and professionally advantageous being religious can be. Would you ever pretend to share someone's religious beliefs to gain their trust or access opportunities, even if you fundamentally disagree with those beliefs? Is that just being strategic, or is it inherently manipulative?

I do, after all, they are separate cognitive functions, not opposites. I can vent when I need to, because emotional intelligence works better for me than emotional repression, yet I can simultaneously publish well-grounded arguments. I usually delete my vents and keep only my arguments, since some people don't understand this separation and I could lose credibility.

The Big Five personality test understands this, whereas the MBTI is limited in this regard. People are not purely rational or emotional; they are both, and what varies is how this manifests.

Since an additional test was requested in the previous post, I took the Big Five test. The AI ​​told me the result is consistent with the INTP personality type from the MBTI.

Note: I'm not good with enneagram. I got high 7w8, but a higher 5w4

I took the test again, since many people questioned my type based on my posts. I really am an INTP; my individual variations still fall within that type.

I heard that eNtP 6w7 doesn’t exist and people always say if you get this your a mistyped eNtP. I have a character that disproves this though beat my argumen. Say hello to Edward Elric.

I mean beatches need drama and im.born to provide it

I posted about it yesterday. I know two confirmed ENTPs who immediately ended long time friendships over their close friends not caring about the genocide in Palestine. And I, also ENTP, cut a friend off when I learned they killed animals for fun. Like, it’s one thing if it’s for purposes like eating, but killing animals just for the sake of it is just psychopathic to me.

Is this a normal thing for ENTPs? Because from what I know we are supposed to lack a moral compass and be morally flexible. This makes me unsure whether I’m a thinker. Have you ever done something like this ?

This was a very interesting result. Had to take it twice, cause I forgot to save and hit back on something the first time and forgot to save. 😅😔

Took that 16 personality test and got ENFJ-A (don't feel the A), a while back. Took the other sarkinova test, also got ENFJ, recently.

So Yeah...I guess I'm here, maybe. Idk. Fun to find out anyway. 🤣 Sorry the pic is so tiny, was a long ass list.

What kind of music are you into? Genres, artists, and songs. Curious to see how similar/different we are and also collect some recommendations!

Just doing this out of my pure curiosity about what people will think of my family based on MBTI. You can assume freely or ask me anything I suppose.

i just asking to know for you wich mbti is the most like having no personality, stoic, nonchalant, feeling nothing even if they want do stuff they know they like it but they feel like ugh?

have nothing or just don't like to speak and reacting just to the outside when something attract they attention visualy example someone pretty they wanna be friend even if they personality is what i wrote in the top *

they are just nothing like 🌫️

To be very honest with you, I love ISFP’s more than the INFJ’s and ENFJ’s I know in my life.

Every time I see a ISFP, like I can’t help but love them even though they are literally doing nothing.

I love aesthetics so much, when I see a beautiful scene of nature for example, I just tend to stare, even some stars that are visible in an airplane, as a 19 year old, I’d still be filled with amazement like a kid.

Maybe it’s because of that? Their shyness is another thing. Why am I filled with so much compassion to them while they are the least compatible type to us?

I have been in situations time and time again where i have witnessed my friends or family approach situations in way that seem so...grounded. Mostly Fi users, they seem to have this unwavering set of values that they use to intuitively guide their decisions and their opinions. Though often times this may be viewed as an "inconvenience" to the typical Ti/Fe user when it comes to being logically or socially efficient, I have found that they seem to handle messy social and moral dilemmas with such grace and certainty, which I personally envy. For example, I have a group of friends that I love dearly. I obviously have my own compass and sense of right and wrong/fairness, but I am not immune to having my opinions, specifically on people, swayed by the group. This especially goes for situations involving people that are not easily solvable and are often "grey", involve moral dilemmas, feelings, differing beliefs, multiple parties being wrong, etc. Something that you cant really, fully use logic to figure out. Suddenly, my confidence in my own opinion shrinks, and I constantly look to my friends in order to validate whatever I'm feeling about a particular, grey situation, because I trust them and think that "surely if everyone thinks this person is wrong, they must be wrong". I almost get this imposter-like feeling, because I know these opinions aren't fully my own, but in all honesty, my compass is too weak and underdeveloped to be trusted, which is a bad thing. I feel like a neutral, blank slate sometimes that just projects the generally agreed upon opinion of the room if the situation is too messy and ambiguous to figure out myself, and often find myself leaning towards the most socially safe and least consequential opinion, which sometimes also leads me to being a fence-sitter. I sometimes just wish I had that strong moral compass and certainty that Fi users have in themselves and their own feelings on something.

Honestly, I am just curious to see if any other Entps or non-Fi users struggle with this. What have your experiences been like with this particular issue? Also, if any Fi users are reading this, what's like...the process that goes through your heads...or guts? I am genuinely curious.

(Ps. Yall Fi users are incredibly underrated, please keeping doing what you do ;))

I’m ENTP-T and my entire life I’ve found it hard to make or keep female friends. I do have a few individual female friends on their own (who sadly all live far away) but I have NEVER been an integral part of a female friend group. I’ve always been on the edge of the friend group, if anything.

Could it be that being ENTP is a bit of a jarring personality for a woman? I’m sure I’m not following some social rules 🙈

Anyone else struggle with this? It’s made me really sad at multiple points in my life.

In my absolute Catholic monarchy:

● Fashion would be based on beauty and modesty.

● Architecture would be based on beauty and integration with nature.

● Prostitution, pornography, sexual deviancy, and other forms of immorality would be illegal.

● Jobs requiring brute strength, leadership, and impartial judgment would be reserved for men.

● Medicine would focus on curing rather than merely treating symptoms, and homeopathy would once again be respected and commonplace.

● Food and materials would be natural; all chemical substances would undergo safety testing.

● Education would focus on practical skills and genuine knowledge, free from political activism.

● Women under the age of 35 would not participate in the workforce, allowing them to dedicate their childbearing years to raising a family.

● Families with three or more children would be exempt from taxation.

● Marriage would be the responsibility of the Church and the family, not the State.

● Laws regarding domestic violence and rape would be gender-neutral and require evidence.

● Divorce would only be permitted for just cause, with a fair division of assets.

● Immigration would be strictly controlled, prioritizing civilized nations.

● All government officials would be required to be Catholic.

● Social media would be prohibited for those under 15, and screen time would be limited to one hour a day for children aged 2 to 5; infants would not use technology.

● Strengthening of the police force, legal gun ownership, and the death penalty for heinous crimes.

● Catholicism would be the official state religion.

● Homeschooling would be legalized.

● Abortion would be classified as a heinous crime.

● Parents who attempt to abandon their children would be tracked down, forced to return, and penalized—all to strengthen the family unit.

● Crime would be punished severely; criminals would pay for their own upkeep by working while incarcerated.

● The activities of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Soros, and any globalist organizations would be banned in the country.

● Degenerate entertainment would be prohibited; blasphemy, the glorification of crime, and immorality would be illegal.

● Sustainable exploitation of natural resources would be permitted.

● All scientific, economic, and food production—as well as general production—would focus on decentralization; Big Food, Big Pharma, and other "Big" corporate entities would be banned from the country.

● Corruption would be a heinous crime.

● There would be no leftist presence in the government. ● Conspiring against or undermining the country's values ​​would be punishable by exile.

● There would be no generous welfare system; instead, there would be an abundance of job opportunities.

● Civics, patriotism, and honesty would be taught in schools.

● Asylum would be granted to Christian refugees persecuted for their faith.

● Mobile phones and other devices would feature AI to identify and block nudes and pornography.

● Schools would be environments of discipline and respect for authority.

● Other religions would be tolerated, provided they do not threaten public order.

● The age of criminal responsibility would be 16.

● Scientists would not be silenced when making discoveries that threaten industries.

● There would be no voting, as influencing the government is a skill, not a right.

● Legalization of non-exploitative work for children helping in their parents' businesses or on their property; legalization of mild corporal punishment to ensure children respect adults.

● An end to ugly art and a return to the glorification of the beautiful and the divine, etc.

But!… the reason i did it was because I thought that it would make the cat stronger (just like when my parents tortured me)

My stepdad literally has millions and could solve all my problems in an instant if he wanted to, but he chooses not to because he suffered himself and still believes that just because he had to struggle i should have to struggle too.

He always used to tell me that its easier to get from £50,000 to a million than it is to get from £0 to £50,000 (yet he managed to do exactly that)

In early drafts, my character was going to be an unhealthy ENTP who tormented others for fun—kind of like Megan from *Drake & Josh*. The dynamic worked like this: She was an only child whose parents, having struggled with fertility issues, spoiled her rotten. Competent, with elitist tastes and a cruel sense of humor, she befriended two bullies who saw her as useful, which paved the way for her to gain respect within the school hierarchy. She had a rival—who was also sometimes a friend—an ISFJ boy who was her favorite target. However, she actually liked him; knowing she wasn't his type, she tormented him to avoid the pain of rejection and simply because she enjoyed interacting with him, even if it was in a hostile way. She wouldn't let anyone else torment him, as she didn't want him suffering at the hands of bullies who genuinely hated him. She possessed redeeming qualities, such as feeling remorse when she crossed the line and being affectionate with her family. One day, the ISFJ found himself in grave danger; she saved his life and revealed her feelings—admitting she just hadn't shown them in the best way—and they ended up falling in love. It was revealed at the end that they got married, and the two bullies who had been her friends in school served as the groomsmen. Do you prefer this version of the character or the final one?

Sorry for the Google translation.

Every test I take gives me ENTP, and everyone who knows me tells me I’m very logical and pragmatic. I basically tick all the ENTP boxes. But I still struggle to see myself as a thinker because I feel like my personal values and emotional reactions can override logic when something crosses a certain line.

Just to give you an example: I had a friend who killed foxes and other wild animals as a hobby, completely unnecessarily. I couldn’t just rationalize it as “people have different interests” or separate my personal feelings from the situation. I found it evil and incompatible with my values, so I ended the friendship.

And that’s where I get confused about the whole T/F thing. I can be extremely detached and analytical when discussing ideas, arguments, or problems, but when something violates a principle I strongly care about, I can be very emotionally driven in the decisions I make. So I’m never sure whether that actually makes me a feeler, or whether I’m just a thinker who has strong personal values.

Maybe I’m just a rational pragmatic ENFP. Who knows.

I genuinely cannot commit to a single job, I get bored so easily. I keep switching or taking temp gigs. I’m starting a new part time job, and already bored of it and I haven’t even started, just did training. And the job that I’ve had for a year now, I wanna move on from but it would be the stupidest thing to do for my career and my current financial needs.

This combined with my constant need for the new + have many options + fomo for opportunities that come my way + overcommitment + borderline masochistic tendencies for having a lot of work + love to relax, hang with friends, do random things for the heck of it and take off days whenever I feel like it is really starting to become a problem…

I’m in college rn so it’s not as big of a deal to hop around but what about later in life? What if I get a good paying job that gives me what I want, but i just get bored again a few months or year in and expect to stay in it indefinitely?

Does anyone else have this problem?

I created a typing test that works based on what you resonate with, it gives you a feed of cards with statements, quotes, scenario, and you select only the ones you resonate with, this way the cognitive load is very low , also the feed adapt to funnel down your type, you just select what you think is related to you.

I tested with an INFP friend that I am 100% sure she is INFP and it worked very well, it found her type with confidence, but I need more data points to be sure, with people that are 100% sure of their type.

At the end of the test, in the result page, you will have a frame that ask you to share your result, with a simple button. It will send me the informations I need in my database, it gives me all the cards you selected, the timeline of the guess of your type, how the algorithm reacted, etc, it helps me to fine-tune the test.

I really feel that this method can work and be more accurate than anything that already exist.

Thank you in advance if you try it.

https://www.mazwiz.com/

PS: I will share the findings in a result page (on the intro page), for everybody to see how it evolves.