r/gaming • • 15h ago

WARDOGS | Season 02 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D2JTuaMczs
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u/Mysterious_Skin2310 15h ago

Season 2? Isn’t the game in early access?

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u/TehGuard 15h ago

Yes but it's designed this way with constant wipes, kinda like tarkov. Not a season pass like other shooters

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u/TheYellingMute 12h ago

Crazy how many people don't know about the wipes. I thought the devs made it very clear that's its a thing. Ill have to rewatch but it was in their "don't buy this game" warning video

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u/Mysterious_Field1517 12h ago

Please rewatch. You might find they named around 1 valid reason. Wipes haven't been included at all of course. It's just a minor thing really. 😆

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u/TheYellingMute 10h ago

Huh. Your absolutely right. I swear I heard a video of them saying there will be wipes. Was it the tutorial video in-game? Hmm maybe I hallucinated the video at this point

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u/Mysterious_Field1517 10h ago

there was a blink & you'll miss it single sentence in tutorial. sandwiched between sentence like thank you for buying and some such not related thing.

It was so nonspecific, that I thought wipe is a one time thing.

Tomorrow will be a very rough time for this game in public eye due to this avoidance to clarify.

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u/sd00ds 12h ago

I really think they should have mentioned it somewhere on the steam page/homepage of the game.

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u/ElMatasiete7 14h ago

So this means if I unlocked a Mosin Nagant, I'm gonna need to unlock it again?

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u/Super1MeatBoy 14h ago

Yep. That and everything else you unlocked, but they did say XP progression will be increased this season. No idea how much

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u/ElMatasiete7 14h ago

I'm kinda iffy on that cause it does kinda fuck up the people who can only dedicate weekends to gaming

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u/Motchan13 13h ago

Even if you play it regularly it's going to get tedious having to unlock stuff again and again and potentially never get to the upper tiers

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u/cubs223425 6h ago

Yet millions show up to CoD and prestige things a billion times every year. I don't think it'll chase off anyone who wasn't going to be a short-term player anyway.

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u/sadlygokarts 2h ago

Millions of people also level up once in CoD and never prestige and just enjoy the unlocked content. CoD doesn’t force you to restart every month.

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u/Motchan13 1h ago

Having to wait to start at a fresh wipe and then being happy to not play it at the next wipe, or have to restart the grind and then lose it all again is a different level of external restriction. People who want to play a game for a bit prefer to choose for themselves when they start and when they stop

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u/Chaos-Cortex 12h ago

Prob quit after this season like burn out and wipes. Will see

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u/Chaos-Cortex 11h ago

Look at the soy chuds downvoting because we won’t play it moving forward hahaha.

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u/ArkPlayer583 6h ago

The end game stuff is incredibly OP, people are welcoming the wipes because the start of the game when everyone has shit to mid gear without attack ships bombarding you is really fun.

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u/GuavaMonkey 13h ago

With the state the game got itself into in the last month, please believe me when I say it does the exact opposite. Game was basically unplayable for anyone who hadn't grinded like a full-time job, because the late game gear was so wildly better than everything else you were literally non-competitive. Some balance adjustments and a full wipe were very much required here to level the field again for a bit.

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u/ElMatasiete7 12h ago

I'm not sure. I certainly am not a pro Wardogs player, I don't even have access to level 3 helmets. But it pushed me to try other ways to make money, by sniping, ferrying, reviving, building. And in the end that stuff made a difference.

I'm not against wipes, but I'm also not totally for them either. Maybe a more creative solution is needed.

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u/cubs223425 6h ago

Maybe a more creative solution is needed.

They've already presented some of their plans for that, like the "betting on yourself" stuff that appears to perform in a match/life that's in progress and the RPG-style role things in progress.

They're definitely being more aggressive with balance, design, and short seasons right now because it's an Early Access game where they want to spend a couple of years letting the players define the final product. They've said 1.0 is expected to launch in about 2 years.

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u/ElMatasiete7 5h ago

For sure, for early access it's still very fun

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u/musicgeek420 9h ago

Hopefully more creative. I have fun piloting, playing recon, and trying to snipe all while defibbing whoever I can. But I don't want to be relegated to never playing infantry because it's a zero chance effort based on gear and unlocks alone. I would like a lot of permanent unlocks to get better and tailor my play style.

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u/WhenAmI 8h ago

I dunno, all that other stuff you mentioned kinda sucks. It feels like you have 2 options, try and fight with worse gear and use tactics to gain an advantage, or you can play base building simulator. I personally don't find any enjoyment driving shipments back and forth or hitting the structures other people have built(because there's no point in building myself, since I don't have access to the tier 3 buildings).

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u/ElMatasiete7 8h ago

That's fair, but I think there are other options in those cases (ARMA, other shooters)

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u/cubs223425 6h ago

The biggest problem on that was the leveling speed, and I feel like they've made that worse here. Now the endgame content (which only took a few days to arrive in S1) is going to come faster. Yes, casual players might get semi-caught up faster, but it means all of the endgame stuff is going to rule most lobbies even earlier, which I think is a net negative to solving the problem.

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u/Km_the_Frog 3h ago

“Please believe me”

I don’t believe you. I played almost every day for a couple hours during the last wipe, didn’t break level 20 in any class and still had fun.

No other game has the same level of varied and replayability in it. Despite having just 3 maps, every game I played was wildly different.

The amount of hyperbolic posts due to X player being killed by X gun or vehicle is insane. I’ve been in t4 kits and killed by tars and ak’s. It literally doesn’t matter, and honestly if it’s a problem then the game isn’t for you.

The single important problem, imo, is availability for air counter. Gepard is being added as a mobile AA weapon so I’m sure that will counteract a lot of heli domination around circles.

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u/Ok_Engineer9167 9h ago

Funny people say this... I got level 40 only-

I end every game top 10. I use the default SMG as a medic. Usually get around 20-30 kills and 30-40 revives...

How is that not being competitive? My buddy is almost max rank and uses the galil to get 50+ kills

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u/UndercoverSkreet 6h ago

Wardog level based on all roles, not just assault. You need to level driver and pilot too, that's why you're probably only 40

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u/cubs223425 6h ago

Only for the short-term. They've stated the plan is for longer seasons later on, so wipes won't be as frequent and you'll have more time to get the things you want and use them for an extended period.

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u/420BUNIT 14h ago

Idk if it's coming with this season, but they've mentioned they intend on creating a low level playlist for people to catch up in. But the wider issues will still be a problem because there's no way to make starter gear stronger/late game weaker and keep it interesting

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u/Chaos-Cortex 12h ago

BMR and 50cal is all I see in servers.

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u/HumbleGoatCS 14h ago

Thats okay, just ask someone to drop you something. I've bought plenty of helis, tanks, and guns for people

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u/ElMatasiete7 14h ago

South American servers are a little more... confrontational lol

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u/OUTFOXEM 4h ago

Join us up North. The ping ain’t bad.

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u/ElMatasiete7 4h ago

130-150 for me :(

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u/141-Ghost-141 10h ago

The wipes are only for the duration the game is in Early Access, which is supposed to end late next year/early next year as of now.

No idea what exactly the devs plans are once it comes out of EA, but at the very least there won’t be anymore wipes

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u/ElMatasiete7 9h ago

Gotcha, makes sense

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u/jdp111 9h ago

They didn't say that. They said they would like for there to be no wipes, but to not quote them on that.

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u/141-Ghost-141 9h ago

Last I saw on the discord they were rather set on ending them. Granted that was a few weeks ago, so it’s possible they walked back on that a bit.

Regardless, it’s fair to say there likely won’t be wipes once it comes out of EA.

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked 8h ago

Isn’t that what the goal is? To create psychological pressure to play the game

I’m not super familiar with the game, but I’m gonna guess it’s able to monetize that pressure

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u/Additional-Agent9737 7h ago

No the goal right now is to test the economy with the entire player base. It’s an early access game lmfao

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u/ElMatasiete7 7h ago

It's not monetized, the only things they're planning on monetizing are weapons skins if I'm correct

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u/musicgeek420 9h ago

Have they confirmed that after 1.0 release all of the basic guns will still be reset each season? Since it's early access, I was just hoping things that wiped throughout would likely change after release. There needs to be overall progress to keep season to season to feel accomplished and good about playing.

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u/Super1MeatBoy 5h ago

They're hoping to not do any more wipes after 1.0 but not 100% sure yet

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u/Chargers4L 14h ago

Did they say they were gonna increase xp progression? In the recap video I seen they said they had two options to close the gap between the 300 hour player and 10 hour player. Those two options were to increase speed so everyone gets endgame quicker or to slow the progression to keep everyone at the same level longer, and they chose the latter.

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u/Orphan-Slayer 14h ago

Patch notes that were released state they did lower the xp totals for each levels

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u/Super1MeatBoy 14h ago

Patch notes say 55% LESS XP required to reach level 20, while higher levels will take around 25% less XP to reach. Should be a good change overall and let players get decent gear much quicker without allowing everyone to hit the highest tier gear in the first week

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u/PancAshAsh 10h ago

That's definitely a positive change. The fact that you don't start with infantry AV or AA options is actually insane

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u/Chargers4L 12h ago

Good to know, that’s not what I took from the video I seen but I think I like it this way better anyways.

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u/GoodLunchHaveFries 14h ago

They absolutely did not choose the latter.

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u/Chargers4L 12h ago

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u/NorweiganJesus PC 11h ago

This was a hot topic since the release of the video, but you don’t need to quote that old news anymore now that the patch notes are out. They decreased XP required across the board

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u/Chargers4L 11h ago

Sorry not keeping up with wardogs hot topics, you do realize you aren’t even in the wardogs subreddit? So don’t expect that everybody has seen every bit of news that’s come out or every discussion that’s been had.

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u/NorweiganJesus PC 11h ago

Then don’t try and speak on subjects you know you’re wrong about? I didn’t even see I’d made an identical reply to like 4 people below this because you’re still talking about how “they lied”. And you’re still defending your old viewpoint with the same old drivel too.

Edit your comment or delete it if you’re so annoyed you’re being corrected.

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u/Ok_Engineer9167 9h ago

Usually people dont argue and double down when they aren't well-informed. You do realize that's all on you bud lol.

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u/Swaggerpro 14h ago

They’ve replied to people on twitter who’ve been asking and said that they sped up the progression for this season.

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u/Embarrassed_Fox_9352 13h ago

Sigh, here we go again with this. In the recap, they were talking about the Alpha and Beta tests. For the early access release, they chose the latter. NOT for Season 2. It's explained pretty well in the video and has been reiterated multiple times by the devs since launch.

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u/Chargers4L 12h ago

Not sure why you’re so butthurt, I’ve watched the one singular video where they talked about it. I don’t keep up with daily updates from bulkhead.

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u/Detonation 12h ago

Why do you feel the need to lie when it's easily proven to be so?

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u/Chargers4L 12h ago

https://youtu.be/J2VxjMnMDw4?t=288&is=tYm1B66C_LcAamsL

I’m not lying dipshit, they clearly changed the way they viewed it between 5 days ago and now if that’s the way they are going.

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u/Mysterious_Skin2310 15h ago

That I didn’t know. Ty

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u/Chrol18 9h ago

Tarkov has a permanent mode now, seasons are there too those wipe

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u/reboot-your-computer PC 13h ago

Yeah to be honest I’m not a huge fan of the resets because I don’t have a ton of time to play. I didn’t find out about wipes until after I bought it and played like 10 hours too. Might not have bought it had I known. If I had more time to play it wouldn’t be a big deal, but I just don’t.

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u/Embarrassed_Fox_9352 13h ago

The wipes are because they are still fine-tuning the progression and leveling. In the patch notes you will see that many of the gear and weapons have been switched around, either in level requirements or in the gameplay branch they belong to. Devs have said that after 1.0 they hope they won't need wipes anymore.

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u/reboot-your-computer PC 12h ago

Well I’ll probably still put the game down for a while and see what happens. I’m definitely not going to bother if wipes are a regular thing moving forward.

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u/Mysterious_Field1517 12h ago

They developed the entire mechanic of gold bars for wipes and also claimed they are point of the game.

How do you believe it will stop with 1.0?

They don't bother with basics like loadouts, but dedicate time for temporary BS solution to wipes?

Someone's naive or willingly misleading gamers?

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u/Boostie204 7h ago

You clearly haven't seen their reasoning for not having loadouts yet

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u/Local_Lingonberry851 13h ago

Leveling support makes me want to blow my brains out ngl

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u/shepanator 13h ago

They’ve said that the wipes are happening while they work on the progression system and that they’re tracking all xp to give back when the final system arrives

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u/TheRealDeathSheep 13h ago

The very first thing they do in the tutorial is tell you the game will wipe.

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u/ThinkingTanking 12h ago

Progression is twice as fast now. Check patch notes.

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u/Cruel2BEkind12 15h ago

I don't really understand wipes in the context of a game like this. Battlefield has never had wipes. Tarkov really only had wipes because they were in beta and changing tasks and structure for 1.0. Now tarkov doesn't even wipe in 1.0.

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u/Dwealdric 14h ago

They are also switching up metas on a per wipe basis, and working out balancing over time. It is EA after all.

Honestly, the meta switch is fun shit imo, and it gives them tons of options.

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u/flaxon_ 14h ago

The meta switch would be a whole lot more fun if the battle pass guns weren't hands down the best meta every single time.

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u/ACDC-1FAN 15h ago

The reasons you described as to why Tarkov did wipes is exactly why Wardogs does wipes.

They’re fundamentally changing the progression of the game while more systems come online and they get closer to their 1.0 vision.

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u/TehGuard 15h ago

The idea behind it is simple. Sometimes the journey is better than the destination. People strive to unlock things, being max level will make people permanently leave eventually. Also tarkov probably isn't a good example of not wiping anymore considering how many player it has lost due to horrible management.

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u/Cruel2BEkind12 15h ago

Not sure where you got that tarkovs playerbase is gone. They announced 1.0 and the steam release has had more players than it ever had before.

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u/DGSmith2 14h ago

Yeah this only works if there is still end game content, nobody wants to be grinding all the time.

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u/CombatMuffin 14h ago

I'll explain it: This isn't battlefield. 

They are trying to test the progression and economy. Unlike BF, there is a meta outside each match. You keep the money, and the progression you make isn't just to unlock weapons to enjoy like in BF. It affects how you xan support them team, and earn money to eventually invest outside the matches. That last part isn't in yet, but they are trying to calibrate with the intention to ease it in when implemented.

Part of the deal with seasons, is that each season is a new "race" which will have slight changes to the meta: you might unlock helicopters slower, or have cheaper artillery. The idea is to change the way the players interact through a season, and for the money to be invested in different ways each time, which makes it feel fresh.

A game like Battlefield might have a new season, which may or may not include a new map or temporary mode, but the game progression temains unchanged and so is the gameplay.

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u/devilishycleverchap 15h ago

Well there arent really games like this on the meta level

Sure it is like battlefield in that it has tanks and infantry combat in a modern war setting but beyond that it is very different

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u/ShadowCloud04 14h ago

I actually enjoy it in this when a lot of the game changing equipment and vehicles are locked behind high level. It gives a very dynamic tail to a season. The games will play completely differently day 1 of the wipe vs day 30. We saw this in season 1 as tactics completely changed week to week.

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u/Carlos_Danger21 15h ago

Tarkov still has the option to play with wipes.

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u/Cruel2BEkind12 15h ago

It's not forced though, its playing with a seasonal character or just doing the prestige system on permanent characters. and even with the prestige system you are allowed to bring stuff with you for your next start.

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u/Time_Zombie_4431 15h ago

Wipes completely killed any and all interest I had in this game. Grinding is fucking awful.

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u/JLEEHERO91 15h ago

skill issue

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u/Spartanias117 14h ago

No. Wipes are temporary

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u/Lady-Maya 15h ago

They basically said during the early seasons they are tweaking a bunch of mechanics around gameplay / progression.

So they have new seasons more often to have a “reset” to try these changes with a fresh slate each time.

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u/cuntpuncherexpress 15h ago

It is, that hasn’t stopped many other multiplayer games from doing seasons though

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u/echof0xtrot 8h ago

they use "season" and "release" intentionally in the hopes that some people who are averse to early access buys it

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u/LifeOfHi 15h ago

Path of Exile 2 has entered the chat

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u/Alastor3 12h ago

so? it's more completed/polish than some other games that come out in 1.0

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u/MPenten 14h ago

Early access is fake

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u/numerous_hotdogs 12h ago

We’ve reached peak monetization

Next up they’ll announce a battle pass for a preorder

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u/kaleebisnthere 6h ago

No, they won't. They explicitly said nothing in EA will be monetized. If it is, they straight up lied multiple times on official communications about this.

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u/Marston_vc 38m ago

I mean the EA itself is $40 lol

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u/Kindly-Bank-416 8h ago

yeah but they want money now

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u/beanlikescoffee 13h ago

Early access is just a term that companies love to use to deflect any blame for how broken the game is