Problem: Running low on binders 🥹

Context:
Asking for help since I’ve been struggling for so long to find good binders. I currently use 2, one for everyday, and one that’s really tight na ginagamit lang if poporma ng bongga

They’re both starting to give up on me eversince I started having onsite work, and I’ve been dreading to buy again kasi hirap ako makahanap ng well-suited. For context, I’m kinda big and my chest measures at 43 inches. So it’s a real adventure to look for one that binds well as in removes the unnecessary bump of boobs/removes the jiggle, doesn’t crush my ribs when I wear them for work, can fit both boobs ng hindi umaapaw sa taas 😩😩

Hoping for some help from fellow heavyset mascs/butches out there. San kayo bumibili? 🥹 or if ever, good sports bras would be nice too!! Thank you!!

Problem: I feel this intense yearning even tho I dont have a crush on anyone hahahaha

Context: So I’ve been single for like 9 yrs na. Stopped hooking up for 2 yrs so would say im a celibate for 2 yrs hahahhaa

Recently im feeling this feeling na I want to fuck someone, but im not horny. But at the same time i dont even have a crush on anyone. It feels like im yearning on someone that dont exist or someone i dont know. Like blanko tlga

This just so weird for me kasi im a bottom HAHAHAHAHA recently tuloy im fantasizing on taking over someone and its so odd for me kasi iba fantasies ko before

Anyways its just so weird na im like, is this normal, what message is the universe giving me? Top na ba ako ngayon HAHHAHA

I hope someone feels the same way tas tell me what to do hahahaha

Context:

Hello so, need ko ng thoughts niyo sa situation ko rn. May gf ako, masc siya and fem ako. May issue ako with her GBF, so back story ung GBF na to is nagkagusto sa gf noon, this happened before pa magkakilala kami ng gf ko. Umamin ung GBF niya non, pero ung gf nireject naman siya, she told never daw siya nagkagusto sa GBF niya. Nagtuloy tuloy ung friendship nila, up until now. Note LDR kami ng gf ko, nasa US ung gf ko and me naman nandito sa pinas, ung GBF niya nandito din sa pinas. Me and my gf have been dating na for 8 months, and lately lang we had a big fight about smt, hindi naman siya dahil sa third party and hindi din siya about sa gbf niya. Like super lala talaga nung away namin na we almost broke up.

Me and my gf kasi mahilig kami magplay ng games sa pc, and we have this discord server which is ung members nakilala niya lang din through me. Then today lang she added ung GBF niya sa server na yon which is not issue naman for me. Sakin lang kasi, super uncomfy ako sa friend na yon, kasi eto ung plot twist my gf and her GBF had this agreement before na if single pa daw sila during their 30’s sila na lang daw. Nagulat ako nung nakwento niya yan sakin noon. I feel uncomfy pero idk how to confront my gf about this kasi feel ko ending mag aaway kami and pagod na ako don. Plus pa mga beh, tawagan nila ng GBF niya bebu,baby tapos sabi ng gf ko typical american joke daw yon. Napa shut up na lang ako, I dont want to look like the bad guy, na parang pinagbabawalan ko siya makipag interact sa friend niya. Its just na idk how do I handle this the right way. My gf told me naman platonic lang talaga ung meron sila, pero gosh sobrang uncomfy ko talaga. Ayoko na ako ung mag addjust kasi ako ung gf eh. Please help kasi I have no idea how to handle this, I dont wanna be the selosang gf controlling her partner. I feep like naiinvalidate ung pagiging uncomfy ko kasi, my gf told me ganyan lang daw talaga sila.

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Goal:

To get genuine, practical advice from fellow WLW about meeting my girlfriend in person for the first time, overcoming my inexperience with physical intimacy, and feeling more comfortable and confident without overthinking or embarrassing myself.

Context:

I'm a 19-year-old girlie planning to meet my girlfriend in person. I genuinely love her, and I'm excited about finally being able to spend time together outside of our phones.

I've dated before, but my previous relationships were relatively brief, so things never really progressed that far. I've never kissed a girl, cuddled with a girlfriend in bed, or shared a bed with a partner. I'm not new to dating, but I'm inexperienced when it comes to physical intimacy.

I'm open to exploring affection with my girlfriend when we're both comfortable and ready, whether that's our first kiss, cuddling, sleeping beside each other, or gradually exploring more intimate experiences. I just don't want my lack of experience to make me overly conscious, awkward, or embarrassed when the moment comes.

I'd love to hear from women who've experienced similar situations, especially those who've been in LDRs. How did your first meeting go? How did you approach your first kiss? How did you become comfortable with physical affection? And what advice would you give someone who wants to enjoy these experiences naturally without feeling pressured to know everything beforehand?

Note:

I'm looking for genuine experiences, honest advice, and practical tips from the WLW community. I'm not expecting everything to be perfect, and I understand that intimacy should happen at a pace we're both comfortable with. I genuinely love my girlfriend, and I want our first meeting to be a meaningful, comfortable experience for both of us. Please be kind; I'm asking because I want to learn, not because I expect anyone to judge or make fun of my inexperience.

pls gusto ko na ulit mag mahal hahahahahaha at may sumbongan after work, okay? halimaw pa naman ako magmahal at dali lang mauto. pero ngl, nakaka enjoy naman tlg maging single, i think it’s just one of those days. pls saan niyo ba nakukuha yung mga jowa niyong femme? grabe kada scroll ko sa tiktok mga wlw na jowa wid na para bang bg music

Problem/Goal: I need advice po on what to do when your partner asked for a cool off

Context:

We had a mini fight the night before ng first year anniversary namin because I told her that I hated how she's constantly on her phone while we're on a date. Most of the time, nag uupdate sya sa work gc nila or sometimes nag sscroll sa fb or nagpapakita ng mga babaeng kawork nya na need ko lang makilala to reduce any suspicions. Nagsorry sya.

I didn't know what to reply to that, so I waited for a few minutes if may sasabihin pa sya. Then she asked me if ayaw ko na ba sya kausap. Wala na raw sya sasabihin if ayaw ko na sya makausap. Sabi ko, naghihintay lang ako if may iba pa syang sasabihin dahil di ko alam ano irereply sa sorry nya. After this hindi na sya nagreply.

I thought matutulog na sya so naggood night na ako. Kaya lang, before I sleep, nagcheck ako sa fb and messenger if I missed any messages from her or other people, to which nakita ko, na lumabas pala sya with kawork (gay guy) nya na nagyaya mag SB. It was posted during the time na naghihintay ako ng response nya. It felt off to me kase gising pa ako and we have an unsettled conversation, and she just left like that. I told her halfheartedly na nakita kong lumabas sya and mag enjoy sana sya before I sleep. Ang sama ng loob ko that night.

Kinabukasan, anniversary na namin. Saka lang sya nagreply na inaya daw sya ng kawork nya mag sb that time and then, proceeded to greet me a "happy anniversary" with some short message about loving me, etc. Hindi ko naappreciate. Something was off. I felt like she's just escaping again sa difficult conversations. Pero I didn't want to be rude kaya nag greet pa rin ako ng "happy anniversary", though wala akong other message after that.

Wala akong dinugtong sa greetings na yon all day and I was already expecting a bad response from her. Kaya pag uwi ko from work, I felt like with this situation, parang di ko kaya makipagkita sa kanya to celebrate our anniv and my birthday. Ang ending, though I was scared while typing it, nagtanong ako if pwede bang imove nalang yung post celebration date namin. Hindi sya agad nagreply but she had seen my message. She then asked for a cool off.

I accepted it and apologized. Of course it hurt me but gets ko pa rin kung saan sya nanggagaling. First anniv namin pero dahil sa akin, nasira lang.

Please don't be rude sa comments. I've been having a hard time mentally in the past few months and while we're on a cool off, I informed her that I'm trying to book an appointment for mental health consultation. I haven't told her yet but I've been feeling lonely kahit I'm in a relationship with her. Take note, we're in an LDR relationship. I feel like kahit sabihin at ipakita nyang mahal nya ako, it doesn't pass through my own bubble. At this point, I could relate na sa song ni Olivia Rodrigo na What's Wrong With Me.

PROBLEM:
okay so hi ppl, i got into a bad fight with my parents like reaaally really bad fight to the point that my dad cut off all my privileges and stopped giving me allowances bcos they found out i never stopped seeing my gf and ive been sneaking out and pretending i have school jsksksk just to go on a date with her and now i am on the verge of getting kicked out for real, my gf cant support me so she broke up with me 😂😂😂🥀🥀, i honestly am fricking trying to understand our situation and why she did that but come on leaving me alone while im in the lowest point of my life?

CONTEXT:
- m!n0r1t33, im svntn
- my parents know i like women and i date women lang and theyre saying tanggap naman nila ako but their words and actions says otherwise the moment they find out i have a girlfriend/talking stages
- our relationship (parents-daughter), super rocky ever since i had a gf and they caught me

so now i only have freaking 2900 pesos and with all the gastusins, ambagans for schools and commute i seriously don’t know where ill get money to sustain my basic necessities, my dad stopped giving me money, i do have a small business (pastry), my customers are my schoolmates but business hasnt been doing well lately and i dont really know where ill get my money for the next few days

please i need a JOB/SIDE HUSTLE anything i need to make money, no to inappropriate sh!t ok pls that aint for me. I am still a student so I would appreciate online jobs 😞 i really am desperate to be employed and earn money so please help me out

Problem/Goal: How do you get over someone you never even dated, especially when what you had felt real to you?

Context: I have a crush on this girl who's a friend of a friend. I barely knew her, but the moment I saw her picture, something about her just got me.

She had a partner at the time, but they eventually broke up, and we started talking after. For months, we talked consistently, called each other, updated each other about our days, and even have endearment. We basically acted like a couple without the label.

She kept telling me she wasn't ready for a commitment, and I respected that. I never wanted to pressure her into something she wasn't ready for.

But then, out of nowhere, things started to change. She became distant, our conversations weren't the same, and I could feel her slowly pulling away. I don’t know when and where it all started to go wrong. And then recently, I found out she's been talking to and even meeting up with her first love.

I know we never officially dated, and technically, she doesn't owe me anything. But it's hard not to feel hurt when someone who once made you feel wanted suddenly treats you like you're no longer someone they want to talk to.

So now, I'm thinking of distancing myself. Not because I'm angry at her, but because I don't know how to keep talking to someone I'm starting to lose while pretending I'm not hurt because I really do like her. But I don’t know how to do it.

Problem/goal: Paano ba dapat ma bring up yung sexual compatibility during talking stage without it sounding inappropriate?

I’ve been single 2 years now and gusto ko na sana mag date ulet but since im looking for a long term relationship, important for me na malaman ko during early stage pa ng dating. We did one way sa ex ko for 5 years and i actually prefer that now hahaha

Any thoughts/advice is appreciated!

Problem/Goal:

My girlfriend and I just broke up, and honestly, I don’t know how to process everything right now.
I’m looking for advice from people who have gone through heartbreak while still being in love with the person. How do you stop waiting for them to come back? How do you deal with the loneliness, the overthinking, and the urge to reach out? How do you rebuild your life and find yourself again when a part of you still wishes things could have worked out?
I’m not looking for advice on how to get her back. I want to learn how to get through this, let go, and eventually feel like myself again.

Context:
She ended things,
The thing is, this isn’t my first heartbreak. I’ve been through a long-term relationship before, and I know what it’s like to rebuild your life around yourself again. I know the loneliness, the overthinking, the urge to reach out, and those days when even the simplest things feel exhausting.
But knowing what heartbreak feels like doesn’t make going through it again any easier.
Part of me feels relieved because this relationship has been taking a toll on me. Another part of me is devastated because I still love her. It’s confusing to grieve someone while also knowing that the relationship wasn’t making you happy anymore.
I’m trying to accept that she might never come back, explain what happened, or give me the closure I’m looking for.
I’d especially love to hear from people who’ve experienced heartbreak more than once and had to pick themselves up and start over again.
How did you learn to let go of someone you still loved? What helped you get through the nights when everything felt heavy? And how did you find your way back to yourself?
I’d really appreciate hearing your experiences. I could use some perspective right now.

Problem/Goal: I don't have much knowledge about WLW community and I want to learn more about it.

Context: Hello! Medyo unfamiliar pa kasi ako sa mga terms at sa WLW community (like masc, soft masc, femme, butch, etc.). Ask lang ako suggestions how to learn more about the community and other stuff. Hindi rin kasi ako sure kung saan ba ko belong, pero baka "soft masc" siguro? Hindi kasi ako masyadong girly or feminine type, more like nerdy smart clothing pero mas bet ko pa rin mga cute styling or pastel or earth colors kaysa sa dark clothing na common sa iba.

Curious lang ako since alam kong attracted ako sa girls, pero wala pa talaga akong experience—pati sa flirttalk, like zero-zero pa (parang inosente pero hindi naman lolol). eh yung cof ko kasi ay straight girls at gay friends kaya wala akong masyadong idea pagdating sa WLW world.

Tsaka, ask ko na rin: Saan ba magandang makahanap ng mga taong pwede makausap (or makilala) to see where things go? I'm very open kahit friendship. Medyo nakakapagod na kasi maging tenga para sa mga problema dahil sa mga red flag na mga lalaki na laging bukang bibig ng mga kaibigan ko lol(same advice everytime pero naloloko pa rin ng mga lalaki huhuhu)

Sorry, medyo messy lang talaga yung thoughts ko dito.

Problem/Goal: I want to build a new routine, to rewire my brain kasi parang muscle memory na din na first thing in the morning ang ubang aabutin is phone.

Context: pagod na ko na every gising phone ang unang hahanapin and mascroll sa kung saan-saan.
Nag jump lang sa every social media and hanggang wala na magawa.

Any advice how to do it?

For context: my gf moved to a new apt with 2 rooms and she’s asking me go move in with her. gusto ko and matagal na rin naman namin plano.

facts:
- my parents know im gay and dating her (3 years na kami)
- i’m not from manila (province girlie) so i have been living in a dorm with my friends from highschool and studying in the same uni
- currently a 4th yr student graduating soon

i’ve been planning na rin naman na gusto ko ng solo space soon because magsstudy pa ako for boards after grad. ayoko na rin sa dorm/apt namin kasi 4 kami doon and walang solo space talaga.

if i move in with my gf, i’ll get a solo room naman and girl sino ba may ayaw na makasama ang asawa HAHAHAHA

i just dk how to convince or tell my parents na gusto ko lumipat with her. what are your experiences ba and maybe advice?

Problem/Goal:
I just want to know if it's normal to have this kind of desire where I want to watch my partner have sex with a guy, and if ever it happens, is it possible for it to happen again? Also, looking for advice from anyone who has experienced something similar and how they handled it.

Context:
My partner actually agreed to it, pero syempre may part pa rin sa akin na medyo natatakot. For me kasi, it's really hot, and I want to see her get satisfied by a guy and see how she has sex with one. Before kasi, her exes were guys, and she also had a fubu who was a guy. This whole idea started when she was using her vibrator and then she sucked on it; tapos nung ginamit niya ulit, ang hot lang ng pagka-subo niya sa toy. We are still figuring things out, so any advice would really help.

Ano kayang feeling na ikaw naman yung maging crush or magustuhan? Anong feeling na ikaw yung pinaparinggan sa notes, ang dahilan kung bakit siya biglang nags-story, at nagre-repost ng mga "patama kay crush" postings. Anong feeling na ikaw naman yung ina-admire just by existing? Ano kayang feeling ng ganon 'no?

Kontento naman ako sa pagiging single ko ngayon, pero may moments pa rin na napapatanong ako kung meron bang nagka-crush or magkaka-crush sakin na girl. Yung hindi na ako ang magfi-first move this time, yung hindi na ako ang maghihintay sa reply, at yung hindi na ako ang matatalo sa huli.

Ewan. Hindi naman ako malungkot dahil laging ako yung una nagkakagusto. May unspoken hope lang ako na sana isang araw ako naman yung unang makita.

Problem/Goal: Nakakatampo pa rin ba talaga kapag nakakatulog ka o yung girlfriend mo habang magkausap kayo? Gusto kong malaman kung normal lang ba na tampuhan ito sa relationship o kung may kailangan kaming i-adjust sa expectations namin sa isa't isa.

Context: Hindi naman na kami mga bata na walang ibang responsibilities. Pareho kaming may mga ginagawa sa buhay, at alam ng girlfriend ko na nagtatrabaho ako buong araw. Kapag nakahiga na ako, sinasabi ko na sa kanya ang good night in case makatulog ako habang nag-uusap kami. Hindi ko naman siya basta-basta iniiwan sa ere nang walang pasabi.

Pero kinabukasan, magtatampo pa rin siya, at minsan buong araw na naman kaming hindi okay dahil doon. Honestly, nakaka-frustrate kasi hindi ko naman sinasadya makatulog. Nakakapagod din talaga ang buong araw na trabaho, at hindi naman maiiwasang antukin.

Hello gays!

Curious lang ako ano ba feeling ng orgasm? Paano mo masasabi na nag-orgasm ka during sex? I'm not really sure kasi kung ano ba yung feeling nun. Meron naman akong experience with my gf. When we fuck, sobrang wet ko talaga and kita ko yung lumalabas na juices from me. But hindi ko sure if orgasm ba 'yon. Satisfied ako every time na nagse-sex kami. I'm just really curious.

Hope you guys share your knowledge and thoughts!

It hurts me to think of it. Baka dahil sa anxious ako masyado. I don’t know, I need help in navigating this.

Context: Hindi ako selosa, na lagi niyang sinasabi whenever I open up na naiinggit ako.

I tell her everything. In fact, she’s the only person I want to tell everything to. Pero for her, that’s not me. And it’s really sad. Ang sakit lang.

How do I manage my own expectations, feelings and thoughts? Sobrang nabobobo ako.

Edit: We’re 30 btw, and 2 years in the relationship pa lang. I wfh, she works outside. I need to learn how to manage my emotions and thoughts. I just don’t know how yet.

Not in a judgmental kind of way ha, I think. Lol Just a quiet observation from a lesbian older sister na na-overhear ang younger brother niya talking with his gf on the phone. It's his first-ever relationship and I'm very happy for him. Even if he teases me a lot na ako na lang walang gf sa amin. They're gentle with each other and they laugh with each other a lot, too. Mukhang magkasundo talaga sila ni ate girl. Natatawa lang ako kasi may ganong side pala yung mokong na yon. Lalo na sa part na parang pareho galawan namin pag-in love.

Or at least that was how I was before. Napaisip ako, after a few years of healing from past traumas and getting my spark back, I am a much different person than I was before. I don't know how I'm going to be with my person, and it's both scary and exciting. Ang ganda lang i-entertain yung thought na na-iimagine ko nang maging corny na ulit sa paningin ng ibang tao, sending air kisses and whispering "I love you"s on the phone. For the longest time kasi I was suffering a lot mentally to the point of thinking I don't deserve to be loved. That was just depression talking, nobody deserves to be alone. Even the most awful people on the planet are loved, what more pa kaya the people who try their darndest to be good people. Pero honestly, I think I'm a pretty good catch! I like to believe the traumatic past and the mental health disorders that stemmed from those exist as attempts to nerf me but to no avail bc I'm still hot and a little insane but gentle, funny, and most importantly, I'm cheesy kapag in love!!! 🧈

For context, I’m more on the soft masc side, and I’ve always been a service top in my past experiences.
Recently, after my situationship ended, I started exploring myself more. And let’s just say, I discovered something about myself that made me rethink what I might want in my next relationship. HAHAHAHA.
Before, I always saw myself as the one giving, but now, parang gusto ko naman ma-experience being on the receiving end. 😭
So, I came to this realization na baka masc bottom pala ako all this time?

**Or wait… does that make me a switch?** HAHAHAHAHA. 😭🤚
Anyway, confession lang po. Character development ba to or am I just discovering a new side of myself? HAHAHAHA.

Problem/Goal:

I genuinely don't know how to flirt with a girl I'm actually interested in. 💀 I can hold conversations, make jokes, and talk about random things, but when it comes to showing romantic interest, I suddenly have zero game.

I want to get closer to this girl naturally, tease her a little, and introduce some flirting into our conversations without coming on too strong. At the same time, I don't want to stay in the talking stage forever just because I'm too scared to make a move.

For the WLWs here, especially those who've been in a similar situation:

• How do you flirt with a girl over chat without making it feel forced?
• How can you tell if she's flirting back or just being friendly?
• How do you keep conversations going without feeling like you're the only one making an effort?
• What are some subtle ways to show interest and test the waters without making things awkward?
• How do you get closer to a girl when you don't get to see each other in person?

I'm not trying to rush into a relationship with her. I just want to get to know her again, see where things go, and hopefully have the courage to flirt a little instead of overthinking every interaction. 😭

Context:

Hi! I'm 20, bisexual, and currently in college under an online learning setup. I'm also an academic achiever, which is honestly what most people who aren't close to me tend to associate me with. I have a few admirers who've expressed interest in me, and they're genuinely good-looking and decent people, but I just can't seem to feel the same way about them. It's not that there's anything wrong with them; the attraction just isn't there. I hope you get what I mean. 😭

I've been single for five years, although I did have a complicated situation with a former best friend that I didn't fully understand until we had a massive falling-out.

Anyway, there's this girl I like. She's bisexual too, and we go to different colleges. We knew each other back in high school and had a bit of a history, but we weren't particularly close for a long time. Recently, we've started talking again, and I've been trying to figure out how to get closer to her without making things weird.

We've only been talking for around four days, but our first conversation lasted over six hours because I was really drunk and apparently very chatty. 😭 Our second conversation lasted almost two and a half hours. We talked about school, our experiences, random interests, and other things. We even joked around about the languages we're learning.

Lately, though, our conversations haven't been as long. Sometimes I send her something to start a conversation, and she'll respond, but I'm not always sure where to take it from there. I can't tell whether she's genuinely interested in talking to me or is simply being friendly. I don't want to assume anything just because we can talk for hours.

I'm also worried about coming on too strong. I want to show interest without making her uncomfortable or putting pressure on her, especially since we're still reconnecting.

Please be nice. I'm genuinely asking because I feel like I have absolutely zero game when it comes to girls I actually like HAHHAHAHAHA

Hi! 24 here and recently I am so confused with my sexual desires recently. I am straight I’ve known that and confirmed multiple times, but recently I started wanting to try and hook up with a female. Idk when and why it happened and I don’t want to sound rude or whatever, but atp di ko alam gagawin or what. Please help what should I do. Please help me what to do.

I’ve been hiding my other X account sa gf ko. Doon kasi ako nanonood ng 🌽 tapos rant account ko na rin. I’ve never engaged with anybody there. Medyo guilty pa ako for hiding this account. Today I found out hindi lang pala ako ang may secret X account.

This morning, medyo nagsleep in si S.O. So I checked if nakapaglog in na ba siya sa work via phone. WFH siya. While doing that, may nagnotif from X pero from an account I didn’t know. Nacurious ako so I clicked it. Doon ko nakita yung account niya na yun. It was a harmless notif pero nagulat ako sa content ng profile niya.

I know I’m wrong for checking that. I could’ve ignored it. Pero ayan, karma ko siguro to for snooping around.

Her last tweet was in 2025, a year naman before we started dating. Pero doon sa account na yun, she was looking for people to hook up with. Single naman siya non so technically she’s not doing anything wrong. Nagulat lang ako talaga. It’s a typical X acc na naghahanap ng hook ups. Nagrerepost ng 🌽. Wala naman siyang posted videos. She has one posted photo may cover yung face. Ka-body type niya, pero hindi siya yun. I’m sure because the tatts don’t match. Doon ako medyo na-weirduhan. I didn’t get to check if may naka-hook up nga siya don. Idk I’m so confused hindi ko alam gagawin sa information na to.

I’m just a little worried kasi baka nga we don’t match sexually. We’ve been having less intimacy, pero based naman sa mga tweets niya, mataas naman sex drive niya. She tweeted pa nga na gusto niya ng partner na h*rny. Pero eto nako oh hahaha.

For the past few weeks, ino-open ko sakanya na I feel less loved kasi we’re doing the deed less. Kaso nagi-guilty lang ako kasi ang side niya naman ay bakit sa s*x ko lang bina-base yung love. Maybe she’s not that sexually attracted sakin. Maybe I’m doing something wrong? Maybe need ko na bumili ng deeldow? Hahaha. Maybe I need some advice.

problem/goal: hello! ask ko lang po if ano magandang sports bra na close enough sa binder? saan po kaya pwede bumili na mall shops na budget friendly?

context: ayoko po kasi mag-binder due to health reasons, but ang sole purpose na gusto ko mag-sports bra is to minimize po 'yung chest bump. first option ko po kasi now 'yung sa nike kaso pricey sya. thank you sa sasagot!!

I feel like I’ve been introspecting a little too much lately... We can love someone deeply and still feel lonely in a relationship. Nine years in, I’m realizing that living together isn’t the same as experiencing life together. I wonder how many others have felt this way, too. Just thinking out loud here.