r/TrueAtheism • • 2h ago

Faith Wars

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The Discrimination of Opinion (a brief commentary)

There is a centuries-old war that you won't read about in textbooks, and you probably witness it almost every day. If you were raised in one camp or the other, you've likely engaged in it without realizing it. It's the war between faith and fact. Radicals in each group fight to eliminate the other as the root of all evil.

I gave this very little thought, though I was deeply entrenched in the Christian faith. It never occurred to me to fight against or go to war with those with other beliefs. There were, of course, lectures on why my way of thinking was more accurate than others. But to take up arms against or even riot against? How foolish that seems. That’s the stuff of medieval or even archaic times. But the wars go on.

I’ve not experienced anything on that scale, but it has made me wonder. When I switched from faith in Judeo-Christianity to faith in no God, I apparently went from good to evil. Like an old sci-fi movie, I had gone to the dark side. If you don’t believe in God, you must believe in human sacrifice and baby killing! But no, my moral compass remains pretty much the same.

When I consider all the rioting and calls for anarchy or socialism or worse, it really comes down to opinions. “My opinion is the right opinion, and if you don’t agree, I’ll beat, conquer, or kill you!” You’re certainly not welcome. It is not religion that causes wars, but opinions. Mixed with huge egos, of course. Is my lack of faith in the existence of a god something to take up arms over? No, not in itself. If you want to take away my beliefs or my freedom to express my beliefs, then we might have a problem. That, however, would be a freedom fight rather than an opinion fight. Certainly, my opinion is that I should have the freedom to believe what I choose, whereas Xi Jinping believes otherwise. Freedom still must yet be considered a major factor in warfare, but with opinion underpinning it.

Perhaps I’m overthinking this. I don’t know. All I’ve experienced is the gasp and looks of dismay from those who figure out I no longer apply my faith to ancient myths. Of course I no longer have the friends I once did since my beliefs no longer match theirs. Relatives tend to be stuck with me as we are few and far between these days. Dismay seems to be their retort. Yes, some anger as well. I’m still invited to the now small family get-togethers, but I never share my opinions, and they’re good with that.

None of my newfound faith is based on petty or frivolous ideas. I don’t blame Christians’ counter-biblical comments or actions. It has nothing to do with Muslim vs. Christian beliefs, or any other religion. It’s fruitless to blame one’s worldview on the actions of other people. Just let me sort through the facts for myself. If my opinion differs from yours, so be it. How interesting our differences make our lives.


r/TrueAtheism • • 8h ago

A Critique of Atheist Arguments From an Atheist

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James Wood, in his 2006 review of Sam Harris’s book, offers what I think is an excellent critique of atheist arguments in general, and from an atheist’s perspective. He gave up religion at age 15; I never believed in God and I find his criticisms well-founded and finely expressed. His essay is well worth reading in full https://newrepublic.com/article/64337/the-celestial-teapot
Some excerpts:

“The End of Faith starts well and then becomes a bit predictable, because it begins to follow the rules of its rather thin genre. Letter to a Christian Nation, which is an open letter to the many Christians who wrote to Harris in complaint, is even thinner. I have an almost infinite capacity for the consumption of atheistic texts, but there is a limit to how many times one can stub one’s toe on the thick idiocy of some mullah or pastor. There is a limit to the number of times one can be told that the Bible is a shaky text, and that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are full of really nasty things. Ratio vincit omnia [reason conquers all] but the page-by-page demonstration of this rationalist conquering can become wearisome…”

Wood continues his thumbnail summary:

“The genre tends to proceed thus: the atheist must first remove all possible respect from religious belief. The tone is a little perky, and lively thought experiments bloom. They go a bit like this: if I told you that President Bush prays every day to his vacuum cleaner, you would judge him insane. But why is there any evidence that the God he prays to exists? It is fun, knockabout. Harris likes to compare belief in God with belief in Wotan or Zeus… The model is Bertrand Russell’s ‘celestial teapot,’ gleefully quoted by Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion… God is like the teapot, we are supposed to infer. Dawkins uses Russell to argue that we cannot prove God’s non-existence, but then we cannot prove anything’s non-existence. ‘What matters,’ writes Dawkins, ‘is not whether God is disprovable (he isn’t), but whether his existence is probable.... Some undisprovable things are sensibly judged far less probable than other undisprovable things.’

“I agree with Dawkins’s conclusion, and consider God highly improbable, but I dislike the way he gets there. It seems to occur neither to him nor to Russell that belief in God is not like belief in a teapot. The referent—the content of the belief—matters here. God may be just as undisprovable as the teapot, but belief in God is a good deal more reasonable than belief in the teapot, precisely because God cannot be reified, cannot be turned into a mere thing, and thus entices our approximations. There is a reason, after all,that no one has ever worshiped a teapot: it does not allow enough room to pour the fluid of our incomprehension into it. Interestingly, Dawkins himself seems to agree with this complaint. In a recent conversation in Time with the geneticist Francis Collins (who is a believing Christian), a conversation in which both men spoke eloquently, Dawkins was pushed by Collins to admit that, in Dawkins’s words, ‘there could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible beyond our understanding.’ That’s God,said Collins. Yes, but it could be any of billions of Gods, replied Dawkins: ‘the chance of its being a particular God, Yahweh, the God of Jesus, is vanishingly small.’ In other words, the God of a particular scripture and tradition is a parochial and inherently improbable notion. But the idea of some kind of creator, said Dawkins, ‘does seem to be a worthy idea. Refutable—but nevertheless grand and big enough to be worthy of respect.’ To which one should add: by definition, then, this ‘grand and big’ idea is not analogically disproved by referring to celestial teapots or vacuum cleaners, which lack the necessary bigness and grandeur.

“My inner atheist nevertheless enjoys the ‘naughtiness’ of this disrespect… and Harris has an Orwellian robustness and a good journalistic way with his one-liners. To the creationists who believe that the world is six thousand years old, he says: ‘This is, incidentally, about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue.’”

I, too, as a lifelong atheist enjoy the lampooning of creationists and thick idiocy of some televangelist. But is this sufficient? Is this going to overturn religious belief?
Wood continues summarizing:

“Having set fire to religion’s firewall of respect, the genre moves on to point out that millions of people believe that their religious traditions are the right ones, and that they cannot all be right. Then it is time to dismantle the texts, usually by pointing to historical inconsistencies and moral outrages, such as the Bible’s silence on slavery, or God’s instruction that heretics, adulterers, and homosexuals should be stoned. From here it is a merestep to arguing that we do not need divine laws—especially given their historically specific nature—in order to be good.”

All of these points are valid, and should be exposed to the light of day. Wood expresses it this way:

“This brand of public atheism is very good at the necessary disrespecting of religion, and it has a properly hygienic function. But how worthy of respect is it itself? The problem is that its bright certainty about the utter silliness of religion leads very quickly away from philosophy and argument. There is a dismaying gap, in these books, between the righteous anger of the critique of the many absurdities of religious belief and the attempts to account for why people have believed this apparent nonsense for so many centuries.”

Aye, and there’s the rub. As I see it, the atheist argument has never been able to successfully account for the near-ubiquity of religious belief, across continents and across millennia. Wood examines some of Dawkins’s and Dennett’s attempts to explain it away, attempts he considers half-baked (“evolutionary biologists never seem happier than when they are talking about humans as crafty but malfunctioning computers”, he writes).

And there is more to criticize about these standard atheist arguments against religions and belief, a more fundamental criticism that cuts deep, and concludes Wood’s essay:

“The emphasis on evidence, on provability and probability, is an inevitable part of the cleansing rationalism of these books, and is not always unwelcome. Dawkins is careful to talk about the improbability of God’s existence, not his impossibility, though Harris rather too easily lapses into talk about ‘insufficient evidence’: ‘It is undeniable that people of faith make heroic sacrifices to relieve the suffering of other human beings. But is it necessary to believe anything on insufficient evidence in order to behave this way?’ Yet he surely knows that we believe all kinds of things on insufficient evidence. Or rather, what might be sufficient evidence to him could well be insufficient to someone else and vice versa…

“We have to acknowledge that most religious language cannot be tested for its provability by a philosophical rationalism that anyway defines the terms of that provability. Religious language, as Wittgenstein never tired of pointing out, is a practice, not an experiment; its referents are defined by how it is used. There are grammatical differences between the use of religious language and ordinary language…”

For ample proof of these differences, delve into Maimonides’s tome A Guide to the Perplexed. But onward to the conclusion of Woods’s essay:

“These are not easy questions, then, but the jauntily unphilosophical way in which most popular atheistic writing simply ignores the Wittgensteinian dilemmas is disappointing, and explains why its explanations of the sources of religious belief are so jejune. Is there not a kind of insult to language in so comprehensively banning the incomprehensible? Shouldn’t a physicist—a friend of mine—be able to say that, for her, Coltrane’s A Love Supreme ‘is God,’ without atheism busily correcting her lexical lapse into the unprovable? Dawkins says of James Frazer’s The Golden Bough, ‘Read such books and marvel at the richness of human gullibility,’ as if that solves that. Sam Harris gets himself into a telling knot in The End of Faith, when he attempts to float a kind of vaguely Eastern, vaguely New Agey form of meditation. (The dirty secret of that book is that Harris turns out to be a Buddhist.)

“…this rational mysticism seems a pretty poor substitute for the grandeurs of religious mysticism, however one judges the latter’s empirical content. Harris is welcome to sit on his floor and get off on his Buddhism; I’ll go and sit in a cathedral.

“And what does it mean to say that the mystery of the world can be analyzed with scientific concepts? Harris knows as well as anyone else that it is precisely the ultimate mysteriousness of the universe that science has so far failed to explain. The Big Bang theory has gone far in explaining—no, in proving—how the universe first began to expand from an infinitesimal compacting of matter, a theory foreshadowed, in fact, in the speculations of some of the very irrationalists disdained by atheism: ancient and medieval philosophy and theology boldly discusses the idea that space and time were created together. But about the very moment before this first expansion, and the conditions that made it possible, there is only speculation. About this moment, we are all in the dark, and silence calls to silence.”

I find James Woods remarkably insightful in his critique. As an atheist I find religions fascinating, even if it only for the spiritual side of human history. I also have been disappointed with the “jauntily unphilosophical” content of most atheist books. Poking fun (as enjoyable as it is) is not sufficient. Scientific materialism is not the only valid way of seeing the world. We must take seriously the near ubiquity of belief and above all, we should know and understand that which we are arguing against. A superficial view of world religions is not enough.

Note: the Time debate between Dawkins and Collins can be found here https://time.com/archive/6596748/god-vs-science/ and is well worth reading


r/TrueAtheism • • 1d ago

I am seeking an atheist life partner who will not compel me to visit temples or similar places.

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I am unsure why I began thinking this way, yet it reflects what I truly desire. I want a partner who thinks differently, someone who never tries to impose beliefs I do not share; marrying or staying with a woman who does not think like me would make a relationship harder to sustain and love. I want to know whether I am wrong or right.


r/TrueAtheism • • 1d ago

IS IT true ?

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I once heard and read that a atheist was once a religious person

here is my personal experience -

me becoming a atheist is a story that i guess is common at some point for all of us
so since childhood to my current age as a teenager ( about 15 to 16 years old) I believed in GOD since being born in a typical INDIAN hindu family i used to go temples with my mom and sisters

I never loved something as much as i loved football not even my parents friends or even any girl and saying that i was pretty good in football after insisting so much i joined a local academy which played in youth I league level ( highest level on indian youth football from where good performers are picked up for youth National team ) i played very good performed very well won two times player of month and best player i played there for 3 to 4 months

i enjoyed every single bit of it i never ever thought that my life will be beautiful as my cursh's eyes 😅 never ever thought that my life will take a u turn from there

Injury came and tore my dream apart initially i thought that ( being a religious guy at that time ) praying to god with my purest heart will solve everything but it never helped and i realized being religious is making me vulnerable i remember those days still i used to wake and up cry in washroom and study then in afternoon i used to go temple and literally cry in the empty temples hoping that behind that statue *MOORTI* is someone who has power to change my fate who will help me if i pray to him

i don't know but i never loved something as much i used to love Football i still love it but not passionate about it, i know i am tooo young to say this but catch my feelings -
the kid inside myself that once used to dream about becoming greatest footballer died and that kid died in a false hope that there is god to save him

i guess that is life
You loose you learn
and now being a teenager i can't control my feeling i know its out of topic but i wanted to say it so badly

now moving towards adulthood


r/TrueAtheism • • 4d ago

Best debunking of Natural Law Theory?

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Lately, I have seen plenty of Christians (especially Catholics) trying to prove that homosexual sex, casual sex and masturbation being inherently immoral by utilizing the old natural law theory developed by Thomas Aquinas. Basically, these "laws" posit that breaking the teleology or inherent nature of one's genital area by not procreating is inherently bad as it goes against the nature of procreation.

What are some secular thinkers, who have debunked the Natural Law? I would be interested in reading them, because the NLT has honestly begun to piss me off, since it seems like one could argue that even chewing gum would break it.

E: I found some rather nice philosphical takedowns of Natural Law from the philosphy blog Bentham's Bulldog. If you're interested, have a look at them. I think these pretty effectively prove Natural Law as an objectively false theory. He even provided a pretty devastating takedown of Catholic philosopher Brian Besong's attempted response.

Natural Law Theory is Obviously False by Bentham's Bulldog
Yes, Natural Law Theory is Obviously False by Bentham's Bulldog (Response to Brian Besong)


r/TrueAtheism • • 3d ago

Islamophobes and extreme Islamists are literally the same thing in a different font.

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While it might sound like a hot take at first, Islamophobes and extreme Islamists are essentially two sides of the same coin just expressed in a different font.HEAR ME OUT.

First off to be clear, it is completely okay to criticize, question, or discuss any religion, its texts, or its practices. That’s a normal part of open debate. But I'm literally talking about actual phobia, systemic hatred, and blind extremism.

When you look past their opposing ideological labels, both groups share the exact same rigid worldview. Both rely on a binary "us vs. them" mindset that rejects nuance and treats over a billion diverse people as a monolith.

both groups agree on the exact same premise that Islam and non Islamic societies are fundamentally incompatible and locked in an inevitable conflict. Neither side tolerates any middle ground extremists label moderate Muslims as traitors, while Islamophobes dismiss peaceful Muslims as either ignorant or deceptive.

Ultimately, they exist in a feedback loop of reciprocal radicalization. They use each other’s worst actions to justify their own hatred, dehumanization, and fearmongering, relying on one another to prove their points.

Liiike different ideology but same exact mindset.


r/TrueAtheism • • 5d ago

Does anyone else feel tired

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Very vague heading, but I think I’m at a point of total fatigue with observing Christian nationalists hold moral superiority over other religions. I’ve been an atheist my entire life. Was raised by a Catholic family, and thankfully my mom always stood up for my right to make up my own mind. It’s always been ridiculous the flak she and I got for not conforming to the rest of the family’s thoughts. Now, outside looking in at everything, it’s extremely exhausting seeing people dehumanize one another because of their beliefs, and I feel like we’re ending up in bizarro world. How can we advance as a society without a common understanding of our material reality it just sometimes seems hopeless.


r/TrueAtheism • • 6d ago

Truma

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Well ever since I was a kid I used to question everything especially when it comes to religion .my family were forcing me to wear hijab and everytime I refused to wearing, for me when I was muslim I couldn't accept the hijab thing at all ( everything that I don't like even if it was related to God and religion I wouldn't do it no matter what ), so I remember 2025 summer I was scrolling on yt about the hijab ( I was trying to convince myself to wear it ), suddenly a sharif Jaber video about hijab appear on my screen ,I i tap on it the the whole transition started from that moment .Then I started do a lot of research and I discovered about all of those terrifying things, so I decided to leave islam ,ngl it was a very rough period I felt like I'm lost and disappointed ,and I was crying every night and I was praying that it was a lie .however now I get over it and I'm just larp it till I get some freedom .


r/TrueAtheism • • 5d ago

Atheists opposed to the death penalty, can you please tell me why? Thank you!

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Hello atheists! I'm a Christian (specifically I have been on the pathway to Catholicism for nearly two years now, it's a bit complicated), and I wanted to ask this because I can't actually understand it.

What I mean by that is, right, many Catholics are opposed to the death penalty. Because I am on that pathway, I have reached a similar conclusion. I oppose the death penalty, but I am of the opinion that we should instead send murderers and rapists to forced labour camps where they can be useful to society. I still need to call in to Catholic answers live to make sure that the forced labour part of that wouldn't be sinful. I have reason to think it isn't but that is besides the point. If you don't like my alternative, my plan B if they say it would be sinful is just life in a really crappy prison. Anyway, my third alternative, though, would be the death penalty. I think that because the justice system never really carries out justice properly in my country, Australia, and just releases heinous murderers willy-nilly, if they refuse to sentence them to life in prison, the death penalty is the next reasonable punishment. It protects society from these people and it is a form of justice. But obviously my reasons that I prefer life in labour camps is that justice is still exacted, and they do have a long period where it is possible to repent (because a key belief of Catholicism is that we are all wretched sinners, but we are all capable of being forgiven).

So basically my question after all that is if you are an atheist who is opposed to the death penalty in the vast majority of cases, why? The way I see it, if I were an atheist then not using the death penalty prolongs their suffering, but in a way that costs lots of money for the tax payers. Killing them punishes them in the most final way. You are not stealing from them an opportunity to repent and avoid damnation, you are merely making the ending of their soul happen much sooner. And it allows the families of victims to be around to witness justice. I assume that anyone reading this also does not like these people just being set free, but if you could choose them just being locked up for a long time why not just kill them? Is it that you guys are really sympathetic, or do you think that killing them actually doesn't achieve justice because maybe you guys support being really cruel and I have misjudged you? Just like with many other things, Christianity guides me towards trying to be more merciful in regards to the death penalty.

Anyway, thank you if anyone read this whole things or responds. This question was triggered by the new Nidal Hassan and Christa Pike situations, although mostly the former. Hopefully I came to the right subreddit for this. I considered a few others but settled on this because you guys seem to give more serious and polite answers more often. Have a nice day guys!

Edit: I would just like to correct a mistake I made. When considering cost of death penalty I went off of memory, and completely forgot about all the legal stuff that makes it more expensive. So that is completely my bad, I wish to remove that from my reasoning, feel free to ignore it. The only reason I have left it in is that I want to be honest about that mistake.

Edit 2: I just want to clarify, I'm not trying to imply that without religion you should support the death penalty. I think not supporting the death penalty for whatever reason is good, it is just some reasons make a lot more sense to me than others. That is why I have posted this question.


r/TrueAtheism • • 5d ago

Is it okay for me to exist

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I am christian man and I wanna start of by saying I respect your beliefs. I am religious have been since birth if that makes sense. I was wondering this because I see a lot more hate towards religious people. Due to that I sometimes feel like its not okay for me to belief something. The more I see the more people assume things of me untill I am a racist piece of garbage. So I wanted to ask an atheist is it okay for me as a religious person to exist. Because it sure doesn't feel like it, I feel safer asking you guys then random atheist on the internet given you people are much more welcoming.

Edit: I had some questions so I'll answer them. I am Bi so no I don't hate the lgbtq+ community. I am not a christian nationalist I would love for trump and his other buddies to be behind bars. I am not american so no I did not vote him into power. I am also not racist, sexist or otherwise hatefull towards people that look different, act different or have other beliefs than me. I hope that clears things up for the future and apoligies for the miss communication.


r/TrueAtheism • • 6d ago

A parrot behaving strangely

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How do you explain this video of a parrot hearing sounds that seem like screams, as mentioned in a hadith stating that animals can hear the sounds of punishment in the grave?

Video link:

https://youtu.be/aqF-Ydv6RvQ?si=hB8-cqXDTj3H7leg


r/TrueAtheism • • 7d ago

Christian Disregard for the Sanctity of Life

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While I was young and still religious, all teachings I went through emphasized the importance of respecting human life, and all life to begin with.
Murder, slaughter or any kind of action that leads to the death of someone else was to be avoided at all cost. It was a deadly sin.

Fast forward as an atheist, it seems in most places around the world, there's death and destruction and from what I can see, christians are indifferent about all this, at least from a compassion perspective. Wars, ethnic cleansing, wholesale erasure of entire communities around the world. I'm not asking christians to snap their finger and fix all world problems. I'm asking for the bare minimum. Show compassion.

I've had real life discussions with christians that left me stunned. A guy once justified genocide. Saying it's sometimes necessary because humans are unruly. I haven't talked to him ever since.
For example, someone holding a bible, on their way to church, will look you in the eye and justify atrocities. With all this disregard for human life, even suggesting NOT BOMBING innocent people feels like you're taking crazy pills because apparently most people are OK with it. Death is miniscule nowadays. Violence seems the order of the day and totally justified because "they deserve it". And that's just one example.

Police shoots some unarmed kid? Read the comments. Again, don't say they're trolling or being edgy. Many of those people truly believe what they're saying. The kid deserved it. FAFO and all heartless utterences. Where's the love for one another that christ emphasized time and time again?

Furthermore, just take a quick look online. Lots of christians couldn't care less about all those deaths apparently. The comments are absolutely horrendous. The racism and bigotry from people with bible verse in their bios. It just all seems like a sick joke. And don't say they're trolling or being edgy. That's not very christian-like, is it? I know, internet is not indicative of real life. Except it kind of is. There's bots of course. But I assure you, this pattern started before the large presence of bots. Many of these takes are from real people.

So, do christians pretend to care about life only when it suits them? Because, in reality, they don't go out of their way to protect life, it seems. I was taught you had to go the extra mile to help people. Walk through the rain to help a stranger. Put your life in danger to help those in trouble. Visit prisoners. Visit the sick. Feed the hungry and go hungry yourself. That was the core principle. Being selfless and putting others first. Share what little you have. But in the christian of today is a far cry from that. Pastors drive $100k+ SUVs and some even have private jets. The pope literally sits on a chair made of gold. The opulence is insane from an institution that teaches humility.

Money is put in front of everything. The poor and less fortunate are looked down upon. They're encouraged to pray so god can also "bless" them with riches. Which brings up another point. Most of these people don't genuinely believe in what they say. It's mostly selfish desires and enriching themselves.

I just want to have a discuss around this topic. Has anyone else realized just how indifferent and outright in support of destruction, supposedly godly people can be?


r/TrueAtheism • • 6d ago

28F, 28M 2 years

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hey

How do people who don’t believe in God get over the feeling that someone has treated them terribly, seemingly gotten away with everything and is now doing better than ever, while I am the one left suffering?

I’m struggling with the fact that someone who hurt me seems to be getting everything they wanted: success, happiness, their biggest dreams coming true, while I’m going through a divorce and losing so much financial security, stability, and the life I thought I had.

I genuinely feel like I’m losing my mind watching them succeed while I’m falling apart. If you don’t believe in God, how do you make peace with the idea that sometimes people can hurt you, face no consequences and still seem to get everything they want? How do you let go of the feeling that life is deeply unfair?

UPDATE -
I have gotten my answer. I wanted to see how people who don’t believe in God deal with injustice for which no law has been made. The people suggesting therapy are the ones who have lost hope, given up on justice, and swallowed it alone.

To people suggesting therapy, I guess you don’t go to the police and courts if something unlawful is being done? Do you just accept it as it as and JUST go to therapy. I am not saying you shouldn’t go to therapy but you first go to police/courts and therapy as well.

You just seek therapy and let people get away with stuff, and then when someone questions it, you suggest they seek therapy as well? I get it: there are no laws for evil people who seem to get away with everything, and people questioning injustice would be told, “Your ego is too big?” Do you say the same to someone whose family is being killed and who is demanding justice? Would you say the same Go to therapy, work on yourself and let the killers live their lives? You people don’t even seem to question injustice. I have gotten my answers. The grass is not greener on either side. But yeah there are only two possibilities: either people believe in justice for which there are no laws on earth and for that you have to believe in God or they just swallow their pain and suffer and die. That sounds like the first half of religious people but the only difference is they believe it’s part of God’s plan and they will get justice one day.


r/TrueAtheism • • 9d ago

As an ex Muslim from the Middle East, Western "cultural Christianity" feels more like a political weapon than a faith.

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As a Ex Muslim from the Middle East who now views both religions from the outside, I always find it ironic when Western Christians make fun of Islam. From a neutral standpoint, both rely on faith based premises, though theologically Islam often feels far more internally consistent I don't know if it's because I grew up with that.

What strikes me most, howeve is how christianity is actually used in different places. Having grown up around Middle Eastern and Eastern Christians such as Assyrians, Armenians, Georgians, and Lebanese Christians I've seen communities that genuinely practice their faith live by its teachings, and hold a sincere spiritual connection to God.

In contrast, it feels like much of the West treats Christianity not as a religion to actually practice or worship through, but as a political tool, a cultural identity, and a weapon to use against others and hate anything'different' than them.


r/TrueAtheism • • 9d ago

I need some advice

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Im an atheist, and i guess my family is kinda religous. My mom is making me go to get my confirmation sacrament or whatever its called (my first language isnt english, sorry) and for the next 3 years i will have to go to another religious class on tuesdays (on top of my regular ones every wednesday) and church every sunday, any tips to make my life less miserable during that time?


r/TrueAtheism • • 9d ago

How do we as atheists interpret the phenomenon when someone has a dream which has a fact about a certain person that he didn't know before

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For example, I know someone who wanted to cut down a tree that is over 70 years old, then his brother (who had no idea that the tree was going to be cut down) dreamed about their grandfather, who told him not to cut it down.

Edit: I don't know why you are downvoting me while I am just asking a question


r/TrueAtheism • • 9d ago

Something atheists really need to retire is calling God “sky daddy”

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For a few reasons:

1. It’s inaccurate: Christian apologists don’t tend to describe God as a being in the sky. Many wouldn’t even describe God as “a being,” but rather the Ground of Being itself. Sure, your average uninformed Christian might still conceive of God as being “up there somewhere.” But it’s a waste of time to even engage on that level.

2. It’s counterproductive: In an attempt to ridicule their beliefs, you’re actually only demonstrating your own ignorance. When I was a Christian, I remember hearing atheists call God sky daddy and thinking “Wow, they have no clue what I believe.” It shuts down conversation.

3. It’s cringe & insulting: The name-calling gets old after a while. Be a decent human. It’s not hard.


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

On Declining Debates on the Existence of God

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I recently came across this rather insightful essay from Lucian Greaves, from his Oct. 2 Substack post. Greaves is an atheist, founder of The Satanic Temple, a non-theistic religion that devotes its resources to fighting the Christian Right’s attempted inroads into schools and government. Excerpts:

“Most atheists, I believe, are aware of “Russell’s Teapot.” It is an analogy that was devised by philosopher Bertrand Russell which likens arguing the existence of God to the claim that a teapot orbits the Sun… It is an unfalsifiable claim. There is no credible reason to believe it, but there is no way to disprove it. Arguments, one way or the other, for the existence of the teapot or against it, are rather pointless… While the teapot analogy is often invoked in debates against theism, I have never found it to be particularly striking. Russell’s Teapot does not make me think differently about theism. I do not need to invent other unfalsifiable claims to recognize the lack of evidence for “God,” or to recognize the futility in attempting to prove the nonexistence of something for there is no evidence to begin with. To me, God is already a teapot in space, so to speak, and I find conversations about belief or disbelief in him to be a tedious dead-end. If somebody is to tell me that they believe in God, I feel just as uncompelled to tell them that this is preposterous as I am to try to persuade somebody that they should not believe in the teapot. Surely, they realize that they do not have real evidence for this belief, so their belief must be predicated upon something other than evidence.”

I’m in agreement here. It’s pointless to argue against belief in the spiritual using empirical arguments when spiritual belief isn’t based on empirical evidence. There’s no physical evidence that God exists- God, a non-physical entity, incorporeal, without dimensions, who is everywhere and nowhere. As is explicitly stated in Maimonides as early as the 12th century, and by Okelos the Proselyte a thousand years before him. This is an idea baked into the Judaeo-Christian religion from the outset and those frescoes of God as a bearded old man reclining on a cloud are merely symbolic representations, not meant literally. So pointing out that our telescopes have never spotted him is just silly. Atheists need better arguments.

Lucian Greaves is right, “Arguments for and against the existence of “God” have been endlessly recited, rehashed, and restated. Such debates litter the internet, are fairly predictable, and rarely offer unique insights.” Russell’s teapot dates back to 1952, it’s not the killer argument some would like to think it is. Science vs. religion arguments are pointless when faith isn’t empirical; empiricism is one way of looking at the world, it is not the only way.

Lastly, I have respect for his (backhanded) tolerance:

“I have been invited to debate theists about the relative merits of belief versus non-belief numerous times, and I have always declined, usually with an offer to instead debate something more relevant to the consequences of those beliefs: the merits of secular pluralism versus theocracy. When it comes down to it, I really do not give a shit so much that somebody believes in their god, whichever god that may be.”

https://substack.com/app-link/post?publication_id=1837773&post_id=218582038&utm_source=post-email-title&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=82yr7c&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0ODg3MTAyMDAsInBvc3RfaWQiOjIxODU4MjAzOCwiaWF0IjoxNzkwOTg3MTc4LCJleHAiOjE3OTM1NzkxNzgsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0xODM3NzczIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.ApBI-vq4h5e1uszieFWCxQnDxJQWQgFqiMT8HOJJjXE


r/TrueAtheism • • 12d ago

You praise the faith ,we pay the price

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It is easy to call religion "beautiful" when you live in a secular Western democracy where faith is entirely optional. From the safety of those freedoms, people get to pick and choose what they like, taking the comfort and leaving the control behind. But for those of us living in the Middle East, religion isn't a casual personal choice or an aesthetic it is a dominant social and political reality. Westerners don't have to live with the dogmatic mindsets, the forced compliance, and the systemic pressure it creates day in and day out. Calling a system "beautiful" when you've never had to survive its absolute authority isn't open mindedness it’s a blind spot born from privilege.STOPPPP.


r/TrueAtheism • • 12d ago

The big four

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I can find no compelling answers to the following questions. How can a belief system embraced by 2.4 billion people contain such fundamental fallacies?

**The Problem of Suffering**

If God created everything, he deliberately designed a world where suffering is woven into the fabric of existence. He crafted predators with razor-sharp teeth and crushing jaws, built to tear apart the defenceless. He created parasites that infest human eyes, laying eggs that hatch into worms, devouring a child's vision in a slow, agonizing process.

If God is good, why would he create a world where suffering is necessary for survival? Why would he establish a system where pain is not just incidental but essential? Humans and animals endure agony—not for any higher purpose, but simply because of the mechanics of nature, governed by the unyielding laws of physics.

**The Paradox of Free Will**

If God knows every choice we will ever make, then how can our choices be truly free? If salvation is predetermined, how can we secure it? If God knows the future with absolute certainty, would that not undermine his having free will?

Moreover, how can we be free when belief itself is coerced? We are commanded to have faith under the threat of eternal punishment. How can anyone force themselves to believe something that appears false? Scripture presents a paradox: it demands belief, yet undermines the very freedom it claims to uphold.

**The Mission Dilemma**

What happens to those who have never heard the gospel? Across history, countless millions have lived and died without ever knowing of Jesus or salvation. If God grants them special amnesty, then why evangelize at all? Why put them at risk by revealing a message that forces them into an ultimatum? If they reject it after hearing, they are doomed—meaning the act of evangelism itself may be their undoing.

And if ignorance is no excuse—if they are condemned simply because they never had the chance to believe—where is the justice?

Furthermore, the command to “Go into all the world and preach the gospel” carries practical dangers. Is it moral to expose isolated tribes to foreign diseases that could decimate them, all in the name of spreading a message that may lead to their damnation?

**The Hidden God**

The world looks exactly as one would expect if no God were governing it. We see no divine intervention—no supernatural protection from suffering, no visible hand guiding events. Natural disasters strike indiscriminately, killing thousands. We cry out for answers, but the heavens remain silent.

No one sees God. No one is shielded from random tragedy. Reality unfolds precisely as it would in a world without a guiding force.

Has God abandoned us—or was he never there to begin with?

 


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

Life was so much easier when I believed in God

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Life would be much easier If I believed now.
I would pray, ask for something, and shift half the responsibility onto the shoulders of higher powers.
It is hard to live when you realize that your life depends on your own choices, but mostly on the choices of others.


r/TrueAtheism • • 12d ago

Is the most dumb reason or an intelligent one for belief in god?

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i have a friend who is religious i tried having debates with him for belief in god, he seemed to agree to most of my points like there is a possibility of non existence of god, he also does not like many religious practices but he still follows all the rituals which are followed in his home. At a point i almost converted him to be an agnostic like me. His reason for belief is that a feeling of god provides a comfort and he doesn't even bother about existence he just likes to have a vague idea of something to submit to.


r/TrueAtheism • • 14d ago

Advice on helping stop a local UK cinema becoming a Kenneth Copeland ministry

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I'm looking for advice on how best to stop an international church partner converting our local cinema into a church.

The church in question is a Kenneth Copeland Ministries partner church called Citygate and it's in Beckenham. They already own the building and several other big buildings on the same road, but in order to convert the church to a cinema they need the council to approve a Change of Use.

Does anyone have any experience of how these operate and how best to challenge them? The church itself is a typical bloodsucking, pay to get into heaven, anti-LGBTQ+, televangelist, conservative-type church, and I'd hate to see our local cinema disappear for good to it.

Any and all pointers welcome on how to challenge it, what the local community might be able to do, any tips at all.

Thanks.


r/TrueAtheism • • 13d ago

Religion and Science: Why do people resist we have to choose only one side?

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Isn’t it possible to connect both sides so that they complement each other? We know that the theory of evolution and the Big Bang are true, but why should that exclude the existence of God?

Couldn’t it be that God was responsible for these two events? There must have been something before the Big Bang, according to science. So why can’t we simply assume that the Absolute and Independent is God?


r/TrueAtheism • • 14d ago

THERE IS NO GOD DOES IT MEANS THERE ARE NO EVILS TOO ?

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So its my second post first one idk but was removed by mods no prob may i said anything violating guidance leave it moving to my point that

THERE IS NO GOD SO DOES IT MEANS THERE IS NO EVILS AND BAD ENERGY KIND OF STUFF?

I personally have no take on this please share your words to me
I want to know more on this point for that i have to know more opinions and thoughts ideas to understand it broadly

I AM STILL A YOUNG LEARNER ,NOT A WISE MAN ,, LEARNING FROM LIFE EXPERIENCES .
I WILL BE KIND OF WORDS