I want to first clarify I am not the type of player to abandon adc because he is "bad" and perma roam. In fact my champion Vel'koz prefers to spend more time on bot next to adc and get levels together.

I've been getting a lot better on making game plans before the game even starts including things like how the first waves should play out, what my adc champion identity and game plan is, how to trade with my adc and against theirs and when to roam. But I am a bit indecisive on whether I should leave adc at some point and play the map.

In some lanes it makes a lot of sense to just roam if for example you play with a miss fortune against a millio or a lulu who can't match roams as good. If my adc miss fortune farms safely until level 6 she can be left alone safely. But my problem with that is I end up low level. My champion is first very vulnerable and secondly scales more from levels and not as much from ap. If we don't take fights and win skirmishes I feel like I can't do anything being levels down from enemy solo laners or jungle.

How do you guys feel about one-tricking Nami (solo q ranked)? I love nami but I feel like in low elo she is very difficult to "carry" games on, if your adc has no idea what they are doing, compared to someone like seraphine. BUT I feel like Nami is just also such a well designed champ! I have a high winrate on her if I am able to communicate with my adc but for solo q its so difficult. Im not sure :-(

It's not often but every now and again I come across bruisers as adc or supp. I usually play enchanters. I'm gold.

What do you guys think i should play on soloq? I was dimons month sgo and now plat2 idk how that is even possible... been almost diamond for the wholse season and hit it lile 3 times already. Now i just lose everytame and feel so fucking lost...

I'm a Rakan OTP & I have been stuck in silver for a long while mainly due to my skill, I'm not ashamed of it or anything because it's my skill level but i've been wanting to improve so I can play with my friend who mains ADC more without throwing so i'll appreciate any tips.

The thing I struggle with the most is mainly engaging, especially early on in laning phase. I'm not good at engaging early or properly positioning in a way to where my ADC can get good value. I try to sit upfront or in a bush so that my adc can farm fine & then they have to be wary of my W but most of the time it just doesn't work because I just get poked out. I might seem dumb but I genuinely have no idea what to do there, I usually back up and mess up the entire lane state because of it.

Also, what should I do against ADCs who can just poke out my ADC? Like a caitlyn? I'm not too sure what to do there especially against Caitlyn since she can E my W & her traps always mess up my positoning for engages. My laning phase is actual just diabloical on Rakan, like wayy worse than it should be as a OTP.

I just actually suck at engaging and i'd really appreciate any help that I can get. I really wanna try and get better but my lack of game sense is kinda beating me up, like I never know which comps I can be aggressive into for early game or like when I should be engaging. Usually it is when the enemy used their abilities or are out of position but they're always out of my W range when they use their abilities & if they're out of position, it's always just a lost trade anyway.

This is all probably a skill issue ngl but i'd appreciate any advice / tips I could use that could help me get better.

Context: I am mainly a jungle main since I started playing the game, but my next favorite role is support, specifically roaming ones, I just see them as junglers that don't have to farm chickens, so I play mainly pyke when auto filled because I am obsessed with influencing the map.

Anyways so I am bored of playing PVE in the jungle because I feel lonely.

Now, if there are 2 things I ignorantly hear on reddit about supp role they are that
1) Jungle is the next most important matchup wise after top
2) Jungle is the easiest role mechanically

Now what if I take those 2 points and produce a cursed strategy? unlock every single support in the game and just always pick the right one.

Can someone give me their insights on how much impact does this actually have? Pro players almost ALWAYS pair ezreal karma, mf rell, cait bard, lucian millio, yunara lulu...etc
Some of these are obvious some not so much but why?

If I supposedly have enough knowledge to pilot every single enchanter in the game, does this mean I have a clear edge over a support OTP with mastery? The answer is obvious for every lane but not for support, the role known for being easy (sorry, not my words), not only with pairing but also countering when chance presents itself.

"you can't first time in ranked"
-I have done multiple A-Z runs and played every single champ in the game first time in ranked, I know what they do.

Do you think this is just bad? good for blessing my ADC? good for ranked?

Someone with active, funny commentary and a good editor, minimal dead air. Basically the Alois of support. NOT purely educational or chill and preferably not an OTP.

i watched this video of dantes getting coached by worlds champion COREJJ and i thought it was helpful and gem of a video and could be for others so i wanna share it

- So I finally hit masters in jungle after wayyyy to many years and feel like I've hit my ceiling/looking for a new challenge. I'm not a player that's bothered about high kda, I don't even think I'm mechanically great. I think I just play the macro well.

- Supports always been my secondary role but I don't claim to be good at it at all. I love playing Rakan, but what I'm really looking for is some obscure interesting support ideas that you guys have either tried or theory crafted.

- I don't love playing enchanters, I quite like champions with some cc, or knock up or whatever. I also really love playing aggressive early. Part of the issue I find with support is I'm not good at slow playing a lane 😂 I also frequently play with a friend, so if you have some interesting bot lane combos that would be super cool.

Any help is appreciated! 🙂

It was my first time today and I thought it was pretty neat, figured I'd see if anyone else liked it- https://coachkarakal.com/drafting

Dont mind my pick xD ( also that sound was somthing glitched in the game i think its the tower after being demolished)

Hey folks,

I'm switching back to support after being an adc main for a few years and I wanna build a good champion pool.

First question, how much champ is too much considering I don't play mechanicly intensive champs like Pyke or Thresh ?

I mostly like champions that have simple kits that still allow for a lot of skill expression. My pool right now is :
Alistar (my blind pick or when team need frontline/engage)
Rakan (When team has mobiles skirmishers or when I need to peel against assassins)
Braum/Janna (when we need peel/disengage depending on bot matchup and if team needs some frontline or not)

Do I have most bases / matchups / adc pairing covered with that ? If not what should I add ?

I'm considering adding Renata/Zyra/Poppy as pockets picks as I like these champs and I played them a bunch a while ago (Zyra to play with Cait/Jhin mostly, Renata to play with Varus/Kalista, Poppy to cuck heavy dash teams), is that unnecessary ?

all changes here:

Just say everything that comes to your mind, also jubgle support duos are good. Pref emerald+ and for example i say ashe sera

As an ADC main I just need an answer. I actually cannot remember the last time I saw a shaco support do anything other than lose a game.

They can’t fight bot 2v2 in 99% of matchups if the enemies are competent, he has shit teamfighting, scaling, and is very hard to pilot.

I cannot see any upside or reason to ever lock in the champ support.

Why does he still get picked somewhat frequently it makes no sense to me.

Demoted to emerald 4 off this game, trying to work on my support secondary but keep getting games like this where my adc dies 15+ times, spams their barrier off cd but doesn't get punished. Highest kp in game and my only death was getting farmed in the fountain at end of game. Jg died 12 times and the only other human on my team was the riven but it wasnt enough. What do you do when you get teams like this all day?

I'm just looking for something fun to play while I level my account. Elo's Gold and I'll play any champ

As a support if we get ganked and we are both dying I would sometimes go in deeper while pinging my adc to escape so only one die. But after laning phase I am wondering, would you die to save a teammate? I am talking about getting hooked to trade your life for your teammate or something of equal value.

As a support is your life the least valuable or this will only be worth if said teammate holds a high bounty?

I've been an ADC main ever since I started playing League 3 years ago. I hit Emerald 4 on ADC this season, after finishing last year as Plat 4.

Back in March when I reached Emerald 4 for the first time I was really excited, but little did I know I'd be stuck in E4 all this time since. With almost 300 games played this year I was getting so frustrated being hardstuck. I felt like I often knew what the best play was, but my team wouldn't follow my pings so the play just never happened.

Two weeks ago I finally decided to swap roles to Support. I know botlane matchups really well and I know exactly what ADCs want from a Support, so why not.

At first I played tank engage champs like Nautilus (which I always liked playing with as ADC). I had some success, but overall I felt like I really needed my jungler to play to my setup in lane. Instead, junglers were constantly pathing top even when they had a Naut support bot.

Frustration built up and eventually I just decided to adopt a totally new strategy.

Fuck the conventions. I'm playing to what I think is right, and if I bait my team then I take full responsibility.

This culminated in me dropping tank champs for agile playmakers like Camille, Pyke, and Pantheon. The key point about these champs is their early game burst damage potential, their CC, and their ability to put ignite to good use.

The strat:

Every game where my toplaner isn't AFK in fountain, I immediately ping to fight top and walk into the top bush. I wait for the first wave to arrive and then I cheese the unsuspecting enemy toplaner. These people got so used to their lane being an island, they never expect this. I don't even need to get their flash or kill them, just chunking them to 50% is enough and it's almost always guaranteed. My toplaner is instantly set up for success in the early game, even in a losing matchup, the kill pressure from the enemy toplaner is instantly vanished. Plus, if I do burn the enemy toplaner's flash, I'll just come regank in 4 minutes, for a potential dive or another big chunk of their hp.

Immediately after chunking the toplaner, I walk back into an unwarded bush, press B, and walk botlane. I recall in the bush to keep zoning the enemy toplaner since they can't tell if I stayed or not. Keep in mind if we stay we leech the toplaner's xp, so you either stay and wait for the all-in, or leave immediately.

At this point it's around 1:50 game time and hopefully your ADC respected the 1v2 and didn't die. Out of 15 games where I did this, I only had one game where my ADC died before I arrived to lane at 2:10, and it was an autofilled ADC anyway. So no loss there.

When I get back bot I focus on gathering xp and hitting lvl 2. You will get level 2 before the enemy laners hit level 3, this is your timer to look for an all in if the matchup allows for it, or at least to chunk the enemy adc. Trade your hp for theirs! If you know you can get out after engaging, and that the enemy botlane have little to no engage, go for it, even if its an overall losing trade on your hp.

Waste your flash if you have to. i take hexflash on camille and pantheon so it's not a huge loss for me to be without it. Again, depends on the matchup too, you may need flash to get on top of them, in which case keep it.

From here on out we just play the lane. If you successfully traded hp with the adc, your adc will actually be able to farm with the pressure you just created. This means they catch back up in farm, and you are able to get wave priority.

Around scuttle timer, ping your adc to set up the wave so it crashes. Remember, your jungler is boosted, but so is the enemy jungler. So they both will make a suicide play for the scuttle fight, and if you're there, winning that fight is basically guaranteed.

We then recall, preferably on the same timer as the adc after crashing the wave.

Now we have a timer for roams while the botlane wave is pushing back into our tower. If the enemy toplaner is without flash, it will be the easiest kill of your life and you should run there immediately. However, you should also pay attention to what your boosted jungler is doing after their recall. They might go for an invade so you have to hover them too. At this point if there is ANY action on the map, I completely forget botlane exists and full force the fights. I am running ignite with HoB, this is my time to shine.

After some fighting- which hopefully, if you were playing like a minimum of a sub human you should have won (i have 0 mastery on pyke, camille and pantheon, i am not mechanically good on these champs). You should now head back botlane. Time to leech some xp from your masochist adc who was 1v2 in lane for the past four minutes.

We don't only leech the xp though, we give some value back in the form of pressure. Remember we are playing bullshit champs that just trade on the adc with high brust and very little counterplay. Leech xp, trade your hp for the enemy adc's hp, recall. Basically i do this until a minimum of lvl 6. Here you make a decision, if your adc has some kills on them and the rest of the map is neutral or not doing so good, just stay botlane, as much as I hate staying botlane, it's a gamble playing for anyone else especially if in the eight minutes since the match started they already managed to prove that they are not very good at the game.

But lets assume your strat worked and your team is ahead (this is 80% of games), once I have my levels I just perma roam again. Don't forget to get a ward or two in bot river for your adc so they can at least walk up to the wave alone. Note that in team fights I am the engage and I will die if I need to. i am a few levels under everyone in the lobby at this point, and assuming i haven't ks'd any kills, my kda and gold are terrible. At this point i just keep trading my life to save a teammate, or get a teammate kills in return. I'll literally take a hook for someone on pyke even though i will get immediately one shotted. This includes coming back to botlane every once in a while and getting my adc a kill in return for my death just so it keeps them relevant.

As soon as I started picking pyke, camille, and pantheon, I started versing almost exclusively against threshes and lulus. They don't understand my time in lane will be very short, so they basically counterpicked nothing. They have limited mobility and can't match my roams, they mostly afk sit in botlane and watch how they are slowly losing the game. Sometimes they try to match your roams, and this is when you can set up a trap and catch them when they are rotating.

I end my games around 2-3 levels under their support, with a horrible kd like 2/10/23 on pyke. I suck mechanically at my champs, but none of that matters. Their toplane is tilted since the first minute, their jungler is always at a numbers disadvantage. My adc is finally at 3 items, game is over.

For the doubters, all of my recent games:

https://www.op.gg/summoners/eune/MaxEotp-111*\*

TL;DR: I'm a disabled Silver/Gold support player who mains AP Miss Fortune because her movement speed helps compensate for my slow reactions. I play with a locked camera, roam a lot and focus heavily on vision. I regularly get flamed and threatened with reports just for picking MF, sometimes before the game even starts. I recently got a 30-day ban for "disruptive gameplay", but Riot won't tell me which specific decisions got me banned, even after two appeals. I know my macro isn't great, and I'm genuinely asking other support players to look at my match and tell me what I'm doing wrong. Making bad decisions is one thing, but is it really intentional griefing?

I need some honest opinions from other support players because at this point I genuinely don't know what the fuck I'm doing wrong.

I'm a Silver/Gold level support player. I mostly play AP Miss Fortune, sometimes Lux. I'm better on Lux, but I enjoy MF a lot more.

There's a reason I play her.

I have a severe disability that affects my reactions and how quickly I can respond to things happening in game. I'm not mechanically good. I play with a locked camera because that's simply easier for me to handle.

MF's movement speed helps me a lot. I can get around the map quickly, reposition, poke people with E, place wards and generally be useful without needing amazing mechanics.

I'm not trying to climb to Diamond or pretend I'm some genius support player. I just want to enjoy the game. League is actually the only game I play.

My playstyle is pretty simple. I roam a lot, sometimes probably too much. I go mid, top, invade with or pressure the enemy jungler, help with objectives and try to make life miserable for the enemy team.

I also focus heavily on vision. In most of my games I end up with one of the highest vision scores, often the highest in the entire match. You can check my match history.

That's how I try to compensate for my bad mechanics.

But playing MF support has been a fucking nightmare when it comes to teammates.

I've lost count of how many times someone has started insulting me in champion select just because I locked in Miss Fortune.

Sometimes people immediately announce they're reporting me. Sometimes they refuse to cooperate or help me because they think MF support is trolling.

The game hasn't even started and apparently I've already ruined it.

During games it's not much better. I roam mid and someone gets pissed off. I pressure the enemy jungler and he starts flaming me. I keep going top to poke and annoy the enemy top laner and suddenly he wants to report me too.

I've seen teammates asking the enemy team to report me, with some opponents agreeing.

Sometimes people repeatedly claim they're reporting me and paste messages saying Riot received their reports.

I don't know how many actual reports that translates into, obviously.

Here's the part that really bothers me.

After an earlier punishment, I played a lot of matches with my chat restricted. I couldn't type in champion select or during the game.

I couldn't even tell my ADC that I was going AP MF.

I couldn't explain what I was doing or why I was roaming.

And I was still getting insulted and threatened with reports, despite not being able to say anything back.

I have no way of knowing whether those players were punished, but it certainly didn't stop happening.

Anyway, here's why I'm posting.

I recently got a 30-day suspension for "disruptive gameplay".

I appealed twice. Riot said they reviewed it twice and that the punishment was correct. They also told me further tickets about the ban would be automatically closed.

The problem is that they haven't told me which actual gameplay decisions were considered intentional griefing.

So I downloaded the match data through Riot's API and tried to work it out myself.

Here's the match:

EUNE - MaxEotp#111

Match ID: EUN1_4013073691

OP.GG: https://www.op.gg/summoners/eune/MaxEotp-111

I was AP Miss Fortune support.

We lost 10-40 in kills in roughly 26 minutes.

I finished 0/1/3, with 14,471 champion damage, 85 vision score and 32 wards placed. I also helped secure three Void Grubs.

And yeah, I had 98 CS.

I know. That's a shitload of farm for a support.

We were getting absolutely destroyed and I started clearing waves to slow down pushes, protect towers and get whatever resources I could.

But maybe that's part of what I'm doing wrong.

Maybe I'm taking farm I shouldn't be taking. Maybe I'm leaving my ADC alone too often. Maybe I'm focusing too much on vision and side lanes instead of staying with my team.

That's what I want other support players to tell me.

There are two situations from this match I'd particularly like opinions on.

First one, around 20 minutes.

I was pushing bot with Varus while the rest of our team was defending elsewhere.

Three teammates died at 20:06, 20:07 and 20:16.

We destroyed the enemy bot turret at 20:28, but the enemy team pushed mid and destroyed our inhibitor shortly afterwards.

My thinking was that we were already so far behind that taking an enemy turret was better than going back to fight fed opponents and probably dying too.

Was that a terrible call?

Should a support ALWAYS go back and defend in that situation, even when the team is massively behind?

Second situation, around 22 minutes.

Varus was pushing top and both our Nexus turrets were still standing.

I tried to join him with Teleport so we could put pressure on top again. From what I remember, he started heading back after I'd already committed to the TP.

I wanted to get some vision around Baron too.

Hecarim caught me in the upper river at 22:45 and killed me.

That was my only death of the match.

Should I have stayed in base? Was going toward Baron completely stupid? Was trying to split the map with Varus a bad idea?

I'm genuinely asking.

I know 0/1/3 isn't some incredible support score. I know that dying only once doesn't necessarily mean I played well. I might have avoided fights I should have joined.

And I know that getting 85 vision score doesn't mean much if I'm not actually helping my team when they need me.

But I'm trying to understand the difference between playing badly and intentionally trying to lose.

I have my limitations. I sometimes react too slowly, I probably make bad calls and I don't always understand what the best macro decision is.

That's why I'm Silver/Gold.

I just don't understand why those mistakes would mean I'm deliberately ruining games.

I've had previous suspensions too, and that makes this even more frustrating because I still don't know what exact behavior I'm supposed to change.

So I'd really appreciate some actual support advice.

Am I roaming way too much as AP MF?

Should I stop taking side waves completely, even when we're losing hard?

Is my idea of trading objectives fundamentally wrong?

Is AP MF support itself a problem, or is it more about how I'm playing her?

And if you look at that match and think I played like absolute shit, that's fine. Tell me.

I'm not looking for people to tell me I'm secretly good at the game.

I'd just rather have someone explain what I'm doing wrong than keep getting told I'm intentionally trolling without knowing why.

I really enjoy playing AP MF support. The movement speed and playstyle work well with my disability, and I'm trying to be useful in the ways I actually can.

I don't need to be an amazing player. I just want to play the game without constantly worrying that every bad call or unconventional pick is going to get me reported.

So yeah. Any advice from people who actually know the support role would be appreciated.