r/Lyme • • Dec 31 '24

Mod Post Chronic Lyme Q&A - What To Do When Symptoms Don't Improve

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Hello everyone,

Over the course of 2024, I’ve been tracking the most frequently asked questions from those new to the chronic Lyme community. To provide clear and reliable answers, I’ve compiled insights from leading Lyme experts—including ILADS, LLMD's like Dr. Horowitz or Marty Ross, and online resources like LymeDisease.org—along with thoughtful contributions from the most consistent and knowledgeable members here on r/Lyme.

While the wiki already contains a wealth of valuable information, I believe a concise collection of the most popular questions and answers will benefit everyone. This resource aims to streamline the support available in this forum, making it easier for newcomers to find the help they need.

The resource will be located here, at the top of the main Wiki page. The rest of the Wiki is of course still active and can be found here.

On desktop, there will be a table of contents at the top where you can click each question and it will automatically bring you to the answer. Unfortunately, Reddit has not enabled this function on it's mobile app, so you will need to scroll through the entire page to find the question you are looking for. I separated each question out with line breaks, so hopefully it won't be too hard to navigate on mobile.

I’m confident in the quality of the information provided here, with over 30 Microsoft Word pages of detailed content ensuring comprehensive coverage.

If you are brand new to r/Lyme please read question 20 so you know how to interact appropriately in this space and if you're interested in reading my (admittedly insanely passionate) deep dive into alternative treatments, be sure to check out Question 18.

I hope this resource proves as helpful as I’ve intended it to be. If you have any additional questions you believe should be added or have additional insights to the current answers, please comment below.

Here is the list of current questions:

  1. What is chronic Lyme?

  2. I’m still sick with symptoms after treatment, what should I do first?

  3. I see people commenting that LLMDs are a scam and they are trying to take advantage of you for profit. How do I know who to trust?

  4. I can’t afford an LLMD, what else can I do?

  5. Why is there so much conflicting information?

  6. Can Lyme disease develop resistance to antibiotics?

  7. What is the timeline to get better?

  8. I’m getting worse/feel weird while taking antibiotics or herbals, is it not working?

  9. My stomach is upset when taking doxycycline, what should I do?

  10. What diet should I eat, and does it matter?

  11. Should I retest after I finish my course of antibiotics?

  12. My doctor doesn’t believe that Chronic Lyme exists. What can I show him to prove that it does?

  13. I’ve seen people say IGENEX is not a reliable lab. Is this true?

  14. I have a negative test but some positive bands on my western blot test. Every doctor is telling me it’s a negative and can’t be Lyme.

  15. Is Lymescience.org a legit website?

  16. People have said there is no evidence showing efficacy of long-term antibiotics for chronic Lyme. Is this true?

  17. The cdc says people with “post treatment Lyme” get better after 6 months without additional treatment, is that true?

  18. I’ve heard people say alternative treatments (Herbals, Rife, Homeopathy, Ozone, Bee Venom etc.) are pseudoscience? Is that true?

  19. I’ve heard supplements and herbs are poorly regulated and I shouldn’t take them because I don’t know for sure what’s in them.

  20. How to use r/Lyme and online forums in general


r/Lyme • • Dec 17 '23

Mod Post Just Bit? **Read This**

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Welcome to r/Lyme! This post is a general overview of Lyme disease and guidelines for people who have just been bitten by a tick.

Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be medical advice. Please seek the help of a medical professional if necessary.

What is Lyme Disease?

Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne illness in the U.S., caused by Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia mayonii. It’s usually transmitted by blacklegged ticks (also known as deer ticks).

Early symptoms include:

  • Fever
  • Headache
  • Fatigue
  • Erythema migrans (bullseye rash) – note: up to 60% of people never develop a rash

If untreated, the infection can spread to the heart, joints, and nervous system, potentially leading to chronic illness and long-term complications.

What to Do If You Were Just Bitten

1. Test the Tick (if you still have it)
Send it to: https://www.tickcheck.com/
This identifies which infections the tick carried and can guide treatment decisions. If you no longer have the tick, just move on to the next steps.

2. Check for a Bullseye Rash
If you're unsure what it looks like, see this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/identify/

Important: If you have a bullseye rash, you have Lyme disease. No further testing is needed. Start treatment.

3. Review the ILADS Treatment Guidelines
https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

Summary of ILADS recommendations:

  • If bitten but asymptomatic: 20 days of doxycycline is recommended (assuming no contraindications)
  • If rash or symptoms are present: 4–6 weeks of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime is recommended

Why ILADS and Not CDC/IDSA Guidelines?

This is one of the most important parts of understanding Lyme treatment. The CDC and IDSA guidelines are still followed by the majority of U.S. physicians, but they are deeply flawed and outdated in several key ways.

Here’s why ILADS guidelines are preferred by most Lyme-literate doctors and patients:

1. They rely on incomplete or irrelevant data
The CDC/IDSA recommendations are based heavily on European studies, even though the strains of Lyme in Europe (B. afzelii, B. garinii) are different from those in the U.S. (B. burgdorferi). This matters because treatment responses can vary between strains.

Of the studies referenced in CDC guidelines:

  • Only 6 U.S. trials were used to form the treatment tables
  • Many tables relied exclusively on European data
  • Duration recommendations were based on trials with high failure or dropout rates

For example:

  • One U.S. study had a 49% dropout rate (Wormser et al.)
  • Another had a 36% failure rate, with many needing retreatment

Yet these studies are used to support recommendations of just 10–14 days of antibiotics.

2. They ignore patient-centered outcomes
The CDC guidelines focus primarily on eliminating the rash (erythema migrans), not on whether the patient actually recovers or regains quality of life.

The ILADS guidelines, on the other hand, emphasize:

  • Return to pre-Lyme health status
  • Prevention of long-term symptoms
  • Patient quality of life
  • Lower rates of relapse and re-infection

CDC-based treatment often leaves people partially treated and still symptomatic, leading to chronic illness.

3. Their recommended durations are too short
The CDC recommends:

  • 10 days of doxycycline
  • 14 days of amoxicillin or cefuroxime

These durations are often not enough, especially if the bacteria have already spread beyond the skin. ILADS argues—and research supports—that longer treatment courses are more effective at fully clearing the infection, especially in the early stages when treatment is most critical.

4. High failure rates in real-world outcomes
Studies show that even patients treated under CDC protocols continue to experience symptoms months later. For instance:

A 2013 observational study found that 33% of EM patients still had symptoms 6 months after a standard 21-day course of doxycycline:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-012-0126-6

Conclusion: ILADS guidelines are based on more recent evidence, use better clinical metrics (like symptom resolution), and are tailored to reflect the real-world experiences of Lyme patients in the U.S.

For a detailed breakdown and sources:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/10/7/754#B15-antibiotics-10-00754

Recommended Treatment Durations

  • Mild cases (e.g. one EM rash): Minimum 20 days of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime
  • More severe cases (multiple rashes, neuro symptoms): 4–6 weeks of antibiotics
  • Still symptomatic after treatment? Re-treatment is supported by 7 of 8 U.S. trials

Getting Treatment

Many doctors are still unfamiliar with ILADS protocols and may only offer 10–21 days of antibiotics.

Here’s what you can do:

  • Bring a printout of the ILADS guidelines
  • Be firm but respectful—explain why longer treatment matters
  • If refused, monitor your symptoms and seek further care if needed
  • Be prepared to advocate for yourself—many people with Lyme had to

If you continue to have symptoms, you may need to see a Lyme-literate medical doctor (LLMD):
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/treatment/doctors/

Testing

Testing can be useful, but it has major limitations:

  • Antibody tests are unreliable in the first 4–6 weeks
  • Negative test does not rule out Lyme
  • The CDC two-tiered system was developed for diagnosing Lyme arthritis, not other types of presentations like neurological or psychiatric symptoms

More info:

Best labs (not usually covered by insurance):

If you’re just starting out, a basic Lyme panel from LabCorp or Quest is a good first step—50% of true Lyme cases may still test positive and it’s cheaper than specialty labs.

The specialty tests listed above with co-infection panels are mostly recommended for people who have had symptoms for months or years without treatment and regular doctors are unable to figure out what is wrong.

More testing info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/testing/

Additional questions:

Don’t hesitate to make a post explaining your situation.
This community is full of people who’ve been through the same thing—and want to help.

Many of us were misdiagnosed for years.
The purpose of this sub is to prevent others from going through the same experience.

Don’t be afraid to speak up, advocate for yourself, and push for better care.


r/Lyme • • 7h ago

Help Bartonella Crisis

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I’m currently treating Bartonella with Rifampin (300mg twice daily) and Clarithromycin (500mg twice daily). My doctor wants me to add Tinidazole 500mg, pulsed 3 days on and 4 days off.
I’m honestly really scarsd to. I have POTS symptoms and still struggle with severe fatigue, weakness, and neurological symptoms. Some days I can barely get out of bed, so I’m scared adding another antibiotic will make things worse.
Has anyone been on this combination or had similar concerns before starting Tinidazole? How did you tolerate it? I’m scared


r/Lyme • • 2h ago

Rant Seed tick bites and flu like symptoms after 2 weeks of doxy

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Added I tested positive for the beef and lamb alpha-gal on day 8 but negative for the pcr panel. I know some may not be accurate due to timing, but I think Lyme is transmitted by a different tick than alpha-gal. I just feel so dizzy, nauseated, weak, sore, and beyond fatigued. I see so many specialists and they all say it's not in their lane. Emory doctors are not my favorite. I have Addison's(so steroids daily to live) celiac, venous insufficiency in my legs, had a hysterectomy and 4 hour adhelyoliosis 6 months ago, and I have a 4090ms reflux at my groin junction right where all these tick bites were yet they all think it's not something to worry about.


r/Lyme • • 4h ago

TESTING LYME & CO (IGG, IGM) - No Specialty Testing Available

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I've been suffering classic debilitating symptoms (chronic migraines and head pressure, vertigo, hand and feet numbness, heart palpitations, dyspepsia, much more) for 7+ yrs.

Where im located, they can perform Lyme & Bartonella (IGG, IGM) testing.

Is this type of test worth it? Or skip entirely?

THANKS! In advanced.


r/Lyme • • 14h ago

Question Herxheimer reaction at increased medication?

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So I’ve been bed bound with what I thought was long COVID for the past 10 months, recently saw a LLMD and she suggested it could actually be lymes disease. I’m gonna have some blood tests done in a couple of weeks but she’s put me on minocycline in the lead up.

For the first week I was on 100mg a day which was fine, I felt a bit more tired but my headaches got a lot better. I then went up to 2 x 100mg a day evenly spaced, felt ok for the first 12 hours then started having big time fatigue, high heart rate, mild fever, and anxiety. I went back down to single dose for a day and the symptoms got better so I tried going back to double and they came back again.

Does this sound like a herxheimer reaction? And will the 1 x 100mg a day be sufficient to still impact the lymes?


r/Lyme • • 17h ago

Support Suspected Babesia (Odocoilei)

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I got bit 3.5 months ago. Had severe acute symptoms, fever, head pressure, drenching night sweats, and the worst of which, extreme insomnia. That first week was 5 sleepless nights in a row. Landed me in the ER, had positive IgM Lyme test.

Because of the sweats and insomnia I got on Atovaquone and Azithromycin for 10 days, alongside Doxy for 6 weeks. Felt better for a few weeks until I hit a relapse off meds.

I’ve been back on them, Malarone, Azithromycin, and Doxy for 8 weeks. On week 7 now. Currently still have terrible insomnia and air hunger for a while now. Some nights I don’t sleep at all, even on Trazadone, Gabapentin, and Melatonin.

Decided to seek a LLMD, James Thatcher in Wisconsin. He’s ramping me up to take: Ivermectin, Plaquenil, Baikal Skullcap, Samento, Artemesinin, and Boluoke.

The Babesia Microti test just came back negative so now I’m super worried I have Odocoilei (Live in Wisconsin)

Does anyone have advice? What do you think of the new treatment protocol? My Dr does not have access to Tafenoquine and can test through Igenex but not T Labs.


r/Lyme • • 16h ago

Just got diagnosed for Lyme

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Found a bullseye rash this morning that didn’t itch. Took a picture and sent it to my PCP who told me I have Lyme and prescribed an antibiotic for 14 days because I had symptoms I was not aware were caused by Lyme (headaches, night sweats, dizziness, nausea and joint pain).

Anything I should look out for?

I have a small rotator cuff partial tear and a pinched nerve in my back. How do I tell whether my pain is due to that or Lyme?


r/Lyme • • 23h ago

Need LLMD to treat Babesia in New England with herbs + RX meds

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I’ve already seen Dr. B in Ashford, CT and Dr. S in Bridgeport CT. Neither could help me. I need an LLMD who will put me on the actual recommended doses for these meds and not a lowered dose.

Open to anyone within 2 hours of central CT.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Is the name why people don’t take us seriously?

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this is a bit more of a silly/random thing that crossed my mind today I thought you all might appreciate. do you think people in our lives may not take our symptoms and challenges as seriously because our disease has such a silly name? like cancer is almost a powerful name id that makes sense. Parkinson’s. MS. But then were like… a fruit LOL. what do you guys think?


r/Lyme • • 22h ago

Question Anyone had any vascular damage?

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Stop faux médecin Humankindwellbeing / Andréa Fernandez Indulsky

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question AHCC experiences?

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Does anyone use ahcc and noticed any difference?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Starting Buhner

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Hey all,

I’m about to start the Buhner protocol and am realizing there’s a tricky thing to it —

He suggests ranges of possible dosages, but emphasizes that this is a very individual process where you kind of have to deduce for yourself how you react to each herb.

Makes sense, but if you’re on 6 or 10 herbs at once, how are you supposed to tell which herb may be causing which symptom/reaction? That’s a lot of variables, hard to determine cause and effect, no?

Do people tend to start on 1-2 herbs at a time, get a sense for them, then slowly add the others? Or start at the absolute lowest dose of everything, then gradually go up in dosage across the board? Even that latter option seems prone to a lack of clarity as to what’s causing what effect…

Thanks in advance —


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Image Tick bite? Spoiler

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Is this a tick bite? I didn’t see/feel any tick


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Finally found a decent source

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I’ve been using regular cistus for months mainly due to the inability to find a good source and to be honest I think that’s why I haven’t really seen a change. Anyways fast forward to 2 weeks ago I discovered this wild picked organic cistus from the rocky eastern parts of Crete and it’s finally arrived!

I know polyphenol content is key when it comes to cistus and after taking a look at this cistus compared to my old batch it really shows. The crystalline structures are crazy on this one lol.

I’ve heard people tel me biopure or ki science is the best but I don’t think that’s true. The reason those are deemed the best is because MOST Cistus aren’t wild picked and aren’t exposed to arid harsh conditions so anything that realistically fits those criteria can be deemed “the best”.

What dose should I start at for let’s say a 1 litre batch of tea.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question What helped you the most for Babesia?

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What helped you the most for Babesia? I found about tinctures and others such as:

- Cryptolepis

- Oregano Oil

-Garlic/Garlic etheric oil

Im curious about your story, Thanks for all comments


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question False negative test? Started Doxy

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Hello! Would love a bit of advice because I’ve seen two GPs who haven’t been able to give much outside of NHS standard protocol.

Context overall is that the last few weeks have also been a period of extreme stress, I take an SSRI and have had long covid until I pretty much recovered around 10 months ago.

Timeline:

12 September: Bitten by 4 ticks (roughly poppy seed size, one was larger maybe nymph size and completely flat - all likely on me ~24 hours). Removed with tweezers

Around 22 September: no rash, felt unusually exhausted, called GP, ordered blood test.

28 September: blood test, result next day negative. Experiencing brain fog

3 October: Very stressful day, still fatigued, started experiencing brain tingling and bad headaches

8 October: Headaches and tingling not going away, concerned about Lyme, no visible rash. Had neck stiffness and soreness but not to the extent that I can’t bend down my head. Started a 21 day doxycycline course as GP couldn’t assure me either way.

I feel pretty confused about all of this, and worried about getting another chronic illness after somehow managing to mostly recover from long covid.

Could these symptoms be Lyme or the other things ticks can pass on without the rash?

Is it worth trying to see a Lyme specialist?

When would it make sense to do a second blood test?

Thank you!!


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Lyme test came back negative

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I did the galaxy 3 day triple draw and my results came back negative. I feel discouraged as I’ve been trying to find an answer to all my symptoms that I’ve been dealing with for years and still can’t get help. My symptoms include hair loss in patches and diffuse on scalp, eyebrow, and beard area, burning mouth, popping jaw, numbness in hands and feet, stiff neck and arthritis, anxiety, depression, brain fog, fatigue. Don’t know where to go from here but appreciate any advice.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Image Is this consistent with a lyme rash? Spoiler

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appeared yesterday morning and didn’t get the circular red around it until this morning - really itchy and hot to the touch


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question False positive after a few months?

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I had a suspect rash on my inner thigh in May, and since I get bitten by ticks all the time, I went to doctor who gave me antibiotics (10 days doxy) over the phone. Became quite ill (deep fatigue, and intense head, neck and shoulder pain) but when I saw the doctor a few days later she dismissed my rash as a friction burn but advised me to get a blood test 6 weeks later.

The whole interaction was a bit off and I got the feeling she thought I was anxious about being bitten by a tick, not realising I’m bitten all the time and was just concerned about the rash (and by that point, all the pain). I have a tendency to minimise my ill health and by the time 6 weeks rolled around I’d talked myself out of it being Lymes, probably just chub rub and a sinus infection.

In September, I needed to go in to get my iron checked and the nurse flagged I was still due a Lymes test so she took bloods for that too. Just found out it came out positive but the doctor says because it’s been over 3 months it could well be a false positive.

Is that likely? I’m sort thinking with the rash, the pain and the positive test that it seems pretty conclusive? Ive received treatment and I’m fine now, so probably doesn’t matter too much, I’d just like to know.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question How do you know you have Lyme?

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How did you all figure out you had Lyme?

I am diagnosed with small fiber neuropathy, gastroporesis, dysautonomia, raynauds.

I doubt it is to do with Lyme but need to rule it out. I've had many tests including recently an in depth virbrant Lyme test. Is that enough? I heard common tests aren't that good and have a lot of false negatives.

But all PCRs are negative so I'm good, right? What Dr would i need to see for this and is there one that's not super expensive?


r/Lyme • • 2d ago

Neuro brain detox supplements

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My only symptoms are Neuro symptoms and I can’t find any supplements that actually clear my brain and work

I have tried the following: liposomal glutathione, burber pinella, dandelion, NAC, curcumin, broccoli extract , lemon, ACZ zeolite spray, Epsom salt bath, and more.

Any suggestions? Will try anything at this point.


r/Lyme • • 2d ago

Anyone try bladder ozone insufflation

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Doing my first session soon.


r/Lyme • • 2d ago

Thymosin Alpha 1 Experiences & Dosing

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Hi everyone. I'm going to be starting thymosin alpha 1, and my doctor has me doing the full 1.5 mg dose twice per week right off the bat. Normally I'd be fine with that, but I think I've read other comments where people said they started low and gradually increased. If you've tried it, did you start at 1.5 mg? What was your full dose? Did it help you, particularly with immune tolerance/inflammation?