Yeah it takes a bit for mods to get to stuff sometimes. Looks like this sub only has 7. One of those is likely just an administrative bot. People need to just report stuff and let the process play out before flipping a lid over it.
The Guard would love to have Siege Tank as their close range fire support.
Using HotS opening cinematic, Siege Tank seems don’t have that much range compared to standard artillery, but it exchanged for serious damage and fast reloading.
I hope that shit gets removed ASAP. It is the most blatantly against the rules. Their argument is that "Warhammer draws a lot if inspiration from religion" as if warhammer doesn't go out of it's way to actively shit on and mock the concept of religion at every opportunity
The poster boy of Warhammer 40k is a reddit atheist. I don't know how much more on the nose you can get without spelling it outright in the first paragraph.
It makes no sense to compare religion in 40k with real life religion anyways because last time i checked in real life there is no daemons causing any and all divine miracles in history so the anti-religious sentiments of the Emperor follow a completely different logic than anti-religious sentiments in real life. The difference is that the Emperor knows he is right (he literally sees the demonic influence on any religious leader in history so he has proof)
Kamikaze literally translates to “divine wind”, and harkens back to the typhoons in the 13th century that protected Japan from Mongol invasion by destroying or blowing off course the incoming fleets. Imperial Japan also deified the emperor, all the way up to 1946.
This entire post and anyone making fun of the person that posted the prayer thing is also breaking that rule by that logic...
Feels like thats not what the rule was for but whatever, its not my subreddit so if I catch a temp ban or the comment is removed so be it, thats a valid action.
I'd like to distanse myself from those with the more extreme takes here.
I'm non religious but still treat religious people like people, unlike some in this comment thread.
This guy knew what he was doing, his comments were aaaaall ragebait level frustrating, he came to either push a message and then fain ignorance or he was blatently trolling, either way it had to be highlighted.
There is no place in this sub for name calling, harassment, sexism, racism, transphobia, witch-hunting, et cetera. Do not post hateful, demeaning, or disparaging content about other users on the basis of their race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, disability, etc.
Yes, calling people who believe in miracles and demons "zealotic fuckwits" is in fact a violation of rule 2. Unless you're arguing that calling people "zealotic fuckwits" isn't demeaning, or name calling, or disparaging on the basis of religion.
Lorgar was technically correct about the fact that humanity as long as they are mortal needs a moral compass and something to quell their fears of the uncertainty of tomorrow. And if the Emperor was willing to banish religion as a concept he should have taken that mantle since he could if he cared.
The problem with this is that the Emperor is not a caring individual at all and doesn’t give a damn about singular individuals.
The second problem was Lorgar went to find alternatives of the worst kind.
I think someone put it best, The Emperor cared about 'Humanity' like as a big picture thing but he doesn't actually give a shit about 'humans' because he has never really been one.
No, you can't but that is how the Emperor thinks. He loves the idea of humanity but doesn't love humanity itself...which is what caused all these fucking problems in the first place.
It's like people who love the idea of sustainable energy via windfarms etc. but the moment their view of green rolling hills was threatened, they kick up a fuss.
Which explains why his Imperium uses wave tactics, human/child sacrifices. He has zero love for humans. But because he is a self-proclaimed atheist and it’s “science” its all ok.
The Emperor was lying about him not worshipping to any deities. He worships himself. Openly.
How can you even love humanity when you can't even love a single one of them? Or do you just love controlling a mass of humans? If it's the latter, you are either a dictator or a cult leader. Or both in the venn diagram.
Lorgar probably should have made friends with Vulcan/Russ/Magnus/Fulgrim/Guilliman or gathered up to ask about this problem. Because these 5 likes humans.
I mean it's quite clear that the Emperor was basically both in the venn diagram but he thought he knew how things would go and that he was right, that it had to be his way for humanity to succeed and possibly ascended beyond the mortal coil...or something...we don't actually really know what his end goal was, there's hints that it's a human ascension project or something...moving everyone to the Webway maybe...I don't know...
The Emperor *did* try to replace it, with the Imperial Truth. He wanted to make it secular. Even what he told the Primarchs of Chaos was just "They're basically just xenos but in the warp, don't worry about it, nothing 'supernatural' really.", attempting to inoculate them against the idea of them as powerful gods. His reasoning behind the Imperial Truth and the Great Crusade was to create something, a structure and ongoing project, in the form of the Imperium for humanity to believe in and divert them from the warp, while trying to structurally isolate humanity from dependence on warp technology. There's a reason why, when they felt their job was nearly done, the Primarchs faltered and became vulnerable to doubt and Chaos.
Well, "try" is a overstatement. He did it at gunpoint. Nobody had a choice or chance. And also the worst part of it, it doesn't alleviate one's fear at all when he is conscripting them by the billions and making extremely painful live human sacrifices to the astronomican.
I say a great philosopher and mind can convince someone without power. What is Emps without it? His immortality, psychic powers and brainwashing by the biological/genetic level?
Would anyone believe him? I say without his power he is acting like a cult leader that utilizes human sacrifices and militia.
What do you think religions are? The promise of divine wrath/reincarnation as a worm if you're bad and disobedient is a core of world religions since time immemorial - terrible karma and hell are celestial 'at gunpoints'. A great philosopher cannot convince through argument someone who is either not willing to listen or unable to comprehend complex arguments. Even the most just laws passed by states have the threat of state violence backing them up. All these are problems faced by us now in our debates, dialogues, and attempts at social and technological progression.
Eh not really. Unlike in this universe, gods in 40k are objectively real. Like people have seen and interacted with them. Faith has objective power as well. I get that he was trying to starve the gods, but that plan was realistically never going to work. It probably wouldve been better to have some form of controlled Imperial religion with Gods to counter the Chaos Gods instead of pretending they dont exist when they can easily prove that they do
Which was Lorgars plan initially before the Emps hit him with the big stick and torched his prized city as 'punishment', which resentment then causes Lorgar to find other things...
Dude could not comprehend that his plan might not be the best way the same why he couldn't be bothered to sort the friendly Xenos from the aggressive Xenos because that would have taken too long, so he just had all of them that got in the way killed, leaving every other Xenos species that survived hate humanity or was tough enough to bounce back and already hated humanity (and everyone else) anyway.
Please don't make Big E out to be morally right here.
I am friends and family with religious people and they exist like everyone elsewithout doing what this asshole does.
Normal everyday people that believe in religion, aren't out here pushing the message, pissing people off. In fact they tend to be nicer, more caring people in my experience.
They respect me, I respect them, its simple.
When someones being a twat like this guy, you call it out, but don't blanket everyone in with him please.
When you stop treating religious people as people, your just as bad than any religious extremists, its not cool.
I would never underestimate a Bible thumpers want to preach. I got one on the corner screaming their head off about oppressed they are on the corner right now. But, I view this as futile because the next level would be going to a support group for people who escaped Christianity and telling them how wonderful it is.
The subreddit is for all grimdark and tabletop games, not just warhammer 40K. Edgerunners, battletech, even dungeons and dragons and more are allowed here
I respectfully disagree. I think that Warhammer doesn’t shit on religion itself, it just shits on blind fanaticism.
Warhammer also have relatively level headed characters, who hold onto a sincere faith. That faith in a higher power allows them to persevere through tough situations that clinging to logic alone wouldn’t cut.
However I do agree with you that preaching genuine Scripture doesn’t work on tabletop wargame subreddits.
That being said, if we’re on something like r/40kLore and we’re directly comparing things in 40k to Scripture and Biblical contexts? That’s different.
Warhammer 40k also draws a fair bit of inspirarion from the imagery of the nazis, but I doubt abyone would find it acceptable for someone to post triumph of the will with a caption suggesting you should hear out hitler.
Obviously religion isn't nearly half as bad as nazis but the argumdnt structure is the same.
You mean the Byzantine Empire? That is what Warhammer bases the Imperium off of. Absolutely not Nazis.
Literally the flag of the Byzantine Empire, quite specifically the flag and seal of the Palaiologos dynasty, starting with Emperor Michael VIII Palaiologos whom adopted the flag to signify the Emperor. The eagle heads represent the Empire's reach, east and west.
I mean, the visual style of the aquilla looks nothing like the bizantine eagle and is stylalistically identical to to the nazi eagle. Let's also ignore that the nazi eagle (or any nazi symbol) is a shorthand for fascist totalitarian government and the bizantine flag has no implication at all to most people and is largely unknown.
And, I mean, come on. Just look at the thing. The wings are styled practically identically. They just gave is a second head and took out the swastika. The obvious intention to anyone with a functional brain is bring the nazi eagle to mind and the idea that you're supposed to think of the bizantines is absurd cope.
There’s a brilliant part of If the Emperor had a Podcast where an argument occurs over aesthetics between chaos and the imperium, and does the imperium being mega atheist (originally) it still had massive amounts of religious iconography and language
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Christians who actually, ya know, believe in the teachings of Christ, don't do this kind of shit.
There's something you have to understand about many proselytizers: they often have a pathological need to be a victim. The second they stop being a victim, their entire worldview collapses. That's why those street preachers on the corner or in the subway will lash out at or just outright ignore folks that come up to them and try to engage in a dialogue: because doing so means their entire worldview is at risk.
There's also the fact that this is a common reinforcement tactic used by the more Fundie Christian sects, e.g. Mormons, JWs, et cetera. They get their young members to go to places, and scream at the folks there that if they don't convert to their extra special flavor of bible interpretation they're doomed to hell. Then when they get mocked and harassed by folks in turn, they go back to their cult and get comforted with an explanation that the outside world is evil and satanic, and the only good place left is the cult.
It's not about converting anyone, it never was. It's to make sure the members of the cult can't be, well, normal around non-cult members, so that they stay in the cult. It's indoctrination, pure and simple.
I'm gonna need to remember this for the next time I see one of those assholes with a mic and speaker screwming about how we're all going to hell next to a train station
No AI, this Guy is an Actor called Andrej Kaminsky. And that Picture is from an YT Project where he plays the role of an Russian Mafia Boss and giving life advice.
It's not allowed, it's just spam stuff, pretty much all subs have to deal with this. It takes time for stuff to get removed, it was only up for 20 mins when you posted this, they're not out there watching every post like a hawk
I got some other funny miniature stuff to entertain me while taking my photos with models. When I saw this blue nautilus I knew it would be funny Tzeentch material.
I'm a cradle catholic and I can never fully not believe in Catholicism because this shit is burned into my brain guilt wise. That said, we gotta stop this shit. It's just bad for people and the marriage of capitalism with Christianity has been catastrophic for the world. From the slave trade to the genocide of the Americas to AI slop convincing people climate change isn't real or that angels will save them or that god will make them rich it's just a net negative for humanity at this point.
We've had a total of two good popes trying to address the horrors that the church has perpetuated but only when the Vatican is pretty much inconsequential politically. Our priests don't even bless flamethrowers like the Eastern Orthodox wackos.
I'm not 100% sure where I was going with this, but I'm not a fan of selling religion and really not into this proselytizing shit. Faith is supposed to be an internal journey and a challenge to rectify your own failings and cruelty to others or to feel bad for cranking off too much, not a fucking app to subscribe to.
Buddy what part of "we had a total of 2 good popes trying to address the horrors that the church has perpetuated but only when the Vatican is pretty much inconsequential politically" sounds like I'm a fan of the Catholic church and its numerous sins? Yes I'm well aware. They pretty much arbitrated the carving up of all of South America for Spain and Portugal to run their slave empires in and resulted in the deaths of million, helped the fucking Nazis with their genocide as well as hide money and war criminals flee at the end of the war, had incessant sexual abuse of kids throughout the clergy and sided the fascists. The only good part of catholicism is liberation theology and even that is fucking slim pickens compared to everything else the church got up to.
Most "major religious sects" disregard it and make their own rules up, people who think "oh well im gay, guess im going straight to hell and i gotta hate the bible now" are grossly misinformed and dont do any real research on it. Thats not how any of it works LOL
There is no "winning argument", you shouldnt worry about fake internet points like that. Simple fact. Rape is actually condemned in new testament teachings, which are the new laws, and just because it allows slavery doesnt mean its allowed in our time? You shouldnt be so myopic. That doesnt mean slavery is gonna be rampent because the book says so, think ahead, and stop losing your composure so easily 💀
"I have not come to abolish the old laws but to fulfill them"
If the book was the inerrant word of god it wouldnt be historically subjective. Did rape/slavery go from moral to immoral over time? Almost like its the authors beliefs and a useless book for a blood sacrifice cult.
And the laws were fulfilled, and the old laws were dust, whats so hard to understand? Might i suggest reading some more scripture? It was never "moral", and morality between then and now has been ever changing, and luckily it is still considered immoral. As it typically was back then. Try again
Saw some guy telling people to find Jesus (unironically, completely seriously) in the Darktide subreddit. He seemed to think it was perfectly appropriate content for a Darktide sub.
There seems to be a movement of religious fanatics trying to worm their way into video games that out right mock, belittle and deride religious fanaticism. 40K and Halo seem to be the biggest targets so far.
I hadn’t thought about slaanesh’s views on our current religions but I bet a large sum of money they’re elated with what the Catholics have been up to for the last few hundred years.
I hope someone starts sharing good quality exegetics videos to the hobby community. There’s a lot of inspiration we could take if we go for the academic research stuff 😉
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I reported it (for a simple rule 5 violation). I can't see it because of this. Is it still there?
Mods don't jump on everything right away.