I’ve always been really annoyed about how such a classic, fan-favourite boss like Ornstein has been treated with such randomness and ambiguity across the Dark Souls trilogy. Earlier today, while browsing some fan theories about whether or not he’s real in Ds1, I thought of something interesting… I’m sure someone’s mentioned it before but I’ll mention it anyways.
First off, I fully subscribe to the idea that he is an illusion when we meet him in the first game. I’ve seen the illusion argument be countered in a few ways.
- Gwynevere, a 100% illusion, doesn’t drop souls on defeat, therefore Ornstein shouldn’t either. Neither do Pinwheels illusions.
- Ornstein drops a physical Leo Ring upon death.
The Sentinel Giants carry my argument against both of these points, and are what I based my thoughts off of. For starters, they are all but confirmed to be illusions as they disappear when the city turns dark. They drop both souls and physical objects (their equipment).
But, random loser on Reddit, why would they drop such things if they aren’t real? My thoughts are that parts of them are real. Since their equipment mis definitely present in the city (both dropped by them and sold infinitely by the giant blacksmith), I can’t say they are totally incorporeal.
BUT the fact that they do drop items and souls leads me to believe that Gwyndolin’s illusions use these objects to create illusory combatants. We know that the power of some beings can be drawn from objects they used to wield, and I believe this is the basis of Gwyndolin’s illusions.
To supplement this, we can gain souls and actual objects from interacting with memories in Ds2.
I also think that, since Gwynevere can’t really do anything but talk, there was no need to give any sort of tangibility to her via something with her lingering power in it, hence why she does not drop souls.
As for pinwheel illusions? I think he’s just a weaker conjuror than Gwyndolin, simple as that.
So Ornstein… how does this work out for him. Well, Ds3 tells us that he left Anor Londo to search for Gwyn’s firstborn. He relinquished his status as a knight of the king. I believe he left his ring behind as he broke his vows, and it serves as the physical nexus for Ornstein’s manifestation as an illusion that can drop souls.
Then, regarding the next games. In Ds2, this ring ends up in the hands of someone in Heide, a spiritual successor to Anor Londo. Whoever this “old Dragonslayer” is, it’s someone who harnessed the lingering power of Ornstein from this old ring, giving him some of his abilities. As for the dark powers? Idk that’s not what matters here.
So, in Ds3, this ancient ring makes its way to Irithyll which is another successor to Anor Londo, and we find the real, physical armor of the Ornstein that abandoned the capital in Archdragon Peak. Whether or not he died here is uncertain as there is no body holding his gear, but I'm pretty sure its the real gear due to its description.
This is, in my opinion, a solid way of explaining the weird timeline of this lion boy. Thanks for reading.