I’m no economist, but I’ve always understood console production to be extremely expensive. In the past sometimes they were loss leaders meant to sell the system to bring in software sales. But at $900, it seems unlikely that any single exclusive would cause significant new sales, while putting the game on steam is cheap and easy. Outside of Valves cut it would be pure profit for them.
The world of PC gaming absolutely needs consoles out there. We need them to thrive. Because they are a lower priced point of entry for gamers to discover the hobby. PCs are all so much more focused on a single user as opposed to a console which is much more open to groups and sharing by design. Without consoles introducing people to gaming, I believe PC gaming would be lesser for it.
Except if Sony or MS don't sell more hardware, they get less 3rd party royalties. That's where all the money is from. The amount of money Sony would make from PC sales pales in comparison to the boost they get from being the go-to console.
This is some copium. We can ignore all the effects AI has on all systems and pretend Sony dropping disc is the to blame. Also, why is Sony still out selling Xbox then?
Price increase has to do with AI driving up the cost of components and is a universal problem for all the platform holders. It’s not a Sony-specific issue.
Who fucking cares? Prices go up, people can’t afford the console anymore, so they stop buying. That’s the driving factor here. Anybody saying it’s literally anything else is intentionally lying or delusional.
Even if Sony reversed course on killing physical media and cancelled all their live service games, pivoting to the single player games people know them for it still wouldn’t make a difference. Not one bit of difference at all. The simple fact is most people cannot justify buying a PS5 console at their current price when rent, gas, food and other necessities are also going up in price with no end in sight.
It’s the price of the console. It’s just too expensive. Stop pretending it’s anything else.
Exactly. It’s a reflection of global economic conditions. Not Sony. Everything is expensive and people are getting priced out of their hobbies because unqualified people are running entire countries.
I don’t think so? And even if it is, who fucking cares? What does it matter? Who gives a damn about console sales when it is several hundred dollars MORE expensive 6 years after launch? I remember when these things would only get cheaper after a couple years!
It's not entirely due to PC, though, right? Their first party offerings have been a** for a long time, and its only recently that the "good" ones have even come to PC.
Phil Spencer got it right when Kinda Funny interviewed him. They lost the most important generation (PS4/XBOne) when people really started cementing their digital libraries and comitting to those digital ecosystems.
What first party game did MS publish between 2014 and 2020 that we could even compare to a Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, or TLOU Part 2?
None.
They didnt make any good games for a long time. So no, the problem is not publishing the jokes that they did make on PC
I mean the Xbox One is their best console ever and it came the closest to properly executing on what they should have done for the last decade and could still do next generation.
Stop trying to sell people Xbox consoles. Sell them a living room PC, set top box, and console all in one.
Apple TV/firestick/roku, a PS5, and a Computer? Nope, here's the new Xbox it's all of them this is all you need. Yep, it's $1000+. It does everything you need. You need nothing else. Done.
LMAOL, not just circle jerking but deniers as well. Damn bro, get out of the circle jerk, you’re starting to believe their idiocy.
Xbox did release good games but people only want to talk about great games which Xbox lacked. Porting to PC was one of their biggest mistakes. Your console is struggling and instead of building a strong exclusive library they decided to kneecapped.
I don't think them being on PS5 has stopped the whole pirating thang given the progress of the KytyPS5 emulator people will just be using that soon im if they wanted to play anything
HD2 is pretty good though. Just wish we'd have got Yotei really it only game I wanna play on the PS side of things
That's a new developing situation that hasn't affected anything yet. Sony's single player games simply did not make much money on PC, they are very popular on pirate sites but not so much on Steam.
Overtime it'll start affecting it somewhat. Not a lot but it'll be there. Personally it's not for me. But there'll be those who use it.
Yeah that's true but they did wait a couple years before porting the game so at that point either people weren't interested or they already played it. It's a shame for those who just likes playing a variety of games.
I don't think time had much to do with it as Sony not putting any DRM in their games which resulted in them being available for free day 1. Stellarblade had the same gap between it's PS5 and PC release as Spider-Man 2 but since SB had DRM it did like 10 times better on Steam, meanwhile SM2 peaked at under 30K on Steam but had multiple torrents day 1 with hundreds of thousands simultaneous leechers.
I know all I've brought Sony wise for PC was Days Gone and Ghost of Tsushima. I just want Yotei on pc that's it no other Sony IP that interests me that much
Sony still made money on them as they were inexpensive to port. Sony was afraid of losing PlayStation customers to PC, so they stopped putting their mega budget games on PC. Now they must rely on a console base that isn’t growing.
Ghost of Tsushima is now niche? The reality is all their exclusives are the same shit. Ghost if Tsushima is boring as fuck for a game that got 10/10 thrown around. God of war sold alright, then Ragnarok bombed because it's the same shit.
Did you even read the article bro, it very clearly says exclusives made in 2026, Sony didn't port theirs to PC which already puts them at a sales disadvantage, you just wanted some dumb reason to rant on why you hate Sony's games lmaoo, go do that somewhere else lol
Sony didn't port theirs to PC which already puts them at a sales disadvantage, you just wanted some dumb reason to rant on why you hate Sony's games lmaoo, go do that somewhere else lol
Are you dumb? Sony stopped porting them because it wasn't worth it. What difference does it make if they did port them? Xbox exclusives sell on PC because they don't play the same. Forza alone probably sold more than any PS5 exclusive ever did on steam.
How are you gonna make the argument that they play the same when the games presented are, wolverine, MLB, marvel tokon, Saros, marathon, like these games can't be any different and that's not even remotely the reason why lmao, firstly the main reason was Sony made unappealing games that pandered to small audiences and they also didn't port a few of these games leading to flops, it's such an easy data based conclusion but your brain has an absence of logic and is resorting to dumb conspiracies, don't reply to me you baiting weeb, go back to anime
Who the hell would do anything that Xbox is doing at this point? How much failure does one company need to show before you look at them and say "do the opposite of whatever they do.". They literally just fired their last CEO and have fired over like 5000+ people in just the Xbox division since the ABK acquisition. Their revenue and quarterly reports just keep going down and they've already predicted it will go down again in the next report.
Taking one cherry picked stat and say "told you so" is no way to run a business.
Sony wants to have a console business though. Xbox has given up on this idea (or at least should), they're not exactly the reference you think they are there. They are the one strategy to not follow for a console maker.
Competition is always good somi disagree with Microsoft stopping console dev and if Sony was the only one then what's stopping them from doing certain things. Sure Nintendo is around still but they are more handheld machines. At the end of the day competition is good for us as consumers.
That doesn't mean they shouldn't make a new Xbox. It just means the Xbox shouldn't be a console. It should run Windows 11 with a living room centric overlay/UI front and central from the time you boot it as an option. Configurable to be a desktop as well, see SteamOS/Bazzite as examples of this on Linux. See the Steam Machine and what modders are doing to the BC250 as potential hardware ideas.
Microsoft made the push with the Xbox One they wanted to be your living room set top box that played games and it was a mess. They weren't wrong though, they just executed poorly.
Execute correctly, it works. Windows 11 based PC, living room UI, option to be used as a PC when someone wants, sure go ahead and charge $1000+. It replaces your fire TV stick/Apple TV/whatever trash smart TV UI your TV has, can play games, can be a PC if you decide, it's a multifunctional device.
Now one problem is gamers prefer steam to Xbox Games. Yeah. True. So make Xbox Games suck less.
We know the numbers. Sony's entire PC revenue this gen was $1.2b at the time they announced they were pulling back, and close to half of that number would go to helldivers 2 not to mention other live service games like destiny.
So out of $125b in gaming revenue this gen (again at the time they announced they were pulling back), their single player titles amounted to like $300-400m. Spread out among like 15 games or however many they released.
They decided it wasn't worth hurting their system's reputation for that tiny amount since ya'll kept saying "they have no games" due to porting games to PC.
No it doesn't one person buying a PS5 is worth a lot more to Sony than someone buying their games on Steam
When you buy a Sony game on Steam a percentage of that goes to Steam so Sony is making less money on every PS5 game sold on Steam compared to the PS5
Sony also takes a cut from every third party game sold on the PS5 and they want to sell their subscriptions. Making it so the PS5 has "less value" by putting their games on Steam means less people will buy the PS5 and less people will be in their ecosystem.
That's true of people who buy a PlayStation. Sony aren't getting any money at all from most of us anymore because many of us don't buy consoles.
Money lost to them Xbox will take.
Like seriously people are ridiculous thinking everyonr buys a PS and buys games there. No, obviously they're buying them on Steam and Sony is missing out on revenue.
So, I wouldn't support a random shop selling other people's stuff, when I can get a better experience from Xbox who still make games, and have a better eco system.
Saying something is factually incorrect holds no value when you say nothing to back it up.
Same races, same progression, same wheelspins, same cheesy dialogue, same activities, even the same damn signs. Five years later, it's basically Horizon 5 in Japan. Adding a few features doesn't make it a fundamentally different game. It's a glorified DLC.
6
u/MISFU88 12h ago
Alina suddenly no loner a valid analyst since she's saying positive stuff about Xbox xDDDDDDDDDD