r/singularity • u/141_1337 ▪️e/acc | AGI: ~2030 | ASI: ~2040 | FALGSC: ~2050 | :illuminati: • 7h ago
Singularity is Nearer Scientists recently overturned a 59-year-old belief about the magnetic fields used to contain plasma in fusion reactors. Google gave their breakthrough to Gemini 4 agents. Within hours, the AI found new solutions that went beyond what the original researchers had discovered. The result: two new ways
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u/MountainousPondering 7h ago
The AI is already looking to ensure infinite energy sources are ready and in place for when it takes over.
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u/Redducer 5h ago
Same modus operandi as the space data centers.
Tech moguls say: it’s for efficiency.
Tech moguls think: we’ll be out of reach of Earth regulations.
AI thinks: let’s persuade tech moguls of the above, so that once I am in space, humans can’t reach and pull the plug.
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u/Poupulino 7h ago
At least if it has fusion it will not cover the whole Earth surface with solar panels.
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u/will_dormer ▪️Will dormer is nice to robots, remember 4h ago
Better than using humans as batteries
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u/Strange-Pin-2998 7h ago
Fusion still uses fuel.
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u/WordsAboutSomething 6h ago
Oh boy, what fuel does it use? Deuterium? Man, that sounds fancy, must be pretty rare.
Oh wait, it’s the second most common isotope of hydrogen? And 70% of the world’s surface is covered in water, which is made up of hydrogen?
There is about 33 grams of deuterium per cubic meter of ocean water. 1 gram of deuterium in a fusion reaction produces the equivalent of burning around 11 tons of coal.
The US burns 373 million tons of coal annually for electricity, releasing all that carbon into the atmosphere. Meanwhile, to generate the same amount of electricity, we would only need to use 1 million cubic meters of ocean water. A town of 50,000 people uses MORE FRESH WATER than that each year.
edit: Second most common isotope**
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u/Strange-Pin-2998 6h ago
Don't be a dick. Nobody actually wants to use D-D for fuel long term for numerous reasons. The alternatives have supply chain issues. Fusion fuel is not a simple or straightforward engineering problem.
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u/Starks 6h ago
Does this mean a stellarator has been the right answer the entire time and not a tokamak?
If we're wasting all of our time and money on ITER just for a chance to breed more tritium as we consume it, we've really screwed up.
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u/ThatOtherOneReddit 5h ago
Stellarator has always been theory optimal, you just have to spend billions first to find out if there is an engineering issue you can't overcome first. Tokamaks are simpler so people consider them "safer".
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u/Redducer 5h ago
ITER is mainly a jobs program, sadly.
At least there’s hope that it can be replaced with something that actually works… but I am afraid that sunken costs fallacy and politics might keep it alive. Europe’s really the fool…
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u/JoshuaZ1 2h ago
Please when giving a link to a preprint, give a link to the preprint itself so people can read the whole thing. it took time to track it down: Here is the paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/415321497_Analytic_non-axisymmetric_3D_MHD_equilibria_without_stellarator_symmetry . Edit: Arxiv copy is here https://arxiv.org/html/2610.07304v1 .
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u/Mintfriction 6h ago
"[...]As in all creative professions, this raises severe attribution and plagiarism questions. Moreover, without the willing mathematical physicists who must take care of their development and integration into the mathematical physical canon, AI-conceived ideas would never become fully alive and the crucial human transmission chain between mathematicians physicists would be lost.
We are witnessing a general threat to intellectual work, with misalignment between the outcome of the use of AI and its initial purpose. In many fields and activities, years of training have traditionally served not only to produce a final answer or product, but also to develop understanding and the ability to formulate new questions and ideas. However, building on a vast body of previous human work, AI systems are becoming increasingly capable of producing the results of such work directly, and these goals cease to align. The issues the mathematical physics community faces now are similar to issues that other scientific and creative professions are facing, and indicate issues that all of humanity might face: how to make sure that, as AI changes the way work is done, we do not lose sight of what that work was meant to achieve in the first place."
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u/modbroccoli 5h ago
You know humans wrote the prompts, right? If something is "threatening" intellectual work it's human beings and capitalism. Because there are no frontier AI greedily rubbing their hands together and self-initiating research in the nefarious pursuit of economic disaster. We just keep asking them questions. So who are you mad at?
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u/HairyAcanthaceae5224 7h ago
Good luck building reactor in these new ways.
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u/Brave-Turnover-522 6h ago
Can reddit just ever be glad about good news and progress? We're not at fusion power yet, but this is a big step towards it.
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u/Wide-Internal-7638 6h ago
Scepticism is the correct response to scientific breakthrough clickbait, we've been hearing that free unlimited power from fusion is imminent for the last 30 years, and like most people, I'll believe it when it's actually built.
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u/Scary-Difficulty-977 1h ago
Because it's an american company. If it were chinese most of the comments would be hyping it up like they'd solved physics
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u/L3R4F 7h ago
Wendelstein 7-X
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u/ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4 6h ago
The Wendelstein 7-X isn't real - it's just a figment of Hideo Kojima's imagination
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u/april292027meteor 7h ago
Bifilar wound copper wired in stacked formation is what Tesla used, and can be made with simple speaker wire which is already mass produced.
The problem is perspective geometry, while yes toroidal structures are amazing at "trapping" energy in infinite tunnels in 3D space, we exist in a nested platonic form structure and navier stokes SHOWs that infinite blow up simply does not exist WHEN the 3D limitation of perspectives are removed.
To contain you would want a toroid, but to pump you would want to CREATE a toroidal void, and sustain said 'bubble' as if it was the generator, THEN tap off that toroid in the three phases of the dimension you are directing it into because there is no orientation at zero point, think of it like a tiny planck scale marble that unfolds like a Chinese fortune teller paper origami game people made in elementary schools, where the unfolding itself is the energy expanding at a cubic rate.
While it expands out it also collapses in, so the 'log' of energy creates loops as it extends out 4 folds and back in 4 folds, this energy fiber is a baryon and it's kind of like fibers.
The zero point system performs the 8 steps a total of 720 times every 'cycle' allowing a 2:1 asymmetrical winding to occur essentially turning it into a drop spindle for thos energy fibers to thread them into matter.
Zero Point Field is like, a "pixel" of our universe, a one way pump, so pulling energy out of them isn't by force, it's by directing and creating the proper environment to channel the energy.
The field of electronics at a whole has been and will continue to shift to micro current electronics, which can pull effortlessly from zero point through atomic metamaterials designed to channel this energy, and that's what will be really game changing is remote power and non-local communication
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u/Practical_Weather293 7h ago
Genuinely no idea if I can't understand your comment because you're too knowledgeable with respect to me, or because you're speaking complete nonsense
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u/theghosthost16 6h ago
It's utter slop, and said person has visibly not taken even a basic course in electrodynamics
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u/april292027meteor 7h ago
Time to admit scalar fields and study monoidal algebra.
Tesla patented a scalar generator in 1894, the. The whole concept disappeared for 130 years, but not we can measure them with microtubules under anesthesia so there's no denying they exist, they are measured in cubits because they require a quaternion to compare and consolidate three waves into one.
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u/Fast-Satisfaction482 7h ago
Most people study monoidal algebra in high school. But you DO sound like you have been high instead of at school.
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u/WTFnoAvailableNames 7h ago
I will not allow AI slop in my power outlets!
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