That’s not what researchers are claiming happened. They weren’t acting as a vigilante pod. Researchers are claiming that it’s an adolescent behavior and they believe the orcas are playing with the boats. That behavior has since subsided for the most part
No they go absolutely feral the moment the gate is left open and then proceed to destroy everything in their path as they grow into near unkillable land tanks
This is one of my favorite animal facts of all time. Pigs are like 200 yards and one fence away from reverting to their most primal state at all times.
That's almost definitely not what is going on with the gladis, but it doesn't mean they're any less intelligent. Most biologists agree those orcas are young and bored. It's a fad among young orcas. They have culture. It's super cool. Unless you're a yacht owner.
Pigs need to sink ships to prove their intelligence? Does the mirror test or symbolic language test or the complex social structures hold any weight? Or you just want that bacon cheeseburger, hold the whale?
A lot of other zoos around the world also don’t. It’s so sad. These animals deserve better. But I’m also vegan and animal ag is literally the most horrific thing ever but most people just don’t care enough about certain animals so. I’m often screaming into the void for them.
It's just incredibly frustrating that everyone has so much hate and anger for Sea world. That is actually making positive changes and giving all the other parks doing much worse things and not committed to ending orca captivity and want to continue it, a pass.
It's like yeah I hate whale captivty. I hate the idea of captive orcas. So fuck sea world that marine park that is actually not breeding orcas and has said there will never be more orcas at sea world parks in the future. 2040 sea world will not have orcas.
Like yeah the whale captures sea world did in the 1960s off the coast PNW were horrific.
But the Russia whale jail scandal was in 2018. And there are rumors it's still happening to this day.
The last orca born in Sea world was Kyara who was born and died in 2017, after Sea World ended their breeding program in 2016.
2 orcas were born in captivity in China this year, 2026.
My response was in regards to general topics those leaders should be discussing. My point is that these nations have bigger issues to discuss at the global table.
I have acknowledged the validity of your point. As well as agreed with it. I still fail to understand why you keep brining these things up.
It was actually Dawn’s body that Tilikum would not release during the show. This is the body that required multiple tank changes to get Tilikum to release Dawn’s body.
Also Dawn was pulled in by her shoulder/arm. Seaworld tried to say it was her ponytail because she did not normally wear her hair that way and therefore Tilikum was confused.
He actually removed her arm from her body during the time he had her, showing that she was indeed pulled in by her upper arm/shoulder.
The method of retrieval of Daniel Dukes body is unknown to my knowledge.
By 2010, Tilikum was not doing any shows with trainers in the water due to his first kill in 1991. All of the shows he was in, had trainers on platforms at all times.
I’m not defending Sea world, I’m just correcting the history on Tilikum’s story. Correct facts matter.
If you are interested in this topic, I suggest the book Beneath the Surface by John Hargrove and Howard Chua-Eoan.
Worked in zoological back in 2005 (as an educator) and even back then we were told, for insurance reasons, that no one was ever allowed in a pool with Tilicum.
I'm English, lots of foreign words sound ridiculous to English speakers because they sound like funny English words. If you haven't worked that out yet you're either too young to be using a smartphone by yourself or hugely ignorant.
Sea world has not captured and brought a wild orcas to their park since the 1980s.
They ended the orcas breeding program.
Russia is still actively capturing wild orcas to sell to marine parks. (They made it illegal a few years ago but it is most likely still happening.)
Parks in China are still breeding orcas in captivity.
Parks in Japan still have people in the water with orcas during the shows. They also have said they would want to restart their orcas breeding program.
Yeah Sea World was horrific and terrible. They did some of the worst shit imaginable 50 years ago.
But parks in asia are still doing it to this day. Right now.
Well, it's kind of obvious when wild orcas (for whatever reason) have never attacked humans... it's like forcing a wolf to live in tiny crate, or a lion on a short chain and drugged so people can take photos with it.
It felt like a cultural phenomenon when it first hit streaming. Everyone saw it and talked about it round the water cooler. It was so extremely well done and very upsetting. I’m suprised to see the information being presented as something people don’t know about.
[r/HeavySeas](r/HeavySeas) is exactly that, which may not help with calmness but does showcase the beauty and power of the ocean. r/ thalassiphobia (that's surely spelled wrong, I'll try to update) is more eclectic but generally doesn't include tanks or captivity
I need calmness. The mistreatment of animals makes me anything but calm. Holding animals in tanks is abhorrent. It should be outlawed.
But for my physical and mental health, I need calmness. Sorry if that upset you. Try to remember there are people with different circumstances than your own.
I remember seeing tilikum when i was like, idk 10. I had no idea he’d killed people. But i vividly remember going up to his tank at night and putting my face to the glass to try to see him again. I was the only person around looking in the tank. He emerged from the pitch black water and swam right past the glass super slowly. It scared the shit outta me. Like it was genuinely terrifying.
This part i could have just been imaging but it felt like he was looking at me.
He probably was looking at you. Orca are extremely sociable, intelligent, curious creatures. He was probably checking you out exactly like you were checking him out
You already know they got footage of him jumping in. So you just know they also got the full raw video of what happened next… but they’ll never drop it for public viewing.
Same exact thing with MGM with Roy Horn from Siegfried & Roy. They’ve got the complete stage camera footage of his white tiger Mantacore mauling him, dragging him off stage by the neck, the whole bloody scene. MGM’s been offered millions for that tape over the years and still won’t release it or sell it for public viewing. That shit is locked in the vault forever.
The shows and such are not right. But it's weird to say orcas get aggresive by captivity while they are one of the more agressive creatures of the sea. Even more reason not to do shows with them
Edit: agression isn't necesarrily about anger or bad intensions. It's also about intensity. Like how a desease can be agressive or a substance like acid. If you watch orcas hunt it can get pretty agressive
Agression isn't necesarrily about anger or bad intensions. It's also about intensity. Like how a desease can be agressive or a substance like acid. If you watch orcas hunt it can get pretty agressive
Believe it or not there was a time in history where there weren’t any documented shark attacks in the US and so people thought they weren’t a threat.
It turns out just most people weren’t surviving the attacks or found. I do think captivity breeds aggression, but I also think there’s the potential of undocumented attacks.
They’re intelligent hunters that kill for fun/sport.
He was an orca kept at Sea World Orlando. He was taken from the wild outside of Iceland. He was horrifically abused by Marineland in Canada. Starved. Kept in a tiny tiny pool in a shed. The two other orcas beat the shit out of him all the time.
Eventually sea world bought him and brought him down to Orlando. At some point a man climbed into the orca tank with him to go skinny dip in the middle of the night. His body was found with bite marks and it appeared he had drowned. It's scandalous because Tilkium removed the man's penis.
Then Tilkium was the infamous whale who grabbed a sea world trainer during a show and killed her by biting her arm and pulling her under the water until she drowned. There's been some debate whether he initially grabbed her pony tail and pulled her in that way but her body did have bite marks.
Afterwards there was a lot of anger that Sea world "kept him in isolation to suffer"
But that orca had serious mental health issues and did not enjoy the company of other orcas. Most likely from his past of getting the shit beat out of him by the two older orcas at Marineland in Canada and he was taken from the wild at a very young age.
Orcas in the wild have an extremely structured social system that is primarily run by an older female whale.
He did seem to enjoy the company of one of his daughters and would hang out with her.
Btw if you care about whales in captivity. Put pressure on Russia to stop trying to capture whales from the wild. And put pressure on China to stop trying to buy wild caught whales and to stop breeding orcas.
Parks in Japan also still do water work where they have trainers in the water with the orcas.
My goodness! I do not want to hear this gore, could you at least put a warning at the beginning of the video so people like me don't have to hear such disturbing content?! Some of us have PTSD and that can severely trigger a traumatic episode of reliving the past depending on what one has been through. I'm glad my trauma was not involving gore. I'll just say I survived near death experiences more than once and even escaped a criminal who nearly killed me once when I was homeless, much more things I've experienced that I'd rather not say, and yes, this kinda triggerd me honestly. So inconsiderate of whatever posted this! Thanks for reminding me of my horrific past jerk!
"species traitor", brother, an Orca is a wild animal that hunt's seals and flips them multi-story building levels into the air, having this opinion isn't being a traitor, it's common sense.
No different than jumping into a pit of hungry lions.
They are known to play with their food/prey, since the Orca knows there aren't any other predators coming to steal that food anytime soon, him doing this isn't really surprising either.
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u/appleorchard317 2d ago
Orcas are too intelligent to be kept in captivity.