I don’t see the equivalency of “If students can’t use AI, then teachers shouldn’t either.”
Environmental and ethical issues aside, the student is there to learn and the teacher is there to teach. These are not equal roles. This assignment presumably is for the student to demonstrate knowledge and develop skills. The teacher isn’t being tested or evaluated on their ability to draw a cartoon raccoon.
Also, this is very visually AI and the teacher was specifically making a graphic to call attention to AI. It actually works better in this situation. It would be like writing "no Papyrus font allowed" in Papyrus
Ok but even so, why does the note about not using AI need a drawing of a raccoon? Nothing about this graphic was absolutely necessary to generate in the first place. This message could have been conveyed to the students with normal text colored in red for emphasis. It's not the same no but it's certainly ironic and hypocritical from the students pov.
Its only hypocritical from terminally online people who have no clue what point it is making and inexplicably use their own ignorance as an argument. It has a picture because pictures make it more fun.
School assignments aren't fun no matter what graphics you include lmao But in any case if that is your argument, there are royalty free images all over that can be used and they aren't AI generated and you don't need to pay for them either. Pictures = more fun? Alright. The picture didn't need to be AI, and please spare me that teachers don't have time. If they had time to write a prompt to generate this then they had time to find clip art of a raccoon.
Nothing in your post gives a reason why they should choose one of these options instead of the other. Also nothing in the post suggests this isn't an image they just found on google.
Idk what to tell you other than if you've seen AI art enough, it gets very easy to spot. Everything in this image is AI generated including the text. They should use a non-AI image because it conveys consistent messaging to the students. If you're going to tell students to not use AI, it just logically makes sense to not convey that message using AI.
I work in education and I can tell you, students do not appreciate being berated for using AI and then having their teachers use it to generate assignment prompts, grade things for them, and yes even make shitty graphics.
You don't see how it's hypocritical to tell students to not use AI while you yourself are using AI? The message itself would be far stronger if it HADNT been an AI generated graphic. The fact that it is is indirect mixed messaging.
No, because the graphic is specifying “For this assignment”. There is no mixed messaging. All due respect but if you’re in education you should be able to understand that qualifier.
Is it hypocritical for a math teacher to give an assignment where the students aren’t allowed to use calculators while the teacher validates the results with a calculator?
I'm not a literal educator, I just said I work in education and with students who tell us how they feel in their classes. And I understand what you're saying but do you actually talk to young people in school? The prominent use of AI in education is not just a student problem, its an educator problem as well, and even simple use like this is demoralizing for students. And it indicates a broader issue.
If a teacher is using AI to generate graphics, what else are they using it for in the classroom? The entire foundation of the class is in question because you the student truly don't know how the teacher is using AI beyond that. Was it a one off or is every little thing you hand it scraped by AI? This is on top of a lot of students minds, they aren't all super enthusiastic about cheating. Many of them feel they are being cheated out of a fair education because of this. So yes, even this simple little graphic makes a statement. And it might not be fully accurate but the question is there and it's fair to be concerned over it.
I second that. I was not allowed to use a calculator until I passed the prerequisite math courses, proving I knew how to do the calculations manually and could explain what was happening v. just getting an answer.
Then it turned into a Math plus English class. Holy 🐄! I remember one teacher docking points on spelling, grammar, margin/spacing, etc.
Now that I'm older I can appreciate her more on reinforcing the discipline.
Because teachers are role models. Kids dont see adults as meat vehicles delivering content in the same way an accountant quantufies this year's kpi's on student success rates. Kids want to emulate, will emulate. They need positive reinforcement by those they look up to. And if the teacher is using ai, the student will begin to question that more than the lesson itself.
This is like saying teachers shouldn't drive because they are role models and their underage students will try to drive too.
You aren't allowed to drive because you're a child. The teacher is allowed to drive because they're an adult and have a license. You aren't allowed to use AI for the assignments because you're a student. The teacher is allowed to.
Kids see adults using Google and the internet And books and calculators and phones to do their jobs. Does that mean all of that should be allowed on tests or assignments?
Because the AI generated lessons often include false information.
One of my partner’s professors uses AI to make slideshows in an ethics course. The slideshows frequently contain fake quotes it made up, and attributed them to real historical people
Teachers can only teach if they have credibility. When I learned one of my teachers used AI to write all her emails to parents and students, the credibility was lost. Why, in the students mind, should they do their job of doing the work instead of outsourcing it to AI, when the teacher has demonstrated an absolute willingness to outsource her own work to AI? How do I know she isnt just faking the entirety of the teaching process if shes using AI for stuff like this where it isnt 3ven difficult not to do?
I would honestly assume any teacher using this sort of ai art is probably using AI for everything, and theres zero motivation for a student to engage when the teacher is never going to actually check their work. Why do what she wants when shes not even the one actually teaching the class?
It’s about being a role model. “Do as I say and not as I do” has always been a pretty bullshit frame of mind. If the teacher can’t make a little cartoon raccoon then just make something without a little cartoon raccoon.
Because this is just a slap in the face telling students:
See kids? You don't need to learn shit. You're learning shit is just so we can mentally drain you from any will to live that is still inside you. In fact, everything you learn is useless, because AI will do it for you any way, like I just did here.
I really doubt that. I personally used AI to help generate a poster for a convention panel I was doing, but the entire panel was my partner and I sharing experiences and knowledge. None of that came from AI. I simply didn't realize I needed a poster until the last minute, and most of that was a real photo anyway.
Yes but it was just an example that says someone can selectively use a tool. It's no different from teachers using ClipArt in the past but still teaching from a proper curriculum.
That would only be true if the teacher was teaching the students to create simple graphics like this and then using AI to do it themselves but not letting students use AI to do it. Assuming they're teaching them literally anything else, then this is a superfluous argument.
As a fellow artist it's infuriating to see any AI art being used, tbh.
And as someone who works in the education system, when someone says "don't use AI" but they use AI for something themselves WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LEADING BY EXAMPLE, then yeah, it's infuriating from a student's and parent's POV the hypocrisy that people have. It doesn't matter if the teacher is being graded or not - they're still being hypocrite. Rarely I see any teachers (or other people for that matter) actually review their AI usage so the whole "they're just using it as a tool" argument is garbage because they're going beyond that - they're over-relying in it to do their job for them and are either sharing the wrong information due to AI hallucinations they didn't bother to review/correct or are just sharing AI slop that are paragraphs long when they could just write a simple sentence or two on their own if they use their brains.
I went to a display made by the people who own the black and white restaurant, known as one of the most famous art piece restaurants in the world. The display had some simple ai cartoon characters on the plaques. Nonsense absolutism is pointless. There's a reason its amateur artists crashing out about ai, and not ones anyone can name.
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u/yepyepyep123456 16h ago
I don’t see the equivalency of “If students can’t use AI, then teachers shouldn’t either.”
Environmental and ethical issues aside, the student is there to learn and the teacher is there to teach. These are not equal roles. This assignment presumably is for the student to demonstrate knowledge and develop skills. The teacher isn’t being tested or evaluated on their ability to draw a cartoon raccoon.