Clear Backpacks + Pay to Keep Your Phone

[u/TheAeroplaneBear2906]

My freinds school is now requiring these items, and is also using AI to promote this 🫠

[u/FyneBlackKyng]

yeah it sucks to sit in class all day without a cellphone - Class of 2002

[u/SideInitial3961 → u/FyneBlackKyng]

Was speaking about the clear backpacks actually and how young people have zero privacy. Like young women have things in their bags they don't want you to see, you do understand that is their human right that we should be respecting yes?

[u/KanMDJD → u/SideInitial3961]

Why would anybody imagine that children have a right to privacy that adults are obliged to respect?

[u/rogerdoesnotmeanyes → u/KanMDJD]

Because if you don’t give kids privacy* you raise sneaky kids who hide shit from you when it really matters because they (correctly) think they can’t trust you.

*obviously with reasonable steps as they age, no one is advocating for letting toddlers hide anything they want.

[u/KanMDJD → u/rogerdoesnotmeanyes]

Having your default assumption being that children will naturally rebel against any assertion of authority says far more about the failure of this style of parenting than anything else. Why not raise socially healthy children who follow rules because they have internalized those rules and the benefits that come from being upstanding, rule-following citizens, and not ones who feel the need to assert their own preferences when those preferences go against valid authority? It isn't difficult to do.

This reasoning about giving them privacy so that they don't become sneaky is exactly the same reasoning that has parents letting their kids drink beer at home, because at least they're not out partying somewhere. If that's your reasoning, you already failed somewhere along the way to teach them to respect the rules even when those rules don't result in an outcome that matches their own personal preferences. They are children; the amount to which their personal preferences should matter in decision-making concerning their care and upbringing should be near zero, across the board. They get to decide what to do with their lives as their leashes are let out, and those leashes are only let out as they age.

This system works, and has worked, for all of human history. Children do not get to make decisions and their preferences are indulged only at the election of their caregivers precisely because they are children.

There are reasons to defy authority, yes. Sometimes, it may even be morally obligatory. This is not one of those times.

We're not talking about people's lives and livelihoods here. We're talking about clear backpacks. There is nothing apart from parts of their own bodies, and I mean absolutely nothing, that any student - boy, girl, both, or neither - should be hiding from public view while at school. Have a change of underwear or some pads? Put it in a sack in your locker. Put it in a purse. Put them in a manilla envelope that is inside the backpack.

Just stop pretending that if a school security officer sees a tampon, it's going to be the end of the world, even though that's the 600th one he's seen that morning, and he does not care.

[u/_probablyryan → u/KanMDJD]

the benefits that come from being upstanding, rule-following citizens, and not ones who feel the need to assert their own preferences when those preferences go against valid authority

Is the valid authority and the benefits that come from being an unquestioning rule follower in the room with us right now?

[u/KanMDJD → u/_probablyryan]

If you feel that there is no such thing as a valid authority, then congratulations on being a genuine anarchist. There aren't many of you out there. For all of the rest of society that does find authority to not be inherently invalid, there're rules and the benefits that come from following them.

As for unquestioning, nobody has suggested you can't question authority or the reasoning for the rules, so I'll leave that strawman where you dropped it.

[u/FlakyTest8191 → u/KanMDJD]

So it would be fine for you if police could just search through your stuff and your home whenever they want? After all, you're a socially healthy individual who follows the rules, right?

Kids are people too, putting them under general suspicion is a bad idea, just like with adults. That doesn't mean they don't need age appriopriate supervision, but there is a big difference.

[u/snarbuckle → u/KanMDJD]

How authoritarian