r/janeausten • • 14h ago

Adaptations Mansfield park - horror/gothic?

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Just finished watching the 1999 movie and I Am shook!

Is the book this scary? I mean I’m a new Jane Austen fan (trying to get around the books) and her stories transport me to a different world full of longing. But MP opened me up to the horrors of being a woman in those time. If anything this book is more of a gothic compared to Northanger Abbey.

Anyways is the book this dark? Was the movie accurate in character representation?


r/janeausten • • 15h ago

Humor / Meme Am I alone in thinking this thumbnail kind of looks like a horror movie?

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I’m kind of just perusing Amazon Prime right now because I’m sick, and I paused when I saw this and was like “…she looks kind of… sinister?????” 😂😂😂


r/janeausten • • 18h ago

Adaptations Emma 2009

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Emma is my all time favourite Austen book.

Like many here, I suspect, I've read it multiple times but only recently resorted to screen versions.

The Netflix version I found almost unforgivable - nearly put me off any adaptation but . . . . I'm now in the middle of watching the BBC 2009 adaptation starring Romola Garai as Emma.

She is perfect!

I love her wit, combative nature, subtle eye rolling and liveliness!

She captures the part brilliantly - Emma's flaws are there for all to see but her eventual humanity and good nature shines through.

Can't praise the BBC enough!

EDIT: My error! Not Netfix, but the 2020 version I objected to!


r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Humor / Meme Sense and sensibility promotional website to turn pick up lines into jane austen text speech (without ai)

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r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Adaptations MEGATHREAD - Sense & Sensibility (2026) October Release - "Yay!" Thread - positive vibes only - CONTAINS SPOILERS

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This post is for rave reviews and generally positive discussion about Sense & Sensibility (2026), which is currently being released to theatres in Australia, Canada, US, etc.

Nuanced opinions are still welcome, but please direct generally negative reviews, complaints, etc. to the sister "nay!" megathread. Moderators reserve the right to remove overly negative or combative comments.

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No spoiler tags required.

UK Release Discussions: Yay and Nay


r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Adaptations MEGATHREAD - Sense & Sensibility (2026) October Release - "Nay!" Thread - snark welcome - CONTAINS SPOILERS

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This post is for rants and generally critical discussion about Sense & Sensibility (2026), which is currently being released to theatres in Australia, Canada, US, etc.

Nuanced opinions are still welcome, but please direct generally rave reviews, gushing, etc. to the sister "Yay!" megathread. Moderators reserve the right to remove overly apologist or combative comments.

Questions about this format? Please see the mod announcement.

No spoiler tags required.

UK Release Discussions: Yay and Nay


r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Adaptations Sense and Sensibility adaptations to book comparisons (not 2026)

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I recently read and then watched all the S&S adaptations I have (71, 81, 95, 08) and so here's my thoughts on it:

Things I Want In An Adaptation

  • showing how deeply and privately Elinor feels- while she is very internal she does withdraw to express and I don't think it's laid down enough in any adaptation yet the way Austen lays it down in the early book that Elinor and Marianne are equally deep feelers and share equal sense and reason- Marianne being more romantic and Elinor more reserved.
  • breakfast at Delaford! The outing to whitwell is always shown interrupted in the courtyard which yes Marianne and Willoughby were already on the move but idk it bothers me none of them show the breakfast, I feel it would help cement Brandon as a proper estate owner and gentleman
  • in London when Marianne won't eat any breakfast after the Willoughby ball, Elinor doesn't draw any attention to her but takes up all of Mrs Jenning's attention with conversation, I think all the adaptations have the table silent and awkward except for Jennings, but Elinor draws her out so it would be great to see to what extent this equally heartbroken 19y/o exerts herself for the sake of Marianne being unable to exert herself at all
  • When Brandon tells Elinor of his offer to Edward, and takes her hand, and speaks so seriously to her by the window, Mrs Jennings is sure he is proposing. Afterwards, "all hilarity ensued" when Elinor clears up her misunderstanding- for whatever reason I would love to see this as shot through a window, maybe over Brandon's shoulder as he descends the stairs outside?? Idk the idea of these 2 women engaging in a proper laugh together is so fun and I like the idea of maintaining some of the distance Austen produces in her narration- there is no dialogue or detail of how they talk and laugh about it all, so I like the idea of "through a window"...
  • and then maybe the camera could pan up to Marianne watching Brandon leave because she has started to view him as a Romantic Character after his confession about Eliza and information about Willoughby- I think only the 2008 version does a half decent job of showing that Marianne truly begins to see him differently and doesn't just settle for him but it begins too late, after he has helped her at Cleveland. The pity and romance of his story in London is what first softens her to him imo
  • after Willoughby's engagement is announced everyone is careful not to mention Mr W around Marianne at all and everyone succeeds, and Elinor is upset she can't figure out a way to get them to not talk about it around her as well- I don't know that any adaptation showcases this, or the continuing theme that for every hardship Marianne doesn't shoulder (not hearing about her heartache) Elinor suffers double (hearing about her own AND her sisters)
  • when Edward proposes it would be so simple to follow the stage direction in the book- it's revealed he isn't married while he mangles the scissor sheath, Elinor leaves to cry. he leaves to walk to the village- and in the course of 3 hours he's asked for permission from Mrs D and proposed and they are sitting down to dinner engaged- like I want to see her hit the hall and him hit the front yard, scissors and sheath in shambles, and then maybe he finds resolve and turns back around

1971 - the one with the lashes

  • I like how early on Edward snaps back at Fanny, as diffident and wishywashy as he seems all novel he is in the end a man of character, and, very different to his family- I thought it was a great showcase of their sibling relationship
  • overall probably the best, the most faithful adaptation. A little stage-y but once you get used to the blocking of each scene its a pretty smooth ride
  • all the men have the same very big hair so love that for whichever wig maker made bank in 1970

1981 - the one with the makeup

  • I find this one the worst, but I would watch it over the 2008 one- the sick recovery scene is lifted right out of the 71 version? Mariannes makeup while sick is too much. "teach me the ABC" i cant
  • least favourite jennings and lady middleton, would also take this edward over 2008 for book accuracy
  • I think my favourite willoughby confession though

1995 - the one with no anne steele

  • the runtime is concise, production value is amazing, and while changes are made it wraps up the story very nicely
  • in the book and every other adaptation Marianne gets to bring her instrument to the cottage, in this version Brandon buys one for her near the end after finally finding one small enough to fit their space. I think it cheapens the ending for them
  • Marianne's sickness becomes overtly about Willoughby. In this version she is still completely pining for him and becomes sick over being in the weather over him- I think in the book she is becoming a bit more embarrassed and regretful and more generally self neglectful than actively throwing herself into heartache like when he left Barton or after the London meeting. She's beginning to wonder what his intentions were and to doubt herself, I think her romantic notions bundle this shame with the heartache of losing W so she just snowballs it all into greater self neglect instead of changing her wet socks after gazing in the direction of his house in the rain

2008 - the colonel brandon show

  • very male centered production i thought. Every closeup of Brandon (and the whole duel scene) I shout at my screen WHY
  • the young women characters all look too similar- this is a pet peeve of mine in film and tv, I want each character to be very visually distinct unless its otherwise necessary to have characters be similar or ambiguous. Whenever Lucy came on screen I was like whats fanny doing here?
  • this adaptation (and 1981) just have Elinor wandering around saying yes and what and repeating the last thing someone else just said. She is constantly plying people with the niceties of conversation in the book, her efforts are unending! Give this woman some chatter!
  • the duel?????? not even book accurate duel if you are gonna include one anyway????
  • what even was the point of mr palmer in this one????
  • why are we following Brandon around to see him break Eliza's heart instead of drawing out Marianne, Elinor, and Mrs Dashwoods changing opinions of Willoughby instead???
  • loved the steele's accent in this version. Anne is described as "vulgar" and that could well mean she hasn't learned to drop her locational devonshire accent, while Lucy has more tailored speech. I thought their accents in this version were a good call!
  • Jean Marsh as Mrs Ferrars 👌chefs kiss
  • I'm always interested in how Austen describes her characters and Elinor has "delicate" complexion / skin, I think the actress in this version fit that description well!
  • I don't really like Dan Stevens as an actor like its a mark against me wanting to watch the work, so Edward has that going against him, but I also think Dan has too much natural charisma to portray Edward properly, combined with the kinda masculinization of the character in this version and its like its not even the same guy as in the book so least favourite edward unfortunately
  • this is my least favourite. I've watched it I think 3 times and probably never will again... I like the middletons (wish there was more lady middleton) and mrs dashwood, and john henry. Too much brandon, too much on the men, and too many silent close ups with minimal facial expression where there's SO much wasted opportunity to translate the interior experiences Elinor is having . Instead we get one thousand establishing shots of seashells and waves. Austen's dialogue is apparently notoriously difficult to adapt and instead of trying here just admire the Devonshire coastlin-

Favourite Elinor- 1971; she's posh and young, 1995's is just too collected and mature for a 19y/o desperately trying to hold everyone together; 81 and 08 are too bland and agape for me (they're not fanny price for petes sake!)

Favourite Marianne- 1981; I liked the actress's choice to have a bit of an affectation while she spoke, like a romantic person of that time would have. Like my generation's alt rawr girl, or the one after mine's girls reading twilight and saying you dont GET me and if you dont read you arent deep lol. I liked their return to Barton and how this version highlighted her turn-on to Brandon with his book recommendations

Favourite Lucy- 1971. The cut eye she gives Anne at Barton ommmggg. and I loved her and Anne together pinching and squabbling, shows just the difference in class to the Dashwood sisters

Favourite Fanny Dashwood- 1995; "I am the soul of discretion.... viper in my bosom!"

Favourite John Dashwood- actually I like them all, I think 71 is the weakest but thats the script timing and not the actor imo

Favourite Edward- 1971; particularly like the part where he's dismayed to find Marianne finds him reserved, it pushes this adaption's Edward to the top. He is trying to be as candid and saucy as possible with her and still she calls him reserved!!

If you've seen the new one, spoil it for me in the comments- are they seen having BREAKFAST at DELAFORD?! Or even someone coming down the stairs saying "wow what a yummy breakfast colonel I do declare" ?????


r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Adaptations A shocking realization: Mr. Collins is goals??

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Tonight I finished indoctrinating my 2.5 year old into the ways of 1995 Pride and Prejudice. It’s also the first time my husband has watched the whole way through, and he adored it! Thank goodness, no need for divorce.

I posted a few days ago about noticing Lizzy’s similarities to her mother for the first time. This next observation was my husband’s upon seeing Mr. Collins in his own home as he describes Lady Catherine’s observations on shelving.

“That guy… good for him. He’s just living his very best life, isn’t he? He loves every second of that horrible lady’s attention and meddling in his life, he married way out of his league, and he’s going to inherit Longbourne.”

And I realized… he’s right. Odious and laughable as we all find Mr. Collins, he’s kinda got it all figured out, for his own unique weird self and tastes.

May we all be as fulfilled in our lives as Mr. Collins.


r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Read-through Emma, Sporadically - Chapter 6

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I'm thinking pretty much every post is going to be spoiler-y, but I'll try to remember to note that at the top for individual posts all the same.

EXACTLY SO! -This is my favorite example of Austen crafting a unique style of dialogue for each of her characters (Mrs. Palmer's "So droll!" from S&S being a close second). Austen wrote in a way that should make it evident to the reader who is speaking without a need for dialogue tags - each character's own speech pattern/favorite expressions/topics of conversation are usually enough to guide the reader.

"His perception of the striking improvement of Harriet’s manner, since her introduction at Hartfield, was not one of the least agreeable proofs of his growing attachment."

“You have given Miss Smith all that she required,” said he; “you have made her graceful and easy. She was a beautiful creature when she came to you, but, in my opinion, the attractions you have added are infinitely superior to what she received from nature.” -Do you think Austen was trying to give us a strong hint here about something? (I would insert a goofy faced smiley, as is the millennial way, but I actually do not know how to do that in the body of a reddit post).

"Don’t pretend to be in raptures about mine." -I like that Emma sees through this pretense, even when the pretense is superficially, at least, highly complimentary to her. That she would do so even in a chapter in which we are told "and in nothing had she approached the degree of excellence which she would have been glad to command, and ought not to have failed of. She was not much deceived as to her own skill either as an artist or a musician (good!), but she was not unwilling to have others deceived, or sorry to know her reputation for accomplishment often higher than it deserved (bad!).

The annotations point out that this line "She played and sang;—and drew in almost every style;" points to "Emma's intellectual powers and of her inability to channel and direct them successfully," which is very in keeping with what Mr. Knightley said about her in the last chapter.

"But as she wanted to be drawing, the declaration must wait a little longer." -This is a hilariously selfish prioritizing of her pet projects.

"There was no being displeased with such an encourager, for his admiration made him discern a likeness almost before it was possible" -Another shout out to the Paltrow Emma for incorporating this into the adaptation! "You've expressed her completely" says Mr. Elton on beholding a blank circle.

"But it is never safe to sit out of doors, my dear." -I think it would be fun to put together a little book of specious health advice culled from ridiculous Austen characters.

“This man is almost too gallant to be in love,” thought Emma. “I should say so, but that I suppose there may be a hundred different ways of being in love." -This quote was another one that made its way into my teenaged notebook.

"He is an excellent young man, and will suit Harriet exactly; it will be an ‘Exactly so,’ as he says himself; but he does sigh and languish, and study for compliments rather more than I could endure as a principal." -This puts me in mind of "They arise chiefly from what is passing at the time; and though I sometimes amuse myself with suggesting and arranging such little elegant compliments as may be adapted to ordinary occasions, I always wish to give them as unstudied an air as possible" from Pride & Prejudice.


r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Humor / Meme Made a niche meme, please partake in my joy?

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Hellloooo. I made this meme while working on my recent substack post.

Reference to Trishna (1985), Doordarshan's (India's state owned television channel) television show, and the film Bride and Prejudice (2004), both adaptations of Pride and Prejudice set in India. As you can see, I have a clear preference.

If there's anyone here who has seen it please let me know what you think of the two lol.

Also, if there are takers for the article too let me know, I would love to share it here as well. I'm looking at how Pride and Prejudice has been kept alive through circulation and translation (including various adaptations) across the world over time.

Happy reading and watching yall!

Edit:

So glad to see all the interest on Trishna, it has been fun talking to y'all. Just to clarify what I wanted to say about Bride and Prejudice, I'm adding a link to the article I wrote. https://substack.com/home/post/p-218683962 It's a lot to get into in one post, but I would love to talk about it. But yes, the movie was definitely fun, I just had a lot of odd feelings about it, let's talk about it.


r/janeausten • • 1d ago

Pump Room Need help deciding which adaptation to show non-Austen fans

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Keeping in mind that I strongly dislike the 2005 P&P and that there's no way I can convince them to do 5 hours of viewing.

I've been debating with myself what film to show them. I was thinking Persuasion (Ciaran Hinds version) but thought that might be too dry for them. Then I thought Northanger Abbey but I'm not sure they'd get the gothic romance references.

Thoughts? Opinions? The only remotely (very remote) Regency media they've consumed is the tv version of Bridgerton.


r/janeausten • • 2d ago

Book Covers / Collections / Illustrations "Marianne, wrapped up in her own music" from 1899 edition of Sense and Sensibility illustrated by Chris Hammond

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Christiana Mary Demain Hammond, known by name Chris Hammond, (1860–1900) was an English painter and illustrator. She received her first training in drawing from her governess, and then attended the Lambeth School of Art and Royal Academy Schools. She was one of the most productive illustrators of the 1890s. Best known as an interpreter of classic fiction, she embellished texts by Jane Austen, Maria Edgeworth, W. M. Thackeray, George Eliot and a number of others, as well as contributing to Cassell’s Magazine, The Quiver, and St Pauls. She was also a painter, exhibiting genre pieces at the Royal Academy, The Royal Institute of Painters in Watercolour, the Grosvenor Galleries and in the galleries in Suffolk Street.


r/janeausten • • 2d ago

Read-through Emma, Sporadically: Chapter 5

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I think I'll be dipping in and out of spoilers, so if there is actually anyone reading along, and reading along for the first time, be warned.

"and by supplying her with a new object of interest, Harriet may be said to do Emma good" -Even the neighbors objectifying poor Harriet!

"I think they will neither of them do the other any good." -There is a good deal to be said that throughout the novel, one needs to pay careful attention to Miss Bates and her seemingly inconsequential babbling so as to properly deduce what is really going on around Emma. Mr. Knightley's insight is similarly very prophetic.

"She will never submit to any thing requiring industry and patience, and a subjection of the fancy to the understanding." -An excellent character summary.

Not so serious - Mrs. Weston responds to Mr. Knightley's criticism with a smile and just a few paragraphs later, Mr. Knightley is noted as smiling too. These smiles are, I think, pointers as to how the overall tone of these conversations should be read. More evidence towards a good-natured, relatively cheerful Knightley!

This chapter is notable in that it provides us with one of the most thorough descriptions of a character in all of Austen. I think it's fair to deduce that Emma, with her hazel eye, and admiration for Harriet's style of beauty (fair with light hair), is a brunette, which makes it all the more interesting that she has been portrayed as a blonde in the majority of the adaptations. Seems like a modern-day societal expectation that the "Queen Bee" types ought to be blondes.

"No, no; she has qualities which may be trusted; she will never lead any one really wrong; she will make no lasting blunder; where Emma errs once, she is in the right a hundred times.” -This has such an interesting mixture of accuracy and falsity. She does have qualities that can be trusted and she does ultimately make no lasting blunders. However, in the course of the novel, she errs repeatedly, and there is not altogether that many instances of her being right for Mrs. Weston's proportion to be considered accurate.

"It is very good advice, and it shall have a better fate than your advice has often found; for it shall be attended to.” -Such a telling little burn directed at the absent Emma.

“She always declares she will never marry, which, of course, means just nothing at all. But I have no idea that she has yet ever seen a man she cared for. It would not be a bad thing for her to be very much in love with a proper object. I should like to see Emma in love, and in some doubt of a return; it would do her good.” -I LOVE THIS BIT! Such gorgeous foreshadowing is exactly what makes this novel so satisfying to reread. I adore how this does come to pass for Emma, and it's Mr. Knightley himself that is the "proper object." I do wonder if at some point in his married life, he remembered he said this and smiled over the recollection.


r/janeausten • • 2d ago

Read-through Help deciphering lines from S&S please!

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Solved! Thank you all!

This may need to become a series of threads as I discover new lines actually. I’ve been trying to get back into reading as an adult, and I’m a big fan of the film adaptation of S&S and the BBC’s P&P.

I finally picked up and finished P&P, and while I found I could understand most of it, there was the occasional line where I realized I couldn’t fully comprehend what was meant. I don’t want to let that happen again while attempting to read S&S, and I’m already fumbling with some lines.

“It was necessary to the happiness of both; for however dissimilar in temper and outward behavior, they strongly resembled each other in that total want of talent and taste which confined their employments, unconnected with such as society produced, within a very narrow compass.”

The tail end of this line is confusing me: “unconnected with such as society produced”?


r/janeausten • • 3d ago

Fan Works An edit I made of the Pride & Prejudice dolls I crocheted

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r/janeausten • • 3d ago

Discussion - Sense and Sensibility A Question Re: The Dashwoods vs The Steels with the Children

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I am going off of memory, but something I’ve been thinking about and confused on is the moments in which the Miss Steels are interacting with Lady Middleton’s children.

Now, I know that Lucy is doing it to ingratiate herself with everyone, and that I believe the children are implied to basically be terrors. I think Lucy spoils them and pretends their perfect?

But the Dashwoods don’t really interact at all with Lady Middleton’s children. I think it’s overtly implied that Lady Middleton takes a shine to Lucy because she interacts with her children actively, but I don’t believe we ever really see the Dadhwoods do so.

Would it have been considered strange for them to do so? Or stranger that they didn’t? What would protocol have been for being around Lady Middleton and her children? Should the children not have been present? Was this sort of a slight on Lady Middleton as much as to show that the Dashwoods didn’t care for trying to ingratiate themselves, while Lucy is obviously underhanded and a liar/manipulator? I always felt it sort of made the Dashwoods seem a bit too cool and superior, but I know that must be lack of understanding.


r/janeausten • • 3d ago

Gifts / Merch / Swag Not a bad weekend if I say so myself 😍

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r/janeausten • • 3d ago

Adaptations Full-cast JA radio plays

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I do a lot of listening (audio books, podcasts, etc.) and recently stumbled onto a site full of "old time radio" broadcasts. I thought some of you might enjoy the Jane Austen section as much as I have enjoyed it:

https://www.radioechoes.com/?page=series&genre=Drama&series=Jane%20Austen%20Collection

A lot of the actors in these radio plays are people you'll recognize. Example: the Emma radio play includes both David Bamber (Mr. Collins, P&P 1995) as Mr. Elton, AND Tom Hollander (Mr. Collins, P&P 2005) as Frank Churchill.


r/janeausten • • 4d ago

Fan Works I drew Lady Bertram in her most awake state because she's goated

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r/janeausten • • 4d ago

Discussion - Emma Who do you think Harriet Smith’s parents are?

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I’m watching the 2009 Emma for the first time, and usually I’m not too curious about Harriet’s parents… but this adaptation brought it to my attention.

Do we think Harriet is sort of like Colonel Brandon’s ward, Eliza?


r/janeausten • • 4d ago

Discussion - General Given Names in Austen's Narratives

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I've been rereading a lot of Austen lately, and the more I read the less sure I am that I have as solid grasp on the modes of address. I know the broadest strokes (to address someone by their given name is much more intimate, the oldest daughter is always Miss [Surname] and the younger ones are Miss [Given Name Surname] to distinguish them.) But the patterns of how familiarly people are addressed, both in dialogue and in the narrative, seems to vary wildly with the men in particular, and I can't figure it out.

Bingley follows the pattern I would expect, in that everyone & the narrative refers to him as Bingley, except his sisters, who call him Charles. But in S&S, for example, almost everyone refers to Edward by his given name, both to his face, amongst themselves, and in the narration. Marianne, Mrs Dashwood, Elinor and Lucy all do it (Elinor wavers between the two). Meanwhile, absolutely nobody refers to Willoughby by his given name, and Brandon doesn't even get one! Elsewhere, Darcy is always Darcy, and Wentworth is almost always Wentworth, for example. There are probably more examples but these are the ones that come to mind rn.

Is this just a narrative clarity thing? Like, there are 3 Johns in S&S: John Dashwood, John Middleton, and John Willoughby, and that can be cleared up by having 'Mr Dashwood, Sir John, and Willoughby' (she could have just given them different names... I know there were less, but still...). And there is, infamously, more than one Mr Ferrars too. Then, on the other side, as a distinction between Darcy and other Darcies or Wentworth and other Wentworths doesn't need to be made, it isn't made...? But if this is all it is, it feels odd to extend that into dialogue. Is Edward close enough to the Dashwoods (before he marries Elinor) that they can have no issues calling him by his given name? He's sort of vaguely in their family by being the sister-in-law's brother, is that enough?

If there is a reason that I'm missing it'd be great if someone could point me in the right direction! :)


r/janeausten • • 4d ago

Adaptations Thirty years of watching P&P 1995 and noticing something…

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As my mother and I watched Pride and Prejudice 1995 on sick days when I was little, so I have introduced this tradition with my own daughter this week. (A little silver lining to enjoy while we’re under the weather!)

Anyway, we just watched the scene when Lizzy is telling Charlotte about Wickham & Darcy, and I realized that the passion and cadence of Lizzy’s voice when upset - as in when Jane and Charlotte both try to suggest that there may be another side to the story - reminds me SO MUCH of Mrs. Bennet’s huffing and puffing when she’s put out.

I wonder if this was intentional on Jennifer Ehle’s part. Either way, I find it greatly amusing!


r/janeausten • • 5d ago

Read-through Emma, Sporadically - Chapter 4

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“As a walking companion, Emma had very early foreseen how useful she might find her.”  Use, use, and use.  “a Harriet Smith, therefore, one whom she could summon at any time to a walk, would be a valuable addition to her privileges.”  The article is rather pointed as is Harriet being a "valuable addition to her privileges" - spare me that sort of friendship.

“and was confirmed in all her kind designs.”  -Free indirect discourse is my favorite. One can picture the little satisfied smirk Emma gives herself when she has this thought.  

“though strength of understanding must not be expected…exactly the something which her home required.”  -Rather dehumanizing, isn’t it?  A Harriet being the something.  There is (as seen below and above and in the previous chapters) frequent mention of variations of the word “use” in regards to Harriet. 
“Harriet would be loved as one to whom she could be useful.”

“Her first attempts at usefulness were in an endeavour to find out who were the parents;” Who is this useful for one wonders?

“sense as much above my notice as in every other he is below it” -I’m curious as to how this would be read by Austen’s contemporaries.  Is Emma’s snobbery egregious or expected?  

Emma is fighting for her life in this chapter – to lose her walking companion and new project right after she’s come alive to all of its her usefulness would be very lowering. She's just got to break up the attachment to Robert Martin, huh?

Spoilers/Adaptation mini-rant:  One of my biggest (and really only) complaint about Clueless is that Emma’s character as portrayed through Cher is just a bit too softened.  I know Amy Heckerling was looking to make a sunny and optimistic film, but it does come at the cost of Cher not being quite so off-putting as novel Emma.  In Clueless, Cher’s objection to Travis can be considered fair, in some ways, and she only gives her approval, as it were, of Travis and Tai as a couple after Travis works on his sobriety.  In the novel, Robert Martin doesn’t go through any change to be worthy of Harriet – the change is in Emma’s viewpoint entirely.

Back to the chapter:
Outside of everything else that is perfection in her writing (ha), Austen’s use of idiolect is so wonderful.  You can see it in this chapter in Harriet’s repeated use of the word “odd.”  We’re going to get to my favorite example of a character’s particular speech pattern in the next couple of chapters, so I’m looking forward to lots of foolish grinning as I read along.

More spoilers!  My favorite theory!  
“With insufferable vanity had she believed herself in the secret of every body’s feelings;”  The “mysteries” of this novel are mostly interpersonal, and Emma’s lament at the end of the novel comes from realizing she incorrectly read just about everybody’s.  I would argue that everybody includes herself - Emma is in love with Mr. Knightley the whole novel without being aware of it.  Austen puts the evidence of this out there as bluntly as she shows the reader that Mr. Elton is trying to court Emma, that Frank and Jane have something going on – one just needs to see beyond Emma’s point of view.

There is no revolution in his behavior to her during the novel, no her seeing him in a new light.  He is what he always is from the beginning, as is Emma’s appreciation of him - she always thinks him of the best, what a man and a gentleman should be in his fullest.  That she does not realize what that appreciation actually represents is very in keeping with her not really understanding, well, pretty much anything.  I also think it’s worth noting that Emma remarks on his figure twice in the novel – that’s a lot for Austen!

“Mr. Knightley’s air is so remarkably good that it is not fair to compare Mr. Martin with him. You might not see one in a hundred with gentleman so plainly written as in Mr. Knightley.”  
“Neither would Mr. Knightley’s downright, decided, commanding sort of manner, though it suits him very well; his figure, and look, and situation in life seem to allow it;”

Back to the chapter:
“ingratiating himself with either of us” -Emma seems to have forgotten this idea by the next paragraph.

“She then repeated some warm personal praise which she had drawn from Mr. Elton…” -The “drawn from” is so funny.  

“on Harriet’s there could be little doubt that the idea of being preferred by him would have all the usual weight and efficacy.” -I found this idea quite similar to how Henry Tilney is written to have fallen in love in Northanger Abbey:  “he was assured of his affection; and that heart in return was solicited, which, perhaps, they pretty equally knew was already entirely his own; for, though Henry was now sincerely attached to her, though he felt and delighted in all the excellencies of her character and truly loved her society, I must confess that his affection originated in nothing better than gratitude, or, in other words, that a persuasion of her partiality for him had been the only cause of giving her a serious thought. It is a new circumstance in romance…”


r/janeausten • • 5d ago

Pump Room YouTube channel about Jane Austin and the history of her era.

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On YouTube I found this channel. Emberly hall. They explain through the books from Jane Austin, the bronte sisters the historical context and information about the regency and Victorian era. Vert entertaining!

https://youtu.be/pOinKMCqA34?is=euf1x_XsrEoADM5U

This link is for the video where they explain the channel and what you can expect.


r/janeausten • • 5d ago

Discussion - Sense and Sensibility Sense and Sensibility question

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I recently re-watched the Ang Lee/Emma Thompson/Kate Winslet S&S. Delightful as always! But a question popped up as I watched it that has confused me and I was wondering if anyone can help me out.

I haven't read the book for a very long time so am a bit hazy on what Austen said, if anything, but....

Miss Lucy Steele is engaged secretly to Edward Ferrars. She is (as it turns out, rightly) concerned about how his family will react to their engagement and if they will accept her. When their engagement is revealed*, Edward is disowned and Mrs Ferrars (the mother) revokes his inheritance and bestows it upon Richard, the brother. So of course, Edward lets Lucy off the hook, and Lucy promptly marries Robert.

My question is how was that 'allowed'? If Lucy wasn't good enough for Edward, how was she good enough for Robert, who is now the heir? Did the family disown him too? Did Austen reference this at all?

Obviously it needed to happen for the plot to progress, but I am interested in either Austen's or your takes on it.

* That scene in the movie where Lucy tells Fanny and Fanny throws her out of the house is absolute gold. Harriet Walter played the hell out of the odious Fanny.

EDITED to make sense of one sentence, and to change Richard to Robert (thank you u/BarracudaOk8635). Full confession, I re-watched it on a plane and am jet-lagged out of my mind.