r/flyingeurope • u/Upstairs-Tear1461 • 23h ago
UK CAA UK petition - Be civil
Just reposting as It's been some time. If anyone could take a look at the petition it would be greatly appreciated, if you agree with the premise then signing up would help massively and if you don't agree then feedback is useful too. In any case please share this as much as you can to raise awareness.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/771680
Please note that the petition was proof read and edited by a third party, the petition itself is only to open the door to discussion and does not strictly have to mean rejoining EASA, it would however be useful for talks regarding reintroducing recripical licencing and trade for pilots, maintainance staff and other personnel associated with aviation in the UK and Europe. As well as to get the view by our current government in these uncertain times.
Currently as it stands the UK views Easa as a third country and as such the licences cannot be used for validation or conversion of a UK one, despite the fact that only a few years ago it could. The lack of information around this time lead to many people acting on lacking information, trying to keep ahead of a government policy that was unclear and indecisive until many were well underway with their exams. Because of this some people opted to take both the UK CAA and Easa exams, while others went with Easa predicting the governments wouldn't harm themselves, nor the aviation industry to the extent that it has.
Many views and concerns have been discussed from support to objections.
Points that have been raised are such:
Rejoining would mean submitting to european courts and laws - The uk already is subject to european laws especially regarding certain sectors, the automotive one of course has close ties for the production of european spec vehicals. Also within aviation itself there are numerous Easa commercial pilots operating in British airspace in Euro reg aircraft under foreign aocs, while this is authorised by the UK caa and government, it poses questions as to how close of a relationship the authorities should have.
There isn't the political will - due to being political in nature this has raised strong opinions on either side, some to the point of being spiteful, the response in favour of rejoining or being more reciprocal is often that we don't know unless we vote on it.
Safety - Another view is that it would improve safety and understanding through common requirements and understanding. Rejoining would harmonise aviation across europe and give more bargaining power as far as ICAO is concerned. The standards would lead to increased safety as there would be less paperwork, beurocracy and red tape.
Economical and individual benefits - Views expressed that it would boost the economy and help to grow the British aviation sector, as the canditate selection pool for most aviation personnel would be less narrow. Co-operation would increase trade, decrease training costs, give more flexibility to aspiring pilots, engineers and cabin crew for potential basing, training and costs.
It would also allow those of us with a stranded licence to convert back to a UK without the requirement to resit all 13 exams and at our cost. Some I personally have spoken to expressed discontent at the situation, some have moved countries to chase work, others are waiting to see what unfolds and many have gone to the middle east who accept Easa licences and they cannot now justify leaving work for potentially a few years.
Objections to this include concerns over immigration, while a valid concern especially given what much of brexit was about, it should be pointed out that any legislation regarding immigration would still be based on individual governments as visa requirements still apply.
These are just a few views expressed from either side.