Like, maaaaybe Dende could've further upgraded them between EoZ and GT, since Super Hero establishes that Dende can further upgrade Shenron as he grows more experienced, but I doubt the GT writers had that in mind decades prior, so I'm just willing to chalk that up as a plothole.

So I was watching the OG dragon ball but I honestly can’t bear it anymore because of how dated it is and kinda boring. So I’m switching over to the manga to finish it. I was doing some research into where i should start but apparently the anime doesn’t follow the manga? I left off on episode 69 “who is fortune teller baba”. Can anyone tell me what chapter this is?

I just started reading dragon ball after larping it throughout my whole life and I've just reached the first budokai tournament.

OG DB has an indescribable purity to it, reading Goku,Bulma,Krillin, and Yamcha's early development hits completely different when I compare them to their current counterparts

Seeing Roshi save Namu, help those islanders and try to stop his students from limiting their own growth really makes me appreciate his character more compared to that gimmicky old pervert we see in more recent works.

The series is just so enjoyable and captivating, the plot doesn't drag out, the art has aged extremely well, and reading it in lieu of what is to happen makes it feel like I'm going through an old family member's childhood 😭.

Toriyama was truly ahead of his time man..

finished episode 2. So, there’s a blue midget who wants to take over the world to punish people who fart in public with a talking dog and a…woman as his minions. Then, a talking turtle appears.

This fever dream will somehow lead to fights against gods who can destroy entire universes. I am looking forward to see how this develops.

Prior to Super, as it was understood, Goku was indifferent to his parents, which makes sense, I never met my grandparents and I have 0 feelings towards them.
Super made it seem like a Disney plot, where there was the possibility of Goku reconnecting with his parents, the one's who gave him life and brought him into the world.
I don't mind this idea, but it does go against all we knew, goku didn't care for his biological parents, it is what it is for him, not that important to him

i've been thinking about it but it seems that it's very possible that toei might do another remake to fill up the gap between moro and granolah and the only arcs left up after beerus would goku black and TOP. heck, they may even condense them into one single remake. woudl you be up for it or nah?

I mean Super and super movies arent canon to gt. Do you think gine still is goku mother and in gt continuity or not?

I’ve watched DBZ countless times. I’ve seen Dragon Ball twice I believe. I think I’ve seen GT and Super once apiece.

I’ve played a lot of the games and I engage with everything enough to pretty much tell you the story from the fish to the free for all on Beerus planet.

But I haven’t read through DB or DBZ. I only read Super and I have a couple chapters from the saiyan saga in my house. Volumes 1-4.

Anyways, tho I’m reading DB now and I just finished chapter 8. I just wanted to say this: all you Yamcha slurpers are delusional. He didn’t even beat Goku, he just landed the WFF. You guys drag that moment. The fight was a draw since your favorite character got scared of Bulma 😂. This guy sucks. Some guy even tried to tell me Yamcha beat the Saibaman before it killed him 💀. Since when does landing a hit count as a victory? They say the same thing about when he fought Kami and Tien. It’s shameful.

I’m gonna read through everything and I’m keeping an eye on Yamcha. I already know he’s a bum, but I’ll try to find any real good moments in his life to figure out if he really was the man at any point before the Saiyans arrive.

He just randomly destroys planets without any concern about the ''mortal level.'' Sure, at this point of the story the mortal level doesn't even exist in a meta sense. But lets pretend it does exist within the story's universe.

Beerus comes across a prehistoric type civilization with a promising being on it showcasing possible potential. I wasn't wearing my Scouter, but the being seemed pretty capable with the flashy show he was putting on. He was even a type of mutant that was able to transform his body to output even more power. Who knows how strong he was, but considering it was a prehistoric civilization, I'd say there was potential. What does Beerus do? Just wipes them out without a care. Maybe he could've even been a ToP fighter, who knows?

At this point of the story Beerus is a straight up villain, there's nothing grey about it. He has the power to destroy stuff, so he just destroys. A bit of Hakai here, a bit of Hakai there. Him and Whis are straight up even flying through planets. I'd even go as far to say that Goku & friends have lost the plot, with the way they end up befriending him. All because he spared them because he liked their food and was interested in Goku as a fighter. While before that moment he was just randomly bulldozing planets. I know, they don't stand any chance against him, but that means they have to pretend to be his friend? No wait, they really are his friends. Maybe Magenta was right. Bulma and her entourage are pretty evil.

Am I overthinking it? Of course! That's the fun in it.

Beerus, you sleepy neglectful bum. Who only thinks about food and his naps. No care in the world to maintain that mortal level and to do some productive Hakai'ing. Like destroying Freeza (who snuffed out plenty of potential in the universe by himself and his forces). Broly wake up, this Kakarot fellow is a menace, look who his friends are. Save the universe, Broly-san!

So some people were saying;

they were cancelled and some other people said they were not confirmed.

when they were lol,

They were working on it. But the moro arc made it tricky. So that's why they focused more on the moro arc than the remake. And we'll probably get the Goku black arc and the tournament of power saga in 2027 after the moro arc finishes.

Apparently I can’t post images here for some reason, but I got like 3 seperate quotes of Toriyama years apart one right after dbz ended and another in the broly movie, that Goku is a bad dad. Or specifically that he doesn’t think about his kids much, but there are direct quotes in other interviews where he says that Goku doesn’t consider his family in the same way other people do or that he’s not qualified to be a father due to lack of interest.

It’s fairly obvious he doesn’t care about his family like that, not in a malicious way. He loves them, in the same way he loves his friends, but it’s not like he seeks out their companionship.

He finds Gohan with his neck broken on the ground vs reccome homie does not give a fuck, he just beats up reccome with one hit and moves along, he was more upset vs nappa.

He spends many years with Gohan, did not know that Gohan doesn’t like battles like that. Apparently didn’t talk to him about what he’d been going through in the 3 years of training and the one year in the rosat.

Dude met Goten in the manga, he did not give a shit, he could have killed buu, and instead he left it to the boys, the ones that were 7 and 8 and he’d just met that day, to fight the guy that killed both their fathers (at this point that’s basically what Gohan was to goten)

He’s then leaving all the time in super, and in the end of z he leaves his family to train uub, for no reason other than he wants a good fight. To Goku > fight family. I mean hell he literally could not understand why vegeta wanted to be around for the birth of bulla.

I’m not saying he’s the devil, I’m saying that the writer says he’s a bad dad, and the evidence is everywhere in the story if you just ignore the photos of the characters smiling and judge his actions and priorities for what they are, and yet most people refuse to accept this.

I don’t understand why though, like it makes him more interesting. Goku is pure, not pure good, pure, he loves to fight, it’s what gives him his purity. The dark side of that is scene almost every arc. His fight with vegeta in the saiyan saga, lets him go cause he wants to fight him again, inspired by his power, even at the risk of the planet. In the frieza saga, let’s frieza get to 100%. In the android saga he’s bummed he didn’t get to fight the androids and his main reason to not pre kill gero is that he wants to beat the androids. Etc etc.

One of those drawbacks is that he prioritizes training and fighting over his family. This is more interesting than making him out to be some completely good person. Idk I wanna hear thoughts on this is all.

Sorry for long post.

I have read the entirety of the original Manga, but I never had the money to actually own the entirety of the manga until recently where I bought every single 3-in-1 there was so I can finally own it. To say that I was excited is an understatement.

I was already laughing at Goku's early antics and the rich character work but what really rekindled my love of the OG series and actually brought a tear to my eye is the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. You have the gag moments with Goku vs Giran, Roshi vs Krillin (Yes I will call him that over Kuririn) and also Krillin vs Bacterian, but I was reminded of one of my favorite moments of early Dragon Ball: Nam.

It was hard seeing him lose given we find his reasons for being there, but Roshi's kindness and Nam's absolute appreciation with Roshi giving him the capsule for the water, I dunno. It just made me emotional.

I feel like moments like that got lesser and lesser in Dragon Ball as the series progressed and I miss a lot of the more human, emotional moments that were really taken for granted.

I don't know why OG Dragon Ball is skipped or isn't as talked about as Goku's story as an adult in Z (even though there is no Z)

So yeah. This is an OG Dragon Ball appreciation post. I love it. I'm loving re-reading it for the first time in a physical capacity. I love this story so so much. It will ALWAYS be my favorite media.

Ok so daima is canon to super cuz of ssj4 but I isn't in gt but what if someone when supers Manga will end used the super dragon balls to erase everyone's memory of the events of super to lead into gt so that means gt might be canon

If you look through all the series the only person to ever beat Goku on a 1 on 1 fight and never have a rematch is Cell
And no , coaching Gohan in his fight against Cell doesn’t count. Cell, technically is the only being in the whole multiverse who’s ever beat Goku and never had it win challenges

I'm almost finished with Dragon ball classic, At first it started slow, I'm in love with this show, so where should I start next. (I know it's an obvious question but I like interacting with the community)

Future Trunks says that there’s a cure in the future but not in the present time. Which means it has been around and they just now made a cure or it’s new to the planet and they had to make one. Some viruses and diseases take years to have noticeable effects. Is it possible that Goku brought it back from his adventures in space?

Dont get me wrong I genuinely love the song. I've been listening to it all morning, but it just feels verry different to any kind of song they've used previously.

I’m absolutely floored that it was that long ago. In retrospect, what are your thoughts on this series?

I remember when it was the rumoured “Dragon Ball Magic”, an adventure show with Goku and Shin (or should I say Nahare). Even after it was confirmed that it would, like the ever-controversial GT, involve Goku being de-aged into a kid, I still had fairly high hopes for it. As well as being Toriyama’s new and improved(?) attempt at GT, it felt like him reworking the entire Dragon Ball revival from the ground-up, presenting how he would’ve done a post-Buu arc storyline without any outside interference. People forget that even Battle of Gods wasn’t entirely his idea.

I think the show itself was… passable. It looked great, had some funny moments, and I enjoyed most of the new characters, but it still suffered from similar pacing issues to almost every other Dragon Ball anime. There was a hell of a lot of exposition about how the Demon Realm works that was ultimately irrelevant to the story, completely fudged the timeline and rarely aided in making the setting itself interesting. I still can’t get over that the main planet of the second realm is literally just Namek again. And it’s fair to say that everything related to Super Saiyan 4 was sloppily executed, even if I liked the redesign.

At times, I questioned if this even needed to be a Dragon Ball story at all. It seemed like one of Toriyama’s one-shot comics with chibi Goku slapped on the cover.

And now, with Toei pivoting back into Dragon Ball Super anime content, it seems that Daima will stand alone as this strange, self-contained continuity. Will we ever see King Kuu again?

It just creeps me out when I think about it.

So if you die and go to heaven, unless you were an amazing martial artist AND a hero, you will not retain your body.
You will just be a little floating cloud. No eating, no hugging, no doing anything a body can do. You wouldn't be able to kiss or make love to your significant other. Ever.

To me that sounds like hell. That sounds awful, like torture.

And apparently they only really care about martial artists. I guess if you were an amazing scientist and made an invention that saved the world, sorry no body for you, because you are not a martial artist.

Then we have hell.

Hell is just a waiting place for your soul to get cleansed for reincarnation. After, you are deleted. You don't exist. It's recycling but more because there is nothing actually used again. There is nothing left of who you used to be, ever. It's no different really from normal permanent death because you cease to exist forever.

The only way to avoid this is to be so insanely evil and full of hate and need for revenge like Frieza that you resist. So if you were less evil than him I guess you couldn't.
And even then this is not really allowed, they tortured him constantly to try and break his willpower to force the reincarnation.

And I assume if you repented faster than most because you weren't truly evil, if you had moments of highly regretting what you did and wishing you hadn't, you'd just be reincarnated faster.

Neither of these places sound good. I know it's based off Japanese Buddhism and a myriad of other things like Taoism, but personally I find this idea of the afterlife pretty awful and uncomfortable to think about.

I'm just thinking if I lived in that world and was aware of how it all worked. I would be absolutely terrified of dying. I'd have to find the Dragon Balls asap to avoid it.

Anyone else?

Anyone seeing the dbs beerus page on crunchyroll ? Or just when the episode releases ? Also any news on the dub?

Goku And vegeta merge into Gogeta and Gogeta does the dance with Broly to become Brokuta. He has unlimited fusion time and stability.

This weapon is ridiculously OP in Journey to the West

Wukong himself is OP. World's first Gary Stu OC. I wish the story could have all the multiverse, Galaxy spanning stuff while staying somewhat grounded a bit more cause Goku used to be so cool

Whats the moment that makes you laugh the hardest in all of the series?

For me, i cant stop cackling at a moment from Dragon Ball. Cant remember what episode it is but essentially someone opens a window and a draft comes through that immediately sucks Emporer Pilaf straight outside. To this day its the first thing i think about when remembering the original series. God I must have rewinded that scene 20 times. Tears down my face

I liked the idea of Burter genuinely being insanely fast. I loved the whole scene of him moving so quick to grab the Dragon Ball he appeared to instantly teleport and shock everyone.

But that was quickly discarded as soon as he was fought.

IIRC the way the show works is speed/strength/ability = power level.

Someone with a power level of 12k cannot be faster than someone with a power level of 40k. It is impossible. Like it's basically a rule of the greater Dragon Ball universe that cannot happen.

I've never really been a fan of this. I like the idea of some characters having things that set them above or at least matched with characters that are much stronger than them.
I like the idea of speed characters being able to outspeed Goku because they basically put all their stats into speed and agility.

But that's just not how it works and it's kinda disappointing.

And then even if that was a thing... they could never damage anyone, because power level also = durability. You could genuinely be so fast that no form of Goku could ever keep track of you and his mind could not possibly sense you quick enough. But it wouldn't matter, because your strongest punch and strongest beam attack would barely tickle him.

Almost every fight is the same:
Goku is already far past the character in power level, so they are literally incapable of doing anything to him whatsoever. Nothing will work.
The other character is far above Goku, but then he powers up and now they are literally incapable of doing anything to him whatsoever. Nothing will work.

I would love to have fights where the character is physically weak and basically not as good as Goku, but can make up for it in other ways, like they have extremely powerful energy attacks and defense, so Goku can't punch through it, but as soon as that's down they're cooked. But it never works that way. They'll just be like "my energy ability is superior to you! you can never beat me!" and then Goku transforms and immediately punches through it and they explode or something.