r/baseball • New York Mets • 23h ago

Analysis Despite his mechanical changes and surface-level success with the Rays since August 26th, many of Freddy Peralta’s underlying stats remain quite similar to his bad stretch with the Mets.

Disclaimer: No this is not coming from a salty Mets fan despite my flair. I am happy that Freddy is having success, but there are extremely important caveats to that success. 

Ever since August 26th, it may seem like Freddy Peralta is one of the best pitchers in baseball if you just look at ERA. However, for all that has been made about Peralta’s latest string of success, it is noteworthy how many of his underlying peripherals have gone effectively unchanged.

Comparing ERA, FIP, xFIP, and SIERA
Freddy Peralta 3/26 to 8/25: 5.33 ERA / 4.66 FIP / 4.36 xFIP / 4.34 SIERA
Freddy Peralta 8/26 to 9/25: 0.79 ERA / 2.78 FIP / 4.44 xFIP / 4.27 SIERA
Freddy Peralta’s Postseason: 0.84 ERA / 3.76 FIP / 4.94 xFIP / 4.43 SIERA

Despite far lower ERAs through the last two periods, Peralta’s FIP doesn’t change as much and his xFIP and SIERA remain virtually identical across all three periods. That is notable, since xFIP and SIERA are stats that claim to account for elements “within pitcher control” that ERA can’t fully capture. If xFIP and SIERA say that Peralta has been the same pitcher for basically the entire year, what is causing them to disagree with ERA so much?

xFIP and SIERA usually try to account for Left on Base %, BABIP against, and Home Run to Fly Ball rate. SIERA more actively tries to take batted ball distribution into account, while xFIP just normalizes HR/FB rate within the normal FIP stat. These peripheral stats try to account for things that may be considered “luck-based” for a pitcher. And when examining these peripheral stats for Peralta, they certainly paint a picture of a pitcher who was getting extraordinarily unlucky before now getting extraordinarily lucky. 

More peripheral stats (for outcomes the pitcher doesn’t typically control themselves):
Freddy Peralta 3/26 to 8/25: 67.0% LOB / .311 BABIP / 13.6% HR/FB
Freddy Peralta 8/26 to 9/25: 94.0% LOB / .187 BABIP / 2.2% HR/FB
Freddy Peralta’s Postseason: 100.0% LOB / .207 BABIP / 5.9% HR/FB

Freddy Peralta’s strand rate (LOB%) after August 26th is absurdly high, and is way higher than any qualified pitcher in that timespan by a long shot when the league-average is 72.3%. It isn't uncommon to see ace pitchers maintain high strand rates in a season, but it is still luck-based enough to the extent that fluctuations in small samples can heavily affect ERA.

Maintaining low BABIPs is more controllable, but it is rare for it to hover around or below .200 over a larger sample. It is also more suspect with Peralta given that he has never been much of a groundball pitcher, but improved stuff can definitely still help with this if it decreases hard hit rate. This is also why xERA (which isn't listed here) has improved given worse quality of contact against, even if the batted ball distributions that go into SIERA doubt that it can sustain itself. Improved defense can also help with lower BABIPs.

HR/FB rate usually hovers around 11%, and it is generally not expected for a pitcher to maintain rates that are wildly below or above that mark for an extended period of time. However, small samples can produce low HR/FB rates that paints a more rosy picture of a pitcher’s ability.

tl;dr: Even if Freddy Peralta has improved as a pitcher on the Rays compared to the Mets, that improvement is being heavily obfuscated by stats that indicate that he is getting highly lucky across this specific sample of starts. As a matter of fact, certain peripheral stats don’t actually believe he is a very different pitcher at all. His true pitching ability is somewhere in between his Mets self and his Rays self.

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u/floyd_mongol New York Mets 20h ago

this is some hardcore cope. why cant you just accept the fact that the rays are a well run organization and the mets are not.

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u/imatthewhitecastle Hot Dog 18h ago

We should just not have team flairs. This post is an interesting observation and it is interesting to neutral fans that his predictive numbers haven’t changed. It shows that the Rays are doing something different with him that isn’t captured by those stats, and I would think that any fan would be curious as to what that is. Yet even with the disclaimer, OP just gets responses like this from people who look at the flair and make assumptions. There isn’t a bitter word in OP’s entire post.

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u/foomits Tampa Bay Rays 17h ago

I'm not smart enough to full understand all the stats.

But (and this has sort of been mentioned ad nauseum), beyond changing his pitch mix, he also is now working out of the stretch and getting 3 inches further extension on his plant foot.

I appreciate there are people who understand these metrics way better than me. but can someone explain so I can understand why a player could make significant changes to their approach, leading to improved outcomes but the underlying metrics would say well.. actually those things didnt matter?

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u/futhatsy Mets Bandwagon • Confirmed Ball 15h ago

I think it's 2 things:

  1. Stats like xFIP and SIERA are not perfect. SIERA in particular is pretty rarely used these days. xFIP treats all balls in play the same and assumes a normal HR/FB rate. I think it's likely that Peralta made tangible changes for the better that just are not being picked up by these stats.

  2. Even if we accept that the mechanical and pitch mix adjustments helped Peralta turn his season around, it's probably not 100% of the reason his ERA went from over 5.00 to under 1.00. Some of this is a regression to the mean in batted ball and sequencing luck.

When some stats say it's all a change in luck, and other stats point to clear improvements, it's probably a combination of the two.

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u/pepperouchau Milwaukee Brewers 17h ago

He’s significantly changed his pitch mix with the Rays as was mentioned on the tv broadcast

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u/takethreenc Tampa Bay Rays 18h ago

It's cope let's be for real now.