r/WarhammerCompetitive • u/Impboy83 • 16h ago

40k Analysis Marines are in a weird place

Played a few battles with the new Marines and they play weird. The extra thoughness doesnt seem to matter much, they die just as fast as before. Lack of ignore cover makes them hit on 4+ on average. Played a game vs orks and they even shoot more and better then marines...orks shoot better then marines, how weird is that.

Im still looking for tactics that work, but overal Marines feel pretty weak. Im a missing someting? There are some strong combos, but cost alot of points. And when you fail to kill something the unit always dies in return.

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u/gallowstorm 16h ago

Skill issue.

Orks have had a book for over a month, Marines are brand new. Reps could be a big difference. Orks good stuff meta is mostly known. Marines good stuff meta hasn't been fully developed.

Marine book has a lot of opportunities to make bad/inefficient decisions. If you aren't skilled at list writing and there aren't any established "net lists" you can easily make a bad list.

Also, orks are the only other 11th ed book so they are on an even footing (approximately). Try punching down into non-11th ed codex armies and I'm sure the marine changes will feel stronger.

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u/Impboy83 14h ago

So what you suggest to do then? Saying skill issue doesnt help anyone

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u/donggeh 12h ago

It’s not like you’ve provided any info on what you’re currently doing either…list? Mission? Layouts?

Orks pay a character tax for access to ignore cover and the +1 to hit is limited to either meks of specific detachments/datasheets so it seems like you’re just selectively cherry picking when you got a super juiced codex just last week