Marines are in a weird place

[u/Impboy83]

Played a few battles with the new Marines and they play weird. The extra thoughness doesnt seem to matter much, they die just as fast as before. Lack of ignore cover makes them hit on 4+ on average. Played a game vs orks and they even shoot more and better then marines...orks shoot better then marines, how weird is that.

Im still looking for tactics that work, but overal Marines feel pretty weak. Im a missing someting? There are some strong combos, but cost alot of points. And when you fail to kill something the unit always dies in return.

[u/PollutionMajestic668]

I wonder if Russian bots are making Space Marine apologetic threads as a side job

53.3 WR and ~19% X-0/X-1 with 540 games with a brand new codex