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Warhammer 40K app 2.8.0 changelog (v981) - Adeptus Custodes codex, FAQ's and other changes
GW App update to 2.8.0
Hey all! It is once again time for another app update. Most of you noticed the MFM was updated with the new points, but we now also have the full AC codex drop for the app and a load of other changes.
According to my own, obviously bad (since I'm mostly a coder, not a pro player đ), opinion it is a ton of clean up for previous patch notes.
Worth mentions
First of all, the Callidus seems to have lost Precision on her shooting? Not sure why that is or if it was mentioned anywhere. No longer the character killer of old. She did receive Blast 2 on the Neural Shredder though.
[edit] I'm an idiot. Seems Torrent weapons can't have Precision. That was already in the core rules đ«Ł [/edit]
All AP on Chaos stuff was changed to -1 instead of 1. Seems to be a chore update.
Belial can finally be attached to a Terminator Assault Squad.
BA Death Company Captain got hit hard with the nerf stick on its power fist. Went to 3 attacks on a 3+!
FAQ
There were a lot of changes to the FAQs, but I'm not sure if that was just because the AC ones got removed and others got shuffled around or not. So take a good peak at the Core Rules changelog on GDM to make sure!
Get the full patch notes here for both Factions & Core Rules:
a lot of these feels like it should be in the dataslate rather than a FAQ; no disembark->heroic, the evaluator and enhancments in transports are all pretty clear RAW, and this should really update their text rather than just be a FAQ.
going through the faction stuff theres a lot here that is just updates (or even changed points!) rather than just FAQs. Im glad GW does update stuff but it feels very haphazard
FAQs have a purpose but they should not contain rules. They should only answer a question that is clearly answerable by the rules, but one that is frequently asked either due to how common it is or difficulty connecting many rules together.
I'm forever confused by what Games Workshop thinks belongs in an faq.
Half the time it's straight up adding rules that simply don't exist without the faq telling you so, and half the time it's "Rule X says Y, does that mean Y? Yes"
It's not no disembark -> heroic, it's no rapid disembark to heroic. As far as i'm aware this only effects the Trukk which specifies that models make a rapid disembark move. (could be wrong if there's something new in the SM codex)
The Trukk is a bit of an outlier as it's an out of sequence disembark which specifies rapid disembark even if the transport didn't move, but I get the impression it's supposed to be a blanket "no charge of any type, including Heroic Intervention, if you disembarked from a transport which moved this turn". Would also apply to something like the Chimera with it's advance & disembark ability, but not a Land Raider where it's ability overrules this
Edit: Actually scratch that, the FAQ specifies "this turn". Maybe it is just the Trukk
Because people want a way to charge out of them after they move which leaves a lot of different scenarios to cover if you don't want that to be a general rule.
It was always RAW that you lose it. Warlord is a keyword tag applied during list building. The core rules are super clear that in order to benefit from any rules related to a keyword the model must be alive
Very important for the Supreme Commander "must be your Warlord" characters like primarchs and Ghaz, and it'll get more important as codices come out. Fumbling Ghaz and having him die on turn 3 loses you a chunk of CP generation. When Tau get their codex, sniping a Shadowsun on turn 2 could really mess up their plan.
They actually avoided this!
It's the same detachment but the stratagem only refreshes 'Once per game, per unit abilities'.
This (and Trajan's moment shackle) are 'once per game, per army' rules.
Edit: The stratagem also specifies Datasheet abilities so would never work on Superior Creation
Moment Shackle (Once per battle, per army): At the start of the phase, etc etc.
The strat timing
When: any phase, when a friendly Custodes character model has used a (Once per battle, per unit) datasheet ability.
RAW, the strat doesnât work on Trajann however best thing to do is email the GW FAQ email for confirmation if it was intended to work that way or not.
The dude youâre replying to doesnât like that his interpretation is contradicted by the text heâs reading basically. đ But if the intention was for it to work, itâll get corrected.
Tournaments are great because we play by the rules and leave bullshit interpretations at the door. In 6 years I've not had a rules issue at a tournament that wasn't solved by just checking the books with my opponent. I have had that when I've gone to clubs/LGS. If that makes us "sweaties" so be it, go and play your vibe hammer somewhere else
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But that isn't the only loadout that can take it. It also gives dev wounds and the most common choice (psychic Inquisitor) regularly has that as well. That doesn't make it incorrect.
It's really kinda silly that GW doesn't publish their own changelog like this. It's not like people memorize all of the rules and then read through every single one of them every update to compare.
It's doubly concerning because if they can't publish a changelog document, it brings into question how poorly maintained their internal documents are since it's a plug in place doc with no downsides.
Death company captain thing is worse, as he is otherwise still on the same weapons as a blood angels captain, with +1A. Except he's worse at power fisting?
Its only really bad because they keep half-assing these changes and so far before launch almost every book has had an errata before its launch. it really shouldn't be this hard to have a decent change log with your app
Is this kind of thing way worse this edition that before? I swear, every week there are bugs and errors and updates that half fix things but break other things.
I think I want to surface the bigger issue here. This is a massive update.
I'm an event TO and we normally lock rules changes about 1 week before list submission to make a consistent playing field for folks to use the models they have in their collection. This clearly isn't going to work anymore so I'm not going to bother with a rules cut off that isn't later than the Friday before list submission.
But the quality of life changes in this pack are high enough to warrant that being overturned.
Games Workshop listen to me; just set a date for rules and FAQ releases. Just tell me which days they are going to happen on so I can account for it in my event packs. Please.
Huh decimus kill team gained the gravis and tacticus keyword but not the Phobos keyword despite there being a Phobos guy in there. They also gave him the tacticus +1 toughness but no movement buff so Iâm not surprised they forgot
So no shoot and remain hidden in Phobos shadow force, but you can give the unit transhuman in gravis siege force or +1 to hit in shooting in line breaker which seems like a nice force multiplier
Take 2 Decimus Kill Teams with DW Support and Tacticus Firestorm and Gravis Linebreaker. Get Rapid Fire on the 2 Gravis models and also +1 to hit natively on all the Tacticus models. You also get access to the charge mortals on 3+ on the whole unit from the Gravis stratagems despite only having 2 Gravis models. Probably not gamebreaking but very silly.
I will take the trade anyway. Been able to start attrition T1 is huge for Windhost. And it's not like our melee was oppressif because of the sudden strike...
It's good they clarified that, because while many tournaments ruled that wording didn't allow t1 ingress, they were reading the rule wrong. It's good that GW cleared it up. Obviously play by the TO interpretation during the tournament, but now they'll hopefully fix it
Couple other bugs got squished I was happy to see. EC Tormentors now no longer get flagged as having the wrong wargear selection no matter what they have selected, Lord Exultant in app was updated to T5. Over in Iron Hands land, they fixed that Caanok Vaar can now attach to terminator squads and is no longer just locked to terminator assault squads.
It depends when the reduction occurs. If reduction is at wound allocation, it doesnât apply because dev wounds end the attack sequence before you get to the allocation step. If the reduction happens earlier (there are some that apply when the target is declared IIRC) then the reduction works.
Nope. When an attack inflicts dev wounds, the attack sequence ends after the wound roll. As allocation only happens after the save roll, the damage reduction never activates.
An attack is targeted at a unit (04.02). There is no allocation to a model until you are in the save step (05.03)
Magnus the Redâs Impossible Form would work against dev wounds because it applies when the attack is made, not when it is allocated.
âImpossible Form (Psychic): Each time an attack is made against this PSYKER (excluding Psychic Attacks), subtract 1 from the Damage characteristic of that attack.â
So is the Tank Shock stratagem update. This section is ordered on when they were added (newest to oldest), so the change to the consolidation was part of a very early update (931).
The errata was published today, but the app data already had BS 2+ since the 2 October update. The errata just makes the earlier fix official. The errata section lists errata published in this update; it does not mean every listed stat changed today.
That is why it is in a separate section and not under Logan himself.
So for Dark Angels, the Land Speeder Vengeance could take the Nightforged Battery three times pre codex. After codex, it was flagged as an error with a max of one, but was misspelled "upgarde", so folks thought it was a coding error.
The spelling has been fixed, and still shows a max of one... are we to believe this is actual factual now?
Sisters Penitent Host can now use the vows (aka "Holy Waagh") in their own command phase instead of start of the Battle Round. Thats a pretty big one.
Triumph wording for auto 6 has been fixed, exorcists got cheaper (!?)
So youâre telling me that every other -1 to hit unit in the game loses their -1 to hit but some yellow terminators get to be -2 to hit in cover just because the yellow space marine playerâs OP space marine rules arenât as good as the blue or green space marine playerâs rules
Because they are fighting other space marines. Played well they do literally everything better than everyone. I know they want to boost sales with the new codex but that should not be how balancing is done at all
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u/Deep_Film_861 18h ago
a lot of these feels like it should be in the dataslate rather than a FAQ; no disembark->heroic, the evaluator and enhancments in transports are all pretty clear RAW, and this should really update their text rather than just be a FAQ.
going through the faction stuff theres a lot here that is just updates (or even changed points!) rather than just FAQs. Im glad GW does update stuff but it feels very haphazard