An adaptation completely botches the original theme and message

[u/Morr4Seiya]

Mulan(2020)-They give Mulan superpowers which is not only lame it goes against the message of the original about equality and struggle,plus they removes Shang because apparently having Mulan date her superior was "problematic" even though Shang genuienely respected Mulan and their rank was never brought up

I am Legend(2007)-You know why the story is called "I am legend"? SPOILER ALERT the protagonist is the actual monster,humanity is gone and the vampires have a actual society and the protagonist kills and terrorize them

Animal Farm(2026)-On the very slim chance that Andy Serkis ever sees this,here's the thing Andy,Animal Farm was not a children work it was not supposed to have a happy ending,you never heard of cautionary tales before?

[u/NoChairGaming]

Did you mean... nah, that's been done already.

But was the book really that fascist? It was a military society but from what I remember from almost twenty years ago: they only discriminate against people who didn't serve by not letting them run for office (and voting?) while also not really showing the society as some wonderful utopia. And having politicians actually participate in the society before running it instead of professional broilers is a discussion we can all have.

[u/just-letmereadyacunt → u/NoChairGaming]

There's absolutely nothing fascist about the Starship troopers society.

Theirs is a liberal democracy that takes the idea of the citizen soldier into its natural ending, a principle all early democracies had but got phased out when democracies devolved into bureaucracies.

Fascism is a totalitarian system where eveyone belongs to the state for the state to use them as they consider fit.

In the Starship troopers world the state can't even draft you to ensure its own survival.

If people don't want to fight for the system then the system will literally die to foreign invasion, no draftee army to defend the supreme leader from enemies in a total war.

The only benefit from military service is voting, nothing more, private property, free speech, sexual preference, freedom of association, gun ownership, literally all other rights are given at birth.

Compare that to fascism where the state is supposed to control your thoughts, where you work, your education, you will be eliminated for proving dangerous to the regime, all in order to create the "new man" for a new age of utopian egalitarianism.

The idea behind both star ship troopers and the citizen soldier principle is not that war=good, but rather that if those that can vote fight for the nation, they will be significantly less motivated to vote for laws that will destroy the nation in the long run because not only they have something to lose but they risked their lives for the system is unlikely they'll vote to degrade what they risked their lives for, is not at all about militarism.

Militaristic societies don't make it impossible for the state to draft armies.

That dutch director is just an idiot Hippie that thinks "army=fascism"

[u/Vocal__Minority → u/just-letmereadyacunt]

In terms of the book it certainly has fascistic elements, such as glorification of the military and voting restricted to an elite.

In terms of the film, the society it depicts is certainly fascistic - pulling out and emphasising elrments of the book that lean that way, although it's quite subtle (somehow, in the bombastic nature of the movie as a whole) about what it's showing you.

[u/VastAddendum → u/Vocal__Minority]

That is not even remotely what fascism is. They are literally in a state of war after being attacked so badly an entire city was wiped out in one hit. Of course it's a pro- military society. That's like saying Britain in WW2 was fascist for being pro- military as they fought to hold off the Nazis.

And voting is not restricted to "the elite", it's restricted to those who have served their country. You don't have to agree with the idea, but that's not a tenet of fascism.

[u/hallucination9000 → u/VastAddendum]

I think it's interesting to compare the Federation's voluntary service-based citizenship to real life countries with birthright citizenship and compulsory service.

[u/Vocal__Minority → u/VastAddendum]

You sound like one of those people who really don't want ideas they like to be fascist.

Also someone who doesn't understand allegory and thinks very literally