r/theunforgiven • • Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Army List Best HQ to lead Deathwing Knights?

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When it comes to the Deathwing Knights, which HQ unit do you prefer to run them with and why? And would spending the points on a Terminator Ancient worth this unit combo?


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Painting Glad to be done with 25% of my army

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r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Showcase The Armageddon Librarian is ready to take down some foes!

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I tried to play with the light a bit more this time, going for more volumetric highlights rather than edge highlights.
Giving me the opportunity to also play around with OSL on the magical armor parts which was also a lot of fun.

Ended up using some ink for the runes and panels which kept to the recesses relatively well using a 10/0 brush. All in all I’m quite happy with how it came out


r/theunforgiven • • 4h ago

Painting My Dark Angels tactical squad temporary display! Description in first reply...

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r/theunforgiven • • 17h ago

Showcase Very happy with how Belial turned out. Was just waiting for better stats to give me a reason.

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r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Painting Deathwing color

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Hello, question what paints do you guys use for the deathwing characters either the dwt, the dwk or the sternguard, etc.

I normally use the citadel morghast bone but im out of it already so i was wondering what other do you recommend? Also i normally prime my minis grey so i think the seraphim sephia with white primer combo might not work with grey primer.


r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Showcase Custom chapter master and deathwing knights

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Finally finished my custom chapter master + some old deathwing knights


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Painting My Librarian from the Armageddon set

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r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Misc. For the Lion!

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Our primarch has come home. After finishing his book I had to get his joytoy. One day I hope to build and paint his mini aswell.


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Building Does it feel like an Ancient for you ?

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I'm trying to recycle my numerous Dark Vengeance Terminators and the Sergeant has a little something that makes him more like a character. I had a banner and some Watchers lying around and thought about him carrying the banner.

What do you think about the idea? Is it enough to mark him as an Ancient ?

Thanks in advance


r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase Final pic of my DA collection

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I bought my first models in september 2024. And what a journey it has been since then. I have never played a strategic tabletop before i stumbled over 40k (the closest i came to this before was playing DND 5E). By pure coincidence, Dark Angels became my main and only army. Now i own close to 8500 points of Dark Angels. And at the time of this post, i am one of the best DA players in my country (Germany).

Due to personal reasons i will probably be a lot less involved in WH40k than i was the past 2 years, maybe I will have to quit 40k alltogether.

With this post I just want to share what my midlife-crises-hobby-discovery has led to. Maybe the end of a very intensive 2 year journey into a very niche (and lets be honest, very autistic) hobby and community.

Thank you.

Thank you for your advice. For your Lore explanations. For your completly unhinged takes on whatever GW does with the rules. It has been a fun time.

I don't know whether i will be able to continue playing 40k on a competitive level going into 2027, but i can promise you: I will stay loyal to the first legion. No matter the rules, i will field them to RTT's, GT's and Majors, if I get the chance to play.

For in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war. And the Angels of Death, the first Legion of the Emperor of Mankind, will stand fast.


r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Showcase Successor chapter Eradicators

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The Multi-melta gunner is a Risen, originally a Legion Devastator


r/theunforgiven • • 23h ago

Army List Ezekiel with Bladeguard.

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Working on an Army List and I plan to include Ezekiel as he is a lot of fun to play, especially when his ability to Assassinate Characters goes off. That being said, I'm planning on putting him with a unit of Bladeguard as his Bodyguard, but is there any other unit you would recommend? If not, would adding a Bladeguard Ancient be worth it? Or should I save the points?


r/theunforgiven • • 1h ago

Gameplay will this create problems in tabletop

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is it too much outside of the base?

ps: i think i flared this right? it is a rule question after all(?)


r/theunforgiven • • 42m ago

News/Rumors what hapened to the primaris chaplin?

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r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Meme/joke My wife loves me

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Wife made me index cards


r/theunforgiven • • 1h ago

Painting Hear me out

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I play locally, and I’ve asked a bunch of people at my LGS if they would care if I used a large base for Ezekiel, who technically is a 25 firstborn model from 30 years ago. No one cares. And since I love his rules, I present blue asmodai that I will be running as Ezekiel until somebody stops me


r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase “I knew the battle was lost the moment i saw the teleportation flare, and the pale armour”

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r/theunforgiven • • 5h ago

Gameplay The list i played today :

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Today, i played a fluff list versus an Emperor's children.

I had a blast with this :

Dark Angels - Darkflight Pursuit, Ironstorm Spearhead (1000pts)

Lazarus (80pts): Warlord
Apothecary (45pts)
4x Company Heroes (125pts)

3x Outrider Squad (80pts)

5x Infiltrator Squad (85pts)

5x Scout Squad (65pts)

2x Invader ATVs (140pts) (2 Meltas)

Land Speeder (105pts)

Land Speeder (105pts)

Land Speeder Vengeance (160pts) + Nightforged battery

It was a fun game !
Company of Heroes is suprisingly tanky (first time playing it).
And the free reroll on 1 hit and 1 wound on each vehicule is so nice.

Next time i will try in 2000pts with stormlance. Probably adding a Landspeeder and a Stormspeeder and a lot of bike.


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Building Where are these supposed to go?

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Maybe I'm a dumbass, idk, where are these supposed to be glued on?🤣


r/theunforgiven • • 20h ago

Gameplay Arguing about the ICC abilities

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Someone argues that having Azrael to ICCs makes them lose Stealth, as it's stated that all models in that unit must have the Stealth keyword to gain permanent cover, but Azrael doesn't have it.

My interpretation is that ICCs don't have Stealth as their core ability, but rather grants Stealth to the models in the unit via Braziers of Judgment, which is the datasheet ability, hence any character model that joins ICCs automatically gains Stealth, so they get the benefit of cover at all times.

I just wanna make sure I got the rules right.


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Army List 25-30 terminator list?

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has any of y’all used a mostly death wing list with maybe a few mission unit and if so how did it play out and would you mind sharing it


r/theunforgiven • • 4h ago

Army List What do you guys think of this list?

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Hellblasters go pew pew (1 995 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Stormlance Task Force and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2 000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Azrael (150 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Lion's Wrath
• 1x The Lion Helm
• 1x The Sword of Secrets

Hellblaster Squad (230 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Hellblaster Sergeant
◦ 1x Ceramite Fists
◦ 1x Plasma Incinerator
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
• 9x Hellblaster
◦ 9x Bolt Pistol
◦ 9x Ceramite Fists
◦ 9x Plasma Incinerator

Attached unit 2

Belial (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Master-crafted Storm Bolter
• 1x The Sword of Silence

Deathwing Terminator Squad (380 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power Fist
◦ 1x Storm Bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminators
◦ 3x Chainfist
◦ 2x Plasma Cannon
◦ 6x Power Fist
◦ 7x Storm Bolter

Attached unit 3

Librarian (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Force Weapon
• 1x Smite

Inner Circle Companions (180 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 6x Inner Circle Companions
◦ 6x Calibanite Greatsword
◦ 6x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Attached unit 4

Chaplain on Bike (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol
• 1x Crozius Arcanum
• 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Invader ATVs (70 Points)
• 1x Armoured Impact
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Combat Knife
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Boltgun
◦ 4x Combat Knife

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r/theunforgiven • • 28m ago

Painting Strike Force Variel

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I’m not holding my breath, but hopefully we get some updates to them. Anyway, just some touch-ups and then, the dreaded transfers to go.