r/Shotguns • u/HAKALA92 • 4h ago
r/Shotguns • u/ENclip • Jan 24 '23
Thinking about buying your first shotgun or deciding on a new one? Here is the current /r/Shotguns buyer's guide.
I've been around shotguns and this sub awhile. I decided to make a guide post and pin it to the top for those visiting this sub to read. A ton of posts here come down to common questions like "What shotgun do I buy at $ budget?" "Would this be good for my needs?" or "X vs Y shotgun." I'll try to give some suggestions here based on personal experience, community consensus I've seen over the years, and other points. However, this isn't the be all end all of information. I encourage you to research on your own. The comments are open to the community to critique anything they see, add other suggestions, ask for help, or make their own write up.
Before I get started, you should first ask yourself some questions about what this new shotgun will be for. Use case is important for what you will be buying. Are you hunting? What will you be hunting? Are you trap, sporting clays, or skeet shooting at a local range? Are you buying it for defense, or just blasting cans? Maybe both? Most importantly, what is your budget? You may also want something fairly capable for everything. Also, try and go out to a physical store and try the feel of different guns. How a shotgun fits you is important for hitting targets and comfort.
PUMP ACTION: Utilitarian, reliable, and fairly simple. It is a common choice of the sportsman and citizen looking to defend themselves. They can be had on a tight budget without sacrificing much quality. Be mindful and practice extensively with your pump gun as short-stroking is a potential human error that you need to train out of yourself so it doesn't happen in a stressful scenario.
Recommendations 1.) $200-250 budget. The only real option here that is a known quality budget pump is the Maverick 88. The security model will be good for defense. The field model will be an okay starter entry for casual clays or hunting. You can also get a combo deal which comes with both the 18.5" barrel and 28" field barrel that takes chokes.
2.) $250-500 budget. In this range the playing field opens up. The primary suggestion is going to be a Mossberg 500, which is basically just a less budget Mav 88. You could also opt for the Benelli Nova or Supernova if you prefer the fit, style, 3 1/2" chamber, or finish. Remington 870s used to be a mainstay of this budget, but since 2007 their quality control went far down hill. They recently went under and were reacquired last year reintroduced as "RemArms." Not much is known if quality has greatly improved as they have only recently started pumping out guns again. If you like the 870, hunt down an old 870 Wingmaster. [EDIT 2024: RemArms 870s have seemingly shown their quality. I would be okay with recommending them now if you want a new 870.] If you are feeling like a used older gun, Ithaca 37s, Winchester Model 12s, and more are available. Be aware some old guns and choke combos may not be a good idea for steel shot (a type of non-toxic ammo used for migratory bird hunting). If you want something defense oriented, pick a 18.5" barrel Mossberg 500 or a 590/590A1. Avoid guns without a stock, like the shockwave, for practical use.
3.) $1000+. If you are feeling exotic, you can get a Benelli M3. This is a hybrid design that is able to use both pump action or semi-auto. It's a bit of a novelty, but if you have a large budget, it's a worthy consideration.
SEMI-AUTO: Faster follow up shots, smoother recoil, and more expensive. The semi-auto is a favorable option if you can afford one. There are two main action options, gas vs inertia. Gas guns use some of the gas from the fired shell and use it to cycle the action. Inertia does not do this and is similar to recoil operated guns which means you have no gas system to clean. Both have their benefits.
Recommendations 1.) $450-700 (there is nothing worth buying below this). This is teetering on the edge of spending too little to get a quality new semi, but there are a few that may suit you. One is the Mossberg 930, another is the Stoeger M3000. These are the bare minimum I'd go for though they may be finnicky (EDIT 11/10/2024: as an example of why you may not want the M3000, especially for defense, watch this video on the M3000. It doesn't do well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX7MiIUx7_E ) , both are available in tactical or field models. For used options, old greats like the Remington 1100, Browning Auto 5, etc are out there.
2.) $700-1000. In this area the default suggestion is the excellent Beretta A300. This is probably what you want on the clay field or out hunting if this is your budget. The Franchi Affinity is also a favorite of many and uses the inertia system (the A300 is a gas gun). If you want a tactical option in this range, the Mossberg 940 Tactical is a new offering that you can check out. The new Beretta A300 Patrol is another good new option to check out in this range if seeking a tactical or defensive style shotgun. For Women shooters: the Franchi Affinity does have an option called the Catalyst which has stock dimensions that are designed to be suited to women. But as stated earlier, try out the fit of options as most things aren't one size fit all for either sex even if designed with women in mind.
3.) 1000+. The sky is the limit here. Anything from Benelli, Browning, or Beretta in this range will be exquisite quality and a great option. You could pick up a M2, Super Black Eagle, A5, A400, etc for sporting uses and be happy. Though there are models in there that are more geared for clays vs field and vice versa, check out the manufacturer sites for details. For tactical options, the kings of them all are the Benelli M4 ($1600+) and Beretta 1301 ($1200-1300). Honorable mention to the Benelli M1 Super 90, M2 and M3 for defensive use.
OVER UNDER: A break action, stacked dual barrel, design that is widely favored by clay shooters and hunters across the world. Despite how they initially look, over under shotguns are more complex than semi-auto or pumps to make which makes them much more expensive for a quality one.
Recommendations 1.) Below $1000. I personally wouldn't get any new O/U under $1000. While you can find okay ones under $1k, they just aren't usually (YMMV) that amazing and you would be better off spending your budget on an A300 or save up further. The main problem is longevity and quality control, so if you are maybe just taking it out once in awhile be my guest to try out a CZ, Yildiz, etc Turkish import offering in this range. As the saying goes, you get what you pay for. But you may get one that lasts. As far as used goes, keep an eye out for old used Browning Citoris or Mirokus as they can hover in the $900s. Japanese made Ithaca/SKBs are also common and decent used options. Others can chime in with their experience on sub-$1k O/Us.
2.) Over $1k. The default here is going to be the Browning Citori or Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon series. You'd be well served by basically any O/Us from either of those companies. It comes down to specific use and preference. There are other options out there besides those companies, but I will leave that up to you to research further.
SIDE BY SIDE: A break action, dual barrel, design that's a bit dated by now, but still enjoyed by many sportsmen. Side by sides have been outpaced by the O/Us in practical use, so you won't see very many new options nowadays.
Recommendations 1.) $300-1000. Like O/Us, side by sides are complex and cost a lot for good quality. The bright side is that their decline in popularity leaves a good amount of cheap used options that are out there. There are old field grade Ithacas, SKBs, LC Smiths, AH Fox, Parker Bros, Stevens 311s, AYAs, etc out there that can be found in decent working condition in this range. Of course there are higher grade examples that will go for more than this, but if you want just a working gun to take in the field these are good options. But google around how to inspect an old break action double barrel before you make a purchase of a 100 year old gun. As far as new production SxS go, there are cheap Turkish imports under CZ, Yildiz, etc. They aren't going to be top quality but there isn't much else new in this price range and generally you don't have to worry about longevity if you are only taking it hunting a few times a year. Plus, companies like CZ should take care of you if it fails under warranty.
2.) $1000+. Well here we get into fancy grades and great condition guns of makers already mentioned, more prestigious makers, etc. You can find things like used $1000 Browning BSS guns all the way to $200,000 Purdey and Holland & Holland guns. I'd expect a shotgunner with your budget and taste to look further into this in-depth realm as well.
SINGLE SHOT: A typically break action single barrel design that is pretty much the cheapest way to get into shotguns. While not something ideal for the clay ground or shooting tons of birds, they offer a utilitarian entry into the hobby whether it's chasing squirrels with a 410 or hunting turkey with a 10ga.
Recommendations 1.) $99-300. I personally suggest the H&R single shots. They are great and out there for cheap and are everywhere. Unfortunately they stopped being made a few years ago though, so you can't buy new. If you want new, there are various cheap single shots out there that will work fine for casual use. If it breaks, just go back to Walmart and buy another $99 single shot.
2.) $300+. If you want to be fancy and get something "high end" in this category there are the collectable Winchester 37s. Past that there are dedicated single shot trap guns and more that can go for hundreds or even thousands more.
EVERYTHING ELSE: Okay I know there are bolt action shotguns, lever action shotguns, triple barrel shotguns, etc. Those are mainly just novelties for a collector or outside the box hunter at this point. If you want one, look into them yourselves as this post is long enough already.
Well that's it. I hope it helped somewhat. Feel free to ask questions in this thread. Here are some other links that may be useful to you:
Guide to chokes: https://www.letsgoshooting.org/resources/articles/shotgun/understanding-shotgun-chokes/ You can shoot lead slugs through any choke safely, although a more open choke like improved cylinder is best. Also some modern full chokes are rated for steel. Older guns may not be.
Shot guide: https://www.wideners.com/blog/shotgun-load-types/
Guide to avoiding cheap tacticool shotguns mass imported from Turkey: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n4zbt9/turkish_notsodelight_why_you_should_generally/
Guide to why pistol grip only shotguns are impractical: https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/saharz/missed_shots_a_broken_nose_and_a_sore_wrist_a/
r/Shotguns • u/ENclip • May 06 '21
Turkish Not-So-Delight. Why you should generally avoid buying those random "totally cool looking" cheap tactical shotguns made in Turkey. (Crosspost as this is relevant here too and for those not on r/guns)
r/Shotguns • u/Top_Jump7881 • 43m ago
Out here enjoying this rainy night with my ol trusty 870P
Goodnight 💤
r/Shotguns • u/NTN2IT • 13h ago
J. LAST 20 BORE
I recently picked up this J. LAST of Southall, England (West London) 20 bore and refinished the woodwork on it. It has 28" barrels, is choked IC/Mod, and has 3" chambers in it's original barrels. Built in 1923, proofed for nitro powder and 1-1/8oz charges. Someone had cut it down in the past, so a 1-1/2" pad was needed to get the LOP to 14-5/8". With a little bit of weight under the pad, it balances 1/8" forward of the hinge with a pair of 2-3/4" 7/8oz shells in the chambers, and still weighs in at 6#-4oz. Shoots like a dream, and carries nicely in the grouse woods.
r/Shotguns • u/Feelsoguud • 14h ago
New Mossberg shockwave
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I’ve always wanted the Mossberg shockwave but was always hesitant given its design and hearing mixed reactions on it and people saying it’s uncomfortable to shoot but ended up pulling the trigger on the purchase I was initially scared to shoot it but ended up FALLING IN LOVEEE this dream shotgun shoots like a dream.
r/Shotguns • u/Vast_Information_995 • 1h ago
Mossberg 500/ new haven 600at question
So I bought this weird new haven 600AT off GunBroker for 130$ I can't for the life of me find another model with the 28 inch barrel with the CLET choke along with the long tube? Has anyone else seen one similar or is this bubba joes creation
r/Shotguns • u/Feelsoguud • 14h ago
Bolt action 12 gauge
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Old bolt action shotgun my uncle gifted me never seen a bolt action shotgun before so thought I’d share my shots.
r/Shotguns • u/ak_tyler • 8h ago
SBS
I’m wanting some recommendations for a SBS. I’m really looking at semi auto 12g and thinking about a remington model 11. I’ve seen others post similar set ups but would that make a good, fun, reliable range toy that i can find replacement parts for?
I think the model 11 looks amazing cut down so it’s my first choice but I’d there a better option? I wouldn’t chip anything with historical significance. I found one at a pawn shop that’s spray painted and needs new wood
r/Shotguns • u/Jolly-Bodybuilder-67 • 1d ago
First SBS
Just got my first sbs! Remington Tac-14 w/ Hogue youth stock (12” LOP) How did I do? Any suggestions on customization/attatchments/upgrades?
r/Shotguns • u/oliverjamesyo • 15h ago
Stevens Model 311A
When someone from work says they have an old shotgun from their dad/grand father that they just don’t want…. Yeah, I’ll have a peak. Hard to beat an almost 70yr old side by side.
r/Shotguns • u/HuntersCrackPipe123 • 12h ago
Barrel length for all around bird gun? Looking at Beretta A400 Extreme Plus in 12 Ga 26, 28 or 30 inch
r/Shotguns • u/Motor-End6934 • 8h ago
Beretta 686 Care Questions
Just got a Berertta 686 this morning. Taking it out in the field this weekend. It came with gun oil. Is this oil for lubricating the contact points or for all of the metal on the gun? What other maintenance/cleaning should I do before firing it?
r/Shotguns • u/Top_War7546 • 1d ago
I really love vintage semi autos
From left to right: 3 Winchester model 59’s, 4 barrels. Two modified, one full, and one versa-lite with interchangeable chokes. Winchester model 50, with a polychoke barrel and a full barrel. Remington Model 11. Savage 755A. I should specify I’m obsessed with Winchester model 59’s and their older brother the Model 50. Its short recoil action is simply perfect. The Browning long recoil action also holds a special place for me. I stay away from gas and inertia guns.
r/Shotguns • u/bluehalo5 • 15h ago
Should I trade in my Mossberg Gold Reserve after getting it back from the manufacturer?
I bought a brand new Mossberg Gold Reserve in May of this year, used it four times for sporting clays and on the four time it had hang fire and break open issues. I took it back to where I bought it from and they said there were mechanical issues with it so they sent it back to Mossberg. Today it came back from Mossberg and honestly I want nothing to do with it.
Do I trade it in for something else like an A300 or Orion Sporting, or do I give it another try?
r/Shotguns • u/Smart_Advance_2845 • 23h ago
First SBS build. Am I doing this right?
When you’ve got a home invader at 12 but a 3-Gun match at 3.
r/Shotguns • u/iampiolt • 11h ago
Inherited 1940’s Remington Sportsman 20-gauge. Best ammo for defense?
Wasn’t sure if anything is recommended or avoided due to the age of this shotgun. It’s semi-auto and I figured my wife could keep it on her side of the bed.
r/Shotguns • u/Ghost_Locker • 15h ago
Best items to shoot at with an m4?
Want to do clays but it's not clay season for some reason at my range yet
What are you guys shooting at that is actually fun and not boring and well doesn't get destroyed beyond belief?
Also what are you guys using to shoot on like seahorses or something?
They have wooden targets at my range with paper targets that are included but the lead range officer "talked to me" for destroying their targets and said don't shoot shotguns at them 😂😂😂
r/Shotguns • u/midnightrider2235 • 1d ago
I liked this guy's video I hope you guys can appreciate this.
r/Shotguns • u/Mymolly6 • 19h ago
Forearm cap
I’m trying to find a forearm cap with swivel for my Browning B80.
r/Shotguns • u/Confident-Squash-136 • 1d ago
Carry all the shells
Inspired buy the guy I saw at the range doing this. You may say it’s retarded but this is what peak retardation looks like.
r/Shotguns • u/kreature19xx • 21h ago
Questions about a 1928 Remington model 10.
Inherited it from my ol lady’s grandpa when he passed. I looked it up and it says it could be a 4 or 5 shell tube. But I can only fit 3 in? Why is that? Also anything I should know about shooting it before I did? I’ve never owned a gun this old. As far as I’ve been told it still shoots. I put a piece of tape on the back of a snap cap and it struck so that’s good lol. Is there any certain shell I should use?
r/Shotguns • u/anonimoosebison • 1d ago
My First Winchester
1941 Model 40.
Hey guys, how did I do? This is my first 12ga and first Winchester. Never been much of a shotgun guy but I couldn’t pass up such a rare gun! Traded an old, unwanted deep freezer for this bad boy!