r/ShenComix • u/YoungShitheel • 8d ago

To those Transvestigating Shen

https://youtube.com/shorts/ob1ZwUI-Zqk?si=PzgUkN9tOB8AGDJn

This has probably been done to death, but I feel like this video has a pretty good message in relation to what I've been seeing in some of this sub.

That being;

I don't think it's our place to care about whether or not Shen is cis, a repressing trans person, or some secret third option.

I'm sure those telling him to stop "repping" aren't doing it out of genuine malice. They probably just don't want someone to go through what they must have on their way to finding their true selves.

Yet my point still stands.

Whatever he is, it's HIS BUSINESS. Leave mothafuckas alone.

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u/thevvitchhazel 8d ago

If someone is in "gender therapy" and posting content which has a lot of red flags for repression then I do think it's fair of trans people to encourage that person to accept themselves.

The world is absolutely full of shit telling people not to transition. Don't act like a handful of trans people on the internet trying to encourage people to resist that negative programming is the issue.

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u/Aethelrede 7d ago

You're assuming that becoming trans gender is the only possible outcome for gender therapy.  He may decide he's a GNC male.  He may be nonbinary.

What you are trying to do is force him to conform to your expectations, which is exactly what transphobes are doing.

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u/thevvitchhazel 7d ago

Any therapy that encourages people not to transition is abuse

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u/Aethelrede 7d ago

"Any therapy that encourages people to transition is abuse" -- literally a TERF argument.

Insisting on a gender binary makes no goddamn sense, for trans women OR feminists.  The logical end of your argument is that trans women shouldn't exist.

In the case of TERFs, their hatred of trans women blinds them to the way their actions add their oppressors.  I have no goddamn idea why trans women would turn on GNC men and enbies. 

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u/pinksoul_32345 7d ago

"Any therapy that encourages people to transition is abuse" -- literally a TERF argument. 

yes, changing the words in the sentence often changes the meaning of the sentence

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u/utsu31 6d ago

Where did they insist on a gender binary? Or do you think non binary people don't transition or something?

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u/Aethelrede 6d ago

They aren't referring to NBs.  This is an ongoing conversation across Reddit, there is a group that is actively trying to disparage GNC men (and by extension NBs).  I've been told that the very existence of GNC men is a deliberate insult to trans women.

Most of them aren't quite that blunt, they use various circumlocutions to hide what they really mean. T his person was using the same rhetoric as that group, I doubt that was a coincidence. 

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u/YoungShitheel 7d ago

???

One can discover they're non-binary or something other than trans via gender therapy

What the fuck kind of a take is this?

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u/Bragunetzki 7d ago

Non-binary people are trans

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u/YoungShitheel 7d ago

I should've been more specific then. I meant binary trans people. Ftm and mtf

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u/thevvitchhazel 7d ago

Someone who survived conversion therapy and active repping.

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u/Aethelrede 7d ago

People tried to force you to conform to the gender binary, so now you're trying to do the same to others?

Insisting the Shen can't be GNC male is exactly the same as insisting that men can't be women.

You do give me an inkling of why a (small) group of trans women hates GNC men so much. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

Now, of course, you will accuse me of being transphobic because I oppose forcing people to choose a specific gender.  Despite the overwhelming irony.

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u/utsu31 6d ago

Where are they insisting on a gender binary? Like repping isn't exclusive to binary trans people...

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u/YoungShitheel 7d ago

I feel like there's a pretty sizable difference between therapy for gender dysphoria and CONVERSION THERAPY

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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 7d ago

In oractice there isn't, vast majority of "gender therapy" is just mild form of conversion therapy in disguise

Like 60% of the west actively does not believe in trans people, how common do you think therapists who help you explore your gender identity in good faith without prejudice are??

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u/RainingBats 7d ago

Genuine gender therapists do exist. I went to one, was given a safe space to fully think about how I felt about myself for the first time and then she helped me start medically transitioning when I decided I was ready 

I understand a lot of people have had bad experiences but do consider for a moment that you might be projecting your negative experiences onto this total stranger. We do not know what Shen's experience was 

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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 5d ago

I never said otherwise, i explicitly said its just most of them

For practice that doesnt matter, you don't recommend someone to play russian roulette just because most of the chambers are empty

With actual doctors its a risk you take because its the only way to formally transition, there's absolutely zero reason to do that with practitioners you go to for solely your peace of mind. Any queer space is better for that than them, and I'm saying that as someone generally done with the bs and drama of babyqueer groups

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u/YoungShitheel 7d ago

West where? I don't live in the usa

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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 7d ago

....The Geopolitical West as a whole

This isnt me assuming you're familiar with the cultural subdivisions of the US, this is me using an extremely prevalent (and as far as I know global) term from sociology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

I'm not american either, i used the term specifically to emphasize that its not just a US thing

EDIT : changed the wiki link, didnt realise they had one for it directly

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u/risisas 3d ago

I've done gender exploration to great extents and i am still convinced i am cis... not everyone is trans just for questioning

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u/YoungShitheel 7d ago

I'm sure those telling him to stop "repping" aren't doing it out of genuine malice.

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u/Aethelrede 7d ago

I disagree, some of it is genuine malice.  The hatred I've seen aimed at GNC men by certain elements of the trans woman community is shocking.  They are particularly annoyed because he's writing a comic about a GNC cis male, which they believe should be a trans woman.

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u/YoungShitheel 7d ago

Makes sense