How did you feel when Lucas said i “do” to Lindsey at the alter? To me i felt so bad for Peyton and Lindsey cause he was practically betraying them both

I watched the show a lot for the basketball aspect. It really irked me that lucas’ number was not retired. He was the second leading scorer on the team before his condition, then was a closer level sixth man. He was the MVP of the state championship game, kept tree hill in all game then hit the winning shot while being implied hes one of the best defenders on the team. For a school that never won one championship in their history they should have retired lucas scotts jersey too

I’ll say Peyton and Haley is one,kinda into Jake and Lucas and Nathan and Chris💀and Brooke and Peyton were lovers in another life fs

why people are saying that they werent close or they werent friends? It was sooo freaking obvious they were, they just had little fall apart in s3, but besides that it was clear they were pretty close.

Guys, I started One Tree Hill, a week ago, as a major fan of the "coming of age" genre (and pretty much being close to the age of the main characters, makes me watch them). My previous experience was Gossip Girl, which I watched all. Anyway, I started the show, and I’ve got to admit the first episodes were fire, right? But then, it all seemed real fast. Like, Nathan got along with Haley, Dan’s getting a divorce with Deb, Lucas who was my favorite character until now, screws Brooke in order to be with the love of his life who actually screwed him when he confessed his emotions abt her. Is it me, or it’s getting rapid fire? I mean, 3 seasons of another show happened in 16 episodes. And the whole basketball idea went wasted because nobody cares abt the game which was the actual point from the beginning. Don’t get me wrong guys, but I need your help on that one. I don’t watch series regularly but when I do, I wanna watch sth good. And it seemed that way, ngl. But does it make sense to watch it till the end or it gets completely ridiculous and nonsense? I know they are plenty of platforms like IMDb and stuff out there to get opinions but I think here I can find the OGs of the show, since the sub is still alive. I love pop culture and 00’s in general, so I would really like to hear your thoughts without spoilers.

PS. Sorry for the long text

Yes, it was in character for both of them to sleep around, party, get drunk and hook up with random people.

I know that Nathan was a raging asshole and I can totally see him hooking up with Brooke.

Brooke doing this makes no sense. She was promiscuous but I don’t for a second believe she would hook up with Nathan and NEVER tell Peyton about it. I know they use the excuse that she was drunk but I don’t buy it. She didn’t look that drunk and she even tells Nathan she was a willing participant.

I think she kept using the drunk excuse as a way to avoid accountability for her actions,

It would have come up and I actually think Peyton would have been understanding about it if Brooke had told her back then since Nathan cheated all the time and hooked up with the entire cheerleading squad.
It’s the fact that Brooke never ever ever tells her that’s the problem. There is no tension between Nathan/Brooke either. If Brooke actually did this she would have felt guilty about it and acted differently around him. They act like normal friends.

This was a forced plot line that was never planned because it just doesn’t make sense with the characters earlier interactions. Nathan was embarrassed when he had a dream about seeing Brooke naked in s2. This doesn’t make sense with knowing what’s to come where he made a sex tape with her.

The fact that this NEVER comes up is what bothers me. Brooke becomes really good friends with Hayley and still doesn’t tell her about it.

There is an entire plot point in season 2 where Nathan realizes he hooked up with Hayley’s sister. This was a major development and was made out to be a huge deal yet he fails to mention him hooking up with Brooke.

This plotline was written to put Brooke and Peyton on even ground and that’s it. I wouldn’t have minded Nathan/Brooke hookup plotline if it was written properly and not just something they shoehorned in for the sake of Leyton vs Brucas ship wars.

Just because it’s in character for both of them to do this doesn’t mean it’s a good storyline or makes sense at all.

A: "All That You Can't Leave Behind" Season 1 Episode 5

B: "Bridge Over Troubled Water" Season 6 Episode 4,

C: “Can't Stop This Thing We've Started" Season 4 Ep 4

D: "Danny Boy" Season 9 Ep 11

E: "Everyday is a Sunday Evening" Season 3 Ep 20

F: "Forever and Almost Always" Season 6 Ep 23

G: "Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly." Season 6 Ep 3 

H: “How a Resurrection Really Feels” Season 3 Ep 9

I: "I Shall Believe" Season 1 Ep 14 or "I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here" Season 8 Ep 16

J: "Just Watch the Fireworks" Season 3 Ep 15 (Only 1 episode starts with this letter.)

K: "Know This, We've Noticed" Season 9 Ep 1 (Only 1 episode starts with this letter.)

L: "Learning to Fall" Season 7 Ep 20.

M: "Messin' with the Kid" Season 6 Ep 7

N: "Near Wild Heaven" Season 2 Ep 3

O: "One Tree Hill" Season 9 Ep 13 

P: "Pictures of You" Season 4 Ep 13

Q: "Quiet Little Voices" Season 8 Ep 18 (Only 1 episode starts with this letter.)

R: "Resolve" Season 4 Ep 12

S: "Spirit in the Night Season" 1 Ep 17

T: "The Show Must Go On" Season 3 Ep 22

U: "Unopened Letter to the World" Season 2 Ep 15 (Only 1 episode starts with this letter.)

V: "Valentine's Day Is Over" Season 8 Ep 15 (Only 1 episode starts with this letter.)

W: "When It Isn’t Like It Should Be" Season 3 Ep 18

X: No Episode

Y: "You Gotta Go There to Come Back" Season 1 Ep 10

Z: No Episode

Numbers: "4:30 AM (Apparently They Were Travelling Abroad)" Season 7 Ep 1

This was such a fun storyline, especially the auditions. Would have been great to see the movie being made and being received well.

So this YouTuber made a video of The WORST TV Show Fall Offs Ever and he mentioned One Tree Hill I want you guys to watch it to see if you guys agree with his take on One Tree Hill.

his segment on One Tree Hill is on 26:30

You’re telling me Lindsey read, edited, and helped publish an ENTIRE book about Lucas being in love with Peyton, and somehow it took her until she was standing at the altar to connect the dots???

Girl, wasn’t understanding the symbolism literally your job??? What did you think the book was about this whole time??? Astronomy??? Lol

***probably some spoilers here ….
I am a first time watcher and currently in the middle of season 8. dan scott was just introduced and it literally makes no sense! quinn goes to see him for advice on how to murder katie and he says he’s not a hit man but he’s literally acting like one!! he’s telling her what to do with the body and everything. i’m confused. the man killed one guy and didn’t even have to cover it up! it was easy for him to blame it on the kid with the gun since no one else saw it …“supposedly”. how would he even know how to cover it up and get rid of the body anyway?

there are other story lines with season 8 that just feel so off and really make no sense to me. not sure if it’s worth finishing 😭

You know, as much as I understand the hate they get, I honestly think people go way too far when it comes to Season 1. I genuinely believe everyone was in the wrong. Brooke knew they had feelings for each other and was actively trying to sabotage Leyton before she and Lucas even got together. That doesn't justify their cheating, but she's not the innocent saint so many people make her out to be.

Season 3 is more complicated, but I don't think Lucas cheated on Brooke. Peyton kissed him because she thought she was going to die, and he didn't even kiss her back. As for why he didn't pull away or tell Brooke, Peyton had just lost a mother for the second time, and he didn't want to risk making her lose the only support system she had left. Besides, Lucas has always been there for everyone else without letting anyone be there for him. Brooke even admits they broke up because he didn't need her the way she needed him. And honestly, throwing a party at the place where his uncle died? Brooke wasn't exactly great at supporting him either.

As for Season 5, I have no defense for them. They were awful, but I still don't think they deserve all the hate they get.

I’ve been searching forever trying to find a one tree hill boxed version of season 7.
Trying to get it as a collectible.
Does anyone know where I can find it it doesn’t have to be brand new

So this is a game where we go alphabetically and choose our favourite episode that starts with that letter (not my idea someone mentioned doing this in a different sub some time ago and I thought why not start this game when OTH started.)

Now this sub can be divided in a lot of things but we can all agree we love this show. So let's celebrate that.

I have made an google sheet with all the episodes. If you have suggestion on how to improve it do tell me. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lP_T7Y8EU94zc_Z_L4MhI2F-wT3KhhF9KE5qLzTCzl8/edit?usp=sharing

So I have made pages for each letter so it is easier to choose.

Hope this is a fun idea and we can all enjoy it.

Old Ones:

A: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/EhFfVMebNF

B: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/0EbgdswxtP

C: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/vAcs8sRi9C

D: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/OwXNToBR2g

E: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/9fGohqxsVh

F: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/mwsYBRBWkt

G: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/o0WWodZ5ZH

H: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/5cnZcuNuUG

I: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/yoa3ogwyiP

J: Only 1 episode starts with this letter.

K: Only 1 episode starts with this letter.

L: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/uEjRRY76o4

M: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/3Dwyu1FwFu

N: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/JqByh9t8ob

O: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/zZGq5gTArV

P: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/tJtCGq7Sqo

Q: Only 1 episode starts with this letter.

R: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/Br0yunI8vv

S: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/V2yvv7EGJr

T: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/2pRRfPqt9o

U: Only 1 episode starts with this letter.

V: Only 1 episode starts with this letter.

W: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/Dau0Kmebda

X: No episode

Y: https://www.reddit.com/r/ONETREEHILL/s/2U8R2eVqFi

Who does everyone think is the best actor on the show? Strictly talking about performance, without bias for favorite characters or story lines. Give examples!

I personally think a clear front runner is Paul Johansson. The way he makes you hate Dan, and yet feel bad for him at the same time. His performance with Whitey in the Cabin in season 7 stands out to me, but there are so many subtle moments that I think are so well performed that you miss them because they feel real and grounded.

Runner up is probably Sophia Bush. She’s able to show the most range IMO from sexy to silly or kind to mean, etc. Her performance in the season 3 finale in Peyton’s room and then with Lucas before their speeches gives me chills. Again, I think I forget she’s acting sometimes and that she is Brooke IRL.

I’m a Leyton fan in terms of storyline but I do think CMM and Hilarie are the weaker actors in the main cast, specifically. I can feel them acting a lot. Some examples are when he tells his mom Brooke might be pregnant, his puppy dog face and body language just felt overdone and it always takes me out of the moment. Or Hilarie during the psycho Derek attack. Her facial expressions and screams, etc. take me out of the story and remind me she’s acting.

What’s everyone else’s opinions though?

The heart of the series was the Scott Brothers and their dynamic.

Peyton and Brooke were my favorite characters but I’m not going to sit here and deny that the actual heart of the series was the relationship between Nathan and Lucas. The show opened with them and their two different worlds.

Seeing their bond and development was the best part of the show. It’s why s7-9 aren’t as good. It’s missing their brotherly bond and the basketball aspect of the show.

I liked the trajectory of their relationship and how realistic it was as well. They didn’t automatically become close and bffs. They didn’t grow up together so they didn’t have an an automatic close bond but it was more subtle. You could tell by the end that they loved each other.

I mourn the Scott brother bond more than any other relationship on the show. S7-9 would haven been 100 times better if we saw them together.

I have noticed watching the show a second time with some friends and reading youtube comments that a lot of people are SUPER harsh on Lucas when Hayley judges Lucas for dating Brooke but secretly being in love with Peyton. Some fans get mad that Lucas threw the fact that Haley decided to tutor and go out with his mortal enemy in the argument right back at her. This was the scene before Lucas and Keith crash. It should have been obvious to her that anyways from the start Nathan didn’t have good intentions coming to her for tutoring. We as the audience know Lucas is right. And Lucas had already accepted and been pretty quiet about his disapproval of Haley’s new BF for like eight episodes. He never crashed out on her. He told her how he felt about Nathan when she started dating him, but let it go because he could see how happy Nate makes her.

Yet some folks reaction to that scene is ‘no Haley’s right. Nathan is a good guy. Lucas is the bad guy because he likes Peyton even though he’s dating Brooke.’ Two girls Haley only just became friends with. She use to judge Brooke and Peyton simply for being cheerleaders. And then when Hayley is complaining to Nathan later that night about what a dick Lucas is becoming, Nathan laughed “how ironic.” Then Nathan let it slip that he did go after her originally to make Lucas mad. Even after that revelation the Lucas haters are like, ‘no Hayley stand your ground! You’re right! Lucas is scum for leading Brooke on. You and Nathan did nothing wrong!’

How does Reddit feel about the Hayley/Lucas/Nathan situation in the first half of S1? Did she have the right to call Lucas out for playing with Brooke and Peytons heart when she knew how awful Nathan and Dan were to Lucas yet she still tutored Nathan promising it was to protect Lucas. Then she dated him?

Omfg I know the show runners of teen dramas during that time were stealing ideas from each other left and right but it’s so clear after watching Everwood for the first time that Voldemort would just copy what he saw on Everwood for a future OTH season storyline. He even wanted there to be an old man narrator for OTH just like there was for Everwood when he pitched the show. I think he had a better team , actors/actresses and budget which made it a way better hit but Voldemort really is just a plagiarizer and all the beauty in the show came from other people.

I was watching pixels again and I realised before the aliens message that Josh gadds character was watching one tree hill. Idk what episode but it looked to be a car wash or something and Rachel was calling Brooke fat or something lol.

So while season seven and eight suck season nine is worth it and I never thought I’d say this but I honestly love Dan right now. And OMG the scene where Lucas picks up Jamie from the airport right after Jamie tells his mom it’s gonna be OK and Nathan‘s gonna come home and then he like collapses and hugs Lucas as soon as his mom is out of sight 💜😭it’s like he was holding it in for so long trying to be strong for his mom but deep down he was still just a scared kid who missed his dad 😭

I've been trying my best to keep watching, but I'm on season 6 now and honestly, I'm not enjoying it that much anymore. I just watched the episode where Quentin dies, which was really emotional, but aside from that, I'm finding it hard to stay invested in the show.

At this point, I feel like I'm mostly watching for Brooke because she's the character I'm most interested in. I'm not particularly invested in the other storylines anymore, and I'm wondering if it's worth pushing through.

Does the show get better? Is it worth continuing, or should I just stop here?

People are fighting over who was the worst but it was actually the adults

I think it’s normal to have opinions on everyone’s individual behavior there are characters I dislike, others I like, but really most of them were messed up kids due to their parents being terrible.

For instance take Peyton. I do have to admit I don’t like her character and I have an issue with her behavior from when they were kids to the later seasons, I think even as an adult she wasn’t too great.

However, her mothers aside … they didn’t chose to die, she had terrible parenting. Her father was terrible, like granted he was busy making money but couldn’t he have found employment nearby ? Ok, let’s say no jobs were available ever around Tree Hill, no responsible adult to care for her ? Then letting her film herself on that damn cam ! There is a scene that surprised me where she undressed and forgot the cam was on, the dad comes in a is like « yeah you have them a show » jokingly, like what ? Also leaving her alone to deal with Ellie ? He was there 20 minutes and left. And then after the crazy Derek episode he wasn’t even there. The brother she never knew existed did more than her damn father. He didn’t even put her in therapy after neither one of the traumatic events she went through, her mom’s death, Ellie’s death, Fake Derek’s assaulting her…

Do I need to write a lot about Brooke’s parents ? Her mom especially ?
At least unlike Peyton’s dad at first they acted like they cared and wanted her where there was an adult to supervise but otherwise terrible !!! And her mother was the worst I believe after Dan.

Haley’s parents didn’t care about her much when they were there, supported her to marry as a teen (not necessarily bad but it didn’t feel like they were of great advice and care and they weren’t even a bit worried) and then the moment she was married they up and left and even through that terrible accident and her pregnancy they don’t show up. It’s ridiculous.

Nathan had Deb, granted 17 years with Dan can mess you up pretty bad but still … that woman ?!

Karen despite that the show tried to make her look like a great mom, she wasn’t that great. Granted she was a teen mom trying her best but refusing Dan’s help ? Even though he was terrible, Lucas’ crash out when he found out was justified. She stayed living in the town where her kid had to daily face her deadbeat dad and his whole family, she was selfish in many ways.

Rachel also didn’t have parents around.

Maybe it’s common in the US ? I am from France I didn’t know of that much people living alone like that back in HS.

In the end they are almost going to make me défend Dan, like he was a terrible person. But he was the only parent that was on top of his child’s education - granted one out of two sons and in the worst way possible but still he cared enough not to abandon his kid.

Loved Brooke and Julian together, also really enjoyed their chemistry but did anyone else find it a little weird how Julian kept asking actresses to dress sexier? Like the whole “can she wear something sexier?” thing just gave me slightly creepy director vibes lol. It also happened like 3-4 times and I was like??
Maybe I’m overthinking it or maybe it was Schwahn projecting but it genuinely made me feel a little weird about him. I haven’t seen anyone bring this up so I’m curious if anyone else noticed it?

I’m watching OTH right now (still pretty early into season 1) but I’m so confused about the timeline. And maybe I’m questioning it too early? Maybe I’ll get answers as I continue to watch? But it is really bugging me. Karen got pregnant with Lucas at an early age and Dan decided to dump her so he could chase his dreams of being a basketball star. Then we find out supposedly he changed his mind and was going to be there so she gave Lucas his last name but alas, he didn’t show up. Was it because he was off getting Deb pregnant? And then he decided his life with Deb WAS worth leaving his basketball career behind? Because how the hell are Nathan and Lucas the same age??