r/Nordiccountries • u/glurb_ • 21h ago
The "Viking Alliance"
Interview w/Pål Steigan where he claims that support to Ukraine is most popular in the Nordics and the Baltics, whereas ie the biggest German and French opposition parties want to normalize relations with Russia. If and when others stop the support, some Nordic and Baltic countries might remain, the "Viking Alliance" that gives more than 2% of our GDP.
PS: "Norway is making a run here together with the Baltics, Sweden, Denmark and Finland. And I think that is worrisome, because these are almost the same countries as supported Operation Barbarossa. That is, Nazi Norway participated in Operation Barbarossa. So too were the Finns and the Baltics. In Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, they have revered Nazi veterans the whole time after the so-called independence from the Soviet Union. There are flower ceremonies for SS officers and such every year.
So it is very special cirquits we are allying ourselves with. And today, we published an article by a Serbian intellectual who points out that small countries sometimes have a tendency to function like ignitors of conflagration. They assume the great powers will come along and help them. So therefore they run around in the gunpowder depot with lighted torches. And that is a very perilous role.
Here we can mention for example the role of Serbia to ignite the 1st World War. There was a militant group called the Black Hand which ignited it, while the government didn't really want it. One thing took the other, and suddenly we had a war between great powers. And in a way, Polen and Austria functioned in this way with South Slovakia before the 2nd WW.
And you know Norway is talking about war with Russia. Norway is going to produce long ranged weapons that are supposed to reach Moscow or further. Ok. At some point perhaps the Russians are going to say, like Putin said at the meeting in New Dehli here the other day, sure, if you want war with Russia you can have it. And that will be a short war. And I think he is right about that. And then these Nordic leaders, or what one is supposed to call them, they believe that Uncle Sam is going to come to their rescue. There is no chance that the Americans are going to sacrifice a single soldier to defend crazies in the Nordics. There is no chance."
TA: "No, this is pretty interesting, because in reality this is a war that to a large degree is provoked through many many years by USA. But now USA in a way has managed to let the Europeans take over the management of this war. And earlier this week, 8th sep, the General Secretary of Nato, Mark Rutte, drummed together some people who constitute a sort of donor countries group, in order to continue to support Ukraine with money and weapons. And he says we have no choice. We just have to continue supporting Ukraine. We have no choice. And yesterday i listened to Helgemorgen on P2, NRK, where [foreign minister] Espen Barth Eide, manages to come back to the same. We have no choice. We just have to support Ukraine. That is the scenario here that our media has pushed since the war started. Ukraine's war is our war. And Norway's front line now goes in East Ukraine."
PS: "And so how many soldiers have Norway sent to Ukraine? They are presupposing that it is the Ukrainians who are going to continue to die."
TA: "Yes."
PS: "And now European countries are abolishing the protection of the asylum seekers, to chase not just men, but also women, back to Ukraine, into the front, to suffer a quick death to advancing Russian forces. So it is an unbelievably cynical game. And I don't think EBE and Støre necesarily understand this. Their strategic thinking ability I don't put very high. But there has to be one or two professional military strategic thinkers in Europe who understand what this is about.
In USA at any rate there are lots of them. The American think tanks have been researching this for a long time, New York Times wrote two and a half years ago that Ukraine is going to lose. Spectator wrote it a couple weeks back. "Ukraine is losing the war". We know this. And then they say they are to continue.
With what? So far the Russians have not used the heaviest conventional weapons they have, only as an exception have they tried some of them, but they have studied meticulously Iran's experiences, there is now a de facto alliance between Moscow and Tehran, Moscow has supplied Iran with many important things, radar systems and surveillance systems that have been important in the war. And Moscow sees that if Iran hits American bases, the Americans aren't going in with full force and try to defend it. They don't have the ability to. They are using so many Patriot interceptors just against a few Iranian drones or missiles. And the Russians know this very well. They know there are no Patriot missiles in Europe to protect the bases. I don't think Putin wants war with Europe. Why would he? On the other hand, it is fully possible for the Europeans to make a provocation that the Russians have to react to. And that will be scary for Europe, and the Americans are not coming to the rescue. That is not going to happen, and then we are standing there.
And there is something strange with that Nordic war activism. To me it seems a little like Bjørnsson's glorification of the Scandinavianism. And egged the Danes to war with Prussia, no? And it ended with the catastrophy on Dybel Skanse which incurred a terrible defeat upon Denmark. And why go on in that way?
Small countries need to realize that it is the great powers who own the game. Norway should realize it, because Norway has three times become more or less free because of the great power game. After the Kiel Peace 1813 it became possible to gather the Storting and vedta the constitution in 1814. That was to be fair short lasting, and the war against Sweden lasted very short, but that was the great power game at that time. And in 1905 it was the great powers again, among others Russia, who made it possible to establish a Norway independent of Sweden. It didn't come to war between Norway and Sweden because the great powers didn't want it. And again, it was the Soviet Union first and foremost, who made Norway free in '45, fundamentally.
TA: "We must not talk so loudly about that. I suppose our viewers should see a Gallup poll, how is the feeling among Ukrainians in Ukraine? .. And here we see a clear tendency. At the war outbreak there was over 70% of Ukrainians who wanted to fight against the invasion militarily. This support for the war in Ukraine, among Ukrainians it has fallen quite drastically. And in both 2025 and 2026 it was measured to just 24% of the Ukrainians wanted to fight militarily in this war. 66% want now want a negotiated solution as soon as possible. And this is a Gallup made by the American Gallup institute. Very credible. Nobody has cast doubt upon the correctness of this study. So the feeling in Ukraine among Ukrainians is very clear. They want a negotiated peace solution. So why in all the days should Norwegian politicians overrun the Ukrainians' own wish?"
PS: "That has to be because there are other interests behind. One can evaluate what that is, but as it happens, this this war is first and foremost a financial operation.
The war is an enormous support to the weapons industry, and thereby to the finance capital who owns the weapons industry. And as a whole, what we have seen in the recent years, lockdown with the Corona fckery and so on, was also a financial war, Ukraine is a financial war, most of these billions go to American weapons industry. American weapons industry is owned by Blackrock and these companies, BlackRock is inside Ukraine with large assets there. So in the last instance this is finance. And Norway is actually a significant finance imperialist. The oil fund owns 1.5% of the world's stocks and is deeply integrated into Wall Street and the BlackRock, State Street and Vanguard system.
So Norway here operates as an international finance capitalistic warmaker. And these war stocks are enormous. The Kongsberg Group makes huge profits on this. So this is capitalism as of today, it has in reality stopped doing normal capitalist production, but it is all about finance.
In addition comes an important aspect because everybody knows that Ukraine is Europe's most corrupt society. It is said that 15-30% of the money that comes in is simply stolen by the system. Recently the State Attorney had to resign. Why, because the State Attorney's office got enormous profits of a system of call centers that is criminal, and the international police authorities say this bigger internationally than drug trade. So this is gigantic. And once you are inside that system, you are on team with the blackest of the black economy in the world. This is criminal to the core. Those who send these money from Norway, must know they are part of this. It can not have escaped them.
Therefore, they also have personal interest in that this war doesn't end. Because when this war ends, this whole laundry is coming on the table, and the blame for having used, how much, a quarter of a national budget, on swindle and scams, that will be distributed. Clearly the persons, Støre, Stoltenberg and so on, they have personal interests of this not being seen. So they have personal interest in that the war continues."
TA: "The problem here Pål, is that the whole Storting is behind this. There is no opposition on the Storting. So who in all the days are going to put the responsibility to whom?"
They move on to among other things the connections between Norwegians and "the White Fuhrer" in Ukraine, General Biletskyj.
Who keeps track of the money and connections between Nordic politicians and corporations, the Ukrainian corruption and international finance capital?