r/MurderedByWords • • 16h ago

Absolutely murdered, destroyed, annihilated, and dominated.

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u/Budsygus 15h ago

I feel like I'm more hung up on the question of why would a company ever advertise themselves with the words "vibe coded?"

No one is impressed by it and a huge chunk of the population will have a visceral reaction to that phrase.

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u/UltimateToa 14h ago

These businesses still havent caught onto the fact that the average customer doesnt like AI

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u/k_oticd92 11h ago

Not even just that, vibe coding is just letting AI take the wheel. No one's gonna trust that. "Made with the help of AI", or something to that effect, is much better and is generally what devs are doing now anyway

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u/jeweliegb 7h ago

Let's be honest. If it was truly vibe coded from afresh by a decent group of software engineers using modern frontier LLM, it would be far better than what Epic actually make us use.

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u/Budsygus 14h ago

Don't get me wrong, I like AI as much as the next person but I lose a lot of respect for a company with their resources who talk about vibe coding. That means they're not employing coders who would deliver a quality product.

I'm fine with people using AI to make their lives and jobs a little better, but companies bragging about leaning on it (even if they're being facetious here) is super tone deaf and dumb.

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u/pmyourpmsforgod 9h ago

These company don’t give a damn about the outspoken minority that’s here on Reddit. As soon as a game breaks records using it and wins awards gamers will sing its praises and move on to the next. The Reddit memory is like 2 months long

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u/MGSRaiden22 2h ago

If you look at polls and opinions outside of reddit, youll see AI is in the shitter for public opinion. People cant "move on" from datacenters poisoning their resources and air for a shitty LLM and mass surveillance.

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u/Snoo63 2h ago

And being intrinsically linked to systems that enable stalking and kidnapping by actors of the state

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u/Dagordae 13h ago

Especially gamers.

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u/chichibooxd 8h ago

And vibe coding is a step above that. Pretty much them telling everyone that no one checked the code so it's gonna be terrible.

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u/jeweliegb 7h ago

The irony is, it was probably coded by normal software engineers just using a bit of LLM assistance behind the scenes like most do now (with it integrated into so many IDEs) rather than actually being vibe-coded. But that's enough for the marketing dept to make their claim.

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u/Morberis 9h ago

*western consumer

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u/UltimateToa 9h ago

Yeah seems like who this tweet is directed at to me

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u/Morberis 9h ago

Not at all

It is absolutely true that people in many of the Asian countries have a completely different view on AI though.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that people in completely different socio-economic situation and circumstances have a different opinion than you.

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u/UltimateToa 8h ago

Okay? I didn't dispute any of that. English tweet made by the western facing english account on a western platform, must be directed at the asia market /s

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u/Morberis 8h ago

You said average consumer, I went pedantic on you.

Many people seem to think that everyone everywhere hates AI.

You followed up with a typical defensive response. The person adding clarifying information about position x not being universal MUST be on the other side of the issue.

This isn't unique to AI discussions. Too many people confuse not actively supporting a position for taking the opposite position. Like pointing out bad research doesn't make someone an anti-environmentalist.

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u/CrazyElk123 14h ago

The average costumer couldnt care less in this area.

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u/Budsygus 14h ago

The average person might not care, but the average gamer who would be their target audience will have feelings about it.

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u/CrazyElk123 13h ago

Yeah right, im sure all the fortnite kids will be up in arms.

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u/Budsygus 13h ago

Think whatever you want, man.

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u/CrazyElk123 13h ago

Not in the reddit hivemind, clearly not allowed.

Point isnt that most people like AI, im just saying that most are just indifferent/dont care, as long as it doesnt affect them. Vast majority of epic games users wont even see this tweet.

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u/Budsygus 13h ago

We're not talking about the people who won't see the tweet, though. It's implied that we're talking about people who are potential EPIC customers who see the tweet.

Of course people who don't see the tweet won't care. That's a given.

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u/CrazyElk123 13h ago

Yeah, and as i literally said before that, if it doesnt affect them negatively the majority wont care, or at least care enough for it to make any difference in how they consume.

Young people play fortnite, and young people are the ones who use LLMs more for example. Simple as that.

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u/Budsygus 13h ago

You're still not getting it.

It's ok. We can just stop.

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u/UltimateToa 13h ago

If we are talking about game customers that will use EPIC, I dont agree at all

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u/Ionami 11h ago

slaps roof

This baby can hold so much hyperbole

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u/pmyourpmsforgod 9h ago

Yall are so out of touch on here it’s embarrassing. The average, truly average everyday people LOVE ai. Business’s push it. They use it for the most mundane tasks just like using google. Shit even Google pushes their ai for first results from their engine. Everyone here preaches about ai slop when far more people in the real world have absolutely no problem using it and benefiting from it. Yall won’t win this war

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u/UltimateToa 9h ago

Well truly average everyday people are not using the new Epic launcher anyways. Keep slopping it up with your AI man

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u/Notsurehowtoreact 8h ago

Because it's a badge of honor to them. 

The fact that it was "vibe coded" and is faster than Steam (a nonsensical measure for a launcher, unless you're Epic and your previous launcher as an Unreal shitshow) is meant to show how "good" AI is.

Epic is doing a hard push on AI tools in games and software development. They see this as a win.

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u/Picnicpanther 7h ago

This is a dog and pony show for investors.

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u/cerialthriller 7h ago

They couldn’t atleast have mentioned the block chain too?

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u/No-Deal8956 3h ago

As soon as you hear ‘vibe coded’ you know that they haven’t done their jobs properly. You give them your bank details, and you won’t have any money in your account by next week.

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u/GabeNewellExperience 3h ago

wait that part isn't edited??? This is a real tweet???

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u/Valoneria 2h ago

I mean, Tim Sweeney has been known to be out of touch with his users for years, this is hardly surprising coming from Epic

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u/pmyourpmsforgod 9h ago

A huge chunk of the population doesn’t even know what vibe coded is. Or play on steam or epic. A “huge” chunk of the gaming population play on consoles. Reddit is truly a echo chamber for the entitled and upper middle class lmao

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u/jasperjonns 15h ago

Damn you to hell Steam I will never get those 4.53 seconds back.

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u/superdavit 15h ago

Yeah, but hey, you do that 10,000 times and over the course of your life, you're looking to save DOZENS of minutes. You hear me! Dozens!

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u/nhal 12h ago

I mean i know you're joking but if you opened steam 10,000 times (that's, let's say, once a day for 30 years aprox.) you'd spend an additional 31 days and a half waiting for it to open compared to this "New" Epic Launcher.

Not that it matters, I'd rather watch paint dry than open the Epic launcher, but I just found it funny.

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u/kleptorsfw 10h ago

You messed up your math somewhere. 1 million seconds would be 11 and a half days, 46 thousand is much less. Like 12 hours

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u/Clusterpuff 15h ago

This was literally a complaint of users initially. Epic store used to be much worse

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u/levios3114 14h ago

Yeah because it was in combination with way less features now the only thing they have better is a slightly faster start up time

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u/Clusterpuff 14h ago

You're saying now they have less features?

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u/Lord_Oasis 13h ago

The new epic launcher that runs faster doesn’t have social features or account management lmao

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u/S7YX 11h ago

Even the old Epic launcher, which is much slower, doesn't have reviews, forums, mod support, or a way to sort games into groups, just off the top of my head.

The only reason I still use it is to check if the fee games are interesting.

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u/Lord_Oasis 9h ago

Yeah, I was referring to the fact that their new launcher doesn’t even have the very few features that the old one did

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u/Funambulia 15h ago

Wow, 0,36s rather than 0,42. Wonder what I will do with the free time they vibe give me

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u/villainized 15h ago

"than the other guy" and it's the undisputed lead platform for PC games 😭

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u/Dwealdric 14h ago

Also lets flex our AI use to a famously anti AI consumer base!

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u/dave_the_dova 14h ago

They also added this in the comments. Makes it look even worse.

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u/Nobody_ed 13h ago

Bad boy, deets, the cringe is real

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u/nhal 12h ago

How are you doing, fellow kids, enjoying your videogames?

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u/ElectricMotorsAreBad 10h ago

It feels like their social media manager fell into a coma in 2019 and woke up today lol

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u/Bonsai-is-best 5h ago

This was absolutely written by AI, no Socials Manager writes like this.

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u/Greggs-the-bakers 3h ago

I like to think it was Tim Sweeney himself that wrote it

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u/ZarathustraGlobulus 2h ago

That sounds like it was written by the same person working on the White House socials.

This fellow kids trope died the day the WH started using it.

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u/Bigtallanddopey 15h ago

Ah yes, it may be slower, but steam rarely forces you to re-download a whole game every time there’s an update.

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u/FireDefender 13h ago

My steam doesn't even take 10 seconds to start. It takes me 10 seconds to boot up my PC to the login screen. Steam starts in less than 5...

I don't even have enough time to sit down properly before all of it is online lol

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u/Suds08 14h ago

Epic makes you download the entire game again because of an update? That sounds absurd. Why would that even be a thing?

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u/Bigtallanddopey 14h ago

I don’t think it’s every game, but I have had it happen more times than I can remember.

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u/Leprecon 8h ago

Never had that happen personally

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u/ReklisAbandon 12h ago

It does not.

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u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 8h ago

... That's not really true, and that's up to the developer. Eg Crimson Desert and Helldivers on steam had that issue for a while.

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u/tashtactics I can’t spell pineapple 1h ago

keyword: ‘rarely’

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u/ghostface1693 58m ago

You think I'm just gonna sit there and read and understand a comment in its entirety before "well actually"-ing a reply?

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u/Kanox89 14h ago

To be fair, it is faster to load a library of 50 games vs a library of 500+

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u/MightyDeekin 13h ago

Why on God's green earth would a company admit it's Store, you know, the place I use my payment method on*, and I sign into with an account containing a certain amount of PII, has been vibe-coded?

edit: *could potentially use. Cause Sweeney ain't getting my money.

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u/Competitive_Shock783 13h ago

Cool. Now allow me to change where a game is installed.

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u/TheHeroicLionheart 15h ago

All so you can wait 4 minutes for Shaders to Compile

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u/Antique_Door_Knob 13h ago

The difference? I'll always let steam start with my computer. I'll never let epic do the same.

In other words, steam will always take .42 seconds to show up on my computer, and epic will always take 5.47 seconds.

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u/Dummy42 2h ago

It's only 5.47s if you're already logged in, but epic loves to log you out, so for me it's the whole 2fa circus to go play the 2 epic exclusive games I own

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u/Reality_Evans 14h ago

Is there a category of speed running for opening a launcher that I'm not aware of?

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u/syn0079 14h ago

GoG Galaxy staying the hell out of this 😂

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u/Jeremiad-Kain 13h ago

'cuz GoG rules and doesn't need to blackmail people into using it. You don't even need the launcher for their games.

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u/pudgybunnybry 8h ago

And if you do use their launcher,you can import game libraries and launch from there. I much prefer it to the rest for that feature alone, even if it loads slower.

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u/MrMarum 13h ago

When this is the nicest thing they can say about their platform, it shows they don't really have that many good things to say

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u/Hycran 15h ago

Jesus Christ, that comment didnt just murder them, it teleported them to the eldritch shadow realm where their spirit will be haunted and tortured by thousands of malign ghouls in a never ending satanic orgy of pain and suffering.

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u/Riskov88 15h ago

Tbh that's better than they deserve.

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u/Donmiggy143 7h ago

Do people open and close the program alot? It's such a weird selling point to me. Steam is just open. But even if you don't have it open, or you manually open it after startup, it's not a long time? I don't know, Epic blows and basically all I use it for is opening Alan Wake 2. That's only because I have to.

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u/TheDisappointedFrog 5h ago

Challenge: don't fall to obvious ragebait marketing

Difficulty: impossible

You perpetuated the cycle, congrats! I just logged in, and now I have seen this idiocy too. This isn't murder, even, this is just an obvious reaction they were trying to get from you from the start. You're being farmed. Don't feed the trolls.

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u/DrMaxwellEdison 12h ago

Why the fuck would I care how fast the app loads from the system tray?

Does it play a game?

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u/Rushes_End 7h ago

Don’t care. There’s nothing there I wanna play. None of my friends are on epic longer than it is to click the free game. I don’t buy games on epic,
A few times playing the free game on epic and then buying it on Steam so I can play with my friends.

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u/angrytomato98 4h ago

Okay cool, still just gonna keep taking the free games and not buying anything…

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u/Johanno1 3h ago

Does it run on Linux?

Well yes if you start it through steam....

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u/Lactoseloz 3h ago

Please let steam release a performance update with, "We don't need AI to be better than you."

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u/Woooshifyourmomgay 13h ago

Hey man, they showed more features other than this!

What? What do you mean Steam already had them? What do you mean it still has more QoL and customer-centered features?

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u/JuliusSeizure2753 9h ago

Making that 4.5 second time advantage the main selling point is idiotic. Most people open steam a couple of times at most and I highly doubt that anyone looses more than a minute a day on steam startup times so nobody cares that they can start their games a few seconds quicker

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u/askyidroppedthesoap 9h ago

My game purchases are as follows:
Steam: 695 titles
Epic: 8 titles
...that's not a coincidence, when it comes to those unique, weird and/retro indie games? Steam's got 'em and im such a sucker for 'em too lol. Comparing steam to epic is like comparing the selection between the local 7-11 and Mall Of America...

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u/SnoopyHaillDoge 13h ago

Shitty company, i aint playing or Even installing that launcher ever

They killed GTA online, they killed dbd, and they killed Star wars bf2

I don't know what tf they were thinking when they gave away those games, i was playing the 3 of them and they all filled with hackers to the brim, people could claim the Game on 30 accounts and hack tf out of 29 of them and still have a copy for themselves

Dbd was imposible to play, bf2 literally died And GTA You had to play on a prívate server because of You entered any public lobby You got instantly sent to a Cage or teleported to mars because of some dipshit doing epic games work

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u/BaronGodis 4h ago

Some one tries to co.mare a real store vs a trash bin

I will go for the store, but the only store in this post is Steam, who the fuck would touch that malware epic shit store?

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u/Mr_K_2u 15h ago

Why is everyone hating on epic? I don’t use it to buy anything but love getting free games.

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u/hoxto 15h ago

Vibe coded AI slop that you will collect free games but never play

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u/Glum-Objective3328 14h ago

There’s a game called Fortnite a bunch of people play

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u/hoxto 14h ago

Weird that they put such a popular game on my free game app.

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u/Glum-Objective3328 14h ago

Yea they can do that and put it on their launcher, and improve their launcher if they want. I don’t really understand why people are complaining, aren’t these all good?

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u/hoxto 14h ago

This is vibe coded AI slop that does little to nothing

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u/Glum-Objective3328 14h ago

It made the launcher faster. That’s a good figure of merit for code quality. Of course not everything, but what do you mean it did nothing? It made the launcher faster.

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u/The_Salacious_Zaand 13h ago

Oh boy, a bunch of shit code that no one knows how it works made a shit launcher that no one wants to use a little faster! Where do I sign up?

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u/Glum-Objective3328 13h ago

I mean, it’s just not that deep is all. The launcher is better. Don’t use it, the lord knows I never use Epic Games launcher.

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u/Dagordae 12h ago

The issue I have is that vibe coding is TERRIBLE for security.

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u/ShawnyMcKnight 15h ago

They do some anti-consumer things like get exclusivity on certain games for 6 months. Unfortunately for them one of those was Borderlands 3 so no one missed it.

I’m with you though, they give a ton of great AAA and Indy games away. I don’t get how their budget allows for it or what their end game is. I know people say it’s to get people to download the client and possibly use their store… but a far more effective way to do that is just have insane deals instead. Like have a AAA game for $5 once a month.

I will say I find it comical how people are anti-monopolies but insist on having ALL of their games on Steam. Gabe is one heartbeat away from Steam changing hands.

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u/Phemus01 14h ago

Their budget doesn’t. The store has never been profitable and they keep shifting the date it will be

They’re basically investing Fortnite money into this to try and buy themselves a market share before Fortnite dies

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u/ShawnyMcKnight 14h ago

I’m wondering if there is something super deep in the Eula that says they can pull the games whenever if they give up on the store and I should be playing the games now.

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u/Grunt636 12h ago

Every store has it in their EULA that you are just renting a license to play that can be revoked at any time for any reason so as soon as any of these digital stores pulls the plug the hard earned money you spent goes bye bye.

The only exception is probably GOG where you could download DRM free launchers beforehand to play if it ever dies.

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u/Dagordae 12h ago

They pulled a lot of anti-consumer crap when they first tried to supplant Steam. Their CEO is… Let’s say he’s got issues.
. And despite the huge push they made their platform is shockingly shit, missing basic features and whatnot for a bizarrely long time.

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u/ares0027 2h ago

Any moron who belittles, insults or downright wants them to go bankrupt of an alternative to something THEY DONT EVEN HAVE TO USE OR CONSUME and in no way, shape or form affected by it is a moron. This includes 99.99999% of steam fanboys, 99.9999999% of console fanboys.

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u/Spartan_117_YJR 1h ago

They compromised my card so I hope they go bankrupt for their complete disregard for customer data

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u/HikerRemastered 1h ago

You hold every company ever to the same standards or only when you’ve been personally afflicted?

There’s no right or wrong answer I’m just curious

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u/Spartan_117_YJR 29m ago

Personal experience adds on an extra layer. Contacted customer support from Epic questioning how and why was my card leaked, essentially got blamed for using a card to buy things digitally. What else am I supposed to use to buy shit online? Paypal? Fucknuts at epic.

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u/Fran910 1h ago

They bought rocket league, i still have it on steam. Every change they make affects me:

  • Removed trading
  • Removed support for Mac (literally cant play)

So yeah f them, they did some changes that are good now, but loooong ways to go