Bonjour j'ai commencé il y a quelques mois a essayer d obtenir des NEO, aujourd'hui j arrive a me stimuler jusqu a environ une demi seconde avant le PONR, ce qui provoque des contractions rythmiques de mon PC et mon penis qui gonfle et degonfle comme si il expulsé du sperme mais rien ne sort, et je ressent des picotements agreable dans mon bas ventre mais je n arrive pas a diffuser cette sensation dans tout mon corps.

J essaye aussi l orgasme sans stimulation, je relaxe mon plancher pelvien tout en respirant doucement, et apres quelque respiration je contracte tres legerement mon muscle PC jusqu au sacrum et coccyx, cela provoque un frisson agreable qui remonte dans mon corps et redescend dans mes jambes en laissant des petillements dans les extremités de mon corps.

Suis je sur la bonne voie pour experimenter ces NEO que je convoite tant, merci.

Has anybody had any luck with these methods or this guy's system?

He seems to recommend reverse kegels when reaching the point of no return.

Smpr

A lot of advice about delaying ejaculation recommends doing Kegels to strengthen the pelvic floor. But what if contracting those muscles actually pushes you closer to the point of no return (PONR)?
The pelvic floor muscles play a role in ejaculation, and for some men, actively squeezing them when arousal is already high may increase tension and make it harder to hold back. Instead of helping, the contraction might bring ejaculation closer.

I think learning to relax the pelvic floor can be just as important as learning to contract it. Slow breathing, relaxing the abdomen and pelvic muscles, reducing stimulation, and recognizing the early signs of rising arousal may be more useful than squeezing harder at the last moment.

This seems especially relevant for men interested in multiple orgasms or non-ejaculatory orgasms, where learning to manage arousal without automatically triggering ejaculation is part of the goal. Although i want to shout at you: don’t go for goals!🤣

Kegels can be useful for pelvic floor function, but stronger muscles don’t automatically mean better ejaculatory control. Timing, coordination, and the ability to relax matter too. Of course, this can vary from person to person, and relaxing the pelvic floor alone isn’t a scientifically established method for achieving non-ejaculatory orgasms.

Have you noticed that contracting your pelvic floor when approaching the PONR sometimes makes ejaculation feel even more inevitable? Or have Kegels actually helped you gain control?

So I read the post from a week ago that is causing uproar, I have read the mod’s post, I understand the logic between calling certain orgasms pelvic floor orgasms and honestly have no beans in that raffle.

More striking to me was someone’s comment that men can’t have status orgasms. From what I understand status orgasm is just an especially long orgasm, which I and many other men anecdotally have (for example, I regularly have 10+ minute orgasms).

So what exactly is a status orgasm?

And even if the evidence is purely anecdotal can we accept that it is possible in men?

I do have beans in this particular raffle, as it is my body and my experience!

A lot of people here describe feelings and techniques to have NEO but also important thing is that it makes EO better too. I like sessions with NEO because they are multiple and so pleasurable but I often finish with EO and I see big difference between my ejaculations now and before I mastered NEO. I think that being multiorgasmic keep more arousal and feelings in body which cumulate during EO so it is stronger. The second thing that after practise NEO you have much better control in kegel muscles and contractions are stronger. For that reason ejaculation looks and feels really well. It is a good thing that the semen shoots out rather than just flowing out and the volume is also significantly greater. When you decide to ejaculate you have to be careful no to shoot yourself in the face.

So I think that it is important to know. It is not only NEO but your EO will be better too. Your contractions will be stronger and the appearance of the ejaculate will improve.

So I'm making progress and I'm at a point now where I can consistently stay stimulated without reaching PONR. My question is:

I find myself going up to say a 95 in pleasure (96 being PONR) and then letting it spread around the body as I relax into it, but as it subsides, I am constantly pushing to get back to that 95 (either by thrusting, shifting angles or switching up focused pressure) after the wave has come through. In other words I have no patience, it seems. And when I do get to the PONR and I decide to see if I can relax my way through it, I am continuously unable to do so and I ejaculate. The question I guess is do I stop chasing the 95? My feeling by chasing it is I am only training my abilities to stay closer to that 95 for longer.

Now that I am able to maintain control or limit pleasure at 95 is there any advice to focus on going forward? My current train of thought is to just keep practicing and spreading around the sensations and do my best to be patient as well as (ideally) not give into an attempt to force an NEO.

Quick note: I used AI to fix some grammar and make the post easier to read, but the experiences and opinions are my own.

In my last post, I was skeptical. A few months later, I think I finally have a better idea of what I’m experiencing, and I think it fits the definition of a NEO.

Multiple ejaculations

I kept practicing multiple ejaculation and extended sessions, and over time it gradually became the norm for me. Looking back, I think I was probably capable of this all along, but I either didn’t want to, or maybe I had some guilt around it.

I remember that after doing this for the first few times, I started having anxiety episodes that would last for days. I still don’t know why that happened, but at the time it seemed like refraining from ejaculation helped ease the anxiety. Thankfully, that doesn’t happen anymore 😌

The biggest change is that I’m no longer scared of ejaculation. I kind of just don’t care anymore. What I do try to avoid is getting excessively tight.

If you’ve ever done climbing, you’ll know that you generally want to use as little unnecessary tension as possible, because tensing up too much just tires your muscles out faster. That seems to apply here too.

On the NEO part

In my first post, I thought I was probably confusing the PONR with a NEO.

To each their own, but at least for me, this isn’t a radically different experience from a normal orgasm. There’s a less obvious PONR sensation where sensitivity increases, my body temperature rises, and I just kind of know that something is happening. It keeps building on its own until it reaches a blissful state, and then the heat seems to move through my body.

It’s a euphoric, almost innocent feeling, and it’s awesome, but I don’t find it “mind blowing” or out of this world. Instead, it mostly just makes me happy. I want to stretch, move, and pose in weird positions, which I realize sounds silly, but it’s true.

It also isn’t that far removed from the PONR. I can still feel that my body really wants to ejaculate, including pressure in my pelvis. Sometimes it even feels like ejaculation is almost within reach just from thinking about it.

My analogy is a tea kettle. Instead of getting too hot and overflowing, it just keeps steaming and whistling, and then eventually settles down.

In my previous post, I didn’t really consider this an orgasm. I know it might sound like precision edging or a partial orgasm. After all, it lacks that “pop” and the narrowing of thoughts that I associate with ejaculation. But if I compare the peak itself to a normal orgasm, I’d actually rate this a bit higher. Whatever the right label is, I really enjoy this state.

My limiting factors are mainly physical exhaustion and, sometimes, vasocongestion starting to make my penis hurt from the inside. My pelvic floor doesn’t hurt anymore, which I think is largely thanks to learning to relax instead of constantly tensing. I’m open if you have any tips.

I also chose to post this today because I was able to stay in this state without ejaculating while maintaining stimulation, which I consider to be a milestone. I still had to slow down the pace, but hopefully one day that won’t be necessary anymore (next milestone 😅?)

Where I’m at now

I don’t remember how I ended up on this sub, but I’ve really enjoyed listening to other people’s experiences and sharing mine.

For skeptics, like I was, I’d say: don’t assume something is impossible just because you haven’t experienced it yourself.

I do think this sub might really be pioneering in this area. We still don’t have much solid scientific research on this, so you probably won’t find a conclusive answer right now outside of your own experience.

I also wouldn’t assume there’s only one method. Experiment, stay curious, and pay attention to what happens at the edge of your own experience. How far can you go outside the usual script? What happens when you get close to the limit? Explore it and find out.

Finishing off, I’m still open to exploring other forms of stimulation like prostate and nipple play, and I really respect everyone who overcame the social stigma around that. I’m not as brave as you, but I’m getting there.

I’ve been multi-orgasmic for quite a while now, and I thought I’d share what helped me, because I had absolutely no idea this was even possible for a man.

For me the biggest change was realizing that orgasm and ejaculation don’t have to be the same thing.

Once I stopped thinking “I have to finish”, everything became much easier. I started paying more attention to the sensations in my body and learned to stay relaxed when the intensity increased.

A few things that really helped me:

Relax your pelvic floor. Don’t constantly squeeze or tense it. For me, relaxation made a huge difference.
Breathe slowly and naturally. I find that holding my breath or getting too excited makes it much harder to stay in control.

Don’t try to force an orgasm. Sometimes the more I chase it, the further away it gets. I learned to let the sensation build instead.

Pay attention to the whole body. For me it isn’t just a genital sensation anymore. I can feel waves through my pelvis, lower back, stomach, chest and sometimes all the way into my head.

Most importantly: learn the difference between “getting close to ejaculation” and an orgasmic wave. They are not necessarily the same thing.

In the beginning I could only stay with it for a short time. With practice I learned to let the feeling rise, peak and continue instead of automatically ending everything.

Nowadays I can sometimes have several separate orgasms, but other times it feels more like one long orgasmic state with waves of pleasure coming and going.

I’m not saying this will work exactly the same for everyone. I’m just sharing what made the biggest difference for me.

If you’re trying to become multi-orgasmic, my biggest advice would be: relax, slow down, don’t force it and learn your own body’s signals.

It took me quite a while, but for me it completely changed the way I experience male orgasm.

I can get multiple orgasms via a variation of the so called relaxation method BUT I still struggle to get the "kegel interruption method" to work (which is actively shared and proposed in this sub) and I want to explore that method to compare.

I read all the posts explaining the kegel method. I master mindful stimulation, various ways to relax the body and the pelvic floor, can trigger involuntary contractions on demand, have great pelvic floor muscle control, tune into sensations etc. I can get to the edge and literally stay on 9.8 with great control and in a very relaxed state for minutes where I literally feel the orgasm starting (but not peaking) and I know that if I take just one more step over the edge I will pass into PONR in a second. And yes I tried a lot trying to make sense of the short sharp kegel method designed to interrupt in the pre emission state.

So far all the instructions posted seems to be detailed in reaching this far. But I dont feel it, similar to how I approach all the other techniques I learned.

So assuming that you are at 9.8 and you basically feel the orgasm starting and you balance with great control yet being relaxed, what would be the next action???

1) You actually take that extra step which you know will lead to PONR but you also time a kegel to basically "jump" the ejaculation/emission, since you know it will happen in 1-2 seconds it helps the timing

2) You stay at the safe 9.8 and try to use a sharp kegel to push you over the edge

3) You edge yourself higher and higher, reaching 9.83, 9.85, 9.89 until you finally fell over and you time this with a short kegel

I tried all 3 above so now I ask for very specific actions on how you would do it. Not just the techniques but also how the feeling guides you. And yes I tried many times so that advice will not work. And yes I dont fear ejaculation and usually ends every session with an ejaculation.

(As a side note when I approach using the method that works for me (not the kegel method) I pay more attention on relaxing the pelvic floor and tuning into sensations there in combination with special kind of penis stimulation.)

Hey everybody there is something that is not quite clear to me. In order to achieve a NEO, do i need to stimulate the regular ejaculatory pathway until right before PONR and then start stimulating the orgasmic pathway or should i stimulate the orgasmic pathway from the beginning?

Hello everyone.

I'm new here but not to being multiorgasmic 🤣. In 2018 after smoking weed I found out I had the capacity to have multiple infinite orgasms.

I began having them regularly ever since, with different partners and kinds of stimulation, even when I am sober. I can have over 60-70 orgasms, I do not get tired or overstimulated, at some point I just get really thirsty and my throat aches from the screaming so I have to stop.

This does not happen with every partner, just with the people I have a lot of chemistry with.

I cannot reach that state when masturbating, but I think it's because I have a hard time getting properly turned on without a partner, although after sexting with my ex last week I realised I could reach the same state on my own. Will be exploring that.

For me orgasms go something like this, consider 10 being an orgasm: 1 2 3 ... 10 10 10 9 10 10 11!!! 11 11 9 8 8 8 10 11 12 12 12 and so on. I can feel the end and the beginning of an orgasm and they often overlap.

I have asked my friends and partners if they have ever heard of something similar. They haven't.

My question is: is this really that rare? People usually do not believe me or just stare in awe.

Where do I start? Seriously. I have been reading some stuff on here but I’m just overwhelmed and also I feel like it would be too hard to start with the things Ive read about. So what do you suggest?
I’ve been edging a lot so edging and tried stimulating my prostate through my perineum but haven’t really focused on it too much. Thats about all of the experience I have

I've been experimenting with breathing and would love to hear if others have tried similar things.

Usually breathwork advice is to do slow, controlled, deep breathing, which is a great foundation. But after experimenting and reading more about breathing, I got curious about the opposite end: high-intensity breathwork. This is practiced outside of sex. It may train the nervous system and can result in a very relaxed mind.

The idea, loosely combining Wim Hof, Tummo and a bit of the Art of Living breathing style:

• Take 20-40 quick power breaths (kind of deliberate hyperventilation), 1-2 seconds per inhale and exhale. On the last breath, only breathe out about 70%.
• Hold your breath until you feel the first clear urge to breathe. Consciously relax the pelvic floor while you hold (reverse kegel: let the perineum drop).
• Take a deep recovery breath, then hold for 15 seconds with a pelvic floor lift, visualizing the energy moving up the spine.
• Let go and then repeat for 2-5 rounds.

Safety: this can cause light-headedness or brief loss of control. Only do it sitting or lying down, never in water, never driving!! And not during sex, that would be weird, I guess.

My hypothesis (and it is only that): the rapid-breathing phase produces a sympathetic spike that's somewhat similar to the "point of no return" surge. Dropping straight into a calm hold with a released pelvic floor might train you to stay grounded through that spike. And it might help using attention to move energy from your pelvic floor up. I'm not aware of any research directly linking this to ejaculatory control. There are studies on Wim Hof and Sudarshan Kriya showing effects on stress and heart rate variability, but the "transfer to climax control" part is my own reasoning. The "energy up the spine" part comes from tantric/Taoist traditions. And if nothing else, this practice adds a variation to train controlled breathing and body awareness.

If you want to try this: For the breathing part, you can find Wim Hof's guided videos on YouTube. Disclosure: I'm an indie developer and I've just added this as a guided exercise (with the pelvic floor cues) to my app, Multi Man (used to be called Pelvic Lab). It's free on iOS and paid on Android, and I'm happy to share a free Android code with anyone who wants to try it and tell me what they think. But I'm more interested in the discussion than in installs.

Has anyone tried Wim Hof or Tummo-style or some similair breathing for this purpose? Did you notice any carry-over into arousal control?

I recently discovered something new; I’d heard from some people that it’s possible to have an orgasm with ejaculation but without the refractory period. It’s characterized by a strong, involuntary contraction—identical to the one during ejaculation—that expels semen. I experienced this a few days ago. I think it involves partially triggering the ejaculation and orgasm reflex—just enough to avoid setting off the refractory period and a full ejaculation. I’ve had intense leakage before, but without the contractions; this time, I felt a genuine, strong contraction and emission. I think this might be the next level of edging and a sign of better control. So, once you achieve your first NEO, that’s when things really get started. There are so many types of orgasms, and our bodies react to arousal and stimulation in various ways depending on the situation. Discovering this is really cool and enjoyable. The sensation I just described doesn't offer the same deep, wild pleasure as an NEO, but it’s definitely something I’ll want to master and repeat. It also looks like multiple orgasms with ejaculation are possible if you develop good control. It turns out that anything really is possible.

there are all these posts that i keep looking at of people who have achieved the dry orgasm, but how come no one has made a video showing how it is done? every person who claims this, acts like it is the easiest thing in the world to achieve, yet no one can show it? we don't need to see your face, only what you are doing, and talking through it would help. could anyone help with facilitating this?

hi everyone! I had an interesting hands-free meditation session today that i think clarified something I have been trying to put into words for a while, so I decided to write this out;

My basic practice is simple, i've written about it here before but i'll touch on some of the main points again for those who haven't seen my previous posts. I settle down, find a comfy position, take a few deep breaths and then let my breath go back to natural, and place my attention on whatever pleasurable or arousing sensations are already present in my body. When my attention wanders, I return to the breath for a moment and then notice what is happening physically again. If I start thinking about uncertainty/doubt/frustration, I just tell myself that is my wanting for orgasm just pushing too hard and use that as arousal data too.

In my session today, the first sensations were subtle enough that maintaining attention took some intention. Paying close attention seemed to make those sensations more salient, which increased my arousal, which is sorta the essence of the loop. The increased arousal then produced stronger sensations, which gave my attention more to notice, etc.. That made the arousal stronger again, and so on.

Eventually it felt like the loop stopped requiring much deliberate effort from me. There's a point where i'm like "i couldn't stop this arousal building if i tried" or maybe a different way is "i'm trying to relax and focus on my breath but the pleasure/arousal are so intense i can't passively relax anymore!"

The progression felt something like:

attention to sensation → increased arousal → stronger sensation → easier attention → increased arousal

Once it crossed a certain threshold, the experience became much more involuntary. Not that there was much that was actually voluntary or deliberate, just the orgasmic response was looping involuntarily so to speak. My breathing changed and i started moaning, my pelvic muscles started responding on their own (kegels, reverse kegels), and separate orgasmic waves gradually blurred into something closer to one sustained orgasmic state. At the peak I was essentially staying still and allowing the process to continue rather than actively trying to produce another orgasm.

I have seen the word mindgasm used for experiences in this general territory, and it seems reasonably close to what I am describing from today. What interests me more than the label is the attentional mechanism.

The thing is, deliberately chasing an orgasm seems much less effective for me than becoming absorbed in the sensations that already exist. Like, if i sat down and told my body "orgasm now!" it wouldn't create the loop. I have to dwell in the passive relaxation, then the orgasm then becomes an emergent consequence of attention rather than the object of attention. I hope that makes sense, it's such a particular way of paying attention without trying to cause or force or deliberately do something.

Please let me know if there is something I can clarify, I find these writing exercises helpful for my own reflection, and I try to write in a way that is easily understandable without compromising nuance for others too understand. I plan on posting a video of the session I wrote about too (on a different subreddit), if that would help anyone :)

So I’ve been trying to achieve my first ever neo through this technique using my thumb and fingers with no success but today I changed it up a bit. I used the web between my thumb and index, put coconut oil on it and started to jerk my glans (no frenulum, corona or foreskin) and my fucking god! I don’t think I had an orgasm but my prostate felt like it was on fire with every stroke, am I on the right path?

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

I discovered the other day that the following combination of things at the same time causes what I think are dry orgasms:

• Tensing lower abs
• Tensing your sphincter
• Keeping your perineum relaxed
• Breathing deeply
• Pinching and rolling the sweet spot on the bottom side of your penis

The last point might be difficult to understand, but basically you're taking two fingers and pinching a spot on the underside of your penile shaft. You're rolling that bit of skin between your fingers. This shouldn't hurt and it feels good for me. I find if I do this just by itself, it feels good but not to the point of getting an erection. It kinda feels like I'm doing a little tease.

Okay, so I lay down on my bed. I'm stimulating my penis like I described before and breathing deeply - not overly forced, but just a nice and easy pace. I don't hold my breathe or anything. It feels good. Then I add in squeezing my lower abs and my anus; I don't exert too much tension, just enough to feel like I'm doing something. At the same time, I'm focusing on keeping my perineum relaxed as possible.

Eventually, I'll start to leak precum, especially the longer I hold it. As I'm keeping my perineum relaxed, it almost feels like I'm feeling up a reservoir of precum in my perineal area. I'm still doing the pinch-and-roll teasing on my penis.

Once I've built up a feeling of there's precum "loaded" up, I'll gradually start squeezing my lower abs and sphincter more and more, and at the same time, I'm paying special attention to keep my perineum as relaxed as possible. (As a reminder, I'm still teasing my penis while this is all happening). If I had to describe it, my perineum wants to tense and contract but I'm not letting it, and the increasing tensing of my abs and sphincter are making it harder for my perineum to fight off contractions. It's like a battle of this feels increasingly good, but I don't want to cum yet, so don't tense up that spot on your taint. If you know the million dollar point on your taint, that's where I try to keep relaxed.

After it gets a bit more intense, I'll start using my legs to slightly raise my body. I find this positioning helps to increase the tension on my abs and sphincter. My body starts to tremble a little bit. There's like a tug-of-war going on between the tensing of my abs and anus, and the relaxing of my taint, with the taint really wanting to give out and feel that pleasurable contraction. I'll experience maybe a minor contraction or two (not strong enough to feel pleasurable, but enough to go, uh oh, I don't know if I can hold on). At this point, it feels like I'm edging and trying to build up as much pleasure as possible before letting go. I'm squeezing my abs and anus more and more (while keeping my taint relaxed).

Eventually, my taint gets overwhelmed by the "squeezing" forces of my lower abs and anus and isn't able to keep holding out. I'll experience several full pleasurable contractions from my taint, similar to what you'll feel during ejaculation. I don't shoot out any cum, but instead a bit of precum. The amount of precum isn't very much, but enough to leave a streak in your underwear. This psuedo-ejaculation feels good, not as much as a wet orgasm, but pleasurable enough for you to want to do it again.

I'm able to repeat this multiple times (I probably did it maybe 9 times or so) without losing arousal. After the first time, it gets easier and easier to reach that dry "climax". I'll eventually switch over to masturbating normally and get a wet orgasm, just because it feels odd to get a dry orgasm and still be aroused.

I should add that I'm watching porn while doing this, but as I get deeper and deeper, it's harder to focus on what I'm watching and I close my eyes to to feel the sensations.

Has anyone else experienced this? Would love to hear ppl's thoughts

Update: added bullet point about keeping perineum relaxed

I have never managed to like the feeling of orgasm as much as i like the feeling of friction.
the second I start ejaculating, a sense of weakness comes down upon my body.

I was thinking this is most likely caused by my dysfunctional pelvic floor which I constantly squeeze subconsciously and it took me years to get it to a stable semi-relaxed state.

But even during wet dreams when I'm at my most calm state, which is sleep, and my pelvic floor is completely relaxed, I never wake up with a pleasureful orgasm.

This made me grow a hatred towards ejaculation as I experienced way stronger pleasure by focusing on how my grip feels on my penis for hours rather than focusing on the building-up excitement that came from the thought of cumming.

So I'm not sure whether there's still something physically wrong with me or I just don't like how orgasms make me feel. (keep in mind i'm highly neurodivergent)

Anybody here on Silodosin? I have a theory that the emission phase of orgasm is the cause of the refractory period.

Think about it. Women don’t have an emission phase. Multiorgasmic.

Trans women don’t have an emission phase. Multiorgasmic.

Trans men don’t have an emission phase. Multiorgasmic.

Silodosin users… don’t have an emission phase! Are you multiorgasmic? Does it reduce or delete the refractory period for you?

Earlier this year I had atuned my body to experience multiple orgasms after years of on and off practice , using mindfulness, breathing and relaxation methods, most of my results came from sitting in a comfortable chair and sinking into the moment without distraction and also without porn, however I did use fantasy stimuli of my current female lover..

Most of my tips and assistance either came from this sub and various YT vids which talk on the subject.

But there was a lack of consistency and flow ..

Recently i discovered through laying on my back with my head elevated on 2 pillows my knees bought up with my feet planted on the bed shoulder width apart.

By being semi aroused and lightly stroking my sensitive left nipple I can start to feel the early stages of orgasm starting..

Its not long before autonomously my pelvic floor muscles are massaging my prostate .

This where things changed for me.

Instead of forcing things ,I relax further and not race through it , just using a very slight reverse kegel to balance the muscle group.

Prior to this my abdominal muscles would tighten and the orgasmic flow would be hindered.

Now the only muscles that move are my pc muscles , and that's how my my orgasmic energy flows all around.

By not focusing on the outcome , orgasms come and go every few minutes ..

Everybody is different, by i read of so many failures particularly men because they are

1 too eager

2 dont want to practice

3 are not relaxed enough

4 expecting an orgasm as ejaculating.

..if you are in the ejaculation mindset it will hinder your progress..

Has anyone tried or looked into using tension and trauma releasing exercises (TRE) as a way to help release and control pelvic floor tension on their way to their path to becoming multiorgasmic? I stumbled upon a YouTube tutorial yesterday, and to me it seemed this might help lower tension, especially in the pelvic floor, which might help staying relaxed during arousal and thus gain more control.

Here is the video I found that has a tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoB9wpuO688
And on Wikipedia is more background info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_and_Trauma_Releasing_Exercises

To my knowledge, during sex the body will produce pre cum and then at the point of orgasm will release the sperm to be ejaculated

What is happening with NEO? Are we holding the sperm back? And if so, isn’t this unhealthy by clogging the pipes, which will just eventually be pissed out later on anyway?