r/Geelong • • 11h ago

[Politics] Breaking: Victorian Labor promises to fully cover out-of-pocket costs for all abortions, as One Nation seeks to ban abortion in potential deal with Jess Wilson’s Liberals

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_MRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Fstate-election%2Flabors-pledge-expected-to-wedge-jess-wilson-forcing-the-liberal-leader-to-defend-her-partys-position-on-abortion%2Fnews-story%2F0880c52f6af61e0e6865e5fb18395cc6&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=GROUPA-Segment-1-NOSCORE
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u/Timetogoout 3h ago

Why is the conversation about abortion even making it's way into politics? How has it become so normalised for politicians to talk about specific medical procedures? Unless the politician is also an OB/GYN, don't want to hear it. Just assign a Medicare number to it, like any other procedure, and move on.

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u/Lumpy_Salamander2 10h ago

Who ever thought one nation was a good idea needs there fucking head checked 

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u/punyweakling 9h ago

The number of immigrants backing one nation absolutely astounds me lol. Pure algorithm rot.

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u/Silviecat44 6h ago

Pulling the ladder up

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u/Feisty_Ad3521 5h ago

All of a sudden their opinion doesn't matter?

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u/punyweakling 4h ago

Please reframe your question.

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 1h ago

No it’s not that their opinion doesn’t matter, it’s just they feel entitled to ethnic peoples vote.

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u/Feisty_Ad3521 1h ago

That's not what the original comment said though

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 59m ago

Not but it’s a common trope all through out leftist politics. It’s called paternalism when people expect immigrants to act in a monolithic voting bloc and it’s actually quite racist

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u/MightyBoy9 5h ago

Be careful resorting to calling people that disagree with you names without explaining why, makes you sound like a fool.

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u/Awkward_Umpire_2158 10h ago

Abortion is health care…

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u/One_Significance5407 8h ago

Most are, yes. Others are just wrong.. in the ACT you can have an abortion literally up until the due date without giving an excuse. No health risks, no birth defects etc you can get one just because you don’t feel like it. I’m not saying it’s common, but it does happen and the law needs to change.

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u/93ericvon 8h ago edited 7h ago

Abortions after 20 weeks (roughly only 1-3% of all abortions Australia) take place because of serious medical factors/dangers. Women aren’t just getting to 8 months and then deciding “yeah nah, changed my mind”. Furthermore from what I can find, abortion on request in ACT is only up to 24 weeks (just over 5 months). Abortions after 24 weeks require a second medical practitioner to agree that it’s medically necessary.

Edit: Hold up, I was looking at Victorian law.

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 6h ago

Well you couldn’t have been looking at Victoria’s laws because Victoria is upto 24 weeks.

One nations platform says they want to change it to 20 weeks

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u/HappyWarthogs 3h ago

I mean it’s particularly stupid because major medical issues are often found on the 20 week scan and if you haven’t had it yet you won’t be aware there is some sort of problem that is incompatible with life or will mean some sort of incredibly complex condition that will condemn a child to pain and misery. Morons

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 2h ago

You realise it’s not a hard line and the medical necessity carve out would still be their?

Seems like you’re ranting for the sake of ranting without actually understanding the whole policy

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u/One_Significance5407 8h ago edited 7h ago

As my last sentence said, it’s not common, but it does and has happened. I’m not sure where youre getting the information from, but you absolutely can get an abortion at any time as theirs no gestational limit in the ACT, and it doesn’t require a secondary medical practitioner. The rest of Australia, yes but not the ACT. Getting downvoted for stating facts is wild, the truth hurts.

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u/MightyBoy9 5h ago

Let's not pretend that limiting abortion access isn't about controlling women and keeping poor people generationally poor.

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u/mr-snrub- 7h ago

Do you have a source for this claim?

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u/One_Significance5407 6h ago

Childrenbychoice.org.au and it’s all written on the ACT government health portal as well, that’s just a couple of sources. It’s pretty easy to fact check. Again, just becuase it’s not common doesn’t mean that it’s never happened.

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u/mr-snrub- 6h ago

> Children by Choice is an independent non-profit Queensland-based organisation that  has been championing the reproductive rights of woman and pregnant people for over  50 years.

Once again, please find where on that site it says you can get an abortion up until the due date for any reason without a second doctor signing it off. in the ACT. I'm open to learning, so I genuinely would like to see the evidence for this.

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u/One_Significance5407 6h ago

Not sure that being a QLD based organisation matters when it specifically has the option to look at ACT rules. I’m currently at work, so don’t have much time but do a bit of googling and you’ll see for yourself. If you’re genuinely interested then it shouldn’t be that hard.

Multiple sources listed. Mypregnancyoptions, Healthdirect, ACT.Gov etc

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u/mr-snrub- 6h ago

I can also get AI to give me answers that agree with what I want too.

I do find it interesting that you've cut off the part about 'practical availability', which is probably most relevant to this conversation.

Despite the fact that the statement that legislation doesnt prevent abortion 'for any reason' including the mother simply deciding she doesnt want it anymore, up until that due date being true, the practicality of it actually happening and a doctor signing off on it is HIGHLY unlikely.
You also havent provided any evidence of that occurring other than saying "its not common but it happens". I guarantee you if there was ACTUAL evidence of that happening, the pro-lifers would be plastering it everywhere. But you go ahead and believe whatever it is you want to believe. I'm sure you'll just think that I'm "ignoring the evidence" cause I dont want to believe.

Any restrictions on abortions when there is already a doctor involved are a slippery slope and should be avoided. The legislation does not need to change.

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u/One_Significance5407 5h ago

Your third paragraph proves my point. Highly unlikely as you said in capital letters, but still legal. Thanks

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u/mr-snrub- 3h ago

Just cause something is legal isnt proof that it's happening...

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u/One_Significance5407 3h ago

But it CAN happen and that’s my whole point. Again, thanks for looking into it and confirming what I already know is true. I hope more people learn about this

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u/mr-snrub- 6h ago

Show me where EXACTLY on those sites it says that. I am having trouble finding the exact pages.

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u/One_Significance5407 6h ago

I can post a million different sources but I’m guessing you’ll still try to argue and attempt prove me wrong because you don’t want to believe it

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u/mr-snrub- 6h ago

That says there's no limit, it doesnt say FOR ANY REASON. Show me where it says FOR ANY REASON.

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u/snrub742 South Geelong 9h ago

Abortions for some, little American flags for others!

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u/MightyBoy9 8h ago

Christo-Nationalism won't fly in Australia.

Way to throw any chance of winning you might've had out the window.

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u/Bitch_baby96 8h ago

Jesus this is grim. Stripping women's reproductive rights just like America

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u/HerbertDad 7h ago

One Nation/Libs going the brilliant way of destroying an easy win with trying to ban abortion.

Literally copying the absolute stupidity of the Republican's in the US.

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u/NiceToBeMe1 6h ago

Libs have already said the won’t change the laws as they stand now. So good try champ

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u/mr-snrub- 6h ago

Even if the libs say they wont do it, if a minority government gets in with One Nation with some of the power, that gives them enough to try to raise the legislation. Also lets not forget that LNP is also made up of the Nationals too. I'm sure some of them would be happy to try and past some of these restrictions.

A vote for the Libs is 100% a vote for restrictions to abortions

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u/Revolutionary_Ad7727 5h ago

I couldn’t have said it better myself!

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u/HerbertDad 6h ago

That doesn't appear to be the message that the media is putting out. All normies will read is "One Nation is trying to ban abortion".

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 6h ago

Isn’t one nations actual policy to repel to like 20 weeks instead of 24?

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u/Exciting-Composer157 Highton 1h ago

Was reported on ABC news this morning that ON want 12 weeks.

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 1h ago

Warren Pickering said thhe wanted 12 weeks, in 2022, so are they trying to ban abortion or not?

The party’s official policy for the Victorian election is 20 weeks.

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u/DeadCatBounce00 8m ago

Where is the ON policy announcement about banning abortion or is this just more made up scaremongering?

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 6h ago

Is everyone getting baited by mainstream media again?

ON offical policy is to restrict abortion to the first 20 weeks, because premature babies are actually commonly surviving being born at 22-28 weeks, where as previously this was very very rare.

M brother had a 27 week premmy baby 13 years ago and the doctors sure weren’t confident on her then, shows how far our natal care has advanced imo.

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u/Dranzer_22 4h ago

Late-term abortions are only allowed for certain scenarios, such as when the life of the mother is at risk in childbirth.

The current laws are already sensible, and ON are trying to dismantle Abortion Rights in Australia brick by brick.

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u/Revolutionary_Ad7727 5h ago

I’m so glad to hear things worked out for your brother and niece, but this isn’t about babies being born premmie and their survival rate.

My SIL had to have a late term abortion at about 24 weeks because the fetus had a birth defect where the spin was growing outside of the body and would never have survived.

It took 2 doctors to sign off on this and it was done as it was determined that it would be better for the physical health my SIL. I’d hate to think of the mental health implications of carrying a baby to full term that was then going to die.

While this seems like a ‘moderate’ change to the laws, this is where rights start to get eroded, and we end up in a situation like the US, where a victim of rape, or an uber driver can end up with harsher punishments than an actual rapist.

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u/Alarmed-Foot-7490 1h ago

Thanks for that., but it kind is their whole point, you understand under one nations policy your sister would still be able to abort that fetus for medical reasons. She would go through the same process.

All I have to say in your last point is that isn’t a unique US thing, the judiciary all across the western world doesn’t give rapists prison sentences that are in line with community expectations and I think it’s disgusting.

Eg- this,

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/woman-jailed-for-insulting-gang-rapist/news-story/e07e47bdc9869fe517c70ac900bddf7b

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u/DirectorElectrical67 6h ago

To PH and her archaic Temu trump policies ~ fk off!! You have no right to tell anyone what to do with their bodies! No one goes and has an abortion because they feel like it!

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u/Unusual-Criticism803 5h ago

An unborn human is not your body

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u/Kirstae 5h ago

It actually is, considering it goes inside a body

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u/Various-Pea-5376 2h ago

DNA says it’s not

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u/curiousmind68 7h ago

What a load of shit - total cost had always been covered
You all know this is just Labor party propaganda
Labor must be running scared