[Politics]
Breaking: Victorian Labor promises to fully cover out-of-pocket costs for all abortions, as One Nation seeks to ban abortion in potential deal with Jess Wilson’s Liberals
Why is the conversation about abortion even making it's way into politics? How has it become so normalised for politicians to talk about specific medical procedures? Unless the politician is also an OB/GYN, don't want to hear it. Just assign a Medicare number to it, like any other procedure, and move on.
Not but it’s a common trope all through out leftist politics. It’s called paternalism when people expect immigrants to act in a monolithic voting bloc and it’s actually quite racist
Most are, yes. Others are just wrong.. in the ACT you can have an abortion literally up until the due date without giving an excuse. No health risks, no birth defects etc you can get one just because you don’t feel like it. I’m not saying it’s common, but it does happen and the law needs to change.
Abortions after 20 weeks (roughly only 1-3% of all abortions Australia) take place because of serious medical factors/dangers. Women aren’t just getting to 8 months and then deciding “yeah nah, changed my mind”. Furthermore from what I can find, abortion on request in ACT is only up to 24 weeks (just over 5 months). Abortions after 24 weeks require a second medical practitioner to agree that it’s medically necessary.
I mean it’s particularly stupid because major medical issues are often found on the 20 week scan and if you haven’t had it yet you won’t be aware there is some sort of problem that is incompatible with life or will mean some sort of incredibly complex condition that will condemn a child to pain and misery. Morons
As my last sentence said, it’s not common, but it does and has happened. I’m not sure where youre getting the information from, but you absolutely can get an abortion at any time as theirs no gestational limit in the ACT, and it doesn’t require a secondary medical practitioner. The rest of Australia, yes but not the ACT. Getting downvoted for stating facts is wild, the truth hurts.
Childrenbychoice.org.au and it’s all written on the ACT government health portal as well, that’s just a couple of sources. It’s pretty easy to fact check. Again, just becuase it’s not common doesn’t mean that it’s never happened.
> Children by Choice is an independent non-profit Queensland-based organisation that has been championing the reproductive rights of woman and pregnant people for over 50 years.
Once again, please find where on that site it says you can get an abortion up until the due date for any reason without a second doctor signing it off. in the ACT. I'm open to learning, so I genuinely would like to see the evidence for this.
Not sure that being a QLD based organisation matters when it specifically has the option to look at ACT rules. I’m currently at work, so don’t have much time but do a bit of googling and you’ll see for yourself. If you’re genuinely interested then it shouldn’t be that hard.
I can also get AI to give me answers that agree with what I want too.
I do find it interesting that you've cut off the part about 'practical availability', which is probably most relevant to this conversation.
Despite the fact that the statement that legislation doesnt prevent abortion 'for any reason' including the mother simply deciding she doesnt want it anymore, up until that due date being true, the practicality of it actually happening and a doctor signing off on it is HIGHLY unlikely.
You also havent provided any evidence of that occurring other than saying "its not common but it happens". I guarantee you if there was ACTUAL evidence of that happening, the pro-lifers would be plastering it everywhere. But you go ahead and believe whatever it is you want to believe. I'm sure you'll just think that I'm "ignoring the evidence" cause I dont want to believe.
Any restrictions on abortions when there is already a doctor involved are a slippery slope and should be avoided. The legislation does not need to change.
But it CAN happen and that’s my whole point. Again, thanks for looking into it and confirming what I already know is true. I hope more people learn about this
Even if the libs say they wont do it, if a minority government gets in with One Nation with some of the power, that gives them enough to try to raise the legislation. Also lets not forget that LNP is also made up of the Nationals too. I'm sure some of them would be happy to try and past some of these restrictions.
A vote for the Libs is 100% a vote for restrictions to abortions
Is everyone getting baited by mainstream media again?
ON offical policy is to restrict abortion to the first 20 weeks, because premature babies are actually commonly surviving being born at 22-28 weeks, where as previously this was very very rare.
M brother had a 27 week premmy baby 13 years ago and the doctors sure weren’t confident on her then, shows how far our natal care has advanced imo.
I’m so glad to hear things worked out for your brother and niece, but this isn’t about babies being born premmie and their survival rate.
My SIL had to have a late term abortion at about 24 weeks because the fetus had a birth defect where the spin was growing outside of the body and would never have survived.
It took 2 doctors to sign off on this and it was done as it was determined that it would be better for the physical health my SIL. I’d hate to think of the mental health implications of carrying a baby to full term that was then going to die.
While this seems like a ‘moderate’ change to the laws, this is where rights start to get eroded, and we end up in a situation like the US, where a victim of rape, or an uber driver can end up with harsher punishments than an actual rapist.
Thanks for that., but it kind is their whole point, you understand under one nations policy your sister would still be able to abort that fetus for medical reasons. She would go through the same process.
All I have to say in your last point is that isn’t a unique US thing, the judiciary all across the western world doesn’t give rapists prison sentences that are in line with community expectations and I think it’s disgusting.
To PH and her archaic Temu trump policies ~ fk off!! You have no right to tell anyone what to do with their bodies! No one goes and has an abortion because they feel like it!
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u/Timetogoout 3h ago
Why is the conversation about abortion even making it's way into politics? How has it become so normalised for politicians to talk about specific medical procedures? Unless the politician is also an OB/GYN, don't want to hear it. Just assign a Medicare number to it, like any other procedure, and move on.