r/worldnews • u/londonsuedehead • 10h ago

Russia/Ukraine Zelensky says he feels betrayed over Trump-Russia deal

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-says-he-feels-betrayed-over-trump-russia-deal/
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u/boersc 9h ago

Not stupid, ruthless. He wants the oil prices down, but can't via Iran, so he wants to give free reign to Russia. He doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about midterms.

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u/ness_monster 8h ago

It is stupid. The whole Iran conflict is stupid and there's no way to undo it. There's no winning it either without a major resource investment. Buying essentially less than a days worth of diesel from Russia, whom is importing it from Iran is beyond stupid. Nothing he does is ruthless or calculating, its dumb.

Oil prices are not coming down by midterms regardless of what he does. Even if the Iran conflict was resolved tomorrow, oil companies still have to pay back the government via resuppling the strategic oil reserves. So, prices will remain high.

If he cared at all about any elections he wouldn't have done 90% of the things he has. Its one fuck up after another followed by quagmires of bullshit.

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u/mOdQuArK 8h ago

there's no way to undo it.

Well, not without groveling to Iran & admitting to fault in starting the conflict in the first place, which are both things that Trump will never, ever do no matter what.

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u/ness_monster 8h ago

Unfortunately even if trumps entire government was replaced with dems(which i realize is more or less impossible), that still wouldn't happen.

And if it did, it likely means Iran's control of hormuz will be solidified and that will also disrupt markets.

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u/mOdQuArK 8h ago

Iran has expressed a willingness to negotiate with anyone who isn't Trump or a Trump lackey. They might end up with the power to charge tolls for everyone passing through the Strait, but that would still increase the supply of oil far more at less cost than what is barely dribbling through right now. That won't happen as long as Trump is in charge of course.

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u/Ninja_Tortoise_ 6h ago

But we have all that Venezuelan oil! Right?!? Right.... /S

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u/I_only_post_here 4h ago

And Greenland reserves right around the corner! Just stick with us folks, all our troubles are gonna be over in a matter of minutes!

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u/JyveAFK 1h ago

He gets the bots amplifying that the reason the fuel prices are so high is because of Ukraine, and he's the only one that can blah blah blah.
It'll work on a sizeable % of idiots.

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u/ness_monster 36m ago

If only those same people googled how much oil or diesel Russia exports.

Its not nothing, but is very little comparatively.

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u/FILTHBOT4000 7h ago

No, it's far more stupidity than ruthlessness.

AFAIK, Russia is nearly a net importer of diesel/oil. Trump faceplanting while he attempts to suck Putin's weasel cock for gas money will only reduce the cost of diesel by like 10 cents. Russia doesn't have nearly enough of the stuff to move the needle meaningfully.

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u/snailpubes 4h ago

Not even close to 10c. Maybe 1.5c.

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u/Kichigai 7h ago

He doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about midterms.

Ding ding ding. But I think it's less about actually driving down oil prices (I think he knows Russia can't offset the losses in Hormuz), and more about shifting the blame for high prices to Ukraine from the war in Iran, which Americans blame on him, personally, and the Republican party for not trying to reign him in.

I think he believes we are honestly so stupid and gullible that we'll fall for it if he says it. Remember how many other times he tried to deny things we could see with our own damn eyes? Like the weather map with the Sharpie marks on it?

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u/Hidesuru 3h ago

Well remember... The theater isn't for us. We are never gonna buy anything he says. It's for his base, and they'll believe anything he says.

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u/stripedvitamin 6h ago edited 4h ago

Not ruthless, totally and completely compromised. This war is happening because Netanyahu and Putin own that orange bitch boy. Trump buying diesel from Russia isn't just against the law passed in 2022, it's only because he is totally compromised. A puppet. There's good reason Trump has never in his miserable existence said a bad word about Putin. He has even gone so far as to say he trusts Putin more than American intelligence. If that isn't him being Putins bitch then he is the dumbest motherfucker in world history.

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u/SnarkMasterRay 7h ago

Not stupid, ruthless.

Both can be true.

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u/PrimozDelux 7h ago

Ruthless and stupid. He's a hyper-moron, there's no way around it

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 6h ago

He wants the oil prices down,

No he doesn't. Trump deliberately drove oil prices up to enrich both oil barons in Texas AND his boss Putin.

And not only has Trump been continuing attacks on Iran to keep prices up, but now he is planning to use American taxpayer money/debt to buy billions in Russian oil at the inflated prices he himself created, to give Putin money he needs to fund his continued murder of Ukrainians.

Not stupid, ruthless.

This is exactly the case. Trump and his Epstein-Class patrons in Texas are deliberately promoting Russia's ongoing campaign of murder while raking in excess profits and they want to keep this going just as long as they can.

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u/battousai611 6h ago

It won’t even do anything to lower prices. It was just an excuse to illegally give money to Russia. Basically, following marching orders from the boss.

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u/robodrew 6h ago

Not stupid, ruthless. He wants the oil prices down, but can't via Iran, so he wants to give free reign to Russia. He doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about midterms.

Well then he's still stupid because what he is doing will NOT bring down oil prices.

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u/MrBigglesssworth 6h ago

Then lets make the midterms HURT for republicans and maga.

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u/Staticn0ise 6h ago

The only time trump is ruthless is when he's SAing underage girls. Otherwise he is stupid.

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u/Enough-Bunch505 5h ago

It is iranian oil. Russian refineries have been destroyed or damaged and they cant refine enough oil for themselves. Iranian trucks have been seen in Russia.

The US is literally funding iran's war against the US. The US is putting its own national sovereignty and national security in jeopardy, trump is putting isreal's national security in jeopardy.

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u/ShadowTacoTuesday 5h ago edited 5h ago

It’s not a significant amount of diesel even if Putin keeps his promises. But it’s money for Russia, and what happens now when Ukraine wants to keep destroying it? Answer is Ukraine already stopped after U.S. pressure from this and threats to stop sharing intel.

Article:
“Even as Kyiv backed the truce and said it had paused its strikes against Russian refineries since the announcement, Moscow has continued attacking the Ukrainian power grid, meeting no criticism from Trump.”

Article also mentions how Musk throttled Starlink after Ukraine took out Russian data centers. Understandable I suppose since that’s so much of Twitter.

Pure betrayal.

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u/sobanz 4h ago edited 3h ago

Hes not ruthless, hes stupid. hes been trying to play the wildcard unpredictable "whats he gonna do shtick" too long, everyones calling his bluff on it now. we COULD fuck up Iran, but we're not going to.

Israel is an example of how being predictable is even scarier than being unpredictable. You fuck with them and you could build a bunker made of kids and they will strike their target through it.

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u/cottonmouthcandy 4h ago

This. It's also why he won't give testimony in his BBC lawsuit "until next year". Discovery can uncover a lot of BS.

The other networks never should've paid him off.

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u/Soccermom233 3h ago

trump cares  that he made a deal. that's it.

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u/Pizzledrip 2h ago

Agreed all he cares about is himself; what can you expect from a megalomaniac who’s been in the pockets of Russia since the late 80’s