r/worldnews • u/Miserable_Phase_2519 • 14h ago
Russia/Ukraine French Far-Right Leader Marine Le Pen Threatens to Cut Support for Ukraine if Elected
https://united24media.com/world/french-far-right-leader-marine-le-pen-threatens-to-cut-support-for-ukraine-if-elected-234369.6k
u/brixton_massive 14h ago edited 12h ago
Love how these hard right frauds always claim the 'civilisational collapse of Europe' and that 'Europe is being invaded', but when a European country is literally being invaded for wanting to grow closer ties to European values of democracy and liberalism, they suddenly go missing.
It's all just a massive Putin psy ops isn't it?
Traitors.
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u/Special-Reaction2029 14h ago
Not just Putin, there is a global network of these creeps; Netanyahu ,Orban, LePen, Farage, Musk, Thiel, Trump, Bannon, Bolsonaro, Millei, AfD/BSW in Germany, the assholes in El Salvador and Colombia. Then you have the secondary cronies like Delcy Rodriquez who are completely ideologically different but are getting filthy rich from the grift and the AI/crypto/social media tech assholes who have their own international slave plantations, kept going by colluding with governments to prevent regulation.
Liberal democracies are simply not capable of dealing with this threat. Their legal systems are too slow and too beholden to monied interests and citizens are too soft/complacent and expect someone else to deal with it.
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u/triscuitsrule 13h ago
In retrospect it seems like instead of the West winning the Cold War, they mistook halftime for the game ending.
Authoritarianism, fascism, lite totalitarianism is gaining significant traction. This round, instead of bringing countries behind the iron curtain of the USSR, the authoritarian axis has taken a page from the US’ playbook and are installing friendly regimes in countries the world over.
Further, instead of doing it under the false guise of communism or socialism, the are taking a page from the Nazis and doing it under the false guise of nationalism. The rub being that if it’s an internationally like-minded cohort, then it’s not really nationalism, now is it?
And what’s the west retort in this ideological fight? Maintaining the status quo- which excites no one. More failed neoliberalism, more inequitable capitalism, more hypocritical justice systems and foreign policy.
It feels like the West is fielding half a defense and no offense and getting their ideological asses whooped by the axis of authoritarianism.
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u/Special-Reaction2029 13h ago
There are many smart people in power in the west, the problem is that they are entirely power/money hungry and are process/systems focused or entirely in it for themselves. So on the one hand, it takes forever for anything to happen which may benefit wider populations that are barely enfranchised, and even when it does, it is watered down. But things happen very quickly when it can make certain people richer or more powerful. When the regular person speaks up and asks for changes to end things actively making their life worse, the process-heads shout them down as reactionaries, and those with money and power support this behaviour because it keeps them in action.
Not sure where this goes but I don't see it ending well for democracies unless they can become more nimble at dealing with threats and those greedy for money and power.
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u/Shogouki 5h ago
Humanity simply needs limits on how much wealth and power an individual can accrue. Unless nations realize that and make drastic changes I fear we're in for a very bad time...
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u/JerryMau5 12h ago
The amount of people who are completely unaware of the ideological threat of Russia and China is fucking insane. They have no idea about WW2, the Cold War, and the current barrage of cyber attacks and psyops.
These countries are actively trying to claw their way back to power and the amount of people who want to send our entire car industry’s revenue to China for their cheap, government-subsidized electric cars is bewildering.
Now we have the clown in chief buying Iranian diesel from Russia and funding our allies enemies and our own enemy.
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u/These-Prune-1529 11h ago
I think more and more people are buying Chinese electric cars because American cars are wildly overpriced.
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u/ShinyHappyREM 9h ago
American cars are wildly overpriced
Overpriced, oversized, overweight, not efficient enough.
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u/Kryptosis 4h ago
Not to mention barebones. A 30k Chinese car has heated/vented/massaging leather seats, a heads up display on the windshield and paddle shifters. Look at the inside of a Tesla at 3x the cost….
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u/BUBBISBAR 12h ago
I mean their electric cars are miles better than our own govt funded electric cars lol. You say this as if we don't subsidize and find are own industry's. Their just open about it. We hide it behind bullshit like "freedom" and free market. At the levels your talking about we don't have any more "freedom" or "free market" than China.
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u/Environmental-Rub933 6h ago
Subsidizing is different than literally being required to sell them for a fraction of what they cost to make
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u/Vitrebreaker 11h ago
I highly disagree. At least here, in France, we have a huge amount of education toward remembering what happened during the 2 world wars, as well as a culture of it. Every town (and we have 36 000 of them) has a list of the people dying during the war and annual events to remember.
We have been fully aware of totalitarism for decades, then internet happened. At some point, most of the informations exchanged between people was done on what, 5 different sites ? Guess who is handling those, and which politics are they pushing toward ?
We did not let it go. A huge amount of people worked hard for decades so that we remember. But somehow, we created a way to forget everything and only think about the last few paragraphs. Which were written by people paid to make us to think their way.
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u/porscheblack 11h ago
It was never the US versus the USSR, it was oligarchs against the people. And it looks like the oligarchs are winning, first in the USSR, now in the US.
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u/AshundertheOlivetree 11h ago
The west won a few rounds and then thought they could walk away before the game was over.
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u/FauxReal 11h ago
In retrospect it seems like instead of the West winning the Cold War, they mistook halftime for the game ending.
This is assuming the west's motivations during the cold war were benevolent. I would say that colonialism in general, South American "banana republics," installing the Shah of Iran and the Iran-Contra Affair along with everything it was connected to casts doubt that some form of egalatarian democratic enlightenment was the goal.
I guess I could just sum that last paragraph up to "geopolitics were not so benevolent in practice because greed motivates people to rise to the top."
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u/GoatTime6188 12h ago
It's conservatives. Conservative thought. Conservative behavior. It's literally always this garbage. They need to be relegated to the annals of history with GOOD EDUCATION
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u/lesser_panjandrum 7h ago
Conservatives hate education because educated people tend to be less conservative.
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u/chulengoSalvaje14 12h ago
Would like to add, that Costa Rica, the most pura vida country, is now Chavista and Chavismo is also aligned with Trump and all of those motherfuckers. Fuck Chavez.
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u/hammerofhope 14h ago
No no, this time is different because the invaders are also white, hard right authoritarians. That means it's good and justified. /s
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u/InconspicuousRadish 13h ago
Don't look for logic and idological or political consistency here.
The only things that are consistent here are that these people are driven by a hunger for power, while being supported by Russia.
You can apply that to all right wing movements, from Trump to the AfD, from Nigel Farage to Le Pen, Orbán or Vucic. It's the same shit, with the same common threads.
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u/SuccotashAsleep6459 13h ago
Yeah, I also love how one of Putin’s main justification for invasion is “fighting Nazis” in Ukraine, while they act like Nazis in war, and prop up all kinds of Nazis all over Europe.
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u/TLKv3 13h ago
Anyone on the far right are just hypocritical gaslighters.
"WE NEED TO END IMMIGRATION!"
Proceeds to allow large amounts of only rich, white immigrants in
"DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL!"
Proceeds to incentivize and fund groups that execute civilians in streets
"WE CANNOT ALLOW CHINA TO BEAT US!"
Proceeds to fuck supply chains and gas prices so their own country can't supply anything to counter China's production
"I AM NOT A PUTIN-RUSSIAN PUPPET!"
Proceeds to do everything they can to stop aiding Ukraine from being invaded by Russia and allows Putin to bully whoever he wants
All of them. They are all Russian funded traitors to their individual countries. Everyone should be rioting and yanking these fucks out of their offices and tossing them into prisons globally. You want democracy? Then rip the fucking bandaid off and imprison these treasonous fucks everywhere being blatantly funded by them. That and seize every asset that right wing techbro oligarchs own too. Musk, Zuck, Gates, etc. should all be imprisoned too.
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u/Lucar_Bane 13h ago
For me the worst is free speech, Small gouvernement and economic responsibility. They are the absolute worst for all of this.
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u/sjbennett85 9h ago
Free speech: freedom to hate without being held accountable
Small government: small enough to fit into the pockets of everyone they dislike in order to oppress those who go stand in their way, small enough to weasel out of any accountability
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responsibilityfreedom: the freedom to flip economic switches to maximize the person wealth of those who run the controls and exert pains to those they wish to oppress24
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u/Python_Feet 14h ago
You leftout the part where most right wingers want strong russian men of traditional orthodox christian values to grab them from behind and whisper "Хочешь чтобы я тебе в жопку засадил, альтушный фембойчик?"
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u/BillieBlanus 13h ago
Yeah, but follow the money. That’s what it boils down to. Obscene billions of dollars in oil and gas, simple as that. You’re right though. They’re frauds. Every time. Is it even possible to be far right without selling out to big oil and gas? Why are they like this?
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u/Shopworn_Soul 13h ago
This is largely because the far right are the literal source of civilizational collapse and potential invasion.
If the far right in any country is claiming something is a problem, it's because they're causing it.
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u/TheLordHatesACoward 13h ago
It's how doomsday death cults work. When doomsday doesn't come of its own accord, they bring it.
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u/ActualTymell 13h ago
It's the way with pretty much all conservatives: screech and point to "outsiders" as threats while they themselves are the ones actually guilty of everything they accuse their opponents of.
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u/Curious-Effort984 14h ago
it seems like Europe didn't learn from WW2 we never built a strong domestic democracy we just relied on foreign favourable situation but now that US and Russia are actively on the same page we're really being exposed at this moment in time just how weak many European countries are politically
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u/SpareBee3442 13h ago
You might be forgetting that quite a number of European countries were trapped in the Soviet block after WW2. There was not the opportunity to engage with them as there exists now. You do have a point though that European political cohesion should be much stronger than it is. Sadly, its easy to derail with things like Brexit, funding of far-right parties (now jointly funded by Russia AND the Trump administration - who would have believed that 10 years ago). Mass immigration has given the enemies of liberal democracies a tool to chisel away at cohesion.
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u/John-AtWork 7h ago
Same thing with Jill Stein on the left. They are all just Putin's disruption machine.
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u/Ok-Garlic4249 12h ago
It's like this, the US wants to weaken Europe and get some people rich in the short term. Europe should defend against it, but that is hard, costs money and needs time. People are stupid and don't want hars things in the short term, so politicians like this use this, advocate for the same things the big powers like US, Russia and China want. They get no pushback, het actually supported, make themselves rich as well, and the people suffer, because they are too dumb to realize what is coming in the future. Instead of bracing for a harsher future where the US is not our good friend anymore, we try to avoid any trouble and get into even bigger trouble because of it. What I just don't get is why all of this. Can't be only Trumps stupidity. Maybe the northern routes, maybe AI future, whatever, I don't get it.
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u/Brother_Clovis 13h ago
It's amazing how in tune all the right wing govts around the world are with Russia. Boot licking scum, along with everyone that votes for them. Dragging the whole world back.
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u/Cloudyflowersnap 13h ago
That would be because they're all working together...
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u/DrAstralis 11h ago
Literally the only way for this many self centered narcists to all be on the same page for this long. Well that and I'd put money on 99% of them being in the trump-Epstein files for one reason or another so they all have dirt on each other.
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u/jingjang1 13h ago
I would not be surpised if many of these far right people where deployed sleeper agents that timed before the full scale invasion.
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u/ParameciaAntic 12h ago
And ironic since Russia claimed it had to invade Ukraine because of "Nazis".
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u/Joice_Craglarg 13h ago edited 13h ago
I don't understand how Russia can be so weak economically and militarily but also be so effective at infiltrating more powerful countries.
They do a lot of things poorly, but that sure ain't one.
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u/Zi0nized 13h ago edited 13h ago
Democracies are inherently weaker to defend against propaganda because ideas of any kind are more free to flow. It's both a good and a bad concept but in our time it's been pushed close to the limit negatively.
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u/Khaldara 13h ago
Kneecapping education and critical thinking while flooding people with this disingenuous garbage is a surefire way to increase the success rate of propaganda as well. That’s not even touching the massive conglomerates like Fox that spent weeks creaming their underoos over a shirtless photo of Putin
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u/kitten-n-blue 13h ago
Yep, subversion of democracy like this works because we’re also deliberately cutting funding for education and the arts, which in turn gives us a population that is media illiterate and easily manipulated.
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u/sundeigh 12h ago
Not to mention the convenience that this time presents for propaganda. AI, phone addiction, social media algorithms
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u/StateOfAmerica 12h ago
The KGB defect said all this was ongoing back in the 80's or whatever... Yuri something.
Paraphrasing "When you let minorities talk for majorities..." Pair that with their use of social media warfare. They're a founding member of most us vs them rethorics you come across. It's so simple online because you can pretend you're 2 million people while in reality only a few crazees are in on it. But online you can make a whole lot of noise this way.
An example of this is anything trans, which is also the go-to division of the sitting US govt. Tiny percentage of the population. Huge footprint, and the online presence is massive and it's been a perfect storm. Then think about everything that's not so black and white.
I've noticed my instagram algorithm practically switches between extremely positive or negative - and then lands somewhere these people meet and the comment sections are 50/50 hate or love it. Most people should know damn well at this point that a big chunk of those comments aren't real people at all. Blatantly obvious if you're early. Note: I never like or comment on anything, and regularly "wipe" my algorithm it almost always ends up in some divicive camp.
There's a great documentary about russias propaganda that I for the life of me can't remember the name of. Like 1.5 - 2 hours long and brittish narration.
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u/mjb2012 8h ago edited 7h ago
Just to add to that, I’ve been noticing that posting a nuanced, reasonable, or tolerant take on anything is a great way to attract a flurry of downvotes and flippant dismissals, often after getting some initial upvotes. It’s as if someone really doesn’t want any kind of respectful dialogue gaining traction. The only acceptable points of view are opposite extremes.
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u/Randalf_the_Black 11h ago
The biggest problem with democracies is that the dumbest motherfuckers you can imagine have the same voting rights as anyone else.
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u/EconomicRegret2 9h ago
It wouldn't have been much of a problem if family, society, education and media structures were healthy. And people didn't segregate geographically based on intelligence/education.
Instead, families and society are atomized ("rugged individualism"), inequality is extremely excessive, educational standards are declining, and big parts of the news industry is actively trying to manipulate and deceive people, social media is even worse. Finally, the West is segregated by intelligence/education levels (i.e. intelligent/educated people tend to flock to the same geographical areas, leaving behind the "less" intelligent/educated ones with fewer intellectual leadership/guidance).
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u/GodisanAtheistOG 12h ago
Doesn't help that modern tools to spread information are actually better at spreading misinformation either.
Corporate control of the "public square" and bot farms are doing untold damage to Western liberal democracies.
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u/Key-Demand-2569 12h ago
For all our optimism about free and unfettered access to information when the internet was growing rapidly, not enough people (very understandably) really accounted for the hard limit to people’s ability to process information.
Even if everyone was very literate and cared a lot about honesty and accuracy in the things they read or stuff they used to form opinions about things beyond their daily life (which absolutely isn’t the case)… it’s just too much noise.
That alone is a very effective tool for the right people.
How big of a chunk can you carve out of the people who care if at some point they’re just exhausted of trying to keep up with political and social issues?
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u/lego_joker 8h ago
That sounds depressingly reminiscent of a maxim I’ve been spinning around in my head lately.
“Truth is whatever layer you personally decide isn’t worth the effort of digging deeper.”
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u/nisser512 13h ago
You can pay a useful idiot a few million and literally have an insane ROI. That’s how you get trumps, le pens and orbans doing what they are doing.
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u/Many_Psychology_3336 13h ago
Supposedly they spend roughly a billion dollars a year on misinformation campaigns. Honestly that seems cheap given how effective it seems to be.
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u/GoldenRamoth 13h ago
They're like the Andrew Tate of countries - convincing people that feel hopeless that they only have to somehow dig deeper and blame others to be amazing.
They can't accomplish anything in real life, but they sure can convince the downtrodden and drepressed that they're somehow a 10/10 role model
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u/Sans-valeur 12h ago
I mean it actually makes so much sense if you just think that the Cold War never ended, they just elected a KGB agent who was like sure guys it’s over 😉
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u/NationalisticMemes 12h ago
Watch closely: the world's most resource-rich country has the poorest population on the continent. Where do you think the money went?
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u/NeverFreeToPlayKarch 13h ago
You see similar things with individual people. They're terrible to be around. Barely have a career to speak of but they still manage to have a social life and don't wind up on the street or otherwise impoverished
They're cockroaches. Russia is the same, but it's an entire country.
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u/basteilubbe 13h ago
It's actually super cheap and cost-effective. Plus they have decades of experience.
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u/ZhaozhouCongshen 14h ago
Doesn't this totally negate Russia's claim that they invaded Ukraine because they were fascists? When a fascist says she won't support them.
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u/Artex301 14h ago
You can't "gotcha" fascists. They'll spew bullshit after contradicting bullshit.
Anyone who believes Russia's pathetic excuse for invading Ukraine is either living under a rock or utterly delusional.
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u/SadFeed63 13h ago
I'd even wage that a lot of attempts to gotcha them (which usually involve trying to hold them to their contradictions) end up helping them, unfortunately.
To give a big ticket example, let's go with Trump saying he's gonna be the no wars president. Obviously that was greatly aided by the media being super credulous to his clear lies, but I think there was a double whammy there in the way people try to gotcha his hypocrisy. What I mean is, if he does something contradictory and we, people trying to stand against him, all go "what happened to the peace president?!" "Isn't this guy the no wars president?" etc, we are, I fear to the idiots who don't really pay attention, just furthering this idea that him saying he was supposed to be the peace president actually meant something. It didn't. The thing that happened to the supposed peace president is that it was a lie that never was, and I think some amount of snark needs to be sacrificed to make that crystal clear.
I know, you know, those of us who don't have mush for brains know that "what about the peace president?! What happened?" is supposed to be exposing his hypocrisy, but we're not the ones who need to read it. There's folks that sadly don't get it, and I think it can read to those folks as if everyone is acting like there was a point where he really and truly meant it. Then they're gonna believe it was a possibility. If they believe it's a possibility, then they can unfortunately believe MAGA loons telling them "those libs are lying, he didn't mean it that way, he really is the peace president" or whatever horseshit.
As you say, no point in trying to gotcha them or be clever about it, or show off biting wit. Just call it clear bullshit and give nothing at all to the idea that they mean those more positive words they're trying to use to trick folks.
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u/jimbarino 12h ago
Fascism has absolutely no commitment to consistent reality. Doublethink is 100% the right term. They freely and truly believe that Trump is a president of peace and also that he needed to invade Iran because doing so gives them power and justification. The fact that this is an inconsistent ideology has no bearing whatsoever.
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u/jimbarino 12h ago
You can't "gotcha" fascists.
People need to get this through their heads. The appeal of fascism is that you get to lie and do whatever you want. It's an exercise in the most base form of power; in forcing others to submit to your whim. Rather than being an effective counter-argument, they get off on people crying about the hypocrisy.
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u/Elanthius 13h ago
Russians think "fascist" just means "someone who hates Russia" as that is their main experience with fascism during WWII. Which is why the Russian attack on Ukraine is described by them as anti-fascist.
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u/dsmith422 13h ago
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
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u/Atosl 13h ago
Someone explain why far right people love russia?
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u/namitynamenamey 11h ago
Three main reasons:
1) They love isolationism on top of nationalism, so anything that stops helping a country in need is good in their books. Russia is asking everyone to stop helping a country in need (ukraine), and they think it good.
2) They respect russia as an example of a country that displays the right kind of authority and moral values, who is brutal to their enemies and firm with their citizens, while large and powerful. They want that.
3) Money. They get money from these people.
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u/ChiefsHat 10h ago
Russia’s proven itself to be a paper tiger time and again. How can it be considered powerful?
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u/letskeepthiscivil 10h ago
Some people measure power by how much misery and suffering you can cause to others.
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u/GreasyToken 8h ago
Lmao that's anti power.
Nietzsche explains it well.
Fear is the weakest form of power and love is the greatest.
People who fear you might obey but they will always be looking for a way to fuck you over or stab you in the back.
People who love you? Ffs you don't even have to tell them to do anything, they'll be eager to help you without you even needing to ask.
Don't know why CHUDs are so obsessed with the weakest form of power. I guess because lots of them are weak at their core.
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u/trilobyte-dev 10h ago
My thought as well. As far as I can tell if Russia lost their nuclear arsenal they would be considered a second-rate military power.
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u/WileyPotato 8h ago
Their Supreme Leader rode bare chested on horseback that one time, and now republicans can't sleep at night without fantasies of Putin penetrating U.S.
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u/AggravatingRevenue61 8h ago edited 8h ago
I thought Russia would take Ukraine in weeks if i am honest, but i was wrong.
clearly they are a paper tiger military and the new drone technology changes everything.
all they have is their nukes and a large but ineffective army.
because of their nukes we have to take them serious.
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u/GreasyToken 8h ago
Had a large army.
They've experienced 1.5 million casualties...that's fucking insane...
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u/Competitive-Dot-3333 12h ago
Cause of the bribes they get
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u/Tall-Teacher3561 12h ago
lol probably the most accurate comment is yours here, Russia has history of bribing and blackmailing politicians, especially with embarrassing sex tapes, rumor is FSB has treasure trove of exposing videos, and photos on many western and Asian politicians, they have hackers that hack into these politicians private accounts, trump being the most prominent one, his trips to Soviet Union in 1980s and early 1990s is very shady.
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u/CookWho 12h ago
Cus Russia funds all the extreme rightwing parties to destabilise EU/Europe
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u/AKrigare 13h ago
Putin’s ability to maintain power and control is admirable and enviable to them.
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u/Blackwolf245 12h ago edited 11h ago
Some stupid far-right voters see Russia as some sort of "Anti-woke safe haven" and see Putin as a safeguard of conservative values.
But most righ wing voters don't care. Right wing politicians are however on Putin's payroll, and want to mimic Putin's regim.
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u/FaunusGamer 12h ago
I think their main goal is to just dismantle the EU and probably Nato
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u/Blackwolf245 11h ago edited 11h ago
Conspiracy time: Orban visited Putin just 2 weeks before the Russian invasion in 2022. I bet that Le Pen, Orban and all the right wing party leaders in Europe were told by Putin that he is going to invade Europe. All these airspace violations and report from the eastern countries fall in line with this. All these pro russian politicians were convinced, that if they help dismantle the eu and nato, they get to be the leaders of their respective countries, acting as Putin's local governors, and they also think that Europe can't stand against a Russian invasion and are afraid. Trump either knows and is onboard, or he just too fucking dumb and being played, but either way, Trump doesn't give a fuck about Europe, or any of their own allies.
Edit: oh, and Also Orbán Balázs, Orbán Viktor's advisor said in an interview that Hungary wouldn't fight a Russian invasion (this was in 2024 when Orbán was still in power)
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u/jardin92 12h ago
Because russia is funding them all, supporting them all, and treasounously aiding them all. They figured out a new, modern, digital method of war wherein they dont have to win militarily, where they are weaker, but through election interference and funding little proxy parties in adverse countries. It’s treason and when it all comes to light, i think it’ll be earth shattering. I also believe it is heavily tied to the Epstein files
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u/mxmbulat 13h ago
Money and ignorance. Money for the party and ignorance from the masses that believe in that party.
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u/986754321 12h ago
They're almost like how they want their countries to be, and they also disrupt the status quo which is beneficial for people who want to overthrow the entire system
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u/Caelixian 14h ago
The world turning on Ukraine is a fucking disgrace that needs to be met with utter disgust and contempt from the people of this planet.
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u/Cobra8472 12h ago
Disgrace is not strong enough of a word, alas I don't think think one exists. I'm absolutely heartbroken by the mask-off moment supposedly enlightened human culture and civilization is having.
No amount of social media propaganda is enough for anyone to be pro Russian; it's an excuse as hollow as Nazis burning Jews because of something they read in the newspaper and should be treated similarly.
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u/Pabstincanada 11h ago edited 10h ago
You are unfortunately spot on, as Marine Le Pen's political party was founded by people who actively supported the extermination of Jewish people. Yes, litteral Nazis. Litteral Nazis are leading the polls in France. These are dark times.
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u/BaronGreywatch 14h ago
That isn't a threat, it's an election 'promise'. Indicating she believes her voter base does not support funding Ukraine.
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u/navetzz 13h ago
Honestly. The war in Ukraine has been going on for so long that it's not brought up very often by medias and it's not so much in the mind of people. RN is all about France first and national priority. We've been hearing for 3 years that we need to save 30B and now 60B a year to stay afloat.
So... she's probably right (unusual for her) thinking that her voter base does not support funding Ukraine. Or at the very least they don't care enough to scare them off.
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u/El-Yal 13h ago
Like AfD in Germany, like Reform in Uk
Must be a total coincedence
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u/YourCuntIsABot 10h ago
first thing the AfD wanted to do after the elections in Sachsen-Anhalt? Cut nationwide support to Ukraine (and no, that's not how it works)
yup, that's surely the biggest problem Germany has. THE first thing that has to be solved. definitely
fuck these Volksverräter
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u/Chrono_Convoy 14h ago
First the US
And now the EU
This Weasel Timeline continues to be a nightmare
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u/DeckardReplicant_ 14h ago
This not EU, this is a far right party funded by Russia that just released a statement about what they would do if they were to be elected
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u/GaryLifts 14h ago
Shes leading in the polls though.
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u/coconutpiecrust 13h ago
Huh. So they finally are getting what they want, huh? One thing you gotta give to fascists is that they never waver or give up. It takes them decades of dedicated work and money to get the awful, putrid, repulsive things that they want, but they get them nonetheless.
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u/JR21K20 14h ago
Doesn’t Le Pen have to form a coalition though? If she’s the largest party and the others don’t want to work with her she won’t get to form a government
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u/No_Team_6326 13h ago
No, France has a different system than most of Europe. They elect their president through direct voting over two rounds where the winning candidate has to win over 50% in the second round. She's leading in the polls to be ahead after the first round, and also leading to win the second round. This would make her President, and able to decide all matters of foreign policy, which is under the total authority of the President.
Then there are parliamentary elections that are completely separate, where she may or may not have her party as the largest party to form a government. France has this system called 'cohabitation' where the government could be from a different party than the President, this would make it awfully difficult for her to rule, especially on domestic matters, but foreign policy remains under the President.
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u/Rannasha 13h ago
Parliamentary elections are separate from presidential elections, but they happen not long after each other. It is extremely common for the party that won the presidency to also win the parliamentary elections, but it's not a certainty.
The president is elected by a two round popular vote system, but members of the national assembly are elected in their constituency (also with a two round vote). Depending on the geographical distribution of voters for each party, it's possible that the winner of the presidency doesn't gain a majority in the national assembly even if everyone votes for the same party in both elections.
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u/U-47 14h ago
The nature of the elections in EU is not like amerika. It's not a binary choice it's a respresentative democracy. The only problem that can present itself is if two extreme choices will get into the run off. That would be problematic. But even then there are plenty of safeguards in the EU and France itself.
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u/Enjoyer_of_Cake 13h ago
Yeah, say that to all the folks claiming America is the enemy now.
Doesn't matter who funded it if it wins.
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u/Civil_Deer7337 14h ago
Isn't it a coincidence how all these anti-immigration right-wing populists in Europe all have ties to Russia and want to support them and stop supporting Ukraine?
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u/Jorwen 10h ago
It's acutally crazy how many of europes far right movements are straight up russian assets. Sad that so many people can't see that and still vote for them.
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u/CarolingianDruid 9h ago
It’s crazy how many people are willing to betray their country for money and power. The whole problem with society is that people have no morals or their morals are for sale to the highest bidder.
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u/GangOfNone 10h ago
Russia has been financing all the right wing parties across Europe for years, so it’s not surprising.
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u/bananaspapayas 9h ago
Exactly, the “patriots” are the biggest traitors. Would sell their country to get elected.
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u/macinit1138 9h ago
The far-right are a threat to the continuation of organized human life on the planet.
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u/Cendude308 6h ago
why do the far right always seem to want to stop supporting an invaded country doesnt make sense
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u/ImportantIron1492 4h ago
The far right have zero interest in helping others in need.
They don't care about other countries, they don't care about future generations, they don't care about the poor, they don't care about anyone but themselves
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u/CatalyticDragon 3h ago
The far right all support Putin because his bot farms help them and because he funnels money to them. They all support fossil fuels because they donate to them. They all support unregulated crypto because it's how they launder money.
The consequences of all this takes up zero space in their mind. They only think of two things; how much can I get, how much can I get away with.
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u/nvbtable 14h ago
It's interesting to see far-right parties gain steam across France, UK and Germany after Europeans shat on Americans for letting Trump come to power.
Guess that's the general trend amongst Western democracies.
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u/BiologyJ 13h ago
It's a world threat. What you're seeing is that wealth inequality and cronyism in foreign lands can impact your internal politics. This is a real threat to democracy globally.
Even when your country has no worries. If Russia becomes a oligarch run wasteland and consolidates money in 20 people's hands. Those 20 people then leave the wasteland and go off into the rest of the world, using their money to influence the politics there to support more of what made them money. The best bet is rooting out fascism and cronyism everywhere it's found.
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u/Corfiz74 13h ago
We are all victims of the same ultra right propaganda network funded by your friendly neighborhood billionairs and coordinated by Steve Bannon, Epstein & Co. and facilitated by Russian bots. We really need to create our own bot army to counter battle the rightwing propaganda.
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u/j0kerclash 14h ago
european right wing groups are allied with trump and are receiving political support and money to push the same rhetoric in these countries.
And that was before the US's foreign policy statement where they straight up admitted that they plan on taking steps to ensure europe's culture is closer aligned with their own.
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u/florodude 10h ago
Placing the origin of these right wing groups as America's fault sure is wild. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a part of it but why are we ignoring the clear and obvious attack on social media from the likes of Russia?
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u/Future-Raisin3781 13h ago
It's important to remember that people are influenced by what they see and hear, and we know how hard the bot farms are working to influence people on every social media platform.
It's not a coincidence that all these countries are trending toward fascistic politicians who are friendly to authoritarian regimes in other countries.
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u/oratree 13h ago
Europeans shat on Americans
That's the European you read and see. I noticed on forums and people who go out and are more social, they tend to shit on Trump.
The problem are the people who are more isolate and spend hours dooming on social media, just watching videos, reading comments and not participate actively in forums or any other social gathering.
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u/Russian_Turtles 8h ago
In my experience, Europeans are generally incapable of separating everyday life in the U.S. from politics, period. That's sorta the crux of the issue.
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u/MirrahPaladin 10h ago
If fascists take over European, I’m gonna be so tempted to tell them what they’ve been telling us for years:
“You get what you voted for.”
“You deserve this.”
“If you don’t like it, do something. No, I don’t care if you never voted for it and have been protesting, do something else then while I sit on my armchair and act smug.”
I won’t, but it’ll be so goddamn tempting.
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u/IDoomScrolledAgain 2h ago
"Why are you allowing this to happen?" "Why aren't you out in the streets literally taking your country back?!!"
I'll say it.
But I don't think, and I hope I'm right here, that the French will allow this to happen. They have to know that Russia won't stop with Ukraine.
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u/Basil-jones 12h ago
It’s not just “The West”.
Prime Minister Takaichi, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, President Bongbong isn’t quite far right but his dad was literally the dictator of the country he’s running so…yes plenty of “the East” is welcoming the far right with open arms. They’re all cooked of course, in India’s case quite literally.
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u/SuperSatanOverdrive 13h ago
it's a mental disease that is spreading.
also of course backed by MAGA-types and Russia disinformation bots.
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u/ChampionOk4044 8h ago
Tbf its just redditors that shat on Americans, even reddit Americans shat on Americans.
It goes to show that reddit doesn't = the beliefs of the general public,
Though I would argue that unlike France and Germany, the UK far right is losing to Labour and now even Conservatives at current pace won't get into Government.
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u/kdailyone 8h ago
Of course she does. The real hard right everywhere have much more in common with Putin than they do with Zelensky.
They aren't guided by morals or principles - they are driven by hatred, bigotry, division.
All validated by manipulation, distortion and projection. Perpetrating everything but always the victim. Just like Putin.
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u/theguywhocantdance 13h ago
Of course! We know every movement or party that tries to break Europe has Putin behind. Every one.
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u/Rincetron1 13h ago
Countries like Denmark give 10x more than France per capita. It's despicable that large countries that really could make a difference, can't even bother give the dimes they did. Lip service to European unity. But when it's time to do something just a little inconvenient, they bail.
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u/No-Cancel9886 8h ago
French here
It's well known that lepen is linked to Russia. Last presidential election, only Russian Bank accepted to give money for her campaign Among other examples
But as we are as dumb as USA , we will probably elect her.
In france , we usually do the same stupid choice USA do, with a 10 years delay. Go figure
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u/Big-Letter-4365 6h ago
Everyone is 10 years behind us, it's not just you. The difference is that most of them are in denial about it.
If Melenchon makes the 2nd round, I am worried that LePen will indeed be elected. That would be a disaster.
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u/Obvious_Lynx4999 13h ago
That’s really tough, thanks France; the nation that helped spread revolutionary equality and fraternity throughout Europe.
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u/Minerva89 10h ago
Call them what they are:
Far-Right Leader Russian asset Marine Le Pen
Reform Leader Russian asset and opportunist Nigel Farage
POTUS Russian asset Donald Trump
Russian asset Elon Musk
Alberta Premier Russian asset Danielle Smith
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u/HimForHer 1h ago
How about the world just collectively pulls funding for Israel and gives it to Ukraine instead.
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u/vinvega23 13h ago
All the far right movements in the west are creations of Russia. Fight against them with everything you have.
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u/50Centurion 11h ago
I don't live in France anymore, but if that fucking demon get elected, i'll get the first plane to participate in riots until she give up
For fuck sake we have been making fun of Americans for their president and some people are now about to vote for someone who is presenting themselves wearing a fucking prison bracelet
You can't make this shit up
Although, i assume that most article going like "Everyone is gonna vote Marine Lepen, we saw statistic" is just some russian bullshit propaganda
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u/UnfazedReality463 12h ago edited 12h ago
Russia, China, N. Korea and possibly others have been winning their information war against the US (and it worked spectacularly). They’re systematically taking down all allied powers and their democratic institutions.
The democratic nations need to really start rethinking their policies that are hurting their working class citizens. Voters are willingly giving up their freedoms and turning to wolves for help.
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u/littlefire_2004 10h ago
Electing her is like electing trump. Both are Russian assets bringing fascism to the world.
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u/trisul-108 6h ago
She is not threatening, she is promising ... huge difference. Threats are done as retribution for something. This is not retribution for anything, it is a promise to hurt Ukraine, the EU and France in order to reward Putin.
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u/Eastern-beast1337 3h ago
I mean everyone knows that her and her party have been long financed by the Kremlin, it's even proven multiple times now, so this is no surprise.
The only sad thing is that many right wing political parties have been taken over by the kremlin, such as in Hungary, Slovakia, Germany etc. The real right wing does not see an ally in russia.
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u/rayjaymor85 13h ago
Putin must ejaculate chocolate with the amount of world leaders getting on their knees to suck him off...
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u/RociBuldidi 12h ago
A weird thing to say, considering just over 70% of French citizens support Ukraines entrance into NATO, and 67% support France’s aid to Ukraine today.
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u/_Vinsanity_ 12h ago
Every leader trying to cut funding to Ukraine is so obviously in cahoots with Russia. These far right politicians and influencers are almost all exclusively funded by Russia in some capacity. It’s all documented for FFS. Brexit, the US elections and Donald the Asset Trump, this shit in Germany with the AfD and France’s LePen.
These groups want to destroy democracy and it is blatantly obvious
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u/FreedomsPower 3h ago
not surprised since the Kermlin has been giving aid and comfort to the European Far Right
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u/Philipsteven 13h ago
She is a Soviet, (Yes Soviet) tool for Putin. Bought and paid for. She is a shameless traitor to France and NATO.
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u/Santos_L_Halper_II 13h ago
It's amazing how far people around the world can get on an "I'm wrong and have terrible opinions about literally everything" platform.
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u/FastActinTenactin 6h ago
What does the far right actually have to offer anyone, at this point?
Oh, that was a rhetorical question. The answer is fucking nothing.
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u/TheIntellekt_ 13h ago
Hey secret service in EU do your fkn job and protect us from russian agents ty
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u/shapednoise 9h ago
Wild how the far right are so often acting in the best interests of a communist country.
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u/Smytus 9h ago
Russia ain't communist anymore. Were you thinking of China?
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u/Flashy_Walk2806 8h ago
China isn't communist anymore, were you think north Korea ?
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u/Mynameisbebopp 8h ago
Neither China or Russia are communist regimes.
Its just a distraction tactic
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u/bond0815 14h ago
Well thats what the Kremlin pays her for.