r/worldnews • • 16h ago

Russia/Ukraine Finland, Estonia urge EU to suspend tourist visas for Russians. Several EU member states, including Italy and France, continue to issue tourist visas to Russians.

https://tvpworld.com/95922978/finland-estonia-urge-eu-wide-ban-on-russian-tourist-visas
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u/Jhonnow 16h ago

I will never understand why this for the whole EU was not done 5 yrs ago !!

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u/differentshade 16h ago

EU is a collection of 27 sovereign states, with at any moment a couple of elections coming up.

It is a miracle it is performing as well as it is currently.

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u/Heizard 16h ago

This. You can't tell others what to do, but you can try to negotiate. We are not US.

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u/ineyy 15h ago

US has a weird setup. It's basically an "unbreakable union" for some reason, so if California wanted to secede they are traitors and could basically be killed. I'm not sure what's it all about.

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u/FlatwormAltruistic 1h ago

Yeah, but who would leave all that freedom (except freedom to leave)

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u/Draexian 6h ago

Well, yeah. We're an empire. We didn't get there by letting people be as they choose.

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u/VagueSomething 14h ago

The USA doesn't have any unanimous voice, just enough power to silence minority voices. The USA would be better off split into at least 2 nations.

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u/DummyDumDragon 14h ago

The USA doesn't have any unanimous voice

And yet it still seems that whatever ridiculous bullshit Trump spews out just goes...

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u/Sweet_Concept2211 14h ago

That might be how it seems - but that is not how it goes.

Trump wants you to believe that his bullshit is inevitable, but it ain't.

Roughly 50% of US states and territories have Democratic Governors and Attorneys General.

When Biden was in office and Democrats controlled the Senate, they appointed and approved an historic number of judges to the Federal bench. The Supreme Court is led by Republicans, but there are hundreds of Federal judges with lifetime appointments who are not on team Trump.

Opposition to Trump has filed a record number of multi-state lawsuits against his executive overreach, so far winning over 90% of adjudicated cases.

This is why, for example, the US military is not "policing" the streets of Chicago and LA - even though Trump tried to make that a thing.

Trump also cannot control elections. Since he took office in January 2025, opposition to Trump has won almost every important election.

If Democrats take back one or both houses of Congress, they can shut down the vast majority of Trump's bullshit for the remainder of his term.

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u/FlatwormAltruistic 1h ago

That's where you are wrong, he might be told that he cannot do something bf SCOTUS, but he still does. SCOTUS isn't some minority, it should be the one part of the government that actually upholds the law... But if POTUS just ignores what they restrict due to being unlawful, then it makes it look that he can just do whatever he wants and there isn't a way to stop this nonsense.

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u/VagueSomething 14h ago

Turns out stealing power and corrupting the safety nets ensures no one slows down your Fascism.

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u/NESTEA-69 9h ago

ok but Russia has a horrible reputation across ANY European country, nobody cares if Russians come visit or not ( except maybe Montenegro as 90% of their seaside is infested with Russians )

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u/Valtremors 10h ago

Mind you this is also making the suspension for EVERYONE.

Indidivual EU countries don't let Russians in, although some do, and they get in via that way.

And it would be unfair to say Russians move rampantly here. There has been only 7 attenmted crossings at Finnish border so...

My bet is that this could also block Russians who use Israel passport to move.

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u/Schlonzig 15h ago

Also: every Russian that counts has already bought an EU-passport from Cyprus or so a few years back.

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u/mbxdriver 12h ago

As it turns out, every Russian under EU sanctions simply received a new official Russian passport with a new name on it and is free to travel to Europe on vacation.

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u/sea_rex2 15h ago

you've seen why with Macron trying to get some of his buddy oligarch off the sanction list. Because some EU leaders are corrupt and depraved, nothing more, they don't really support Ukraine. And All these rich Russians on french riveras / resorts, they run the french economy apparently...

of course the moment Russia invaded Ukraine, VISA issuance should have stopped...

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u/JustBoofIt19 6h ago

Russians with super yartchs parked in a harbor is why

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u/No-Ear7988 16h ago

Money. We Americans underestimate how much EU depends on Russia (i.e. gas, luxury spending etc.) and how much EU lacks the independence to take a firm stand. For example, EU trying to go hardball on China but so much of their manufacturing went to China that they cannot hold up their economy and cut off China. While painful, US can compensate for cutting off China

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u/AdreNBestLeader 15h ago edited 9h ago

Many European countries showed you can go without Russian oil and gas just fine. Some countries just don’t care as they are under influence of Russian assets. Czechia imports barely any Russian oil, yet they have cheaper gasoline (or about the same) than Slovakia who imports majority of its oil from Russia still.

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u/Heizard 16h ago

US can't to, China has monopoly on rare earths and it takes US 15 years to build a single mine from start to finish. That's why new F-35's are coming out with no radar and cement ballast in their nose section.

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u/mufanek 15h ago

The F-35 part reasoning is objectively not true. I don't know why would you spread misinformation like this.

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u/No-Ear7988 15h ago

I never said it was easy or cheap. I said can. The US would have to bypass a lot of red tape and make some sacrificies but they can overcome if they choose to.

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u/Exnummis 16h ago

This will change after the first mass casualty event. Mark my words.

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u/apricot_bee67 16h ago edited 15h ago

We’re probably getting closer to that day by day. It might not even be intentional. The Russians are fucking with us while keeping a low profile, making our cheese rot in supermarket fridges and disrupting trains and critical infrastructure. For now. But one day, some gopnik from lower-Novosibirsk, after a few too many morning vodkas, will screw something up and cause a much bigger boom than intended.

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u/Keh_veli 15h ago

Unfortunately it's not just Russian citizens, it's also other immigrants and even native suckers who they hire to do the dirty work.

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u/Authentic_Lost 8h ago

absolutely. just like Ukranian gopniks around the world do. with gas pipes, etc.

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u/Authentic_Lost 8h ago

like it happens in London or other God-forbidden EU capital every time after some unknown crazy dude drives all the way into the crowd on a tourist route. it ALL changes. aha.

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u/Busy_slime 14h ago

I guess they buy so much Gucci and Vuitton... heck! I'm french and I support Finland and Estonia in this matter

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u/Old-Student4579 13h ago

Fuck Italy and France because of this. Ruzzia agents are everywhere.

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u/Ok-Currency1593 16h ago

Just close your border to Russians now no need to wait for EU. Anyone shows up with a Russian passport, tell them to kick rocks and deport their ass

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u/ZielonaKrowa 16h ago

Yeah no. If you land in France nobody is gonna stop you on your way all the way up to Finland. That’s how Schengen works. 

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u/zulugulasz 8h ago

Then we need to reintroduce border checks. No other way. Russian passport = entry rejected. Simple.

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u/shamantr 16h ago

So then they will need to introduce passport checks on intra-schengen flights and trains?

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u/Blue_almonds 15h ago

they already do it

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u/AschAschAsch 14h ago

They do, but they can't stop you from entering another country if your Schengen visa is ok.

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u/Competitive-Hair7499 13h ago

Not that difficult, you need to enter your personal information when you buy the ticket. It's not hard to find the people you need to find if you want to.

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u/420mem3r 15h ago

"Hit the road dude"

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u/Competitive_Job8531 14h ago

You do know about schengen right?

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u/romamik 15h ago

Disclaimer: I am Russian living in EU state.

I do not understand what this measure is trying to achieve. Secret agents will travel with fake documents, pose as citizens of other countries, etc. It will not stop them, or make it harder for them. If you want to punish Russians, then ones that are close to decision making, wealthy or have good connections, already have residence permits, citizenship etc in other countries, and one who apply for visas are middle class people who can afford to travel, but are nowhere near being elite. These are the most anti war, and you push them away.

Stop buying Russian fuel, sanction oligarchs (and not lift sanctions from Usmanov, which is just so mind blowing that it was done.)

Send weapons to Ukraine.

I feel that this is just populism.

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u/QuantumBalloonDance 9h ago

Think of it from the other perspective. Why let your adversary visit your country? Russia is engaged in a sabotage, subversion, cyber warfare, etc against the rest of Europe. It just doesn't make sense to allow them to visit and if they do sneak in using fake documents they can at least be arrested for that if caught.

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u/lowpixelcount 11h ago

The point is to create civil unrest, which hopefully pushes the people to fight the regime. That's always been the point of mass sanctions.

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u/romamik 10h ago

Even if this is the goal. Is visa ban a right measure for this? It is like very low percent of the population ever visited foreign countries, and most of these only went to Turkey or Egypt once. You do not create mass civil unrest by applying measures to low percentage of the population. Basically this measure targets very specific group: ones who travel abroad, specifically to Europe, which became much harder lately, so a lot of people gave up, and ones who still try to, should like travelling specifically to Europe very much, and on the other hand, ones that cannot afford to buy a passport or residence permit. That is a small group of people, who already hate Putin very much and if it were in their hands he would be in Hague already.

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u/thequehagan5 4h ago

This visa ban is one small piece of the puzzle, but should absolutely happen

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u/lump77777 12h ago

Because the best way to stop Putin and his aggression is to turn to whole of his citizenry against him. Internet should be wiped out, trade should be completely frozen, gas lines should be made even longer, and Russian citizens shouldn’t be able to vacation in France.

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u/romamik 11h ago

It is not the best way to stop Putin. It can theoretically work, but the chance is very low. Basically Putin don't gives a fuck about even his closest ally's opinions, and even more not about general public opionion. That's unfortunate but right now the state of things is that he can do what he wants and nobody can do anything about it.

The best way is to stop financing Putin. Not only stop buying Russian fuel, but prohibit to all other countries too, you have enough leverage to stop India from buying Russian fuel. Maybe less so about China, but press them too.

It is just banning tourist visas costs nothing (actually not, and this is why France and Spain do not want to) but real measures are costly and hard to implement, and also harder to explain to voters.

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u/-KFAD- 9h ago

Why not both and all actions? No reason to select just one.

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u/_WhatchaDoin_ 7h ago

It is currently already difficult to have family visits (especially with younger kids, 12-16 hours flights instead of 3 hours before). In some cases, we have to meet in some countries outside of Europe. Thinking that preventing these people visiting will somehow make them change the current geopolitical situation there is really silly.

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u/AschAschAsch 14h ago

And populism works. Look how many upvotes and clicks it generates.

Eventually, Russians will be banned, but it won't solve much. Some people will sleep better at night. Others will find another thing that needs to be urgently banned.

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u/Sure-Hold-1848 12h ago

Besides, there is alredy reports that russian intelligence switched to usage of local "agents" and criminal organizations. So, even if EU achieve 100% airtight ban (which won't happen), sabotage and diversions will continue.

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u/thequehagan5 4h ago

The ultimate goal is change in Russia.

If Russians get to freely travel and enjoy the benefits of western democracies, while their own country is a brutal dictatorship, they are probably less inclined to enact change in Russia. They can just holiday in France of Italy for a few weeks to enjoy life in a free democracy.

If Russians all stay in Russia, especially the ones who yearn for a better life, there is a greater likelyhood they will to change gathers steam.

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u/minai_ruo 14h ago

Populism as is. I think like 90% of oligarchy or people in power doesn't use travel visas, they are citizens of EU, Israel or US

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u/iskela45 11h ago edited 8h ago

Have more Russians be basically locked into Russia (or at least locked out of a huge chunk of the developed world) to hopefully let Russia turn into more of a pressure cooker. They can apply for tourist visas when their government stops committing a genocide. Almost nothing should be off the table for sanctioning any and all functioning of Russia until they get sent back to the 1990s/fuck off from occupied territories, return kidnapped children, and cough up reparations.

I'd also support banning tourist visas for Israelis for the same reason. (edit: for the dumdums out there, this part is obviously referring to Israel's genocide in Palestine)

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u/Authentic_Lost 8h ago

apart from all the clinical brainwashed nonsense which I will not comment on, I still can't pass on the last sentence... yeah, because it's Jews from Tel-Aviv ruin the world, right!!! 🤣🤣🤣

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u/Fresh-Coffee-8591 5h ago

Russian middle class on tourist visa can potentially overstay, and Mr Putin is known to come "save" people he deemed "Russian citizens" via act of war onto sovereign countries. In other words, EU does not want to mess with idiots. 

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u/tpe91roc 9h ago

Bear in mind that technically these countries would and should apply their discretion at the border. The fact that the visa is on the passport doesn’t mean they qualify for entry. If Finland doesn’t see the tourist as a true tourist and as a concern it can reject it at the border and should do so.

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u/FlatwormAltruistic 1h ago

If tourist comes through Europe to Finland, then there isn't much to block, it's not like there are border control from one EU country to another.

Blocking visas would lower amount of those who enter through 3rd country to the EU l.

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u/Bonamikengue 8h ago

TToo many countries still bootlicking to Putin - the US is part of them now, too.

It seems everyone is still keen on getting that oligarch money.

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u/PuzzleheadedPen4675 5h ago

I agree. Peeps better understand Putin and the Russian mafia/oligarchy have declared war on the West- and knowingly not saying it out loud.

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u/compuwiza1 19m ago

Russians aren't there on vacation. They are there for espionage and sabotage.

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u/Prestigious-Food-420 15h ago

Nobody is going to stop issuing the visas because they know how much the oligarchs spend when they come over.

Hotels, restaurants, luxury goods, even high-street brands, they all benefit. Not to mention the tax collected by the state from the businesses, and the sales tax.

ALL of the European economies are struggling at the moment. They can’t afford to not get that income.

Follow the money and you will get your answer.

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u/-KFAD- 9h ago

Finland did. And rich Russians were BY FAR the biggest tourist group in Finland. Finland’s tourism took a huge hit because of this. But there are more important things than money.

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u/Rincetron1 14h ago

Russia's portion of intra-European visits are 3% in 2025. 17 million visits to any European countries, 3 million to EU.

Numbers vary, obviously. But one oligarch doesn't nudge the needle in the big picture. Rough estimate is that they spent 3 billion € in Europe, in 2025.

What I'm getting at is that it's not nothing, but we shouldn't pretend whole economies sink or swim on Russian tourism. As European I wouldn't be opposed to recouping collectively the money lost on tourism,

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u/Competitive-Hair7499 13h ago

What I'm getting at is that it's not nothing

I mean it's pretty close. For example. In 2025 just the British tourists spent €23.65 billion in Spain alone.

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u/Webbanditten 14h ago

What are you talking about? Recent Eurostat shows the Eurozone economy grew 0.6% in the second quarter of 2026 making it the strongest quarterly growth since mid-2022. The premise that "nobody is going to stop issuing visas" because they need the money is also factually incorrect, as several countries already have. Finland, Poland, the Czech Republic, and the Baltic states halted or severely restricted tourist visas for Russian citizens following the 2022 invasion, prioritizing regional security and political stances over tourism revenue.

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u/Prestigious-Food-420 11h ago

Oh wow, 0.6%! And that number isn’t wildly inflated by the millions of government jobs created across the eurozone?

Europe as a whole is a service economy. Overgrown government, and consumer services accounting for the bulk of that. Hence tourism is vital for the countries.

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u/240697 5h ago

You think Europe can't survive without a couple billion spread across over 20 countries? That's basically nothing, that's barely even pocket change for a country.

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u/SuperSpaceSloth 14h ago

Oligarchs have EU passports anyway. Don't worry about them, they're gonna be fine.

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u/Competitive-Hair7499 13h ago

Seriously, it's a 2 trillion (if that) economy in the middle of a war. You can make the argument about natural resources, but surely, tourism from one rather average economy should not be a deciding factor at all.

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u/thehippieswereright 12h ago

this is likely true when talking about london and how it has become home to foreign oligarchs from some of the worst parts of the world. it is not true for the entirety of the EU

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u/Authentic_Lost 8h ago

London has been home to oligarchs since that word didn't even exist. Read history about how the BE was raised. Pirating over the colonies. Heh.

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u/thehippieswereright 8h ago

I'd love a link, if you have one. I lived in london in the late eighties, my impression was of a city with more room for ordinary people.

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u/zulugulasz 8h ago

Learn grammar before you write.

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u/Lopsided_Crab_5310 7h ago

This should have been done across the board a long time ago!

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u/No_Brother1599 4h ago

What good will suspending tourist visas do? If they are worried about spies or whatever, I'm sure there are enough ways to get into Europe without a tourist visa that suspending them won't have any effect other than making it more difficult for honest families to see each other.

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u/aluminaboeh 7h ago

Yea, great, let's keep more money in Russia + give free fuel to propaganda