r/worldnews • Ukrainska Pravda • 17h ago

Russia/Ukraine Zelenskyy confirms US threatened to cut intelligence-sharing over Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/10/14/8057937/
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u/USHEV2 16h ago

And they still cut it last night even though no refineries have been hit in 3 days. It's obviously not about refineries and the miniscule amount of diesel Russia can provide. Things are way more sinister.

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u/Mikebyrneyadigg 16h ago

It’s the data centers.

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u/FlukemanFrancis 15h ago

Ukraine should try and hit even more data centres

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u/ux3l 15h ago

Jep, so far Trump hasn't said anything against that

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u/WhatAmIATailor 15h ago

No but Musk cut Starlink support.

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u/thoughtsarefalse 15h ago

I wonder if trumps shitcoin is hosted on russian servers. It would not surprise me.

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u/Mikebyrneyadigg 13h ago

That is an excellent question.

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u/UnknownAverage 11h ago

Elon Musk is pissed and lashing out because he needs those bots and needs Russian support just like Trump does. Starlink cutoffs and this intel cutoff are likely related. You know Musk is pushing Trump behind the scenes on this.

Whenever Ukraine gains an advantage, Musk is over there tinkering with their access and interfering with their negotiations with allies, ready to sabotage them and give Putin a break. He wants this to be an ongoing fight that Russia eventually wins.

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 16h ago

Yes, Americans. You are currently actively supporting the baddies. Is that what you voted for? Do you find it acceptable that your government undermines NATO and rolls out the red carpet for warcriminals?

No? Then get off your asses already and organize.

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u/SourFix 15h ago

You underestimate how many The Cult is. 1/3 of this country is with Trump until the bitter, bitter end and another 1/3 are too scared to go against them.

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 15h ago

1/3rd of the population going on general strike would grind the economy (and a whole lot of Trump's sponsors) to a screeching halt.

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u/MiszeryLovesCompany 13h ago

That's about as realistic as you guys using 2nd ammendment to fight tyranny.

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u/MiaowaraShiro 8h ago

Problem is it takes like minimum 6 months to organize something like that...

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 8h ago

Good thing some others already began. https://generalstrikeus.com/

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u/MiaowaraShiro 8h ago

Would a general strike still be warranted if Democrats retake congress?

If not then I don't think there's much point in organizing one since that's like a month away.

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u/Russian_Turtles 7h ago

It's largely irrelevant, Congress has ceased to function for the better part of 2 decades now with no real fix in sight.

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u/SourFix 7h ago

Of course not. They're going to give everyone everything that they want. Free everything for everyone! A perfect society of wealth and leisure!

Of course it's warranted. Getting rid of the Epstein Class is only the very beginning.

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u/Naive_Personality367 2h ago

lets just see how far complacency gets us hmmm

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u/WeAllStartAsAnAnus 13h ago

The answer is yes. ~30% indirectly support Russia, having a Russian-like mentality and ~30% of the US don't care / are apolitical.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump-supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

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u/mangarc 12h ago

That's not even counting the 750,000 excess deaths caused by the gutting of USAID... the median American voter and non-voters have serious blood on their hands and untold suffering. The average American voter holds far too much power... it doesn't help that they will never be held to account because of the indifferent society that has been bred and the sheer lack of accountability... how was the current sitting US president able to get away with actual insurrection is beyond me... that's some third world shit.

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u/tankspikefayebebop 8h ago

Why didn't the rest of the world start picking the bill? Blaming USA without giving credit to the rest of the west is kinda crazy talk.

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u/Briefcasefullofbees 8h ago

Honestly at this point I am done with more than half of my "fellow" Americans. Wouldn't even piss on them if they were on fire

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u/mrspidey80 15h ago

They're too busy working three jobs per day in order to not starve to death.

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 15h ago

Ah well, better wait until it gets worse then.

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u/Muted_Chemical_9458 15h ago

Ah yes, compliance by an indifferent population. The Americans are cooked.

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u/fluffy_doughnut 12h ago

Ah yes because the French started the revolution with full bellies /s

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u/Chefalo 9h ago

Ah yes because 1789 France and 2026 United States are identical situations

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 5h ago

Of you think it's not related or comparable then you are either oblivious or willfully opposing change. Which is it?

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u/Chefalo 5h ago

I’m neither oblivious nor opposing change. I just hear this French talking point on this site constantly. The US is 17x the size of France and has roughly 5x more population. France’s population density is roughly 3.4x that of the US even if urban population share is similar the furthest point in France from Paris is roughly 450miles, from LA to DC it’s ~2,700miles

There are very clear logistical hurdles based on those facts alone that people are unwilling to acknowledge.

Now add in just how different technology is now, weapons, surveillance, the financial system, media, communication etc. The playing field is nowhere near as level as it was in the late 1700s.

Are Americans doing enough? No we are not, we desperately need a real leader for an opposition group or party. (Schumer and Jeffries are a bad joke) This is especially difficult because anytime someone starts to make progress they run into the fact that traditional media and social media is ran by the fascist oligarchs and they control the messaging.

Again, WE AMERICANS ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH, but the snarky French comments thrown around like it’s the exact same situation and we are choosing not to do the same is ridiculous

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u/Ok-Blood4340 3h ago

This right here. Good on you for having two brain cells to rub together, unlike the brain dead “derp why no protest more.”

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u/ThenIDunnoWassIst 12h ago

3 Jobs a day to be free

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u/Apple2727 4h ago

What specifically do you want them to do?

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u/NahDawgDatAintMe 6h ago

They literally want this to happen. Stop expecting the people of a country who voted for this exact thing to happen to start behaving differently. They are not being compelled to vote this way. They had freedom of choice and chose to elect this guy twice.

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u/Actualsaint333 5h ago

So much easier said than done.

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 5h ago

So much easier to kick the can down the road to the next generation.

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u/Actualsaint333 5h ago

So what should we do aside from your vague call to “organize”? This isn’t exactly an easy situation to get out of.

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u/Agitated_Air_9979 15h ago

Activity supporting the baddies when we’re giving intelligence information to Ukraine?

Ukraine are not the baddies. 

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 15h ago

*withholding as a tool for pressuring

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u/Agitated_Air_9979 15h ago

We didn’t withhold data. 

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 14h ago

Do you have a short memory, or just a selective one?

https://carleton.ca/eetn/2025/u-s-intelligence-sharing-with-ukraine-suspension-and-restoration/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/05/how-trump-left-ukraine-blind-without-us-intelligence/

Trump has been stopping every weapons shipment he could, cut all the funding he could, publicly mocked and insulted Zelensky, and attempted to blackmail Ukraine for dirt on his political enemies. In contrast, he rolled out the red carpet for Putin and is currently breaking the trade embargo with Russia.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 17h ago

one of these days the hamburgers will do their job and i will pop a bottle of champagne

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u/namitynamenamey 16h ago

Carful, words like these can see you sent to the gulag or the camps.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 16h ago

i'm not threatening him, i'm just quietly waiting for nature to take its course.

Also i'm not under US jurisdiction

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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago

Dont matter, Australian Julian Assange wasn't under US jurisdiction too, see what happened to him.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 16h ago

Luckily i don't run a website leaking US state secrets. i'm just a guy waiting for another guy to shuffle off this mortal coil naturally

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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago

For nobodies, they probably just get thrown to deportation camp to some random countries by ICE when they visited US for holiday when they scanned your social media. Doubt ICE cared where the tourist originated from anyway. Unless you wont visit US ever then you should be fine.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 16h ago

I have no plans to go to the US, certainly not while the Orange Mussolini is in charge

Theres a reason your tourism industry is collapsing

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u/Sir-Cringealot 16h ago

Who the hell is planning a visit to the US lmao? Might as well just go to Russia at this point

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u/the_legends_of_link 15h ago

Why the fuck would anyone voluntarily visit the US

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u/Objective_Sugar6897 15h ago

There are still work related trips since many big MNC HQ is from US. Not voluntary but it is what it is.

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u/wolf3685 9h ago

I work with many international colleagues.

All work travel to the USA has been suspended indefinitely due to issues with ICE and CBP arresting and detaining lawfully present workers on business trips...who had the proper Visas and paperwork for working.

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u/No-Impress-2096 12h ago

The Boys finale was pretty specific about certain real  people getting murdered by their favorite fascist superhero, and the writers haven't been punished AFAIK.

Maybe if Reps win the mid-terms they will? 

  • Praised be Allah etc.

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u/No_Try3592 16h ago

Fuck that fat fuck.  I will shit on his grave one day

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u/Keemo-Sabe 12h ago

Unless these "Hamburgers" fix the issues with American culture nothing will change.

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u/CantDoPlaid 12h ago

Mine has been chilling since he started showing up with bruised hands. Can't wait. I was thinking about getting one of those NASCAR sized bottles and just power washing my front yard with it when it finally happens.

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u/orangebiceps 16h ago

Trump is a dictator

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u/Cum_Smurf 16h ago

And it seems Americans are fine with all he does

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u/BillNyeIsCoolio 13h ago

Americans don't believe in freedom.

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u/TheHerculeanWonder 2h ago

They don't even really know what it is.

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u/RandomStuffGenerator 16h ago

Not yet but the time window to prevent that is closing fast

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u/Chrono_Convoy 16h ago

It was back between 2020 and 2024

Why Dems thought it was reasonable not to properly investigate the far right is beyond me

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 16h ago

Probably because half their payroll comes from the same corporations.

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u/IrritableGourmet 14h ago

They did properly investigate. The problem is you can't win a game against someone who cheats.

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u/NoMoon777 15h ago

Now that is starting to get funny/tragic.

Supreme court declared that he is above the law.
He has a special militia with unlimited funds that he can point to people that he does not like even if they are members of congress.
He put a acolyte on top of the military and got rid of many of the high officers that would be able to oppose his bullshit.

What exactly are you waiting him to do?
Come out and say that he is a dictator? Not even that hard for that to happen, but it is more likely that he will lie and keep lying to the day he dies.

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u/RandomStuffGenerator 14h ago

I am not saying he doesn't have everything lined up, because he for sure has. But it remains to be seen if he is able to stay in power once things go down... you guys will find out in just a few weeks. Wish you strength and determination, because luck won't be enough.

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u/TemporarySun314 17h ago

I mean it's not the first time the US did that.

Americans threaten that every few weeks. There is a reason why Ukraine tries to move to European intelligence sources...

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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago

And turns out EU intelligence sources is useless.

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u/TemporarySun314 16h ago

Still Better than "allies" that actively sabotage you... .

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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago

And the ally just happened to be the current world superpower. So now Russia is supported by 2; US and China. 

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u/EnvironmentalRate368 16h ago

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u/dan_bykov 16h ago

Macron talks, talk is cheap

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u/EnvironmentalRate368 15h ago

Sure, you have better knowlage than president of France.

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u/dan_bykov 11h ago

He has a 15% approval rating, and his potential successor could completely cut off aid to Ukraine. Seriously hoping that such a thing could match US aid is pure copium.

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u/EnvironmentalRate368 11h ago

USA have the best intel, but 1,5 year ago they stoped sharing Intel with Ukraine for some time (I don't rememer how long) and they mange fine during that time.

French presidential election will be decided in May 2027.

UK also heave good intelligence agency.

US pauses intelligence sharing with Ukraine

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u/noelknight 16h ago

Yeah unfortunately we are dogshit and not ready for Russia but hopefully that will change soon. Time to only use domestic stuff and develop things ourselves.

Also more funding for our intelligence services.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 15h ago

EU intelligence sources have access to US intelligence sources

they can get US targeting data from any friendly five eyes nation

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u/Objective_Sugar6897 15h ago

And that just means EU didnt provide to Ukraine any warning despite EU having access to US intelligence sources after Trump throw tantrum.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 15h ago

Why would the EU have any warning?

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u/Objective_Sugar6897 15h ago

Why not ? Is their intelligence so poor that they cant even see cheap Russia drones coming ?

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u/De_Fide 15h ago

Ah yes, our heroes, the Americans!!

What a failed country.....

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u/Periodic_Disorder 16h ago

Data centres are now a better target as they'll hinder the GOP's main way of manipulating the public

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u/EmotionFriendly1096 11h ago

Putin owns Trump, hopefully a quick impeachment will remove the Manchurian candidate.

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u/toastxhippo 12h ago

Russia won the cold war

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u/raerae1991 8h ago

…and by oil refineries they actually mean Russian data centers

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u/hazikan 15h ago

It hurts for Ukrainians people, as I'd they are not suffering enough already, it feels like every day bring a new bad news.

It also sucks to see that a dictator is using his American allies to achieve what he can't do...

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u/AttitudeAdjusterSE 15h ago

The US is now a rogue state. The rest of the world should be doing all it can to separate itself from them.

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u/FukushimaBlinkie 4h ago

Sell off all bonds, bds America completely.

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u/fluffy_doughnut 12h ago

Just for your information dear Americans - we’re not only mad at Trump, we’re mad AT YOU because THANKS TO YOU this is happening. Just saying so that in the future you’ll be less surprised why people outside of your country don’t like you

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u/shiningdickhalloran 3h ago

Ukraine is barely on the radar for the US midterms. No one cares about Ukraine. And randos in other countries "not liking" me doesn't matter either.

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u/fatal-horse-kick 15h ago

I remember when Trump said he trusted Russian intelligence over his own government’s in 2016. Americans don’t give a sh*t about what goes on outside their window any more.

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u/hangindawg 15h ago

Oil refineries is a weird way to say population manipulating bot farm data centers

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u/My_two-cents 5h ago

Midterms cant come soon enough

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u/CaptainSponge 13h ago

I don’t understand how there isn’t more street protests in the US.

If this shit happened in France the whole city would be flipped.

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u/Packolypse 9h ago

Most people don’t pay attention and unless it’s in the evening news, will never know. It’s why republicans are so good at getting low information voters to vote for them. They see an advertisement about the candidate or a FB post and that will be what sticks in their head and nothing else after will change it.

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u/raerae1991 8h ago

France is comparable geographically to the size of Texas, but Texas is half the population of France. Protests in the states have all kinds of logistical issues that the EU does not have or understand

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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 7h ago

Yep, this is why protests in Russia are also hard, plus all that mud, snow and badly maintained roads. I'm sure government's neglect roads on purpose to control the flow of people.

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u/okiedokie1183 7h ago

Europeans don’t realize how big the US is. If you want to see the US correctly look at the US as if we’re the EU. How long does it take for the EU to get around to doing something? How long did it take for Hungary to sort itself out? How frustrated did it make you about Orban being an idiot?

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u/theBoobMan 5h ago

Bro, the rational people are not the ones asking these questions.

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u/BastianHS 5h ago

The whole city of france

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u/Embarrassed_Cap_9149 9h ago

most americans consider geopolitics & international relations secondary issues. and worse, these are sometimes not even considered at all

their primary concerns are sociopolitics--mostly trivial or outright fake issues: gender war, pronouns, patriarchy, lgbtq, dei, and so on

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u/ced_rdrr 7h ago

Because all they care about is 0.50 change on the diesel so they could drive to a gym to work out and then drive to a park to take a walk.

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u/StyleUpstairs1748 9h ago

There are but if we don’t work we die. Healthcare need a job to get, housing need a job to get, food need a job to get. we are trapped in this hell where we have to work multiple jobs to just barely pay the bills. Trust me, 100 of thousands of people would be pulling for a real fight. I want to fight. I got guns ready but we are outnumbered 10 to one by police that just bend the knee. Just like our first revolution, we need outside help. Scantion us. Declare us a harbor of terrorism. Support internal organization to fight these maga assholes. We the people need help. We the people want to fight. Help us figure out how to ensure food, water, and shelter. Like the Europeans say, us Americans are stupid. Help us fight from the inside.

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u/Ok-Blood4340 3h ago

In France, people are protesting then get to fall back on their universal healthcare to patch them back up.

In the US, people protest and just the ambulance ride alone will bankrupt you.

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u/Acceptable_Bat379 1h ago

We're also spread out and the police and ice have our tax money to organize and equip themselves. We literally fund out oppressors. And until things hit a critical mass speaking out too much can get you fired or jailed in the land of the free

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u/NahDawgDatAintMe 5h ago

The people of France support Ukraine. The people of America support Russia. They are celebrating their leadership right now.

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u/Ok-Blood4340 3h ago

No people of America are supporting the Putin regime, except the handful in the White House paid by the Putin regime.

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u/NeptuneOverlord43045 2h ago

That isn’t how it looks from the outside. America is supposedly a democracy. We’ve voted for this puppet two times. We have access to all the data and reporting showing us how Trump is undermining Ukraine and helping Russia. We do very little to put an end to it. We look weak and pathetic to those looking in from outside because they know if Americans really gave a shit we’d be giving the regime total hell in the streets. 

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u/Ntroepy 2h ago

That’s not true. Only 3% of Americans support Russia while 63% support Ukraine. So, no, the American people do NOT support Russia.

But that doesn’t really matter much because most Americans rank foreign policy pretty low in terms of priority so they’re not going to do anything to stop it.

https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/54157-four-years-after-russia-invasion-ukraine-most-americans-side-ukraine-few-think-its-winning-february-20-23-2026-economist-yougov-poll

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u/coachhunter2 3h ago

Because Americans don’t have the same morals and sense of decency we do.

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u/Jman1a 10h ago

Because deep down they are cool with it. They have been told their entire lives that they are the greatest nation and people on the planet. How special and important they are. Only they know right from wrong and are the sole protectors of freedom on Earth. No wonder when they get an urge to throw their “might” around the rest of the world should bow to them due to their endless generosity they have selflessly given.

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u/memenmemen 16h ago

classic behavior associated with "good guys"

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u/Packolypse 10h ago

So here is what you do. Bomb everything around it. The trucks leaving the refinery, the pipes. Kill the power going to them. Blow up the inputs, whatever they are going to it. Go after the wells.

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u/ruffianrevolution 15h ago

Has anyone actually explained to the laughable "american military" that when you involve yourself in a war, you can't be on both sides?

Do they teach that sort of thing?

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u/Electronic-Trifle516 16h ago

Fuck this americans 🤮

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u/kroqus 11h ago

America, you're the bad guys right now.  

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u/AloneChapter 5h ago

The bombing is working . Pootin is scrambling.

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u/macinit1138 3h ago

MAGA voted for our enemies and a criminal fraud for president and it worked out as well as we all literally knew it would.

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u/Liqerman 3h ago

F Musk/Starlink. Ukraine should keep bombing Russian refineries. US should be helping the oppressed/Ukraine, not Russia. Where is Musk's humanity? Everyone knows Trump is a slimy worm and has no humanity.

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u/Infinite_Second6928 3h ago

Only Threatened?

Last I heard, the US asked Musk to stop starlink support (used by Ukrainian fighters), and now the US is paying Russia to continue the war.

Sounds much more than just threatening.

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u/auradex991 3h ago

America : country where spineless rich people rule

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u/cetootski 2h ago

That's when you know it's hurting Putin.

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u/Yanosh457 16h ago edited 15h ago

I’m sure Ukraine doesn’t care as they already know the US intelligence sharing is bad

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u/Chaiboiii 16h ago

Well now Starlink apparently limited Ukrainian use