r/worldnews • u/pravda_eng_official Ukrainska Pravda • 17h ago
Russia/Ukraine Zelenskyy confirms US threatened to cut intelligence-sharing over Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/10/14/8057937/595
u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 16h ago
Yes, Americans. You are currently actively supporting the baddies. Is that what you voted for? Do you find it acceptable that your government undermines NATO and rolls out the red carpet for warcriminals?
No? Then get off your asses already and organize.
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u/SourFix 15h ago
You underestimate how many The Cult is. 1/3 of this country is with Trump until the bitter, bitter end and another 1/3 are too scared to go against them.
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 15h ago
1/3rd of the population going on general strike would grind the economy (and a whole lot of Trump's sponsors) to a screeching halt.
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u/MiszeryLovesCompany 13h ago
That's about as realistic as you guys using 2nd ammendment to fight tyranny.
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u/MiaowaraShiro 8h ago
Problem is it takes like minimum 6 months to organize something like that...
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 8h ago
Good thing some others already began. https://generalstrikeus.com/
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u/MiaowaraShiro 8h ago
Would a general strike still be warranted if Democrats retake congress?
If not then I don't think there's much point in organizing one since that's like a month away.
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u/Russian_Turtles 7h ago
It's largely irrelevant, Congress has ceased to function for the better part of 2 decades now with no real fix in sight.
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u/WeAllStartAsAnAnus 13h ago
The answer is yes. ~30% indirectly support Russia, having a Russian-like mentality and ~30% of the US don't care / are apolitical.
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u/mangarc 12h ago
That's not even counting the 750,000 excess deaths caused by the gutting of USAID... the median American voter and non-voters have serious blood on their hands and untold suffering. The average American voter holds far too much power... it doesn't help that they will never be held to account because of the indifferent society that has been bred and the sheer lack of accountability... how was the current sitting US president able to get away with actual insurrection is beyond me... that's some third world shit.
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u/tankspikefayebebop 8h ago
Why didn't the rest of the world start picking the bill? Blaming USA without giving credit to the rest of the west is kinda crazy talk.
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u/Briefcasefullofbees 8h ago
Honestly at this point I am done with more than half of my "fellow" Americans. Wouldn't even piss on them if they were on fire
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u/mrspidey80 15h ago
They're too busy working three jobs per day in order to not starve to death.
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u/Muted_Chemical_9458 15h ago
Ah yes, compliance by an indifferent population. The Americans are cooked.
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u/fluffy_doughnut 12h ago
Ah yes because the French started the revolution with full bellies /s
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u/Chefalo 9h ago
Ah yes because 1789 France and 2026 United States are identical situations
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 5h ago
Of you think it's not related or comparable then you are either oblivious or willfully opposing change. Which is it?
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u/Chefalo 5h ago
I’m neither oblivious nor opposing change. I just hear this French talking point on this site constantly. The US is 17x the size of France and has roughly 5x more population. France’s population density is roughly 3.4x that of the US even if urban population share is similar the furthest point in France from Paris is roughly 450miles, from LA to DC it’s ~2,700miles
There are very clear logistical hurdles based on those facts alone that people are unwilling to acknowledge.
Now add in just how different technology is now, weapons, surveillance, the financial system, media, communication etc. The playing field is nowhere near as level as it was in the late 1700s.
Are Americans doing enough? No we are not, we desperately need a real leader for an opposition group or party. (Schumer and Jeffries are a bad joke) This is especially difficult because anytime someone starts to make progress they run into the fact that traditional media and social media is ran by the fascist oligarchs and they control the messaging.
Again, WE AMERICANS ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH, but the snarky French comments thrown around like it’s the exact same situation and we are choosing not to do the same is ridiculous
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u/Ok-Blood4340 3h ago
This right here. Good on you for having two brain cells to rub together, unlike the brain dead “derp why no protest more.”
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u/NahDawgDatAintMe 6h ago
They literally want this to happen. Stop expecting the people of a country who voted for this exact thing to happen to start behaving differently. They are not being compelled to vote this way. They had freedom of choice and chose to elect this guy twice.
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u/Actualsaint333 5h ago
So much easier said than done.
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 5h ago
So much easier to kick the can down the road to the next generation.
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u/Actualsaint333 5h ago
So what should we do aside from your vague call to “organize”? This isn’t exactly an easy situation to get out of.
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u/Agitated_Air_9979 15h ago
Activity supporting the baddies when we’re giving intelligence information to Ukraine?
Ukraine are not the baddies.
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 15h ago
*withholding as a tool for pressuring
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u/Agitated_Air_9979 15h ago
We didn’t withhold data.
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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 14h ago
Do you have a short memory, or just a selective one?
https://carleton.ca/eetn/2025/u-s-intelligence-sharing-with-ukraine-suspension-and-restoration/
Trump has been stopping every weapons shipment he could, cut all the funding he could, publicly mocked and insulted Zelensky, and attempted to blackmail Ukraine for dirt on his political enemies. In contrast, he rolled out the red carpet for Putin and is currently breaking the trade embargo with Russia.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 17h ago
one of these days the hamburgers will do their job and i will pop a bottle of champagne
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u/namitynamenamey 16h ago
Carful, words like these can see you sent to the gulag or the camps.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 16h ago
i'm not threatening him, i'm just quietly waiting for nature to take its course.
Also i'm not under US jurisdiction
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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago
Dont matter, Australian Julian Assange wasn't under US jurisdiction too, see what happened to him.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 16h ago
Luckily i don't run a website leaking US state secrets. i'm just a guy waiting for another guy to shuffle off this mortal coil naturally
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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago
For nobodies, they probably just get thrown to deportation camp to some random countries by ICE when they visited US for holiday when they scanned your social media. Doubt ICE cared where the tourist originated from anyway. Unless you wont visit US ever then you should be fine.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 16h ago
I have no plans to go to the US, certainly not while the Orange Mussolini is in charge
Theres a reason your tourism industry is collapsing
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u/Sir-Cringealot 16h ago
Who the hell is planning a visit to the US lmao? Might as well just go to Russia at this point
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u/the_legends_of_link 15h ago
Why the fuck would anyone voluntarily visit the US
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u/Objective_Sugar6897 15h ago
There are still work related trips since many big MNC HQ is from US. Not voluntary but it is what it is.
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u/wolf3685 9h ago
I work with many international colleagues.
All work travel to the USA has been suspended indefinitely due to issues with ICE and CBP arresting and detaining lawfully present workers on business trips...who had the proper Visas and paperwork for working.
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u/No-Impress-2096 12h ago
The Boys finale was pretty specific about certain real people getting murdered by their favorite fascist superhero, and the writers haven't been punished AFAIK.
Maybe if Reps win the mid-terms they will?
- Praised be Allah etc.
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u/Keemo-Sabe 12h ago
Unless these "Hamburgers" fix the issues with American culture nothing will change.
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u/CantDoPlaid 12h ago
Mine has been chilling since he started showing up with bruised hands. Can't wait. I was thinking about getting one of those NASCAR sized bottles and just power washing my front yard with it when it finally happens.
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u/orangebiceps 16h ago
Trump is a dictator
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u/Cum_Smurf 16h ago
And it seems Americans are fine with all he does
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u/RandomStuffGenerator 16h ago
Not yet but the time window to prevent that is closing fast
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u/Chrono_Convoy 16h ago
It was back between 2020 and 2024
Why Dems thought it was reasonable not to properly investigate the far right is beyond me
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u/IrritableGourmet 14h ago
They did properly investigate. The problem is you can't win a game against someone who cheats.
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u/NoMoon777 15h ago
Now that is starting to get funny/tragic.
Supreme court declared that he is above the law.
He has a special militia with unlimited funds that he can point to people that he does not like even if they are members of congress.
He put a acolyte on top of the military and got rid of many of the high officers that would be able to oppose his bullshit.What exactly are you waiting him to do?
Come out and say that he is a dictator? Not even that hard for that to happen, but it is more likely that he will lie and keep lying to the day he dies.1
u/RandomStuffGenerator 14h ago
I am not saying he doesn't have everything lined up, because he for sure has. But it remains to be seen if he is able to stay in power once things go down... you guys will find out in just a few weeks. Wish you strength and determination, because luck won't be enough.
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u/TemporarySun314 17h ago
I mean it's not the first time the US did that.
Americans threaten that every few weeks. There is a reason why Ukraine tries to move to European intelligence sources...
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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago
And turns out EU intelligence sources is useless.
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u/TemporarySun314 16h ago
Still Better than "allies" that actively sabotage you... .
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u/Objective_Sugar6897 16h ago
And the ally just happened to be the current world superpower. So now Russia is supported by 2; US and China.
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u/EnvironmentalRate368 16h ago
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u/dan_bykov 16h ago
Macron talks, talk is cheap
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u/EnvironmentalRate368 15h ago
Sure, you have better knowlage than president of France.
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u/dan_bykov 11h ago
He has a 15% approval rating, and his potential successor could completely cut off aid to Ukraine. Seriously hoping that such a thing could match US aid is pure copium.
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u/EnvironmentalRate368 11h ago
USA have the best intel, but 1,5 year ago they stoped sharing Intel with Ukraine for some time (I don't rememer how long) and they mange fine during that time.
French presidential election will be decided in May 2027.
UK also heave good intelligence agency.
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u/noelknight 16h ago
Yeah unfortunately we are dogshit and not ready for Russia but hopefully that will change soon. Time to only use domestic stuff and develop things ourselves.
Also more funding for our intelligence services.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 15h ago
EU intelligence sources have access to US intelligence sources
they can get US targeting data from any friendly five eyes nation
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u/Objective_Sugar6897 15h ago
And that just means EU didnt provide to Ukraine any warning despite EU having access to US intelligence sources after Trump throw tantrum.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 15h ago
Why would the EU have any warning?
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u/Objective_Sugar6897 15h ago
Why not ? Is their intelligence so poor that they cant even see cheap Russia drones coming ?
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u/Periodic_Disorder 16h ago
Data centres are now a better target as they'll hinder the GOP's main way of manipulating the public
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u/EmotionFriendly1096 11h ago
Putin owns Trump, hopefully a quick impeachment will remove the Manchurian candidate.
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u/AttitudeAdjusterSE 15h ago
The US is now a rogue state. The rest of the world should be doing all it can to separate itself from them.
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u/fluffy_doughnut 12h ago
Just for your information dear Americans - we’re not only mad at Trump, we’re mad AT YOU because THANKS TO YOU this is happening. Just saying so that in the future you’ll be less surprised why people outside of your country don’t like you
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u/shiningdickhalloran 3h ago
Ukraine is barely on the radar for the US midterms. No one cares about Ukraine. And randos in other countries "not liking" me doesn't matter either.
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u/fatal-horse-kick 15h ago
I remember when Trump said he trusted Russian intelligence over his own government’s in 2016. Americans don’t give a sh*t about what goes on outside their window any more.
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u/hangindawg 15h ago
Oil refineries is a weird way to say population manipulating bot farm data centers
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u/CaptainSponge 13h ago
I don’t understand how there isn’t more street protests in the US.
If this shit happened in France the whole city would be flipped.
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u/Packolypse 9h ago
Most people don’t pay attention and unless it’s in the evening news, will never know. It’s why republicans are so good at getting low information voters to vote for them. They see an advertisement about the candidate or a FB post and that will be what sticks in their head and nothing else after will change it.
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u/raerae1991 8h ago
France is comparable geographically to the size of Texas, but Texas is half the population of France. Protests in the states have all kinds of logistical issues that the EU does not have or understand
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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 7h ago
Yep, this is why protests in Russia are also hard, plus all that mud, snow and badly maintained roads. I'm sure government's neglect roads on purpose to control the flow of people.
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u/okiedokie1183 7h ago
Europeans don’t realize how big the US is. If you want to see the US correctly look at the US as if we’re the EU. How long does it take for the EU to get around to doing something? How long did it take for Hungary to sort itself out? How frustrated did it make you about Orban being an idiot?
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u/Embarrassed_Cap_9149 9h ago
most americans consider geopolitics & international relations secondary issues. and worse, these are sometimes not even considered at all
their primary concerns are sociopolitics--mostly trivial or outright fake issues: gender war, pronouns, patriarchy, lgbtq, dei, and so on
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u/ced_rdrr 7h ago
Because all they care about is 0.50 change on the diesel so they could drive to a gym to work out and then drive to a park to take a walk.
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u/StyleUpstairs1748 9h ago
There are but if we don’t work we die. Healthcare need a job to get, housing need a job to get, food need a job to get. we are trapped in this hell where we have to work multiple jobs to just barely pay the bills. Trust me, 100 of thousands of people would be pulling for a real fight. I want to fight. I got guns ready but we are outnumbered 10 to one by police that just bend the knee. Just like our first revolution, we need outside help. Scantion us. Declare us a harbor of terrorism. Support internal organization to fight these maga assholes. We the people need help. We the people want to fight. Help us figure out how to ensure food, water, and shelter. Like the Europeans say, us Americans are stupid. Help us fight from the inside.
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u/Ok-Blood4340 3h ago
In France, people are protesting then get to fall back on their universal healthcare to patch them back up.
In the US, people protest and just the ambulance ride alone will bankrupt you.
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u/Acceptable_Bat379 1h ago
We're also spread out and the police and ice have our tax money to organize and equip themselves. We literally fund out oppressors. And until things hit a critical mass speaking out too much can get you fired or jailed in the land of the free
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u/NahDawgDatAintMe 5h ago
The people of France support Ukraine. The people of America support Russia. They are celebrating their leadership right now.
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u/Ok-Blood4340 3h ago
No people of America are supporting the Putin regime, except the handful in the White House paid by the Putin regime.
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u/NeptuneOverlord43045 2h ago
That isn’t how it looks from the outside. America is supposedly a democracy. We’ve voted for this puppet two times. We have access to all the data and reporting showing us how Trump is undermining Ukraine and helping Russia. We do very little to put an end to it. We look weak and pathetic to those looking in from outside because they know if Americans really gave a shit we’d be giving the regime total hell in the streets.
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u/Ntroepy 2h ago
That’s not true. Only 3% of Americans support Russia while 63% support Ukraine. So, no, the American people do NOT support Russia.
But that doesn’t really matter much because most Americans rank foreign policy pretty low in terms of priority so they’re not going to do anything to stop it.
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u/Jman1a 10h ago
Because deep down they are cool with it. They have been told their entire lives that they are the greatest nation and people on the planet. How special and important they are. Only they know right from wrong and are the sole protectors of freedom on Earth. No wonder when they get an urge to throw their “might” around the rest of the world should bow to them due to their endless generosity they have selflessly given.
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u/Packolypse 10h ago
So here is what you do. Bomb everything around it. The trucks leaving the refinery, the pipes. Kill the power going to them. Blow up the inputs, whatever they are going to it. Go after the wells.
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u/ruffianrevolution 15h ago
Has anyone actually explained to the laughable "american military" that when you involve yourself in a war, you can't be on both sides?
Do they teach that sort of thing?
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u/macinit1138 3h ago
MAGA voted for our enemies and a criminal fraud for president and it worked out as well as we all literally knew it would.
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u/Liqerman 3h ago
F Musk/Starlink. Ukraine should keep bombing Russian refineries. US should be helping the oppressed/Ukraine, not Russia. Where is Musk's humanity? Everyone knows Trump is a slimy worm and has no humanity.
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u/Infinite_Second6928 3h ago
Only Threatened?
Last I heard, the US asked Musk to stop starlink support (used by Ukrainian fighters), and now the US is paying Russia to continue the war.
Sounds much more than just threatening.
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u/Yanosh457 16h ago edited 15h ago
I’m sure Ukraine doesn’t care as they already know the US intelligence sharing is bad
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u/USHEV2 16h ago
And they still cut it last night even though no refineries have been hit in 3 days. It's obviously not about refineries and the miniscule amount of diesel Russia can provide. Things are way more sinister.