r/worldnews • u/Not_Tom_Jones • 1d ago

Russia/Ukraine 'This cannot be a coincidence' — Ukraine's Starlink access restricted without warning, Zelensky adviser says

https://kyivindependent.com/this-cannot-be-a-coincidence-ukraines-starlink-access-restricted-without-warning-zelensky-adviser-says/
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u/Smrtihara 22h ago

I like to liken in to a group of ten survivors in a zombie apocalypse who sees an eleventh dude. They propose two things: help the guy OR murder him and steal his stuff. It’s put to a vote. Three people refuse to vote, four people vote to brutally murder him and three vote to help him.

Naturally they murder the dude and divvy up his possessions between themselves.

Now… is that group of ten survivors good people? Only four out of ten people voted for murder!

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u/Diligent_Hedgehog999 19h ago

Except that a more realistic example is that 1 of the people wasn’t allowed to vote because he smoked pot in 1993, 2 of the people were so dumb they didn’t understand why it was important to vote. The 4 people vote to murder him and they all assume that his stuff will be split among the 4 of them, but one of them is a really large and a bully and he says he is keeping it all and the other 3 just agree because one day they think they will be in charge and will be able to keep everything they plunder. The 3 that wanted to help the are still in shock and are trying to figure out how the hell are we going to get out of this? So no we don’t have 10 shitty people. We have 4 shitty people, 2 dumbasses, and 4 people that are essentially being held hostage at the moment by the other 6.

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u/PuzzleCat365 22h ago

Those that voted to help him didn't even stop the others from killing him and just watched.

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u/created4this 20h ago

But they'll fix it the next time they get to vote on killing a dude. IF only they can get the guys that did't vote at all to care enough to not kill that dude because they are CERTAIN that those guys would have voted to not kill the dude.

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u/Slow-Flounder6502 19h ago

They were outnumbered.

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u/OneSecretCookie 21h ago

There probbaly is something in the cult thinking he is the secound coming of Jesus and if he died it would fulfill the prophecy and die a martyr (the same thing they used Charlie Kirk and have people worshiping him and putting him on a coin)

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u/Diligent_Hedgehog999 8h ago

We didn’t just watch. We campaigned. We tried to build awareness. We tried to change minds. We tried all the tools available to us at the time. We may need to try new tools.

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u/stop_poking_it 18h ago

It's a pretty flawed analogy. The three people who voted to save the guy should be far across the wasteland with no means of getting there to save him, and literal armed thugs ready to kill them and steal their children from them if they tried anyhow.

People love blame all Americans without putting any critical thought into it.

What would you suggest they actually do to fight against it? What would you do in their situation?

Protesting clearly isn't working. Voting clearly isn't working. The peaceful methods to end this aren't going to work.

Any amount of armed resistance would be quashed so quickly it would barely make a dent. Do you think people would forsake their families and children to put up a fight against the police and eventually military?

I would love to hear suggestions on what Americans should do.

I know quite a few Russians that hate Putin and do not support the war with Ukraine. Are they to blame for it? Is every Chinese person complicit in what their government does? Americans have no more control over Trump than Russians do over Putin.

Wherever you're from, what exactly do you do when you fundamentally disagree with what your leader does?

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u/SomaCreuz 14h ago

General strikes. But you can't, right? Because your life is attached to your job. Peaceful protests are useless, violent protests only hurt yourselves. Can you see what's going on?

The most annoying thing about all this is how Americans act like their lives are comfy and not nearly threatened enough to take any risk, and at the same time they're this suppressed victim of a tyrannical government that doesn't respect their wishes and could be wiped out at any resistance when asked to take some action.

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u/stop_poking_it 6h ago

I've heard the general strikes thing before.

I still want to know, honestly, who in the world would go homeless, let thier children starve, no longer be able to afford the medication they need, and so on - in hopes that the government cared that they didn't show up for thier shift at a job that could potentially replace them with a touchscreen, AI, or a drone.

For clarification, I'm not a US resident, but when I was I worked at a small business owned by an immigrant. What effect on anything would she have by going on strike? Why should she give up everything she worked so hard for?

My wife's family are immigrants to the US as well, half are refugees. Frankly, the are done with turmoil and just want to live life.

On top of this, there are so many people in the US that don't have the means to do anything. Hell, a lot aren't even employed.

Are the oppressed minorities who often can't vote to blame? Are the poor who can't get to the voting booths to blame? The old people? The people under voting age? The people who didn't have access to education?

How about the countless activists and organizers trying to make change?

You say general strikes without thinking about the implications and as if you yourself would do it if actually confronted with it.

You're also discounting the fact that the US authorities would eventually have react to general strikes with brutality.

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u/SomaCreuz 5h ago edited 5h ago

You say general strikes without thinking about the implications and as if you yourself would do it if actually confronted with it.

I would, and I have. Because in my country, my life is not tied to my job. If it's the case that it is, than I'd be fighting for it not to be.

You're also discounting the fact that the US authorities would eventually have react to general strikes with brutality.

Well, if I live in a so-called democratic country in which I have no means of effectively protesting, and civil disobedience is met with state brutality, than I'd have to concede that the country is not democratic, and will have to choose between accepting that and all that it entails, or accepting that the means to combat it are no longer in the democratic sphere.

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u/stop_poking_it 5h ago

I mean, that's already happened.

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u/Pretz_ 20h ago

I like to liken in to a group of ten survivors in a zombie apocalypse who sees an eleventh dude. They propose two things: help the guy OR murder him and steal his stuff. It’s put to a vote. Three people refuse to vote, four people vote to brutally murder him and three vote to help him. Naturally they murder the dude and divvy up his possessions between themselves.

What exactly did they do to stop it? Your moral responsibly doesn't just end with a vote.

Worse, the six others packed a bag lunch for the murderers on their big murdering day, and then when it came time to divvy up the victim's belongings, they were all perfectly happy to be the benefactors of evil.

Then they found a twelfth person; the 11th guy's sister. Obviously they immediately tie her to a post. The four murderers don't even put it to vote, they just decide for everyone to keep her alive so they can rape and torture her for fun. During this time, the three people who voted against murder spend literally all their time trying to convince the poor girl that they're actually not bad people because they didn't vote for torture themselves. All while wearing the girl's clothing and belongings.

The girl says "JFC you killed my brother and took my things! At least untie me and let me go!" but the three 'helpful' Americans, aghast, reply, "We can't go against the murderers! Do you have any idea how inconvenient that would be for us?"