r/watchmodding • • 3d ago

Basic repair and troubleshooting tips!

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Hello! We, as your mod team, wanted to give you a guide on some basic troubleshooting for watch issues you may run into. These may or may not solve any issues you have, so if you've done all the basic steps and still have issues, please visit a watchmaker!

The first issue you might come across is the watch is running too fast or too slow. Having a timegrapher app, or a physical timegrapher, will be your friend here. You're going to record the watch in 6 positions: Dial Up, Dial Down, Crown Up, Crown Down, Crown Left, and Crown Right. Take note of how fast or slow the watch is running in each position after giving it about a minute to settle in. Write down your findings for each position. Also, pay attention to the Beat Error- this should, ideally, be under 1ms, and for best timekeeping, be under 0.5ms.

To change the watch's rate, you will be interfacing with the balance. **BE VERY CAREFUL.*\* If you mess up the hairspring, the watch will break and you will need to source a brand-new balance wheel. There are two movable posts (see Fig. 1) that adjust the rate and beat error. Work with the watch on the timegrapher to see in real-time what your adjustments do. You do not need to move the posts very much at all to change the rate, so push very gently and give the watch about a minute to settle in again and see what your adjustment did. Then work from there. Carefully manipulate the posts until you have something that runs close to +/- 0 sec/day in all 6 positions.

Fig. 1- Move these posts to adjust the speed of the watch!

Another issue you might have is your date wheel is off-centered or doesn't turn properly. If that's the case, first try advancing the date using the date crown position, then using the time-setting position to advance 24 hours. If it still doesn't work, loosen the dial a little and see if that causes it to work. It may be that your dial is on too tightly and is rubbing against the date wheel. If that solves it, you can try getting a dial washer that will provide a little extra clearance between the calendar works and the dial to let the wheel spin freely. If not, take it to your local watchmaker and see if they'll work on it.

You may also find that your caseback doesn't properly accommodate the automatic winding rotor (if you have an automatic watch). If that's the case, you may need to swap the rotor, or the case. Also, make sure the rotor is fully tightened down, as if it has come loose, it might present this problem. You could try filing down the rotor slightly after removing it from the watch, but if you remove too much material, it may not wind properly due to lack of weight. Your best bet is to try a different rotor or case.

The last common issue is hands not working properly. See if removing the movement from the case helps the issue. Make sure the hand stack has proper clearance. Advance the time 12 hours to make sure the hands aren't catching on any of the dial furniture or on each other. If it stops working again when inside the case, you likely have a clearancing issue, and may need to get another case or a slightly more domed crystal.

If you have any other issues, please feel free to ask the community, ask us, or try the wealth of knowledge on a sub like r/watchrepair!


r/watchmodding • • 7d ago

Begginer’s Guide - Read this first

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Hi everyone,

There have been a few changes to the sub recently. We’ve noticed an influx of newcomers into the hobby and want to make this space a safe and welcoming one for all hobbyists, new and veteran.

Feel free to comment below with any addenda, additional resources, movement and compatibility guides, tools, etc. that you’d recommend newcomers get and try. I’ve intentionally activated the option to respond with videos, photos and GIF to make interactions easier. Let’s make this space collaborative and friendly.

Please keep the conversation on-topic and refrain from promotional materials or sales of courses, goods or services in this sub - there are other places to do that elsewhere on Reddit, doing this here will result in post removal, repeat offenders will get banned.

Without further ado, here’s the ultimate guide to starting on the hobby.

Building Your First Watch — A Beginner’s Guide

Hi there, and welcome to the hobby!

This guide is for anyone building their first watch. The learning curve is steep, but that’s part of the fun. This should get you through your first build; after that, the community is a great resource, particularly when you start experimenting with different movements, cases and dials.

I’m assuming zero prior knowledge. You’ll probably know some of this already, but everyone’s blind spots are different.

Before buying anything, spend some time reading the wealth of knowledge here and on watch forums. Watch a few YouTube videos explaining the different movements available and, most importantly, which parts are compatible with each movement. I’ll be including resources below as the community shares and suggests.

What will it cost?

Like any hobby, there’s an entry cost. Roughly £180–230 (GBP because that’s my local currency; convert to your own) should get you the tools and parts to test the waters and build your first watch.

Expect to wait around a month for everything to arrive.

There are better tools, equipment and parts available, but prices escalate quickly. Unless you have more disposable income than common sense when trying something for the first time, start cheap and upgrade as you need to.

For your first watch, make it easy on yourself. The process is fiddly enough without deliberately making it harder, set yourself up for an easy win.

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TOOLS

These are the basic tools of the trade. Unless stated otherwise, I consider all of them mandatory.

Spring bar tool

For changing straps and adding/removing pins from bracelets.

Anti-magnetic precision tweezers

For moving, adjusting and manipulating small parts. I recommend silicone or ceramic.

Rodico

A soft, Blu Tack-like material for picking up fiddly parts and cleaning dials, cases and hands.

I got a ball from my local watch repair shop for free. If the hobby sticks, buy your own later.

Movement holder

Universal and movement-specific versions are available. I prefer movement-specific holders.

Most are cylinders that accommodate one movement on one side and another on the other.

Inflatable rubber ball

Roughly hand-sized.

Your first watch will probably have a screw-down caseback. A rubber ball lets you press the caseback on securely without relying on your hands. Cheap metal caseback openers are also available.

Hand applicators

I have five different sizes. These let you safely install the hands onto the dial.

Precision clippers

You’ll need to cut things, and decent clippers make a difference.

Don’t buy Tamiya God Hands, but don’t cheap out either. Go to a hobby shop and ask for flat sprue clippers like those used for Warhammer and similar models.

Metal hobby file

After cutting, you need to smooth the end. A decent metal hobby file is the cheapest way to do this.

Threadlocker

A softer, super-glue-like product for securing metal parts such as the stem to the crown.

You’ll use very little, so one bottle will last a long time. Get the real stuff from Loctite; Loctite Blue, the medium-strength version, works best. This is the only brand I’m going to name in this tutorial, there’s good reason for it.

Gasket lubricant

The caseback gasket needs to be lubricated to help with waterproofing.

Watchmaker’s blower

For blowing dust off the movement, dial, case, etc.

A microfibre cloth, like the one you use for your phone screen or sunglasses, is also useful.

Finger cots or latex gloves

Unless you want to cover tiny parts with fingerprints that you’ll see every time you look at your lovely watch.

Caliper

Preferably digital.

“Measure twice, cut once” applies particularly well here. Cutting a stem a fraction of a millimetre too short can turn into an expensive mistake.

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That’s the bare minimum. All together, it should cost around £100.

Yes, half of your initial budget just went on tools.

Luckily, the consumables can be bought cheaply.

TOOLS TO BUY LATER

If the hobby sticks:

Hand-applicating tools

Not necessary for your first assembly, but useful later. You can centre the watch and depress the pillar for perfect hand application every time.

Magnifying loupes and a good light source

I’m blessed with good eyesight and plenty of natural light, so I haven’t needed these yet.

They can be very useful if you build at night or have less-than-perfect eyesight.

Timegrapher

If you’re anything like me, you probably won’t buy the finest and most precise Swiss movement for your first assembly because you’ll be terrified of making an expensive mistake.

Cheaper movements are less accurate, and learning to adjust timekeeping is a fun part of the hobby.

Don’t buy one immediately. There are phone apps you can use at first, but keep it in mind.

Watch press

Most of your initial builds will use screw-on casebacks, so a rubber ball and caseback opener will do.

Eventually, you’ll build a watch with a press-fit caseback. A watch press isn’t expensive, but it isn’t a minute-one purchase either.

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PARTS

For your first build, you’ll need consumables that you’ll generally use once per watch.

You can spend a lot or a little. For your first watch, I’d recommend going cheap on AliExpress and deciding later whether you want to invest in better parts.

Movement: Seiko NH35

The NH35 is your friend.

It’s popular for good reason: huge parts availability, a massive community, lots of shared knowledge, and a simple, beginner-friendly platform. It’s also cheap.

Can you use a Chinese clone?

Absolutely. For a first watch, they make fantastic training wheels. They have the same architecture, although they’ll generally be less smooth and less accurate.

For your first build, I don’t think that matters much.

Expect roughly £25–30 for a clone or around £70 for an authentic one these days. You can also buy a cheap watch with an NH35 inside and crack it open, it will often be cheaper than buying the movement direct.

What if you want to go even cheaper for my first build? Then swap every instance of “NH35” in this tutorial for either “VH31” or “Miyota 2035”, you’ll end up with a lovely quartz watch that will likely be a lot thinner. I’m using NH35 in this example, simply because most people coming into the hobby want to try making an automatic watch.

Dial

Get one compatible with the NH35. They’re normally 28.5 mm in diameter and available in an enormous range of styles.

Find one you like. Prices vary enormously, so I won’t quote one here.

Hands

Get a set compatible with the NH35. The vast majority are.

The finer the hands, the more fiddly they are; the thicker they are, the easier they’ll be to install.

Pick something you like.

Case

Follow your own preference, but if you don’t know where to start…

If you’re an average-sized man, I’d recommend 38–39 mm without excessive lugs, or 40–41 mm for something sportier.

For an average-sized woman, 31–34 mm has been the norm for a while, although 35–37 mm is becoming increasingly common.

Your first watch will also be thicker than you expect—around 14 mm or so. That’s the price of having a rotor and buying cases off the shelf. Don’t worry about it, you can do thinner builds with the NH family or other movements later on.

A cheap AliExpress case should be around £25–30 at most; better cases can cost hundreds.

Strap

Get one you like.

For your first watch, I recommend leather with quick-release spring bars. They’re cheap and easy to work with.

Have an old watch you no longer use? There’s your free strap.

Just make sure the strap width matches the distance between the lugs on your case.

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BEFORE YOU BUILD

Go to a local watch dealer and look at watches with few complications beyond date.

Look particularly closely at field watches, cocktail watches and dress watches. Take pictures and note down styles that inspire you. You’ll use those ideas when choosing your parts.

Then go online and watch people assembling NH35 watches.

Honestly, that’s most of the education you need.

You’ll learn very quickly not just how to assemble a watch, but also where you want your own watchmaking journey to go.

For me, I became obsessed with less common movements and silly complications like battery reserve and moon phase, which eventually took me away from the NH35.

For you, it might be Swiss heritage movements, leading you towards Sellita/ETA. Maybe skeleton watches. Maybe chronographs. Maybe an “a watch for every occasion” collection. Maybe copying famous designs using off-the-shelf movements.

It could be something completely different.

That’s fine. The important thing is that, once the initial paralysis wears off, you’ll have a better idea of what you actually want to build.

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MAKING YOUR FIRST WATCH

1. Prepare the movement

Keep the crown/stem installed while handling the movement.
Set the movement on the movement holder.

2. Install the dial

Check that the dial feet correspond to the NH35.
Lower the dial vertically onto the movement.
Secure the dial feet.
CRUCIAL: Never force the dial down. If it doesn’t seat naturally, stop and find out why.

3. Install the hands

Set the crown to Position 2 (setting the time), then advance the movement through midnight and establish the 12:00/date-change position.
Install the hour hand exactly at 12.
Install the minute hand exactly at 12.
Install the seconds hand.
CRUCIAL: Rotate the hands through a complete 12-hour cycle to check clearance after you set each one.
Make sure none of the hands touch each other or the dial.
Set the crown back to position 1 (winding), depress the lever and gently pull the stem out. It should be released easily, don’t try to force it out.
Clean the dial and movement.

4. Install the movement/dial into the case

Check the case gasket and clean internal surfaces.
Place the movement into the case in the correct orientation.
Fit the movement spacer/holder, if any.
Confirm the dial is sitting evenly and isn’t being pinched.
Do not install the case back yet.

5. Fit the movement/case components

Install any case clamps/screws.
Confirm the movement is firmly retained.
Check that the stem/crown tube lines up correctly.

6. Cut and install the stem

Insert the stem with its permanent crown.
Using your calipers, determine the required length before cutting.
Mark the cut point.
Remove the stem before cutting.
Cut slightly long, then progressively shorten it until the crown sits flush with the case
Deburr/file the end.
Install the crown.
CRUCIAL: Never force a stem that is too long or too short. The crown should sit correctly against the case while the movement still switches positions normally.

7. Test the crown positions

Crown pushed in: winding.
First pulled position: date adjustment.
Second pulled position: time setting.
Check that the date changes correctly and that the hands move normally.

8. Close the case

Check the caseback gasket.
Lightly lubricate it.
Seat the caseback.
Tighten it evenly with the rubber ball/caseback tool.
Don’t overtighten.

9. Install the strap

If it has quick-release spring bars, remove the spring bar and fit it into place with your hands.
Otherwise, use your spring bar tool.

10. Final inspection

Wind the movement.
Set the time.
Check the date change.
Check hand clearance again.
Check crown operation.
Check that the rotor rotates freely.
Inspect the dial/crystal for dust and fingerprints.
Only then consider the watch finished.

Congrats, you’ve finished your first watch!

From here you can either use the same family of movements and make different styles of watches, or you can experiment beyond the NH family.


r/watchmodding • • 8h ago

Playing with enamel

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This is a test, this only a test. Had it been a genuine horological emergency you would have been directed to Moser.


r/watchmodding • • 15h ago

Can't decide if these hands work(?)

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r/watchmodding • • 9h ago

Beginner advice

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Hey all, pretty new to the hobby, kinda been discouraged with my attempts though as I just cannot seem to get a good seal on my crystal. I know I need to keep at it and get better but in the mean time I'm curious what Ali brand watches you guys think would be worth purchasing as donors to maybe change up dials and hands, bezels, and bezel inserts etc to keep my motivation up while I get better. I recently bought a steeldive but Im fairly certain it has a wire retention bezel so I'm hoping someone can point me to models that are built more like a traditional Seiko that will be easier to accept Seiko mod parts if that makes sense. Thanks everyone


r/watchmodding • • 19h ago

SPB355 rock face alpinist mod?

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Does anyone have ideas on how or where to source the parts for a rock face alpinist dial? I’d like to build one in the namoki alpinist case


r/watchmodding • • 20h ago

94 Phantoms - Spinnaker Not Required

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r/watchmodding • • 22h ago

Can I change to right side from destro ?

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Hi guys!

Anyone know if I just open up the watch and put the pushers etc on the right side ?
Tks !


r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

What is a good BB58 case with good AR and decent bezel options?

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I got some Aliexpress cheapo and hate the crystal reflections. Before I spend more money, what case has a decent crystal with good AR and good proportions? The Namoki has the 38x31.5 bezel insert which I think it's too thick. I think the BB58 should have a thinner bezel. The Thorn case I see highly recommended and would get that one, but I want to use a GMT bezel with gold markers and the closest size seems to be 37.2mm, Thorn is 37mm so not sure it'll fit. Has anyone managed to put a GMT bezel on a Thorn case? If not what case would you recommend?


r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

STEM HEIGHTS WILL AFFECT THE WATCH? (NEWBIE HERE)

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Hey guys, I would like to ask, does 0.25mm stem height differences will affect the watch? I'm thinking about swapping Sea-gull ST1612 with Sea-gull ST2146 (ETA2836 clones) give me your thoughts and opinions.. thank you guys.


r/watchmodding • • 16h ago

Midnight Mocha. Three wrist shots, sunshine on the road, and that rich, warm dial behind the wheel. A little vintage soul, a little everyday attitude. Some watches just belong on the wrist when you’re out chasing the next drive.

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r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

NMK932 case mod

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r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

First 2 watches

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These are the first 2 watches I’ve built. Had custom dials made. Swapped one dial to the yellow one because it said Seiko and it wasn’t real.

I really like em. Let me know what you all think!


r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

Built my first three watches

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Just built my first three watches using the ST36 movements. I bought one of the normal movements and 2 skeleton movements.

They had very good amplitude on my timegrapher (300s on the horizontal and 250s-270s on the vertical on a lift angle of 47) so I didn't really have to service them myself. I did service a practice movement before and I feel like my oiling technique needs work as I dropped down to 260-270s on the horizontal and 220-230s on the verticals.

I also bought the Bergeon Etachron adjuster tool and got pretty decent regulation. I find that the crown down position on this movement just has wildly different rates than all the other positions.


r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

NH35 mod finished — black and white by day, full BGW9 at night

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r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

Guidance needed -

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So I've not even received all the parts I need for my first couple builds yet. But I'm planning something very special for my third go round and I was hoping someone could help me source the parts. I'm going to make 2 or 3 pieces related to the industry I'm in and gift them to people who have helped me get where I am. I've got a source for custom hands, rotors and dials. I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction for the movement, case and bracelet. I want these to be 42mm cases, similar to a yacht master. I want quality cases and oyster style bracelets. And a recommended movement for that case. I really don't care for the date window. I'm very unsure of my ability yet so something with the crystal already in it and maybe a crystal back included would be great. I'd appreciate any input at all here. Thank you!


r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

In search of a flatter crystal

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r/watchmodding • • 2d ago

What's up with the prices?

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I have a question about the NH35 movement. I built a few mods a couple of years ago (three, to be exact) and recently a friend asked me to build a watch for him. Back in my day, I only used the NH34, 35, and 36. I'm BLOWN AWAY! What happened to the prices? Are you guys still using these movements? Is there any non-quartz, more affordable alternative? Thanks, as always


r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

Sunshine, the open road, and Monaco Nero Heritage. Brushed steel, a black dial, and vintage character that speaks for itself. Understated, purposeful, and right at home behind the wheel.

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r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

How about Sugru for DIY movement holder

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Anyone tried using the moldable Sugru material to mod a movement holder in a case?


r/watchmodding • • 1d ago

So, Esslinger is not worth the risk.

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So I bought an Addiesdive Submariner clone. It has a very short(but very bright) set of mercedes handset on it, and I decided it might be fun to swap hands with some longer ones.

I purchased some sword hands from Esslinger for 5.95. I'm sure proper Swiss hands are more money, but I figured maybe 6 bux was the going rate for Chinesium hands. In the light the finishing looked excellent. But under the darklight, compare the performance of the Sword lume to the Mercedes hands of the Addiesdive, along with its indicies and bezel lume.

They were spotty as heck and the lume faded quickly.

The extra money for the shipping-sure, that was a given, but the absolute garbage quality of the lume compelled me to send it back. To which they said I needed to send the ones they sold me back, which I paid 8.60 to do.

The refund was the 5.95. I could see if I was trying to pull a fast one on them, but their hands were low quality.

So I'm out $15.33 in shipping and they are out NOTHING. I don't even have the crappy hands. I sent them back thinking they would refund me, or make me whole.

This was my first foray at watch modding, but Esslinger has turned me off watch modding.

This happened the first time I bought from them. So, a I feel no trust in their stock. What if they send some crap to me again and they dont back it up, and I'm out the shipping once again?

It's just not worth it. So I will tell you, do not order anything from Esslinger. They do not deserve my business.

The pic of the sword hands was taken under a blacklight. The Mercedes hands we not taken in any light at all(maybe some bathroom light). That is how bad the Esslinger hands are.


r/watchmodding • • 2d ago

First Build

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It took me 6 weeks from first order to finished prodct, but here it is. I'm 90% happy with it, but 100% committed to the hobby!
I discovered this was a doable hobby and went ham, I ordered and ordered and 2 weeks later I realized you gotta pay a lot of attention to compatibility, so I ordered some more. I have dials and hands out the ass!

Anyway, this is my first build.

My first move was to replace the white date ring with a black one on the NH35. The first screw I removed flew across the room, so suddenly I immediately went to another spare movement which is now for parts. I put the new date ring on and it wasn't turning right so I disassembled again and found a broken cog, which I replaced and got it all working.

Dial feet were removed, hands installed and everything was good, until I go to pop it into the case.. I installed everything for a 3oclock crown, but the case is a 3.8, so had to undo. I didn't have any dial dots (or even knew what they were) so I ordered a new dial. Occasionally I would pick up the dead watch in the case with no stem or crown and spin the rotor around just to see the seconds hand sweep (I've always had quartz watches).

Finally the new dial arrived so I was able to undo the last setup and install this dial, reinstall hands and seal it up. Finally able to wear it.

The H logo is my own, I ordered blue and black. 4mm, sort of with I did 3mm. It's a little big.

Overall I'm happy with it all, but if you've read this far you can listen to me pout a little too.
1. The lume on the dial sucks. Looks good under UV light, but doesn't work for shit in the dark
2. The hands aren't perfectly aligned to the hours, but it's not noticeable
3. The logo isn't perfectly aligned, but you gotta stare at it to see it, I think
4. I wish it had a crystal caseback, it's solid so I can't see the rotor spin
5. I put it on a tomegrapher and it's 8-9 spd fast, I'd like to regulate that but I'm not in a hurry. If I'm being honest, I probably won't.

Next watch is a field watch with a big 34mm face in a 40mm case. Of course my dial has a chapter ring built onto it and is too thick for the case, so need to order more again... BUT I LOVE IT!

I renovate houses for other people for a living, it's nice to do some difficult work on my own for myself. Great hobby!


r/watchmodding • • 2d ago

NH38 Presage Homage

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Made this one for a friend and even laser engraved their name on the dial!


r/watchmodding • • 2d ago

First mod: walking liberty half dollar coin dial

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OK so I took a watch that was originally a quartz walking liberty half dollar movement and disassembled. It took off the face dial hands and then bought a new watchcase strap and NH 35 TMI movement and New watch hands and created my first mod. I’m mostly happy how it came out. I think I could’ve oriented the dial a little bit better. I can see a little bit of a tilt walking liberty toward the future, which I guess in some ways might be a good omen, but otherwise I’m pretty happy with how it came out and I like this more than the quartz watch I originally had with the walking liberty which was way cheaper and didn’t feel appropriate to the coin. It was a bit tricky because the coin is not a 28.5 mm dial so having to find a case on Ali X that worked was a little bit of a challenge.


r/watchmodding • • 2d ago

Primeira montagem concluída! Mostrador Aventurine / Noite Estrelada movido por um Epson YN55A

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