r/unitedkingdom • u/JackStrawWitchita • 1d ago
First cod, now two popular fish and chip alternatives are under threat
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hake-haddock-colney-fish-chips-cod-b3066474.html86
u/Briggykins Devon 23h ago
It's hake (downgraded to amber) and coley (downgraded to red), to save you a click.
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u/Clbull England 1d ago
Meh, Cod kinda went downhill after Modern Warfare 2.
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u/Hungry_Horace Dorset 1d ago
This thread is becoming a real Battlefield.
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u/SeeJayThinks 23h ago
You're right, we need to Counter-Strike.
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u/POB_42 Northamptonshire 22h ago
Fortnite.
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u/filbert94 21h ago
Euro Truck Simulator 2
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u/POB_42 Northamptonshire 21h ago
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
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u/Electronic-Trip8775 23h ago
If that's your sole contribution, get out
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u/lordlycrust 23h ago
Stop it, you're giving me a haddock.
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u/lapsedPacifist5 22h ago
This is not the plaice for puns
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u/Flubadubadubadub 22h ago
Can I introduce Dimmies to this conversation (that'll get a few people scrabbling for Wikipedia)
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u/IsFreyaAnyGood 23h ago
Oh look, the consequences of decades over overfishing coming back to bite people, what a shock.
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u/mh1ultramarine 23h ago
I wasn't alive decades ago and rarely eat fish :(
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u/ButterMyMuffin Teesside 22h ago
Specifically, it’s all your fault
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u/mh1ultramarine 20h ago
Look it's a lot easier to be a marine biologist if there's no fish. I can just write 0 and call it a day /s
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u/PizzasForFerrets 20h ago
Well there's definitely no point in overfishing if you aren't even eating them. What a waste.
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u/RedTorquemada947 5h ago
WE FOUND THE CULPRIT!
Yeah, we know that people who deny are the ones secretly owning three fridges full of fish, a fish shaped table, and eat fish every hour. Got my eye on you….. 🐠
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u/Tioraidh25 Scotland 19h ago
Good news, they were not saying the consequences of a decision made decades ago but the consequence of a decision being made for decades.
Plenty of guilt to share in worry not.
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u/Denbt_Nationale 22h ago
If you have ever made a smug comment about how the fishing industry is "worth less than Warhammer" so giving away all of our fishing grounds to the EU was the right thing to do then you can't complain now about overfishing.
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u/IsFreyaAnyGood 22h ago
Overfishing would have happened regardless (because you know, its literally a global problem happening all over the world, is the EU doing it all?) and frankly its so unbelievable that you actually think otherwise its really obvious you're just trying to shoehorn in your political beliefs where they are irrelevant.
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u/Denbt_Nationale 16h ago
In the Celtic Sea, France gets nearly three times the British allocation of Dover sole, roughly four times more cod and five times more haddock. France has 84 per cent of the quota for cod in the English Channel, while Britain has only 9 per cent.
European fishermen take 173 times more herring, 45 times more whiting, 16 times more mackerel and 14 times more haddock and cod out of UK waters than British fishermen do.
https://britishseafishing.co.uk/brexit-and-britains-fisheries/
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u/IsFreyaAnyGood 15h ago
Are you implying we wouldnt take the same overall amount all for ourselves? We would. Stop inserting your geopolitical agenda in to what is an environmental disaster.
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u/Denbt_Nationale 15h ago
Why would we? Fishing takes are entirely controlled by quotas, and if the government cared enough to give all the EU quotas to UK boats then they wouldn't have given them away to EU boats to begin with.
Also, how do you reconcile the argument that British fishing is a small and failing industry with the argument that British boats would all of a sudden catch and sell for example 173x more Herring overnight if EU quotas were taken away?
Also, what exactly do you want to happen? I'm pointing out how we can reduce quotas in a way that has zero impact on the British fishing industry, you are arguing against this for some reason. What do you want to happen instead?
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u/IsFreyaAnyGood 15h ago
Becuase there is demand for it? Those EU fishing boats are making money doing it, so why would you think the UK fishing industry WOULDNT pick up massively if we suddenly had the rights to all that fish, in fact isnt that literally what you are trying to advocate for.
Again, you are litterally taking what is a global issue happening almost everywhere and trying to hamfistedly shove your anti EU rhetoric onto it. Yes you are correct, the UK fishing industry would be doing way better if we had sole rights to all those waters, but you are delusional if you think we would not still be overfishing.
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u/Denbt_Nationale 15h ago
After Brexit we banned sandeel fishing to protect coastal ecosystems that had been decimated by Danish trawlers, which held around 97% of the sandeel quota. The EU took us to court to try and get the ban reversed but they were dismissed.
Given you claim that we would simply take over any fishing quotas we took from the EU and continue overfishing ourselves, and that it's "delusional' to expect anything different, why did this happen? Why did we implement a fishing ban to protect our marine ecosystems rather than just taking over the quota and expanding our fishing industry?
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u/IsFreyaAnyGood 15h ago
I suppose you also think because we do some recycling that we are totally green and good on climate change issues? The fact we did one tiny thing (that took 28 years of campaigning to achieve, according to the RSPB) does not change the nature of the global problem. The lengths you people will go to avoid even the slightest amount of introspection is actually staggering.
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u/Denbt_Nationale 15h ago
So can you post any examples of the opposite happening? Where the UK used it's new post Brexit sovereignty over fishing quotas to expand British fishing and continue taking the same catches at unsustainable levels with British boats? Since you believe my example is some insignificant outlier then it shouldn't be hard for you to find an example of the opposite scenario that you imagine will happen playing out? Right?
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u/Glass-Cabinet-249 21h ago
It actually made me invest in GW a few years ago, my stonks are currently on a Great Crusade as plastic crack continues to deliver truly world beating results.
Fish on the other hand is... Well.
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u/Happy_Disaster7347 20h ago
B-b-b-but we were supposed to base our entire economy on fishing after Brexit???? Who could have predicted this????
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u/wdwhereicome2015 18h ago
Not the person who campaigned on this by going up the Thames in a fishing boat or was part of the fisheries commission in the EU whilst he was MEP (though rarely turned …just like his National Parliament)
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u/ShinyElisabeth77 15h ago
No. We bought a lot of cod from Russia, and then Putin decided to burn the neighbouring country, so we stopped using their fish. And our fishers have higher salaries.
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u/IsFreyaAnyGood 15h ago
Can you actually be this thick? Russia (and basically everyone) is also overfishing, buying fish from them to reduce price isnt making the problem go away, its kicking it down the line. You people will really do anything but examine the very real fact our (our in the global sense here) society is blatantly unsustainable.
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u/ShinyElisabeth77 14h ago
I’m more concerned with wars and inequality than with imaginary problems like “overfishing”.
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u/IsFreyaAnyGood 14h ago
I mean if you think overfishing is imaginary I have like, 50 bridges to sell you.
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u/Barkasia 1d ago
Hobby fishermen were calling this out for decades and were called conspiracists.
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u/TheLightStalker 23h ago
I wonder at which point the headlines will be: Global warning and climate changes risks food security. Because they way we're going it's going to be sooner than we expected.
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u/Sunshinetrooper87 23h ago
My cousin's fish out of Peterhead and their fishing grounds for the standard desirable fish have been moving degrees north for years.
Our waters are warmer and these fish want colder water.
However, this does open the arguement for eating more local caught stuff. It's crazy when I go inspect fish markets for work and I see the vast quantity of fish caught that simply isn't sold in the UK.
We should be eating more sea bugs and sea chickens.
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u/AkihabaraWasteland 1d ago
That's not the problem to the industry.
The issue is affordability. Restaurant prices for take away of varied quality.
There are always alternatives that come and go in terms of the fish used.
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u/AwTomorrow 1d ago
It seems in order to maintain perceived value at the vastly inflated price they’ve taken to giving wayyyy too many chips. It’s genuinely a hassle these days, we often get away with ordering one portion of chips for three people and that’s more than enough.
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u/SeoulGalmegi 1d ago
The place near me gives people chips when they are waiting. And yeah, one portion is enough for two. So we buy accordingly. Which does kind of seem like they're leaving money on the table, because if chips were a lot smaller and slightly cheaper I'd quite happily buy two portions for two people, paying more and getting an equivalent amount of chips.
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u/mittenkrusty 23h ago
Not up my way, portions of chips have shrunk and lower quality i.e even chippy chips are dry when reheating them.
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u/StunnedMoose Angus 23h ago
What kind of barbarian reheats chips?
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u/FireFingers1992 United Kingdom 22h ago
Proper chippy chips airfryer up lovely. I over order to give me left overs to allow for it.
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u/StunnedMoose Angus 20h ago
Didn’t think about an air fryer in fairness. My mind automatically went to a microwave
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u/PeterG92 Essex 22h ago
My local seems to have changed their battered sausages to sausage roll type filling. Is grim.
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u/mittenkrusty 22h ago
Yeah I used to love battered haggis or black pudding but even that has become tasteless and dry. basically anything in batter.
Not sure if it's something to do with the batter or oil but the places I go the food isn't the same as a few years ago.
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u/Sunshinetrooper87 23h ago
A few years ago we had a potato crises and the portions got way smaller.
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u/confuzzledfather 21h ago
There is no such thing as way too many chips. Having too many chips is the foundation upon which every chip shop order must be placed, other wise I never return
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u/ArtichokeFar6601 19h ago
After the failed potato crop of this year due to the drought, we'd be filling up on the salt and vinegar packets.
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u/SensitivePotato44 23h ago
Couldn’t have anything to do with refusing to listen to scientists instead of the fishing industry?
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u/Denbt_Nationale 22h ago
The fishing industry that has routinely called for an end to the relentless overfishing by EU boats in British waters?
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u/DaveG28 19h ago
Aren't they upset at who is doing the overfishing rather than it being overfished at all?
Also one thing I could very rarely ever find - were the fishing industry also calling to stop UK board being able to plunder EU waters? Or was it a one way thing?
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u/hempires 19h ago
Aren't they upset at who is doing the overfishing rather than it being overfished at all?
yes.
the argument was essentially "we want to catch what the EU fishermen are currently catching".
it was never a "we need to catch less overall to conserve the fish population and prevent overfishing" argument.
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u/radiant_0wl 1d ago
Somewhat counter to the headline, I think it's largely good news, less common fish been downgraded, whilst more ommon ones been green rated.
Seems okay to eat UK haddock, if you can afford it.
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u/Hungry_Horace Dorset 23h ago
Haddock and herring are green rated, tuna has recovered. Almost all the other common fish we eat, including cod still, are seeing worrying drops in numbers. How is this largely good news?
I tend to haddock nowadays but I'd happily eat pollock or hake but certainly here in the south it's never on offer.
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u/radiant_0wl 23h ago
Almost all the other common fish we eat, including cod still, are seeing worrying drops in numbers. How is this largely good news?
Because when you just focus on the changes, it's positive, yes we aren't there yet for some fish, but there's more good than bad in this story.
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u/Nemisis_the_2nd 21h ago
My problem with that rating system is that it still relies on the concept of maximum sustainable yield, which is how much fish you can haul out the sea without leading to population collapse. It's better than purely MSY, but still derived from it. Something can be considered "green" with populations potentially as low as 30% of the ecosystems carrying capacity for that species.
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u/PeterG92 Essex 22h ago
Government run fisheries for stock of certain fish, with some of the proceeds going to local fisherman seems the next step. Or is that cuckoo?
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u/Y_ddraig_gwyn 15h ago
I can’t help but think there is a link between “popular” and “under threat”…
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u/Amused-Turtle Greater Manchester 22h ago
Always eat haddock instead of cod, cod is full of parasites, the stuff that has too many parasites gets sent to Portugal and Spain to get tinned
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u/Sunshinetrooper87 23h ago
My cousin's fish out of Peterhead and their fishing grounds for the standard desirable fish have been moving degrees north for years.
Our waters are warmer and these fish want colder water.
However, this does open the arguement for eating more local caught stuff. It's crazy when I go inspect fish markets for work and I see the vast quantity of fish caught that simply isn't sold in the UK.
We should be eating more sea bugs and sea chickens.
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u/Valuable-Flounder692 23h ago
3 packs of Cod Fillet from Iceland £12.00 or Haddock, or Seabass, Salmon fillets all remarkable quality 4 Fillets in each pack!
2 smallish Fillets usually tail end from M&S usually about 7 or 8 quid!
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u/Maesterbajter 1d ago
Just have a kebab instead it is more modern. Times change.
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u/barnaboos 23h ago
Theres records of kebabs that stretch back atleast 2000 years. I'm not sure that's what I'd describe as "modern".
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u/Logical_Box_4645 23h ago
Does were made of lamb, camel, etc.
Modern kebabs are entirely different.
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u/barnaboos 23h ago
A doner kebab is a doner kebab regardless of the meat. The term doner refers to the spit and the slicing of the meat, that has been around for atleast 2000 years. Kofte etc have been around equally as long and meat is also irrelevant. Same as Gyros means "rotate" in Greek.
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u/Maesterbajter 23h ago
You didnt find any kebabs here 2000 years ago ate. Probably not even 50 years ago.
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u/barnaboos 23h ago
Just because bossman didn't open a shop in your town until 50 years ago doesn't mean they didn't exist until then.
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u/GrimQuim Scotland 1d ago
it is more modern
Holy shit, did you workshop kebabs to get that adjective?
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u/thashicray Battersea Nederlander 23h ago
Mate, you are like Richard E Grant in How to Get A Head in Advertising.
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