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MATCH THREAD: "The Panorama Interviews with Nick Robinson - Sir Keir Starmer, Labour" (Friday 14th June, 7:30pm - 8pm)
This is the match thread for The Panorama Interviews with Nick Robinson - Sir Keir Starmer, Labour. Please keep all live discussion about this debate in this thread, rather than the main daily megathread.
Nick Robinson interviews Sir Keir Starmer in the run-up to the general election.
Watch:
- On TV: BBC One
- Online: BBC iPlayer, or the programme page after broadcast
What's next?
Nick Robinson will be interviewing two more party leaders in the coming weeks:
- Tuesday 18 June, 22:40 - Adrian Ramsay, Green Party
- Friday 28 June, 20:30 - Sir Ed Davey, Liberal Democrats
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Jun 14 '24
Keir has knocked this out the park
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u/Anticlimax1471 Trade Union Member - Social Democrat Jun 14 '24
Shame no one normal will watch it because the football is on.
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u/LanguidLoop Simple answers for simple people Jun 14 '24
It's more about the sound bites than the actual interview
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u/Ankleson Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
Kier nailed the private healthcare question so well that there was zero pushback from Nick, well done.
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u/wonkey_monkey Jun 14 '24
"So do you think people who use private healthcare are evil?"
"No."
"...oh."
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
"I am prepared to make enemies of anyone to sort this fuckery. I have a short example you're not going to interrupt you bastard."
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u/NoFrillsCrisps Jun 14 '24
If nothing else, he comes across as reassuringly sensible. Which I imagine is pretty much what a lot of undecided voters want.
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u/Reformed_citpeks Jun 14 '24
I've been very unimpressed in Starmer during debates and interviews so far (his Q&As with the public have been good though) but IMO he was almost flawless in this. These questions aren't easy because they are bringing up genuine issues voters might have, and I think that his answers will come accross as largley reassuring to the people asking those questions, or at least didn't make him look super robotic and unauthentic.
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u/SDLRob Jun 14 '24
Nick is enjoying being able to have a proper verbal spar here...
Keir coming across well i think. sensible, measured.... not the crazies we've had with the last few Tories
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u/fatherfucking Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
Everyone knows that Starmer will do a Putin and invade Scotland on his first day in power
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u/ThePlanck Time to bin Farage Jun 14 '24
Alex Salmond has just gone to the shops to buy some blue paint
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u/Separate-End7292 Jun 14 '24
This feels generally like Keir is having his defining moment of the campaign so far. Broadly good, solid answers, being allowed to expand and control some of the narrative, and looking the part to boot.
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u/GuyLookingForPorn Jun 14 '24
This is exactly how we should do political interviews, calmy have a conversation, hold them to account, but give them the room to explain their position. That Sky interview was a joke, it looks like a child’s nativity in comparison to how the BBC did it.
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u/jockstrap_joe Jun 14 '24
Starmer is far more composed than Sunak. The questions from Nick are softer this time round but, in any case, it's obvious that Starmer is more Prime Ministerial in terms of his demeanour
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u/zeldafan144 Jun 14 '24
I think that the questions will naturally seem softer as there is much less ammo really.
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u/No-Lake-8973 Jun 14 '24
I'm not certain they were softer, I think Nick Robinson is equally horrible to everyone he interviews.
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u/gingeriangreen Jun 14 '24
Starmer nailed it, I feel he had a bit of an easier time than Sunak, but I don't think the ammo was there. Also very clever of labour to delay until the manifesto was released, it meant he could lean back on that. It does help that Keir has more life experience than Sunak
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u/RockinMadRiot Things Can Only Get Wetter Jun 14 '24
I noticed that Starmer is confident because he feels most of the services are mismanaged and wants to reform and change them to work better rather than spend money on them. Pretty much, make sure the money they are getting is going to the right places. I don't know how effective that might be but I feel like it's a good idea.
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
Loving the side by side
"Tony hasn't got his tie done up"
Great line, just shows the professionalism in the workmanship.
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u/benbread Jun 14 '24
Do you really expect anything less from the son of a toolmaker?
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u/jt372 Jun 14 '24
I'm biased. And most people won't watch this interview, partly I feel due to the 'dull' and 'boring' image that's been painted. But I feel as though Starmer smashed that, miles ahead of Sunak.
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u/Ankleson Jun 14 '24
Starmer nailed it honestly, genuinely fielded each and every question really well - even the ones that felt like intentional "gotcha" moments.
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u/FunkyDialectic Jun 14 '24
Some really base level gotchas. Think Nick actually psychologically conceded towards the end.
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u/ThorsRake Jun 14 '24
Yeah he never got remotely flustered, answered everything confidently and matter-of-factly, didn't put a foot wrong really.
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u/Fatal-Strategies Jun 14 '24
Short answer:
He owned that.
I much prefer this format to the playground of the debates
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u/SweatyMammal Jun 14 '24
I feel like that’s the first time this election cycle where Starmer has been given the space by a journalist to answer questions like a normal person. Aced it.
Crazy it’s taken 3 weeks to get here but there we are.
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u/jonkadelic Jun 14 '24
It's infuriating that politicians are never allowed to say "I had one opinion then, now the situation has changed and I've changed my opinion with it."
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u/GenieBishop Jun 14 '24
Great interviewing from Nick Robinson, and very well answered from Starmer for the most part. Came across as a sensible leader ready for government, even if their offering isn't blowing me away.
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u/NoFrillsCrisps Jun 14 '24
These interviews aren't really about the answers. They are about how they come across. And, to me at least, it's night and day in terms of how confident, calm and sensible Starmer seems in comparison to Sunak.
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u/FunkyDialectic Jun 14 '24
It's both but yeah, we're mostly sat here judging his character, conviction.
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Jun 14 '24
Pretty good performance from Starmer. I liked that he said he's willing to make enemies on planning. Let's see if he lives up to the promise. This is the one thing I'm holding onto in my support for Labour. Otherwise will have to seriously re-evaluate my party preferences next time.
If the economic pie is not going to get bigger, then might as well do my best to secure my slice.
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u/Trousers_of_time Yeet the Tories! Jun 14 '24
Just catching up on this. He's much better in an interview format than a debate, when allowed to actually talk without being interrupted every 10 seconds, he does well.
I do wish he'd be a bit blunter, a bit less political though. When he was asked about the differences between his manifesto now and when he ran for leader, I wish he'd just say "Liz Truss happened, the economy imploded, how could I possibly promise the same things now as then"
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u/jt372 Jun 14 '24
Getting the sense that Starmer is getting a bit bored/frustrated of these questions being asked so often; feel like he's actively trying to stay calm, not seen that before. Wonder if anyone else thinks the same?
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
Yeah I saw it in the first debate, when he closes his eyes and clenches his jaw he's evidently working overtime to not react, and he's very good at it.
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u/Nomerdoodle Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
From a Labour perspective, am I wrong in thinking that this is...fine? Tough interview, sure, but fairly okay answers and nothing disastrous like Rishi's with Nick Robinson was.
edit: grammar is hard, yo
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid 🦆🔊 Jun 14 '24
Come on Nick, "no more illegal wars and we will try to avoid direct military conflict where it can be prevented" is obviously not the same as "we would never, ever take military defensive actions at home or abroad"
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u/PatheticMr Jun 14 '24
Starmer did brilliantly there. I am very confident in him as the (hopefully) next PM.
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u/ThorsRake Jun 14 '24
Pretty impressed with Starmer. Cool as a cucumber and answered succinctly and confidently.
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Jun 14 '24
Tough way to end the interview, but fantastic job, and great final line about standing on his record.
Bravo Keir
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u/koalazeus Jun 14 '24
Pretty good interview especially compared to the one on one or group debates. I wonder if he can get better at those before the election.
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Jun 14 '24
He's best in these situations cause Rishi isn't there screaming BUT WHAT WILL YOU DO KEIR? WHAT ABOUT THE TAX? WHAT ABOUT THE BOATS? NO PLAN NO PLAN
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u/GoonerGetGot Jun 14 '24
I understand people like Nick questioning small changes, but he would also be the first to criticize big changes proclaiming reckless unfunded spending.
I see the small changes as Labour being honest and not promising the world when it just isn't feasible.
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u/Separate-End7292 Jun 14 '24
Much better answer on the Corbyn question than he did with Rigby, Nick actually let him develop the point.
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid 🦆🔊 Jun 14 '24
Nick doing a pretty good demonstration of how to press politicians on issues, while also letting them get a sentence out
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
Yeah better but not sharp yet, not that it'll massively matter
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u/Nymzeexo Jun 14 '24
Not many people likely to watch these interviews, but Starmer is outperforming Sunak for sure.
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u/ML1996 Jun 14 '24
Does anybody care about these Corbyn questions? I can only imagine a small number who won't vote Labour do
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u/AttitudeAdjuster bop the stoats Jun 14 '24
Man supports party leader is a big fucking scoop. We really do need to spend 10 minutes on it.
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u/Ill-Distribution-330 Gordon Brown stan account Jun 14 '24
Got to be his best moment of the campaign so far, right?
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u/79948 Jun 14 '24
How did it go? Stuck in work and cant catch it. Is the ming vase still intact?
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u/ThorsRake Jun 14 '24
Starmer was cool, calm, collected and answered questions succinctly and sensibly.
Impressed tbh. He spoke like a confident leader of a party as opposed to the flustered and petulant man-child Sunak came across at times.
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u/Gr1msh33per Jun 14 '24
Or the ranting, foaming racist that is Mr Toad and his lynchmob of xenophobes.
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u/cityexile Jun 14 '24
I have said it before, but we love electing car salesman. Keir is more of a car mechanic. Less polished in some ways but more likely to start fixing the bloody thing!
I see this with the manifesto. There is actually a fair amount ‘under the bonnet’ that is not getting that much coverage such as changes to planning laws, that are actually hugely important.
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u/FunkyDialectic Jun 14 '24
Wouldn't say he's unpolished.
It could be argued that Blair's shine was appealing at first but soon wore off once in power for a few years. Farage is short form so anything beyond a few sentences and he falls apart.
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u/cityexile Jun 14 '24
I agree, but he not as flowing as a Blair, or dare I say a Boris or Farage. I like that. I actually do think he is dead serious about growth, and the interests he will have to take on to unlock it. Starmer is more convincing when he is able to develop a point, less good at the ‘solve world hunger, 30 seconds, go!’ type format.
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u/FunkyDialectic Jun 14 '24
After that interview I'm a lot more convinced. I suspect turning the rhetoric up to 11 and laying on the schmooze doesn't really fit the times. People are cynical and have low expectations, too many promises broken, especially in the North.
The public offering is way more expansive than New Labours but it's being sold in a calm and collected way.
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u/MaxwellsGoldenGun Jun 14 '24
Id say he was the mechanic in a Volvo dealership though. Nothing too flashy but perfectly sensible
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u/SweatyMammal Jun 14 '24
This interview is going to be breeze compared to Sunak’s. Very civil so far.
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u/-fireeye- Jun 14 '24
Interesting that Starmer seemed open to restoring the Cameron-era convention of Commons votes on military action; small part but honestly glad after May/Sunak's departure.
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u/RockinMadRiot Things Can Only Get Wetter Jun 14 '24
It's better that way. Ed Miliband helped us with the Syria situation. David Cameron was right to put it to a vote.
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u/Ill-Distribution-330 Gordon Brown stan account Jun 14 '24
Definitely, he seemed to be avoiding a lot of the safe, canned lines we've heard before and completely nailed some answers to difficult questions. Both Starmer and Nick Robinson seemed to be enjoying the back and forth as well.
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u/gingeriangreen Jun 14 '24
No tool making. I need to know what his dad made. And he didn't bring it up once. There are drinking games around the country that were ruined tonight. (Drinking games for sad political weirdos, but nonetheless...)
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u/Ill-Distribution-330 Gordon Brown stan account Jun 14 '24
The population of UKPol currently has its lowest BAC since the election was called.
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u/AttitudeAdjuster bop the stoats Jun 14 '24
Candidate for PM appears to be calm and intelligent. It's a bit of a shocker these days but that's really about it.
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u/NoFrillsCrisps Jun 14 '24
Was a good interview - challenging but he let him speak and explain his answers.
He came across very well - best performance of the campaign in my opinion.
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Jun 14 '24
Just catching up now, the direct yes answer to the planning question regarding making enemies was brilliant. I actually didn't see that coming, thought he would give a typical politicians answer. Actually made me sit up slightly.
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u/h00dman Welsh Person Jun 15 '24
He's the sort of politician that people say they've always wanted (working class background, had a career before politics, gives brave answers to difficult questions), but now he's here people find/invent things to complain about.
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u/ML1996 Jun 14 '24
He looked like he enjoyed pretending to pull a lever there. He is human!!
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u/Geek-Of-Nature Jun 14 '24
Nick Robinson is like "Listen to me talk for a minute or so, and then you've got five seconds to give me the yes/no answer I want or I'm interrupting."
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u/popeter45 Jun 14 '24
Been away from the internet today, what's the tldr of today's events?
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u/americagiveup Jun 14 '24
Scotland getting pumped, Ryan Porteous getting sent down for GBH
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u/MaxwellsGoldenGun Jun 14 '24
I'm really surprised that he didn't break his ankle, absolutely horrific challenge
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u/EquivalentIsopod7717 Jun 15 '24
I had Labour canvassers doorstep me on Thursday evening. They said that if I was a floating voter then don't waste it on the Tories. Didn't seem too bothered about the idea of someone voting for any other party.
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u/MrTimofTim Septuple Lock Plus Jun 14 '24
I wonder if we might FINALLY find out the vocation of Keir’s father.
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u/cpmh1234 Jun 14 '24
I just don’t understand the obsession with this manifesto not promising much change. The old left would have wet themselves with excitement if Miliband had been as bold on energy or transport, but I think Corbyn’s massive pledges have changed the way we think about Labour policy overall.
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u/Droodforfood Jun 14 '24
Honestly I just want the manifest to promise “we’re just going to work on not making things suck as badly as they do now. Here’s our ideas”
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Jun 14 '24
Surely it's better to make small promises you can actually deliver on than big promises you never will in the 5 years?
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u/tb5841 Jun 15 '24
I know slot of ex Tory voters who are going Labour this election, for the first time ever. They all want Tory-Lite.
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u/Sooperfreak Larry 2024 Jun 14 '24
Corbyn's
massive pledgesunworkable fantasiesFTFY. But seriously, Corbyn remains the worst thing to have happened to the left by creating utterly unrealistic expectations.
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u/koalazeus Jun 14 '24
We're all on the side of Jamie Oliver and Victoria Beckham. Such a weird thing to keep bringing up.
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u/FromThePaxton Jun 14 '24
LOL! Was a choice that made me laugh. Well actually Nick, imho, I think most people would happly see Jamie Oliver pay more tax if not the both of them. Perhaps a 'rich cringe' tax.
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u/jimmy011087 Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
Spoke an incredible amount of sense, especially on the manifestos. Every time, we get the tired old over promise, under deliver and inevitably the popularity wanes and party politics starts up again. He’s completely right to state that growth is the only way out of the box he’s in on the tax/spend dilemma.
It’s a shame it’s not the likes of me he’s trying to swing (and I’m not even voting Labour).
Might sound a bit arrogant of me, but it seems his toughest problem is to try cut through to people not quite so switched on with politics that just want an easy and convenient answer to everything.
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u/ObstructiveAgreement Jun 14 '24
Starmer has cruised this, Robinson has tried to catch him out on things but not done so. This gotcha style interviewing is such an odd thing we have to experience.
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u/No-Scholar4854 Jun 14 '24
I disagree that they’ve been gotcha questions.
They’ve been quite pointed about inconsistencies in Starmer’s position, but he’s been letting Starmer deliver quite long points. I think Starmer will be pretty happy with the questions
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u/MindedOwl Jun 14 '24
Yeah it's getting ridiculous. Especially with Starmer being literally one of the best lawyers in the country, the guy isn't gonna make dumb mistakes with his words.
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Jun 14 '24
I mean it's only fair since he grilled Rishi. Keir just showed him up.
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u/GoonerGetGot Jun 14 '24
Imagine calling the manifesto 'Change' and then being told "You've changed your mind over the last 5 years"
Well yes, what gave it away?
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u/TheTwixthSense Jun 14 '24
Good interview. Still no real answer on the £8bn for public services black hole. Seems optimistic to depend on growth for that, but any tax rises aren't gonna be announced in a lead up to a general election. Still much better and more responsible than the tory tax cut bribe though.
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u/gingeriangreen Jun 14 '24
It's quite clear it's going to be capital gains tax, but I believe it would be a percentage on high amounts, that sort of detail would get lost in the election with the papers wanting to protect their funds, for instance if he stated 1% on capital gains (maybe specifically dividends) over 1mill, that would not affect a huge amount of people but it sure would hurt the owners of the mail etc.
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u/Jademalo Chairman of Ways and Memes Jun 15 '24
I've ragged Starmer pretty hard and I will continue to do so, but this was a very well handled interview. Good answers to the questions, sounded natural and unscripted but was clearly prepared well.
I don't agree with a lot of his answers still and I agree with Nick's points, but he handled them well.
I still think "I've changed the Labour party" is a double edged sword of a reply though, when appealing to the demographics he's trying to court it makes sense, but it's doing nothing but filling me with unease. I can see it potentially coming back to bite him in the future, because it's incredibly easy to tack on "into the tories"
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u/Geek-Of-Nature Jun 14 '24
I do not understand asking someone a question and then constantly interrupting the answer.
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u/Apple22Over7 Jun 14 '24
Because they don't want an answer to the question, they want a Gotcha! moment.
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u/Geek-Of-Nature Jun 14 '24
Nick Robinson is not coming across well at all. He looks smarmy as fuck, thinking he's some sort of intellectual superior and smirking his way through every point he makes.
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
This EU thing isn't the gotcha you think it is Nick. I think he's been used to shooting fish in a barrel with the Tories for a decade.
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u/furryicecubes Jun 14 '24
Stop staying steely determination. All I can think of is Blue steel....
Wait, reform next week? Spicy.
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u/SDLRob Jun 14 '24
Farage or Tice?
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u/urdnotwrecks Jun 14 '24
Pretty sure Tice is locked back in his gimp dungeon, only to see the light when they need his pin number
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Jun 14 '24
Missed it. Did he do well?
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u/RockinMadRiot Things Can Only Get Wetter Jun 14 '24
I felt he did really well. Corbyn question came up that he really needs to find a better answer to, but I felt he did great
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u/DPBH Jun 14 '24
He just needs to say “I was a Labour MP/candidate and it was my duty to publicly support the party in the election…”
He could then throw out a few lines about the certain Tory candidates who have pictures of Nigel Farage on their campaign flyers, or Lucy Allan who backed a Reform candidate.
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Jun 14 '24
Surely he just needs to say, "I was a member of the Labour party and I felt it was best to support the leader but I that doesn't mean I didn't have my doubts at times"
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u/sarosauce Jun 14 '24
Nick did a good interview but most of the questions weren't that hard, though Starmer also answered most of them well. I think the interview was beneficial for Starmer and Labour, whereas Rishi and his record were destroyed by Nick.
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u/convertedtoradians Jun 14 '24
I do find the "oh, but if you're not ruling it out so it's possible, isn't it?" questions pretty bloody tedious. Pick an extreme enough example and any commitment goes in the bin, obviously.
Good interview otherwise though, I'd say.
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u/mycodenameisnotmilo Am I going bonkers? Jun 14 '24
“You haven’t ruled out culling Alpacas have you??”
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u/jaydenkieran m=2 is a myth Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
Taking bets on Robinson's opening question. For context, his opening question to Sunak was
It does feel for you - doesn't it - rather like its not stopped raining since the day you walked out of Downing Street to announce this election?
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u/Wanallo221 Jun 14 '24
“Good evening Mr Starmer, thanks for joining us.
NOW LADS! QUICK HOLD HIM DOWN! BILL, GET ME THE KNIFE SO WE CAN PULL HIS FACE OFF AND FIND OUT WHO BUILT THIS ROBO-KIER! WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REAL KIER STARMER YOU CYBORG FU-“
due to technical difficulties. We are unable to continue our scheduled programming. Instead, here’s Countryfile
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
Instead, here’s Countryfile
Wall to wall alpaca screaming
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u/CrispySmokyFrazzle Jun 14 '24
“You sit here today pitching yourself as the next PM. 4 years ago, you pitched yourself as the next Labour leader under a very different set of pledges. Why should the British electorate trust that you’ll stick to what’s in here?”
lifts up manifesto
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u/AttitudeAdjuster bop the stoats Jun 14 '24
I can recite the response about the changed labour party without hearing it.
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
He had a laugh while he trotted out the three taxes. He's enjoying himself, I'm really feeling his demeanour and presentation.
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u/blueblanket123 Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
Much better from Keir today. Less waffling about toolmakers.
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
Like how he tied "working people" to "central purpose", good retort to centrism-bad accusations
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u/convertedtoradians Jun 14 '24
That's a good line about entering politics in 2015, suffering three losses in a row followed by Hartlepool and learning from the experience.
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
He's doing really well with obviously irritating questions Robinson is trying to needle him with. It's a good tactic and good to see the outcome, seeing as he's up against the TetchBro.
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Jun 14 '24
I don't think Nick's first question will be about Corbyn, I think he's better than that.
Suspect it may be about all the u-turns and why should people trust him.
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u/NoFrillsCrisps Jun 14 '24
If we have like 10 minutes about Corbyn again I am throwing myself out of the window.
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u/No-Scholar4854 Jun 14 '24
I wonder what his prop for Farage would have been if he hadn’t chickened out?
Sunak got a stack of paper, Starmer got pennies. Paper clips?
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u/__--byonin--__ Jun 14 '24
I’m liking the TK Maxx-style furnishings in the background.
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u/gingeriangreen Jun 14 '24
No, he said the leader of Reform, Farage might step down, let Tice suffer, and step back up the next day
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u/Anasynth Jun 14 '24
I’m not sure about some the questioning. “Plans change” and going to war with Trump, who isn’t that into fighting wars. It’s just random hypotheticals.
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u/jt372 Jun 14 '24
Really thought Nick was setting up the 'you change your mind' narrative there - there's still time!
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u/jt372 Jun 14 '24
Hadn't thought about that actually - 'We won't raise taxes on working people' isn't the same as 'We won't raise these taxes that relate to work'
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid 🦆🔊 Jun 14 '24
What a hypothetical, how on Earth can anyone answer this???
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u/ryanllw Jun 14 '24
So he’s not committing enough for the NHS, and he’s relying on his magic wand to fund things. Which is it Nick? Not enough spending or too much?
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 14 '24
PISS OFF WITH THE LOVE ACTUALLY OH MY FUCK ARE WE ON THE SUN TV NOW
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u/DakeyrasWrites Jun 14 '24
Absolutely atrocious performance, I've never seen something so one-sided in all my life.
Wait, this isn't the football post-match discussion
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u/h00dman Welsh Person Jun 14 '24
Yeah you want the Germany Vs Scotland thread.
Edit
Sorry mods, I've removed the link.
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid 🦆🔊 Jun 14 '24
They really could have chosen a better manifesto cover imo
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u/koalazeus Jun 14 '24
A penny doesn't buy anything nowadays. Even Rishi knows that.
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u/GoonerGetGot Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
Far less 'this is your life' style to this interview. I guess Rishi didn't give the BBC 30 mins last time so they had to fluff it up
Edit: Mixing up my TV channels, my bad!
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u/Nomerdoodle Jun 14 '24
are you thinking of Rishi's ITV interview? He got mauled by Nick in his BBC interview...
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u/Throwing_Daze Jun 14 '24
Anyone know if I can watch this anywhere apart from iplayer? Not in the UK, so can't use it.
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid 🦆🔊 Jun 14 '24
Nice bit of prop work from Nick here
Good interview so far imo, better than the usual "what about Corbyn? Why are you so boring Mr Keir?" stuff we get from some journalists
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u/CrispySmokyFrazzle Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
I still don't particularly trust the bloke, and I'm no more enthused about the plan he's offering, because I just do not think it's anywhere near bold enough to address things.
But, from an interview perspective and in an attempt to stick my 'objective' hat on: I think he did okay there.
The first third or so of the interview risked turning into a very formulaic and over-rehearsed set piece. I was quoting along with the usual go-to lines.
But to give credit to Robinson, he opened up the interview a bit and it became more interesting.
Starmer does seem like someone who is more engaging when he's off-script. I wish his advisors/he would see that and loosen the reins a bit.
There've been times during this election campaign (Sky event comes to mind) where it felt like the two candidates for PM were two competing brands of very poorly programmed robot.
I don't know if your average person likes that nearly as much as these political types think they do.
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u/asgoodasanyother Jun 14 '24
His extremely modest proposals, in the current climate, are actually extremely bold. Net zero by 2030, millions of new houses, rescuing the NHS etc etc. To even suggest we can make a significant dent in these things all at once is as radical as they come. And then the other side of the coin, which I think a lot of people on here forget about, is that Starmer also needs to win a big majority to accomplish these things. He needs to do better than Blair, coming from a far worse position. He needs to bring most of the country with him. That severely limits his options on things like tax or the EU. I guess you could criticise him for not being abit more honest about how rubbish the situation is, and the likelihood of failure. But I guess he wants to remain positive and offer a message of hope
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u/richmeister6666 Jun 14 '24
he seems like some one who’s more engaging off script
Basically every labour leader since Blair is like this.
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u/TheNoGnome Jun 14 '24
Is Sir Keir raging more or less than Souness and Keane on the other side, who are already furious about something indescribable despite being paid to go and talk about football in Berlin?
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u/silverjoe190 Jun 14 '24
Thank fuck the straight "Yes" answer to "Are you prepared to make enemies of NIMBYs"