r/todayilearned • u/TooKreamy4U • 20h ago
TIL In 2012, an Irish mother delivered her first twin prematurely, and her contractions stopped. This allowed the second twin to stay safely inside the womb for another 87 days. This rare occurrence is known as a delayed-interval delivery. It broke the previous world record of 84 days.
https://www.irishamerica.com/2013/05/irish-twins-set-world-record/1.9k
u/bediaxenciJenD81gEEx 20h ago
I'd be so pissed if I was the first twin and was like a foot shorter than my twin.
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u/dirty_cuban 19h ago edited 18h ago
Imagine if your birthdays spanned the school cutoff. If you’re a grade behind your twin people would think you’re the dumb twin
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u/wozattacks 19h ago
People would think both of you were dumb when you told them you were twins but had different birthdays
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u/Kandiru 1 17h ago
It's quite common to have twins across midnight though.
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u/Impossible-Junket395 13h ago
Yeah, there's a bit of a difference between a 1day-gap across midnight versus THREE FUCKING MONTHS.
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u/TURK3Y 11h ago
quite common
Most calculations show that only 1-3% of twin births, span midnight
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u/Necessary-Force-4348 17h ago
do you also think being struck by lightning is common?
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u/Nowordsofitsown 18h ago
Are these set in stone? In my country you would be able to adjust for the early birth and have them start at the same time.
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u/dirty_cuban 18h ago
You would be able to hold the older child back so they could start the same grade at the same time. Though generally it becomes a financial issue for most families since that’s an extra year of daycare for that child who could otherwise be in public school
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u/kdoodlethug 18h ago
Well it's not really extra. If one child arrived early, they would have been planning to send them to school along with their sibling originally.
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 17h ago
Say that when you're looking at potentially saving or spending an extra $13,000.
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u/Jon_ofAllTrades 14h ago
Only $13000? That’s a nice 4 months of daycare you got there.
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 14h ago
Depends on where you live. That's the national average (according to robots). Idk; back when my kid was in daycare (2001-2005), we paid $80/wk.
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u/kdoodlethug 13h ago
I'm not saying it isn't costly, I'm saying it's what they were already going to pay in the first place.
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u/Nowordsofitsown 18h ago
I know a couple whose child was born at something like 22 weeks at the beginning of December. School cut off where they live is December 31st. Kiddo should have been born in April. Yet they had her start school according to her birthday. Baffled me.
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u/Spazmer 18h ago
I had a friend who was due end of March but went into early labour on December 31st. When he got to junior kindergarten age (the year you turn 4 here) she talked to the school about not registering him until the year he was supposed to be born. They said no, and if she did that then they would put him into senior kindergarten so he would just miss a year of education instead. It was ridiculous at the time, but in the end he was fine.
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u/scooterboy1961 15h ago
Before I first went to school I was smaller than almost all the kids my age and so my mother asked if she could start me the next year and as far as I know they had no problem with that. All throughout school I was about a year older than most of the kids in my classes.
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u/DemonKing0524 15h ago
If she had no developmental delays from being born so early then it makes sense to go by her actual birthday
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u/YetiPie 15h ago
When (and where) I was growing up in Canada it was semi flexible. I am a December baby (cut off is September I think) and my parents were able to put me in school a year early at 4
…I ended up being held back in grade 4 lol.
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u/a8bmiles 15h ago
I knew some step-brothers who one of them was held back a year and the other one skipped a year. So the one that was a year older was also the one 1-year behind the other one. Those were some amusing arguments :D
I'm a twin, but in grade school I knew some twins that one of them was born in England, the other in Germany. Mom was military wife and they were relocating, one kid was born, contractions stopped, she got on a plane, and 8 hours later contractions started again and the second twin was born in Germany. When we played fighter pilot games, he was always the Red Baron.
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u/turbosexophonicdlite 5h ago
How the fuck did they let that woman onto a plane!?
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u/fhjjjjjkkkkkkkl 18h ago
For the behest of the family well being. They must assign the birthday of earlier twin with later birthday. They technically were formed together
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u/NoDryHands 19h ago
They would definitely make up for it by taking full advantage of being the "older" one
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u/DoctorSquidton 19h ago
As a twin myself, yes, they absolutely would
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u/Slow_Appointment3540 17h ago
I’m an identical twin. We had twin-twin transfusion, meaning we shared an embryonic sack with a single blood source for our umbilical cords. Mine was more robust, and I was able to get a better supply of nutrients. It got to the point that she was not thriving in the womb, and we were induced at 6.5 months. Incubators, medications, surgeries, and monitors for months.
Anyway, she’s 4’11” and I’m 5’4”.
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u/be_humble_ 17h ago
How does she feel about that? Would she feel like it’s unfair?
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u/Slow_Appointment3540 17h ago
Yeah, she got the short end of the stick, for sure. She’s sad she’s short, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. On the other hand, she was a size 0 for years while I was compared to her and called “chunky” by my parents as a size 5. She weighed 85 pounds until she was 20. My mom said I was heavy at 115.
She has way more medical issues than I do. She basically lived in the hospital when we were growing up. Crutches, walkers, wheelchairs, surgery after surgery.
We’re 36 now, and she has difficulty in life. Never moved out from our dad’s house, has the emotional skills of a teenager, has a lot of bodily disabilities and a lot of mental anguish. Most of this just stemming from our birth circumstances.
Her time in school was brutal and really impacted her. Kids picked on her constantly. She’s something of a hypochondriac from her medical history. Much of it, in my opinion, is mental and could be resolved by a lot of therapy. I think there’s also some undiagnosed neurodivergence at play. But, she refuses. And so she is upset with her lot in life.
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u/lewkir 16h ago
Most of this just stemming from our birth circumstances.
sounds like your parents weren't great either
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u/Slow_Appointment3540 15h ago edited 15h ago
Yeah, we moved 15 times before I graduated, went bankrupt twice from medical debt, and my parents divorced. We were poooor. Super poor. My mom didn’t work, because she stayed home taking care of my sister. My dad worked super overtime as a truck driver, so he wasn’t around much. My mom couldn’t even drive until I was 8, so our summers were spent locked up in our tiny duplex apartment. And my mom loves to trauma dump and gossip (I guess as I am right now lol), and she didn’t have many friends, so I got to hear all of the financial problems.
I distinctly remember her asking me if they paid enough attention to me when I was a kid on several occasions, because my sister took up so much of their time. I got in trouble the one time I said I felt “lonely” (I meant neglected). I knew I couldn’t answer that truthfully, but I thought maybe things would change. They didn’t.
My parents both got married too young, were very evangelical, and my dad has depression issues. When he was home, he was sleeping. My mom has something going on. Some kind of childhood trauma with mild mania.
As I got older, my dad got obsessed with privacy. Blinds and doors closed all the time. Don’t answer the phone, don’t go out. Now my sister is there, living like that. She won’t go anywhere with me, because she gets overwhelmed.
I had major OCD as a child from all the stress. Definitely wasn’t a good childhood. No one ever beat me or anything, but we definitely didn’t come out of this unscathed.
I have a lot of sympathy for my parents and how difficult things were for them. I love them. At the same time, I often wish I had it better. Even today, I don’t see my mother often, because it causes emotional stress. I also kind of avoid my sister anymore, because nothing I do helps and I don’t like watching her waste away like that.
It’s tough. Doing better for my son.
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u/MrsSalmalin 14h ago
Damn that's rough. I'm glad you're able to see all of this and do better for your son. I hope your sister is able to get the help she needs.
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u/PenelopePeril 13h ago
Thanks for sharing. Your story has given me some perspective.
I also love my parents, have empathy for their situation, but wish they had more emotional capacity for me when I was growing up.
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u/thehobbyqueer 15h ago
sounds like you could've been taller. is it too late to absorb her?
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u/Slow_Appointment3540 15h ago
Absolutely. My mom is 5’10” and my dad is 6’. My doctor said I would have been taller and probably had better eyesight and hearing.
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u/Bytewave 14h ago
Perhaps the decision to induce labor early wasn't ideal, in retrospect, as hard as it must be to think about. Then again even doctors can't know the future and it'll never be framed to the parents as "Do you want two unhealthy kids or a normal one?". Of course there's always hope you'd both be fine. But it seems that in your cases, it didn't, sadly.
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u/Slow_Appointment3540 13h ago
Well, I wouldn’t say there’s something sickly about me, beyond anything I would have inherited anyway. I’m 5’4”, so it’s a bummer not to be taller, but it’s average.
I do have a little trouble “hearing”, but I honestly think it’s APD, rather than a mechanical hearing problem. My eyes aren’t too bad. An astigmatism in one eye, slightly nearsighted in the other. Neither of my parents needed glasses, though.
All in all, I’m ok. After a collapsed lung as a baby and the first few months in an incubator, I’ve been mostly healthy (outside of hereditary issues). My sister was not nearly as lucky. She has brittle bones, was born with hydrocephalus, had a cleft palette—the list goes on.
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u/plantsplantsplaaants 15h ago
I knew identical twins that had a less severe case and the doctors said they would even out to the same size by age 3. And they did!
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u/MichelinStarZombie 14h ago edited 39m ago
In case of TTTS with early-stage selective growth restriction, it's recommended to abort one twin. Surprised your mother didn't listen to medical advice. Now she has two sickly daughters instead of one healthy one.
Ladies, when your doc tells you to terminate, listen to her. She's not making shit up, she's giving you a data-based evaluation of your and your offspring's quality of life.
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u/Slow_Appointment3540 14h ago
Yes, she told me that was the other option they gave her, and she declined. I told her I would have done it. She said I’d understand one day when I had kids. Well, I have them and I still don’t get it.
I will say, my parents are both very religious and don’t agree with abortion. But our lives would have been so very different.
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u/JaqueStrap69 18h ago
The first baby in the NICU would grow at roughly the same speed as the baby remaining in the womb so they would roughly hit most growth and developmental milestones at the same time. The first twin would be measured against their adjusted age (I.e “corrected age” which goes by their due date.)
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u/Fun_Organization3857 18h ago
They have a photo higher up and they look very similar. So the early delivery didn't change that. It's amazing
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u/ThePhantomOfBroadway 18h ago
Had twin girls in my camp group with a huge size difference. I assumed they were regular sisters and shocked when they revealed they were twins, because it seriously looked like two or three years age gap. Felt bad, one was not just taller but heavier.
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u/Jameanddrew 20h ago
So one twin was born almost 3 months before the other? That is wild.
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u/usernamedottxt 14h ago
Imagine explaining to people that you and your identical twin have vastly different birthdays.....
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u/DisappointedLunchbox 14h ago
That is really cool. Idk if twins generally like or dislike sharing a birthday, but it's nice that both of them can get their own special day.
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u/ohdearitsrichardiii 19h ago
That sounds incredibly stressful, poor woman
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u/Frictus 18h ago
Seriously, going through postpartum recovery while still pregnant and then going through it all again 3 months later? And doing the newborn phase twice in 3 months? That must have been tough
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u/Jane_Doughnut_ 18h ago
Don't forget that the preemie twin would have been in NICU fighting for her little life. She was only 1lb 3oz when born
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u/ohdearitsrichardiii 18h ago
There wasn't much newborn phase with the first, she was born at 24 weeks. That's an extreme preemie, she was in intensive care. Most babies born that early don't survive
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u/OnTheEveOfWar 15h ago
The premature baby was most likely in the NICU being monitored 24/7 for 3 months.
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u/InannasPocket 13h ago
Uh, so an even more stressful postpartum and newborn phase? People with a baby in the NICU typically aren't just like "ok, call us in 3 months when the baby's ready to discharge", there is intense involvement.
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u/PM_YOUR_BOOBS_PLS_ 17h ago
I'm a single dude that's never had to deal with anything pregnancy related, but that was my first thought as well. That just sounds fucking awful.
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u/ohdearitsrichardiii 16h ago
I know someone who had a kid in week 30 and spent 4 months in the NICU. My friend would flinch for years afterwards if she heard certain types of alarms or beep beep because it reminded her of the NICU. She also has tremendous guilt because when babies died she thought "thank god it wasn't my baby" and because she was jealous of babies born earlier than hers that got to go home sooner. Having a preemie will mess with your head.
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u/tarantuletta 14h ago
That sounds so traumatizing, your poor friend!
One of my regulars suddenly collapsed from a massive heart attack right at the bar top earlier this year and we all had to give him CPR until the medics arrived and thankfully they had one of those automatic CPR machines but I still can't get the beeping sounds out of my head and it's been like six months now.
(He lived, btw, and sent us a pic from his hospital bed flipping us all off the next day with a huge grin in his face. He is a good dude and I'm so glad he survived but what an awful day that was.)
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u/BasicCitron4194 18h ago
Exactly. I’m so glad the kids and mom are ok, but I’d be SO PISSED, and actually, SO STRESSED, if i was the mom. Jeez.
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u/Sweet_Error8038 16h ago
This happened to me, my twin was birthed prematurely and I stayed in the womb!
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u/kolikkok 15h ago
Me too, though my twin was born so prematurely that they died, apparently my mom was told that I'd probably die too but I'm still here after over 30 years.
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u/minus15t2 14h ago
I imagine this comes up on a very frequent basis, especially any time you are late to something
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u/Drcyborgl 16h ago
This sounds like a nightmare for insurance/ paid leave. If you are pregnant with twins in the U.S., read your insurance policy throughly. Mine had a clause that if twins were delivered via two different methods, the second method/delivery was not fully covered.
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u/LeeskaKat 15h ago
That is truly awful. Except in a case as extraordinary as the one in the article, if you had twins born via different deliveries, the first twin would be born vaginally and the second by emergency C-section. An emergency C-section would be: 1. clearly necessary; and 2. almost definitely dramatically more expensive than a vaginal birth.
It sounds like this is an underhanded, nasty, way for the insurance company to get off without paying totally justifiable costs. This policy should be banned; whatever is necessary to safely deliver both babies should automatically be covered.
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u/whoamannipples 15h ago
Just popping in to mention that in Texas in 2024 my c section cost ~$400 more than the vaginal birth would have. Idk why, but we were all shocked (and then thrilled) at how relative the cost was
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u/420falilv 14h ago
It's free to have a child in Ireland and you get 26 weeks paid maternity leave for each child, so she would be covered for 9 months leave.
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u/lasttosseroni 16h ago
Yet another ad for universal healthcare.
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u/Pickle_Emotion 15h ago
Irish healthcare isn’t the best. It’s overcrowded, under-resourced, heavy management, but at least we have that.
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u/One_Vegetable9618 11h ago
We have a lot of things they don't have in the States, including lower infant and maternal mortality and a longer life expectancy. The only issue with Irish healthcare is having to wait for non emergency care. Plus money doesn't enter into the equation; if you need care you will be cared for, at very little cost.
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u/PyroDragons123 15h ago edited 14h ago
For the insurance side, often a hospital will just waive crazy stuff like this. Always speak to the hospital billing and staff if you're having any sort of worry about paying a bill. Even if you could pay it and strain you, they'll often give you a massive discount just for asking.
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u/NotJimmy97 19h ago
"Hey Dara, why does your brother Eoin have a different birthday than you, even though you're twins?"
"Uh, it's complicated."
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u/danius353 19h ago
It’d be hilarious/maddening if the age difference meant they were in different classes/sports teams
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u/specialkk77 17h ago
Typically most twin parents want to encourage their kids to have their own friends and their own interests. And schools that are big enough to have separate classrooms seem to prefer to separate twins.
Shoot my twins are only 2 and are in separate classrooms for their early intervention groups. They have different needs.
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u/Testsalt 16h ago
An old elementary buddy was a triplet, and man our school dropped the ball. Despite having space some years for three separate home room assignments, she was always the odd one out while her sisters shared another classroom.
I can’t fathom why they just decided to create an inferiority complex in just one kid.
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u/WhimsicalKoala 17h ago
My friend has twins, so they were on separate tracks from the start. But, even if they'd had the same general needs, the district has a very strict policy on making sure to separate twins into different classroms. (if that hasn't been the policy/ended up a moot point, she planned to request it)
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u/zack77070 16h ago
I've met too many twins with names that are very similar and honestly I think that sucks for their individuality, especially growing up in school. Like a Christian and Caesar, or Megan and Mary.
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u/WhimsicalKoala 15h ago
My grandma and great-aunt were Jean and Joan. Buttheir older sister was Janice and their brother was John, so I'm not sure if it was a cute twin naming scheme or just an overall lack of creativity
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u/specialkk77 15h ago
Worst I’ve seen was a set of twins named Paul (after the father, so a JR) and Paula. Like damn give the poor girl some identity!
My twins have extremely different names, different initials, different lengths. I cringe when I see similar names or “cutesy pairs”
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u/tarantuletta 13h ago
I know twins named Renee and Lene'e (pronounced just like Renee but with the apostrophe for fun I guess? I just call her Lenny because it makes us both laugh.)
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u/dandroid126 16h ago
I knew a pair of twins. We went to middle school together, high school together, and even had a couple of college courses together. They were in separate classes in middle school, but after that, their entire schedules were always the same. They were essentially the same person. It was a bit odd, but they were very nice. My extended family has 3 sets of twins (my grandma had two sets of twins! One set includes my mom), and none are as close as these guys I knew growing up.
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u/Unlikely_Comment_104 15h ago
So interesting. The elementary school my kiddo just “graduated” from has close ties to a research university so they implement research findings sooner than other schools.
This school keeps twins together for the duration of elementary.
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u/uncertain_expert 17h ago
It’s already unfair that prematurely born children are aged-up in sports etc compared to their peers who were conceived at the same time.
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u/OnTheEveOfWar 15h ago
I knew a few different sets of twins when I was younger and in school. They always put them in different classes on purpose. It’s better for their development. On one April fools day, a set of twins switched classes and didn’t tell the teachers or students. Hilarious.
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u/Zestyclose-Truth1634 18h ago
:"How are your relations with your sibling?"
:"Well, she evicted me before we were born, so there's that."
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u/Time_Zombie_4431 13h ago
Giving birth twice in the span of 87 days sounds like something from a horror movie goddamn.
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u/americanriverotter 17h ago
I had a teacher who intentionally had her labor suppressed for her second twin due to preterm delivery of the first. In the end, she had two daughters born exactly ten days apart. She used to joke that she would often be corrected when filling out paperwork for them, as people would think she forgot the “1” on the older twin’s birthdate.
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u/PicklesAndCoorslight 13h ago
GUYS HOW DID A BABY SURVIVE WITH ONLY FOUR MONTHS GESTATION?
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u/LittleMsClick 13h ago
I have a friend who is a NICU nurse. I think he said the the new protocol starts at 22 weeks.
Its a tradition their NICU that they have the footprint of the smallest baby they have worked with on their ID badge. The footprint on his fits inside a quarter.
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u/bridgekit 6h ago
my siblings were born at 25 weeks! they were both slightly under 2 lbs at birth and were in nicu for a long time
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u/minervamaga 7h ago
The other article gave the exact gestation, she was 24 weeks exactly (aka 5-6 months). 24 is the cutoff for many places to consider "viability", though some places will now resuscitate 22 weekers or (I believe) 20 weekers. It's still very difficult when they are that premature though, many do not survive. A 24 week twin is impressive!
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u/Dreamcorepastel 18h ago
The strength it must have taken for that mother to carry on after such a terrifying early birth is unmatched.
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u/Academic-Company-215 17h ago
I mean «normal» births are already mind blowing and beyond impressive but yeah this… this is birthing in hardcore mode. Women are just badasses!! 💪
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u/Knitterwitter909 15h ago
I wonder what that was like for them, if the one born later suddenly realised she was in there by herself, if they somehow missed each other as tiny babies, if they recognised each other on the outside. And the mom, who gave birth then was still pregnant for another 10 weeks. That kust totally mess with your head
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u/Phantomsurfr 19h ago
Can someone explain what happens to the umbilcal cord? Do they just tuck it back in?
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u/TooKreamy4U 19h ago
Each twin has its own individual umbilical cord
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u/inbigtreble30 19h ago
They had to have had separate amniotic sacs and placentas in order to survive being born at separate times.
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u/cryptrick 19h ago
Most likely, they had separate amniotic sacs, placentas and umbilical cords.
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u/Phantomsurfr 18h ago
Yep, I assumed there was one placenta. TIL.
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u/Kandiru 1 17h ago
The placenta is part of the baby, not the mother. (Well, mostly)
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u/saillavee 18h ago edited 18h ago
There’s always 2 umbilical chords, but identical twins can share a placenta and amniotic sac. That would be one placenta with 2 chords coming out of it. Whether or not they’re totally separate, sharing just a placenta, or sharing both a placenta and amniotic sac all depends on how early the zygote splits. Later split = more shared organs.
These twins would have to be di/di (separate placentas and sacs) for this to be possible.
Fraternal twins will always have their own placentas and sacs since it’s 2 separate eggs forming two distinct zygotes. Fun fact! Even though it’s totally separate, it’s still pretty common for placentas to implant close to each other and fuse together. That’s what happened with my twins. Also, if you have 2 amniotic sacs, that means your water breaks twice during birth.
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u/Phantomsurfr 18h ago
Oh ok, so there could just be the one placenta. So many combinations it seems.
Assumedly the twins in the article would've had their own placentas as sharing one would've complicated the process (I assume if they did share they would've forced the second birth).
Nature is a cool thing.
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u/saillavee 18h ago
Totally!
Di/di twins (where everything develops separately) is the most common type, and would be the only way for something like this to be possible.
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u/GetItDoneOV 17h ago
Some identical twins can have different placentas too. If the egg splits early enough, it forms two fully separate and distinct placentas and there is no risk of twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome. That’s what happened to my friend when she had her twins. Later tests showed they were 100% identical, but they had separate everything. Iirc, it’s very rare.
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u/Appropriate_Tie897 19h ago
Most twins have their own placentas they’re just doing their own thing together. It’s only identicals that might share
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u/sojuz151 19h ago
There are like 5 different ways you can have twins, with them sharing different organs.
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u/sephamore 15h ago
Heard about this while we were in the hospital after my wife’s water broke at 24 wks. We were expecting twins, dizygotic, separate sacs. They ended up getting born 3 days apart.
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u/RelaxPrime 16h ago
What's funny is I believe the term "Irish twins" means children born a year apart typically.
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u/MistLynx 13h ago
You just know the first one constantly held it over the others head that they were a full 2 and a half months older so they were in charge like a proper older sibling
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u/Puzzleheaded-Way2575 10h ago
If you were identical you’d get a sneak preview of what you’re gonna look like in two and a half months.
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u/JazzlikeDiamond558 18h ago
M'f... r evaded eviction for 84 days. 3 months of free food and doing nothing, while his roommate was dragged out screaming.
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u/AbsurdWorld1957 14h ago
My cousin had her twins two weeks apart. One was born prematurely and contractions stopped and the other baby got two more blessed weeks.
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u/LanceFree 13h ago
I remember twins joking about their mom, “you’ve known her longer than me”, or the reverse, but this is extreme.
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u/PyroDragons123 15h ago
These sort of things are incredible for science studies. There was a podcast recently where a twin studier was talking about things like separations at birth and how it helps with a lot of things (nature vs nurture studies). Would love to see if anything came out of this 87 extra days outside of the womb.
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u/Nazamroth 15h ago
So you are twins? / Yes.
But you do not look the same? / Yes.
And your birthdays are on different dates? / Yes.
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u/StormBeard9989 19h ago
wait... they're still called twins? even though the other is bron almost 3 months later??
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u/OasissisaO 19h ago
Of course.
They're twins because they shared a womb and were created at the same time (whether from 2 eggs or 1).
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u/CurrencyDesperate286 19h ago
Well they could even be from the same egg (I haven’t looked at case details to check that).
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u/Embarrassed-Weird173 19h ago
They even made it to where it can be a twin if they don't look alike, or even if they're opposite genders. Everyone and anyone can be a twin now!
On a more serious note, if the impregnated eggs arrive in the womb at the same time, it counts (or in the case of identical, if it clones itself).
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u/overmonk 17h ago
So you're twins, except in the only two cool ways, looking alike and having the same birthday?
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u/chickenoodle777 15h ago
In school I was friends with some of the McBurney brothers. They had this same world record but for triplets. Super cool people btw.
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u/Actually_Im_a_Broom 19h ago
I can’t believe the first survived. Are they still doing okay? This article is 13 years old.