ICE Planning $100 Million ‘Nightmare’ Domestic Spy Program - The American Prospect

[u/NicolasCageFan492]

https://prospect.org/2026/10/14/ice-planning-nightmare-domestic-spy-program-ero-one/

[u/srone]

to identify and assess relationships among individuals, organizations, locations, events, activities, data points, and other entities.” They will review information to identify “known, reported, or potential relationships; recurring patterns; organizational structures; associations; areas of convergence; temporal or geographic connections; and other linkages relevant to the assigned intelligence requirement.” Contractors will then “evaluate the significance and reliability” of the relationships and “prepare link charts, network diagrams, timelines, analytical summaries, written assessments, or other related products” for ICE to use.

There is no way this is only going to be used to track foreign nationals.

[u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 → u/srone]

We are 100% going to find out what would have happened in Nazi Germany if the Gestapo had access to today's computers unless ICE is abolished and some powerful people end up in prison.

I cannot stress enough how serious this is, and there need to be life-changing consequences for the people making this happen.

[u/postmodest → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

All my evangelical relatives tell me they'll only use this on antifa.

[u/GenChadT → u/postmodest]

Which will quickly develop to encompass anyone and everyone who doesn't identify as MAGA. Do you support the end of the pedophile regime? Antifa. Made an anti-Trump comment? Antifa. Didn't vote Republican at the last election? Antifa. This shit is dead serious.

[u/cheese-allergy → u/GenChadT]

I'm sorry, but all I can think about are the people who called me an alarmist in 2016, 2021, and 2024.

[u/superkp → u/cheese-allergy]

during the fresh air we got during biden's term, I was introduced to the saying "the road to fascism is lined with people telling me that I'm overreacting."

[u/DrAstralis → u/cheese-allergy]

"yes alarms are supposed to go off when the entire structure in on fire, that's the point."

[u/Jeremizzle → u/GenChadT]

I just visited the Topography of Terror museum in Berlin, which chronologically explores the Nazis from their earliest days of power through to the decades following the war. Reading the early sections, it was sickening to see how closely Trump and his lackeys are following the exact same playbook. The fact it’s not even a secret, that they’re eroding our freedoms right out in the open gleefully, it’s just infuriating.

[u/postmodest → u/GenChadT]

"That won't happen because a man I saw on tv told me he loved me."

[u/GenChadT → u/postmodest]

Anyone still supporting this regime is a fascist and/or a total fucking moron. Unfortunately this also includes my family, too.

[u/Tederator → u/postmodest]

I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield

Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station

And the preacher said, you know you always have the Lord by your side

And I was so pleased to be informed of this that I ran

Twenty red lights in his honor

Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord...

Well the preacher kept right on saying that all I had to do was send

Ten dollars to the church of the Sacred Bleeding Heart Of Jesus

Located somewhere in Los Angeles, California

And next week they'd say my prayer on the radio

And all my dreams would come true...

[u/DukeOfGeek → u/GenChadT]

The first thing they are going to do is use it to identify which mail in ballots to discard.

[u/Appropriate-Weird492 → u/postmodest]

No one has been able to explain to me why being anti fascist is a bad thing.

[u/Old-Set78 → u/Appropriate-Weird492]

my brother told me antifa WAS fascists 🤦🏽‍♀️

[u/servey02 → u/Old-Set78]

Yeah mine too. Strange minds

[u/Appropriate-Fun-922 → u/Appropriate-Weird492]

That’s because the Russian bots are down, give it a lil time and maybe they will be able to explain!

[u/Appropriate-Weird492 → u/Appropriate-Fun-922]

I’ve been asking for since 2017. I don’t expect an answer.

[u/ScurvyTurtle → u/Appropriate-Weird492]

It's like socialism: it's all about sex changes for miners and other geologists.

[u/Appropriate-Weird492 → u/ScurvyTurtle]

Dang, I knew I picked the wrong major!

[u/RealGianath → u/Appropriate-Weird492]

ICE probably has tagged everybody who isn't outwardly MAGA as being Antifa and needing special scrutiny. And they of course need to keep digging into the MAGA folks too, to make sure they are staying completely loyal to Trump and aren't disagreeing with his many scandals when they speak privately of him.

[u/Mauser224 → u/postmodest]

And then they will claim it isn't fascist...

[u/dragonmp93 → u/Mauser224]

I mean, they are cheering for a livestream execution, aka a snuff video funded by taxes.

[u/Nayre_Trawe → u/postmodest]

First they came for...

If only they opened a history book.

[u/K10RumbleRumble → u/postmodest]

Bet. Not a single one of them can tell you where the antifa base is. Who any of the antifa are. Probably not even what that is. Let alone, know it’s an acronym. Or what the acronym stands for.

Or that it’s literally anti-destroythefuckingcountry

[u/SamuelL421 → u/postmodest]

Ah, if only “antifa” weren’t an entirely imaginary foe. It’s one more pointless catch-all dog-whistle… like saying “woke”. Just a way to paint a target on anyone who disagrees with MAGA’s batshit, anti-American grifting.

[u/MrBwnrrific → u/postmodest]

Antifa=anyone left of Mussolini

[u/xteve → u/postmodest]

We're going to have to disempower church. The "evangelicals" are stark raving hair-on-fire insane; but "real Christians" vote majority GOP ergo are the support platform for this evil.

[u/sameth1 → u/postmodest]

Even ignoring the fascism part, they want immigration enforcement to be used on citizens?

[u/Djamalfna → u/postmodest]

I've got an extremely-Catholic MAGA brother-in-law.

He actually thinks he's on the same side as these people. Oh Buddy, as soon as they're done with the non-Christians, you're next on their list. But he's really happy now, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

[u/InappropriateTA → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

What, seriously, do you see as the outcome when this isn’t stopped and the midterms are either stolen or ineffective at enabling change and enacting consequences for the fascism that’s run rampant for months?

Who is actually going to take up arms against a tyrannical government with local police forces that are filled with racists, white supremacists, Christian nationalists, and MAGA loyalists and who have military-grade arsenals?

[u/gljo → u/InappropriateTA]

No one's coming to save us.

[u/InappropriateTA → u/gljo]

No one’s coming, that’s why we need to save ourselves. 

People love to dump on the French, but I think that’s part of the propaganda to deter people from thinking they have the power to join communities to fight against ‘bigger’ powers. 

[u/anchorwind → u/InappropriateTA]

People love to dump on the French

Those people are the the ones ganging up on a woman wearing a t-shirt who feel empowered because they were able to outnumber someone and get away with it...and the British.

The rest of us understand the power of the people but the French have some advantages, like size. Marseille to Paris is not that far off distance wise as Chicago to Pittsburgh - let alone trying to get the two coasts united in any prompt or sizable way.

[u/NicolasCageFan492 → u/gljo]

I think foreign actors are trying to get people to give up hope. From the article:

A forecasting document published a week earlier said that the solicitation will likely be released on December 10. Intelligence contracting experts said the timeline suggests ICE will award the contract around February.

My take: The intention is to make people become hopeless, or to radicalize people into violence so there is justification for Trump to crack down on violent protests.

Vote.

[u/DrE7HER → u/InappropriateTA]

Military grade arsenals AND military grade AI surveillance.

Great question, whoever it is has probably already abandoned the internet, so we won’t know until it happens

[u/CryptidWorks → u/DrE7HER]

Now couple both of those with autonomous weapons systems that don't disobey unlawful orders. Because there's a reason why they want those.

🫠

[u/Tomato_Sky → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

Klobuchar has run almost her entire campaign for Minnesota Governor without mentioning ICE. Considering that’s where… you know… the whole world witnessed manslaughter in 3D. I’m really interested in the levers that get pulled if the Dems take Congress and what they want to brush under the rug to appear centrist.

But yeah, there is real threat here. This is 10x more alarming than the patriot act, but majority of those folks are MAGA so it’s okay now. Rules for thee and not for me. Hungry leopards just waiting. Nobody is prepared for the nanny state.

[u/HoboBaggins008 → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

They're going to make the entire country like Gaza. Surveillance and brutality.

[u/Riaayo → u/HoboBaggins008]

America now feeling the imperial boomerang of Gaza's occupation, and staring down the barrel of the reality that said occupation has been a test-bed for civilian occupation, brutalization, and pacification for decades.

Well, the whole world is really; those lessons won't just be exported to the US. Capitalism exists across the world and is failing across the world, and the oligarchs are turning to fascism and looking to use it to rewind humanity back to the days of feudalism.

[u/Loggerdon → u/Riaayo]

The strange thing is a lot of people seem to want something like feudalism. I don’t understand it.

[u/bkgn → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

We are 100% going to find out what would have happened in Nazi Germany if the Gestapo had access to today's computer

The Gestapo had access to the best computers of the day. Famously, IBM eagerly worked with the Nazi government.

Plenty of corporations falling over themselves now to be the next IBM.

[u/ahfoo → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

IBM designed the state information bureaucracy for the German Nazis. It's not as different as you imagine.

[u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 → u/ahfoo]

The difference is that today's technology is capable of doing things people couldn't have even dreamed of back then.

[u/Borkz → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

Oh they dreamed of it, and they haven't stopped working to realize those dreams since then

[u/night_dude → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

My first thought a paragraph in: this is literally the Gestapo. Or, actually, the Stasi of East Germany are probably a better comparison. But yeah. Of all the dead canaries in the coal mine, this is the most concerning.

[u/cbelt3 → u/srone]

Don’t forget … the Democratic Party has been named “Domestic Terrorists” by the orange Mussolini in the White House .

[u/Beemerado → u/cbelt3]

does no one else remember the "we are domestic terrorists" banner at CPAC

[u/triton420 → u/cbelt3]

Didn't they also call themselves domestic terrorists at their convention?

[u/AnotherBoredAHole → u/triton420]

"They" being the Republican CPAC, make sure there is no ambiguity.

[u/PaintshakerBaby → u/triton420]

Something, something, scorpion and the frog.

Therein lies bad faith paradox of MAGA that has torpedoed America entire.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

They are the defacto demostic terrorists.

Just because they control the goverment, doesn't make it not so... but is rather PROOF POSTIVE after Jan 6th.

They are the American Taliban.

They have demonstrated AD NASUEM they are the party and rhetoric of violence, retribution, and extreme prejudice.

Now they are saying they if the American people carry them through the midterms, they promise 🤞 not to sting you, AND cut you a 5k check!

Make no mistake; this is speedrunning the deliberate scuttling of a empire, so handful of soon-to-be-trillionaire, wannabe oligarchs, can annoint themselves lords of the ashes.

The impending oil crisis and subsequent abandonment of the petrodollar will turn us into a 21st century Weimar Republic.

I think we all know what follows that.

This is the terrifying groundwork of American secret police and MAGA SS, frothing at the mouth to administer proscriptions, gulags, and extrajudicial hit squads.

[u/TheREALOtherFiles → u/cbelt3]

A cell phone isn't the same thing as a "brandished weapon", and they still don't get it after 9 months.

[u/SIGMA920 → u/TheREALOtherFiles]

No, they understand. They don't care. The more people cling to the hope of MAGA disappearing with Rump and just returning to normal, the stronger they will get.

[u/Wrong-Secret-5275 → u/SIGMA920]

Yup. They very much get it. It’s just cheaper and easier to claim a cellphone looked like a threatening gun than it is to plant a firearm on a target. Until they don’t need to pretend there was a threat to the agent anymore and can just fire at will.

[u/frontfrontdowndown → u/srone]

That’s a whole lot of domestic big brother for an agency that’s primarily supposed to be dealing with civil infractions by foreigners.

[u/GrayEidolon → u/srone]

Conservatives are building the surveillance state they’ve lusted for for decades. This isn’t going anywhere without unprecedented grass roots support and putting conservatives out of power at all levels of government - the sort of grass roots support the surveillance and propaganda state is designed to prevent.

The contemporary goal here is the dissolution of democracy. And that doesn’t stop when Trump or xyz politician is gone.

Trump-thiel-Epstein admin is building the police state the wealthy have been lusting forever so they can enforce class disparity and dismantle democracy. It’s an international effort.

Big tech built the tools conservatives have been lusting after.

Remember j Edgar Hoover and all his secret files?

DARE was about building paragovernment surveillance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzrGCk-F7FY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iLf2h_fo-w good summary if you don't want to read or watch more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlSK_5fMSa4 "you're the product" how LLM training was lowkey crowd sourced.

More broadly, conservatives have been upset since the enlightenment. It’s the politics of aristocrats: anything that ever helped regular people to be more comfortable has enraged them. It’s literally a response to the enlightenment. They resent the enlightenment making things nicer for poor people.

The backbone is that conservatism is about enforcing socioeconomic hierarchy and the techfascists, religious fascists, and heritage foundation race fascists are all in on replacing democracy with feudalistic “network” states run by ai powered surveillance.

Project2025 has been going on since 1981 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Leadership

This current crop are trying to make a new country that "bursts out of the body" of the current country like a cocoon. It's called "the butterfly revolution" and yes it does sound absurd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

It’s why musk speaks at the afd in Germany. It’s why bannon, farage, and Cambridge Analytica were working together on Brexit (watch “the great hack”). It's why thiel's "dialog society" exists. this is an international effort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

https://time.com/7269166/dark-enlightenment-history-essay/

The accelerationists like Peter Theil from the tech faction of conservatism think they can force collapse, then use technology and surveillance to protect themselves. Because they're "done with democracy." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-BQhXdCs8Y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

https://pols.sites.haverford.edu/studentvoices/what-is-accelerationism/

These are both Thiel speaking like 10 and 15 years ago. The seasteading thing was an early material attempt at this moving-past-democracy thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hjLgXA-MZY

https://www.seasteading.org/peter-thiel-speaks-about-seasteading/

These aristocrats are working on how to control their security forces though things like "disciplinary collars."

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff

Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system, and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?” The event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hack that takes everything down.

This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from raiders as well as angry mobs. One had already secured a dozen Navy Seals to make their way to his compound if he gave them the right cue. But how would he pay the guards once even his crypto was worthless? What would stop the guards from eventually choosing their own leader?

The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”.

And the vice president of the united states and advisors have given their seals of approval to a book that says conservatives are going to have to kill all the liberals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unhumans

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more links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk End notes 3: The Origins of conservatism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g How to radicalize a normie - propaganda method

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Here’s more surveillance stuff. The massive forced data center roll out is for surveillance. Do we really think ai is being pushed so hard out of the generosity of tech moguls so that people can ask it to write their emails, do searches, make them pictures, and do some programming?

https://www.aclum.org/publications/ai-powered-surveillance-is-turning-the-united-states-into-a-digital-police-state-now-is-the-time-to-stop-it/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iLf2h_fo-w

Next time you go out driving, notice all the cameras watching the road. It’s way bigger than flock. They were going to partner with Ring, putting tons of houses and yards into the machine. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/smart-home/2026/02/13/ring-camera-ad-flock-partnership-super-bowl/88657750007/

Why data centers? All of the audio and video from all of these cameras need to be stored somewhere so they can be processed. They're building real time tracking of individuals with face, car model, license plate, gait (the way you walk is unique) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0262885623001580,

devices https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-leonardo-signaltrace-alpr-device-tracking/,

internet history, banking data,

and it's all analyzed together https://theconversation.com/us-government-ramps-up-mass-surveillance-with-help-of-ai-tech-data-brokers-and-your-apps-and-devices-277440.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/technology/tech-ice-facial-recognition-palantir.html It takes a lot of space to store all that and to process it.

John Oliver just dropped a good summary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnBPhelCdWE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtUkCvF3fa4 news report about a single guy being harassed by flock cops.

Why are they so desperate?? https://gizmodo.com/flock-reportedly-tried-to-turn-uber-drivers-into-mobile-snitches-2000796138

That's why the data center proliferation is everywhere. It's why people like Bezos are saying water and electricity are better used on data centers than real people. The aristocrats want control of their flock of workers.

If regular people can get behind anti data center / anti surveillance, maybe there’s a chance to stop thiel and tech feudalists. It doesn’t have to be inevitable.

[u/SuspendeesNutz → u/srone]

Of course not, it will also be used to track foreign national sympathizers.

[u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 → u/SuspendeesNutz]

And everyone who is categorized as politically opposed to MAGA will be labeled a sympathizer and a terrorist.

Trump has been trying to broadly label the left as terrorists ever since his first term, when he started talking about Antifa.

[u/mfGLOVE → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

Today, the Trump Administration convened senior officials from governments around the world to launch an unprecedented global offensive against the transnational threat of Radical Left terrorism. Under the leadership of President Donald J. Trump, far-left extremism will be treated with the same seriousness and ferocity the world has long reserved for jihadist terrorism.

Under President Trump, Radical Left terrorism is finally being confronted as the organized, transnational threat it actually is.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/07/trump-administration-unleashes-global-campaign-to-crush-radical-left-terrorism/

[u/Ironlion45 → u/mfGLOVE]

If he keeps this up, the threat he made up to justify his fascism is going to become a real one. I imagine he would like that actually.

[u/Replicant_11295 → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

They’ll also target anyone not using the term super-intelligence

[u/son_et_lumiere → u/SuspendeesNutz]

Which will include everyone. Because how do you know if they're a "sympathizer" unless you track them?

[u/CautionarySnail → u/son_et_lumiere]

We will constantly be sifted and weighed to make sure we are fully loyal to the regime in all we do. Better not do anything that makes you stand out in any way, and be sure to wear your flag pin and red hat of loyalty.

It is the same social credit scheme that conservatives criticized about China a decade ago. But as long as its homegrown surveillance, suddenly, they’re a-ok with it.

[u/thorsbeardexpress → u/CautionarySnail]

It's because they're hypocrites

[u/alcohall183 → u/SuspendeesNutz]

or non christians

[u/Morgannin09 → u/srone]

It shouldn't even be used that way. This is insanity. They are developing the kind of intelligence network the CIA uses to track foreign spies and using it to track people on vacations and work visas.

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/srone]

It has nothing to do with foreign nationals. Read it again. This is 100% about political activists and Democrats.

[u/LibertarianOutlaw → u/srone]

Too convenient for the government not to. Cops keep demanding bigger and bigger budgets and more officers while relying on technology to do their work for them. The workload decrease we were all promised with technology all went to the cops and none of it to the people.

[u/pkpzp228 → u/srone]

Let me translate that for you

They will review information to identify “known, reported, or potential relationships; recurring patterns; organizational structures; associations; areas of convergence; temporal or geographic connections; and other linkages relevant to the assigned intelligence requirement.”

They'll be using an agentic system to find correlation across a large database of surveillance data. A report will then be created that:

Contractors will then “evaluate the significance and reliability” of the relationships and “prepare link charts, network diagrams, timelines, analytical summaries, written assessments, or other related products” for ICE to use.

A human (for the time being) will review for reliability then us AI to put together a jacket on the person that will be used to justify further direct surveillance or direct contact. Flock meets the minority report.

[u/homtanksreddit → u/srone]

This is exactly how palantir operates, by building a knowledge graph of all your data points. They piloted the program with the immigration crackdown , now they’re expanding it. Very easy to switch from non-citizens to citizens, esp with an administration who is looking for any excuse to spy on its own citizenry. 

[u/skinwill → u/srone]

This is the language used to sell it to the public. Like calling flock cameras ‘license plate readers’. The reality is always so much worse.

[u/astroglitch0 → u/srone]

Time to go dark.

[u/sptrstmenwpls → u/srone]

Aren't conservative parties supposed to be about small gov't, limited intrusion and (white, at least) individual freedoms?

Bush Jr. w/the Patriot Act & Homeland Security - under the guise of weeding out the small handful of terrorists among ~300 million citizen - and now this... and all that in between stuff..

Hrm..I'm beginning to believe they aren't what they say

[u/theweirdball]

We are witnessing the formation of Trump's secret police. This is a key step to establishing and maintaining a dictatorship. ICE will be used to surveil citizens, suppress free speech, and harrass and intimidate anyone brave enough to speak out against their criminal behavior. This has nothing to do with Left vs Right, this is an attack on the 1st and 4th amendments.

[u/TheVog → u/theweirdball]

We are witnessing the formation of Trump's secret police.

It's BEEN formed. It's BEEN funded. Why do you think the Epstein files were leaked FOUR DAYS after H.R.1 was signed? That's how ICE got its funding for the next decade. That is what the Epstein files were leaked to hide.

[u/warau_meow → u/TheVog]

So many people don’t care because them and their people haven’t been affected yet. This reality tho is that it’s here - kidnapping people and illegally imprisoning them and worse, and everyday the majority of people accept it because “well we are ok.” I’m so exhausted of being gaslit that what’s happening “isn’t happening to me” or “they deserve it” etc.

[u/zeethreepio → u/warau_meow]

First they came for...

[u/cpatrick1983 → u/theweirdball]

What the fuck are you talking about, the right is directly responsible for this

[u/Akuuntus → u/theweirdball]

This has nothing to do with Left vs Right

This is happening because of the right wing. The Democrats are really bad at preventing the far right from getting everything they want, but it's still the fault of the right wing at the end of the day. Everyone building this system is on the right and they will use it to target the left. Save the centrism for some other thread.

[u/Fallingdamage → u/theweirdball]

Walk/Bike more when you can, leave your phone at home, talk to people in person, use cash more, dont subscribe to as many services, get rid of your smart home devices and make sure you arent submitting lots of details in your digital life.

Its not some conspiracy, just common sense. You all know the powers that be rely heavily on peoples digital and financial behaviors to find associations, patterns and relationships. Stop feeding it anymore than you have to. You're making it easy for them.

[u/JabbaMamaE → u/theweirdball]

My conspiracy theory is that this is really why all the "data centers" are needed. Is some of it for AI/SI? Sure, but a lot of it is for keeping tabs on all citizens.

[u/RockinOneThreeTwo → u/JabbaMamaE]

Why would you willingly use "SI"?

[u/triton420 → u/RockinOneThreeTwo]

He is trying to stay off the lists lol

[u/michigan-cartoonist → u/JabbaMamaE]

Pretty sure this isn't a conspiracy and it was laid out in Project 2025... Data centers are 100% being created to aid a domestic survailence system like we've never seen before. They need AI to do the work of filtering, compiling, and weighing data from us (Flock for physical spaces, backdoors into all apps for digital spaces). Feel free to correct me though!

[u/Best_Baseball3429 → u/michigan-cartoonist]

So is it our constitutional duty to burn down data centers? Just want to get my name on the list early.

[u/GoldenPigeonParty → u/Best_Baseball3429]

Not clear. But the cameras can go down for sure.

[u/Jwagner0850 → u/JabbaMamaE]

Not just data centers. The detention centers too. Why would you need so many prisons of you're trying to remove people from the country in the first place

[u/Livid_Zucchini_1625 → u/JabbaMamaE]

it's not a conspiracy

[u/Wolvenmoon → u/JabbaMamaE]

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's exactly what's happening. AI inference has reduced in resource usage by a factor of 30-50 for the model weights and up to 1500x for the context in some cases and shows signs of continued resource reduction per unit of 'intelligence'/capability. These aren't for inference. They're for surveillance.

[u/brickout → u/JabbaMamaE]

I fully agree. That's another reason they are being built all over the place, to decentralize them and maximize proximity.

[u/Manos_Of_Fate]

We’re going to need to build a dedicated prison facility just for these ICE assholes.

[u/aweyeahdawg → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

Prison? You’re too nice.

[u/vass0922 → u/aweyeahdawg]

I hear El Salvador has a lovely prison system we can send them to.

[u/TheLeather → u/vass0922]

Depose the leader there first, wouldn’t want the inmates to disappear into the wind.

[u/SamuraiMike81 → u/aweyeahdawg]

More like a hole in the ground. A nice hole in the ground...

[u/SwimmingThroughHoney → u/aweyeahdawg]

Violations of Deprivation of rights under color of law, that causes bodily harm or death, allows for the death penalty.

[u/HarryBalsagna1776 → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

Lol the constitution doesn't suggest jailing treasonists.

[u/Relative_Average758 → u/HarryBalsagna1776]

The founders knew. 

[u/SqueakyCheeseburgers → u/HarryBalsagna1776]

What’s the constitution? /s

[u/theghostmachine → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

No, we just convert the ICE detention facilities into ICE detention facilities

[u/cumwuatto → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

I suggest the ballroom. It’s got really high ceilings

[u/Kevin_Palpatine]

So $1 for every person they want to deport? DHS has stated their goal is 100,000,000 deportations. That is 1/3 of the US population.

[u/TranquilSeaOtter → u/Kevin_Palpatine]

Nazi Germany found mass deportations to be logistically impossible and resorted to mass executions.

[u/doneandtired2014 → u/TranquilSeaOtter]

Yup.

That's what the smooth brains who keep screaming, "Don't call them Nazis! You aren't going to win them over!?" don't understand.

The Third Reich didn't immediately start with death camps and it wasn't their second or even third option. It was settled upon after all other options were found to be either prohibitively expensive economically or logistically.

To those pearl clutchers and to those who thought they were gonna send a message by staying home in '24: buckle the fuck up, because all of that "hysteria" and "hyperbole" is getting real and it is getting real fast.

And to the "economically anxious" who threw their lot on with Shiza Fuhrer: history doesn't repeat but it often rhymes and you morons are now party to what amounts to a Nazi beat remix. The difference between what was and what is happens to be about the same as the difference between the bass riff for Under Pressure and Ice Ice Baby.

[u/wildcarde815 → u/doneandtired2014]

Economic anxiety, such a bullshit claim

[u/doneandtired2014 → u/wildcarde815]

I have more respect for the bigots than I do the "economically anxious" because they're forthright with being terrible people who want to do terrible things for terrible reasons and they don't get offended when you call them out on their shit.

The "economically anxious" have the audacity to get huffy and I do not have time for that.

[u/Mayor-Citywits → u/doneandtired2014]

History does repeat, first as tragedy then as farce. Can't remember who said that. Its perfect though, this is nazi Germans through the lense of some 4chan American bizarro world 

[u/GenChadT → u/TranquilSeaOtter]

They're likely already doing this. Thousands of people in the camps are already missing.

[u/JumboGlucose → u/Kevin_Palpatine]

They say there's 100 million immigrants here illegally (never any proof btw) yet they only managed to deport like 50 people in my state. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. They literally took away healthcare and gave the money to these losers.

[u/Kevin_Palpatine → u/JumboGlucose]

Funny thing is that Obama has so far deported MORE people than Trump and without killing Americans or sending people to Gulags or Sudan.

[u/Relative_Average758 → u/Kevin_Palpatine]

And another 100m in prison. 

[u/honeybadgerrulez]

sounds like a military police occupying blue cities to me

[u/flaming_bob → u/honeybadgerrulez]

There's not enough of them to do a full time occupation. That's why you keep seeing the same agents getting doxxed from city to city.

They will try, though.

[u/rhamantauri]

Has that not been what they’ve been doing this entire time?

Ice is a terrorist organization. They’re funded by the terrorists who have seized the government, using stolen money and fed all of our most vital and sensitive information pretty much in the first few months of the regime.

They’ve been surveilling and spying and stealing our privacy this entire time…

[u/lyngen → u/rhamantauri]

Ice needs to be defunded.

[u/ninjadude93 → u/lyngen]

Abolished and imprisoned

[u/doneandtired2014 → u/ninjadude93]

abolished and imprisoned

Imprisoned if they're lucky.

Intentionally running someone down with a vehicle and turning them into a speed bump is a capital offense in many states.

The same can be said for all of the outright attempted murder we've seen.

[u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 → u/lyngen]

It needs to be far more than defunding at this point. These nazis should not be allowed to walk the streets free.

[u/TheREALOtherFiles → u/lyngen]

...and also abolished, too.

[u/OnCallPartisan]

The entire DHS needs to be disbanded. It turned into the nightmare millions of us knew it would when the fucking Patriot Act was passed.

[u/bozzeak]

I just don’t understand how we will always have infinite amounts of money for horrible shit, oppressing/terrorizing people here at home and in other countries but any time somebody asks about maybe making some concrete quality of life improvements like public healthcare, or free school lunches, everybody is always like “well how the hell are we gonna pay for that, you idiot” like. It seems that as long as what you’re doing is cruel and hurts somebody, money doesn’t really seem to be a problem

[u/PerscriptionGrudge → u/bozzeak]

Because capitalism

[u/Murderface__ → u/bozzeak]

Somehow, people are easier swayed toward evil than good.

[u/bcrosby51]

So the people that voted for 'muh freedoms' and are all conspiracy theorists that think the government is always watching them, and would never want to live in a surveillance state, are okay with this?

[u/84FSP]

Paid for by your tax dollars people. These brown shirts need a Nuremberg trial and soon.

[u/Massimo25ore → u/84FSP]

When will the Resistance begin?

[u/Budget_Read_4085]

Does this mean everyone should start to delete social media? And stop using tech software? All of this seems illegal but nothing is done to stop it

[u/Soft_Swing9772 → u/Budget_Read_4085]

It seems like they will use surveillance tech to monitor irl movement and associations.

I think the digital map already exists

[u/alcohall183 → u/Soft_Swing9772]

which is why Flock and other such companies need to end

[u/bevelledo → u/Budget_Read_4085]

Even if everyone decided to stop using social media it would be too late for consumers to do anything, it would have to come from lawmakers.

Even without socials, your everyday movement is tracked and used, your everyday shopping habits, your personalized clothing style etc….

Apps like Google Maps + Waze or devices like pigeon (flock) cameras are used for location. Walmart / Amazon track your purchases if you use cards as payment. That great deal at the grocery store that you can only get with the membership card / shoppers card / your phone number track your eating habits.

And to top it all off these companies sell the info to data brokers who organize it so it’s useful and sell the data profiles to whoever wants them, and I mean anyone who wants them. There’s the obvious big corporations like Amazon who buy the info but also Multiple government agencies purchase data from data brokers about ordinary citizens.

It’s a big racket and the only thing to do about it is to vote locally / state / federal for candidates that actually give a damn. Do some research this election cycle before you cast your vote! 🗳️

[u/Glittering-Quote-635 → u/bevelledo]

Don't even need Google Maps and Waze. Just cell phone records. You're phone is constantly connected to Cell towers, and can be used to triangulate your position. On top of that, GPS is generally always on anyway.. I've got Life360 on my phone, I'd bet money they are selling my data on locations.

The sad truth of the matter is technology means we are always surveilled, and there is little we can do about it. As you said, literally the only thing we can do is pass laws that make using that data a crime. The data will always exist now.

This is why I plan on retiring to a unabomber cabin in the woods.

[u/DrE7HER → u/Budget_Read_4085]

We should have started that years ago, but today is the second best time.

Everyone should at least stop linking everything together. Stop using Google or Facebook to log in to everything, stop giving instagram and reddit your real email. Don’t use your real name on anything, don’t purchase anything through their apps (always open to an external browser).

Preferably, don’t install their apps on your phone at all

And please, for the love of whatever god you believe in, revoke access to your photo library from all apps. They are actively scanning everything you screenshot, photograph, and download.

[u/Human_Local3519]

What happened to America???

[u/willismthomp]

Homeland security was always a republican backdoor into national policing and surveillance. Most people knew from the very start. The terrorist propaganda streamed constantly for years worked and we gave up our freedoms for some momentary safety.

[u/Turdsley]

Ah yes, the "party of small government" strikes again.

[u/pasta_chovie → u/Turdsley]

“Small government” only applies to Republicans wanting less taxes and no government assistance for poor minorities.

[u/thirsty_for_chicken → u/Turdsley]

By small government they mean a dictatorship or oligarchy.

[u/beckerman67]

All thanks to the Patriot Act.

[u/Akuuntus]

Putting aside how obviously terrible and evil this is, am I the only one who thinks $100 million sounds pretty low? It's hard to imagine them pulling something like this off with that amount of money.

[u/Apachisme → u/Akuuntus]

There budget already exceeds that of the marines. $100 million is just buying the information and pairing it with Palantir software. Illegal and unconstitutional and on brand for these traitors.

[u/Amerlis → u/Akuuntus]

Someone’s getting a nice no bid, do nothing exclusive contract. Just like the reflecting pond contractor. Half ass the job and walked away with what was it, 13 million. Job successfully completed!

[u/MultiGeometry]

Even if you hate immigrants, at some point you need to sit down and ask how many dollars are worth spending for each dollar of perceived damages.

Do we want to rid the country of all immigrants? Or do we want to move towards UBI for citizens. Or fix bridges and schools. Help fund healthcare. Provide more money for state budgets. Etc.

It’s hard to understand the ICE budget because Trump keeps requesting more money, pulling money from other budgets, and probably straight up borrowing to a point where Congress will be forced to approve the bill.

[u/Resident_Course_3342 → u/MultiGeometry]

These are the same people that would rather fill public pools with concrete than let black people use them. 

It's not about money. It's about hurting people they don't like. 

[u/zeekaran → u/MultiGeometry]

Do we want to rid the country of all immigrants?

The South really, really loved slaves. Free work to increase production of cotton and everything else. Economically, they are great for the local owner-class.

Are immigrants who will take lower pay, not know their own legal rights, have less legal rights, and generally are a more vulnerable population not the ideal candidates for workers? Every factory farm uses them. Many fruit and vegetable farms use them for picking things not pickable by machine. Is this not the ideal group for capitalism to exploit? I don't get it, aren't billionaire companies shooting themselves in the foot? You can't get legal citizens to work shitass jobs for shitass pay, because they aren't sending most of it back to their home country where COL is significantly less.

[u/Squirrel_Inner → u/zeekaran]

The plan is to force them into corrupt H2A programs that are essentially slave labor.

[u/Darkgorge → u/MultiGeometry]

I have coworkers that legitimately believe "illegal immigration" is the biggest issue facing this country. That if we could just secure the border and deport "the illegals" that most problems this country is facing would be solved. There's basically no amount of money that can't be rationalized.

It's fairly mind boggling talking to these people. I really struggle to understand how we live in the same place.

[u/BornAd6464 → u/MultiGeometry]

It’s not about the immigrants, that was just a dog whistle to get them to power. Now they want to use ICE as a personal army to terrify anyone who dissents. This program wouldn’t only spy on illegal immigrants, it would spy on everyone. That’s the point.

[u/DrNoxin → u/MultiGeometry]

If they wanted to get rid of immigrants they would make it a business ending choice to hire them. That would stop it real quick. This isn't for immigrants.

[u/happyColoradoDave]

Contracts. Look at who is getting paid to provide these “services”.

[u/spribyl]

This is what Trump is distracting you from, it doesn't matter what he does as long as your don't look at anything else.

[u/Toutatous → u/spribyl]

He was right, "you won't need to vote again".

[u/_makoccino_]

Decades of Americans criticizing China's surveillance state, draconian measures, only to speed rollout the same programs domestically under Trump.

China arresting Uyghurs vs ICE arresting anyone the wrong skin color. China's mass surveillance vs Flock and mass surveillance. Communist party grift vs Republican party grift. Xi worship vs Trump worship. China threatening Taiwan vs Trump threatening allies, friends, neighbors, enemies, reporters...

You guys are a Social Credit program away from becoming a less industrial China.

[u/evensnowdies → u/_makoccino_]

Decades of Americans blindly repeating anti-China propaganda. The US police state is progressing and functioning as it has always intended, not some sudden new turn under Trump.

[u/GlowstickConsumption]

"Both parties are just as bad!" guys really fucked up their country, huh.

[u/Average-spectacle → u/GlowstickConsumption]

I hate this argument. One side literally embraces Nazi ideals, tell me more about both sides.  Smooth brained enablers. 

[u/OhGr8WhatNow → u/Average-spectacle]

People who make this argument have been watching the corporate Democrats help the Republican agenda for decades and have gotten sick of it. Always pretending they're helpless to stop anything when they're not in power, and helpless to make meaningful change when they are in power. Also helpless to Republicans blocking them even when they are in power. 

It's all a big lie. I keep voting but it's rare that I have an opportunity to vote for anyone that I think will really do anything worthwhile.

I keep hoping for a takeover of the Democratic party by progressives, but I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.

[u/Gay_Giraffe_1773]

Only $100 million?

[u/gk_instakilogram]

so much winning!

[u/CurrentlyLucid]

Another reason to vote Dem.

[u/Wayelder]

You guys clearly don't value your own constitution.

You don't have to accept ICE. Trump's gestapo hide from the constitution because they were created to get past it's Rights that Apply to Everyone in the U.S. (Including Non-Citizens)

According to the American Civil Liberties Union and federal guidelines:

• Fourth Amendment Protection: Protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. ICE needs reasonable suspicion to briefly detain someone in public and probable cause to make an arrest. [1, 2, 3]
• Right to Remain Silent: Individuals can refuse to answer questions about their birthplace, citizenship, or how they entered the country. [1, 2, 3]
• Protection Against Forced Home Entry: ICE agents generally cannot enter a private home without a search or arrest warrant signed by a judge. Administrative ICE warrants (like Form I-205 removal orders) do not legally authorize non-consensual entry into a private home. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
• Right to Refuse Consent to Search: Individuals can decline to let officers search their belongings or property if officers lack a judicial warrant or probable cause. [1]

[u/sachiprecious → u/Wayelder]

ICE violates people's rights all the time. They don't care about all the things you just listed. They do whatever they want, despite laws and the Constitution. Keep in mind that there are ICE agents who have murdered people and faced no consequences.

[u/Mayor-Citywits → u/Wayelder]

Reasonable suspicion is such bullshit. Uh yeah sure judge I was totally justified 

[u/EchoPhi → u/Wayelder]

points to 5 guys with fully automatic weapons and the other goons up the street in ICE vehicles

you go right ahead and refuse their request.

points to all the murders presently committed by ICE on the other side

Until citizens take up arms (what 2A is really for) to stop this tyranny, most resistance will be met with lethal force and it is very clear the government is not going to do a thing about it at present.

[u/ViriditasBiologia → u/Wayelder]

Genuinely what the actual fuck are we supposed to do? The police and ICE better armed than some small nations the Republicans control all three branches of the government they’ve packed the courts. What the fuck do you expect from people who are working 9 to 5?

[u/Financial-Craft-1282 → u/Wayelder]

Our Constitution, apparently, doesn't have mechanisms (laws) in place to stop this. Those may be our rights, but our rights have been suspended since the checks and balances have decided to not do their job.

[u/JMG1986_310]

So...

- Fascism continues to keep getting worse in America every day...

• Congress and SCOTUS do nothing.
  
• American people continue to do nothing, not realizing they are capable and responsible for stopping it all.

Founding fathers must be disappointed. They wrote the Declaration of Independence for a reason.

[u/ganjaccount]

If your local government is not reversing course on rolling out AI surveillance infrastructure, do whatever you can to unseat them. Recalls. Funding future campaigns against them. Public shaming. Whatever you can do.

[u/Honkey85]

Time runs out for Trump to prevent the next election.... So ... Secret police.

[u/Reader147]

They wouldn’t be building all of this up if they thought someone else would get to use it. This is part of the plan to never cede power.

[u/Griffolion]

According to the statement of work, contractors will be tasked with conducting analytical research “to identify and assess relationships among individuals, organizations, locations, events, activities, data points, and other entities.” They will review information to identify “known, reported, or potential relationships; recurring patterns; organizational structures; associations; areas of convergence; temporal or geographic connections; and other linkages relevant to the assigned intelligence requirement.” Contractors will then “evaluate the significance and reliability” of the relationships and “prepare link charts, network diagrams, timelines, analytical summaries, written assessments, or other related products” for ICE to use.

To be very honest, all this already happens. The amount even tech companies can infer about us based on what we volunteer to them in exchange for their service is staggering. It's been going on for decades.

The truly sinister aspect of all of this is the intent behind it all. As the article says, it bears all the hallmarks of explicitly being an internal spy agency and secret police force. This will be used in the same way the Gestapo were used by the Nazis, or the KGB by the Soviets.

[u/NicolasCageFan492]

Unfun hopefully unrelated fact: Vladimir Putin worked as a KGB officer in the east Germany Stasi. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Putin-Stasi-Ausweis.png

[u/Tom1952Phx]

These are the Trump Federal Police Forse. Untrained , un Vetted No respect for Constitution or Civil Rights. No Problem with Myrdering American Citisens Separating Familes. Building Gilags all over America. They are Neo Nazi in Political belief and Have no problem with Illegal procedures or orders

[u/Comfortable-Bug7202]

Where were you people when Snowden showed this over a decade ago with nsa and nothing was done? It's been going on

[u/Ill-Possible4420]

Make no mistake, this is the secret police that we see in authoritarian states. And they’re extremely well funded and well armed.

We’re in a lot of trouble.

[u/the_moosen]

The fact that they are fast-tracking this with deadlines in December & getting contracts out in February, means they're already confident the midterms are rigged in their favor

[u/trebory6]

It's kind of hilarious all the crazy shit Western propaganda spews about China when it comes to authoritarianism, then literally takes that same exact propaganda and uses it as blueprint for governing it's own people.

[u/SELFINCRIMINAT1NG]

anybody else noticed more and more Flock/Motorola/Axon ALPRs going up in their city even as local pushback grows? they've been working on this for a while and they aren't stopping

[u/chronomagnus]

It's because they are Comrade Trump's American Stasi. Remember the Republicans are the party of red... for the people!

[u/WigglySpaghetti]

Honestly given how everything this administration and it's sympathizers have done to date is absolute trash quality execution, I'm not super worried that this garbage can't be wrecked by some armchair hacktivist.

I think the part everyone forgets about. We'll be able to FOIA all the ICE employment records soon enough. These mouth-breathers will be papered everywhere.

[u/NicolasCageFan492 → u/WigglySpaghetti]

I think it’s dangerous to underestimate fascism.

How Journalists Covered the Rise of Mussolini and Hitler

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-journalists-covered-rise-mussolini-hitler-180961407/

[u/Reguladr → u/NicolasCageFan492]

Fantastic read thanks for sharing.

[u/NicolasCageFan492 → u/Reguladr]

Happy to help! Knowledge is power, France is bacon.

[u/Uncle_Burney → u/WigglySpaghetti]

Their incompetence is not an adequate safeguard against their treasonous aspirations.

[u/askingforafakefriend → u/WigglySpaghetti]

We'll be able to stop the rule breakers by utilizing the rules they control enforcement of!

[u/GuerrillaRodeo]

80 years ago my country was liberated from this exact same shit from the US (et al). Now you're copying Gestapo/Stasi methods? What the fuck is wrong with you?!

[u/Smallsey]

Americans could do something about this

[u/Bababacon]

No money for education or universal healthcare though

[u/randomnobody14]

You have a rapist as president and expect him to ask permission before doing something? He wouldn’t be a rapist if he asked permission first.

[u/No-Relation5965]

We are going to need some heroes pretty soon I’m afraid.

[u/absurdly_tired_guy]

United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, the Supreme Court established that non-citizens are protected by the Fourth Amendment domestically if they have developed "substantial connections" to the country (like living, working, or building a life here).

Domestic vs. Foreign Surveillance: Because these individuals reside physically inside the U.S., the government cannot use offshore foreign surveillance programs—like Section 702 of FISA—to target them directly. Federal courts have maintained that targeting anyone located on U.S. soil without standard domestic judicial review is unlawful.

Not to mention dozens of times CIA and FBI have been reprimanded or have been allowed to be sued, had evidence thrown out of court, or been considered unconstitutional if US citizens or permanent residents have been swept up alongside the target of the investigation.

We, as taxpayers, will be paying out settlements for decades to come.

[u/ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp]

Just a little over 2 more years of this... I'd hate to even imagine what America will be like at the end of his term.

[u/Toomany-124]

Is this why he’s throwing so many unbelievably stupid stunts of distraction?? This is pretty damn serious. Put on your armor of justice whatever belief it is and fight for your life and liberties.

[u/Rare_Walk_4845]

The fire from the document destruction this outgoing administration is going to create will be visible from outer space.

[u/RedditIsLeBoring]

What a truly disgusting country this is.

[u/WorthMassive8132]

This, for the record, is why they won't give up on data centers, despite them being a huge anchor politically 

[u/PilotKnob]

Yeah, this type of bullshit has to stop. Unreasonable searches and seizures are unconstitutional as hell.

[u/UncaringNonchalance]

I really picked a hell of a time to finally read 1984.

[u/TGordion]

I fucking knew never associating with anyone was going to work out for me sooner or later

[u/Ya-Dikobraz]

It's funny because they really don't have to plan anything. After the government got caught illegally spying on ALL of its citizens, a lot of people just assumed "well, that's the end of that". But of course they already had other methods already pre-planned. That are currently active that you don't know about. All they have to do it use it. People have called me a conspiritard for this view. Open your eyes.

[u/JSpell]

Terrorist organization

[u/jrodsf]

The new program is called the Enforcement and Removal Operations Overwatch and National Security Enforcement, or ERO ONE, described in documents posted last month on federal procurement websites.

These fucking losers can't even acronym properly.