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u/Bubbly-Following-966 6h ago
MAGA are the dumbest thing in American history.
- Washington didn't belong to any political party.
- Thomas Jefferson was a co-founder of the modern Democrat party.
There are no modern Democrats on Mount Rushmore primarily due to historical timing and the specific historical narrative chosen by the sculptor. However, looking at the history of the monument, the absence of modern
Democrats comes down to three main factors:
- The Timeline of the Monument
Mount Rushmore was conceived in 1923 and carved between 1927 and 1941. The sculptor, Gutzon Borglum, selected the four presidents to represent the first 150 years of American history.
⢠Many of the most iconic modern Democratic presidentsâsuch as Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnsonâserved decades after the monument was finished.
⢠Even Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), who was president while the monument was actively being carved, had not yet established his full presidential legacy when the design and four selections were permanently locked in during the mid-1920s.
That's why there are no democrats on Mt. Rushmore.
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u/biffbobfred 6h ago edited 6h ago
There are no republicans either. TR was bull moose. Lincoln technically ran on the Union party his second term. Mostly Republican but not quite he tried to bring in some Dems
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u/Top-Increase-6774 4h ago edited 4h ago
Actually, Jefferson is one of the founders of the OG Republicans, which historians now call Democratic-Republicans to help distinguish from Lincolnâs Republican Party. The Democratic Party may have arisen from the Jackson split later down the line, but the party had little in common with the modern Democratic party. They were the states rights, small government, agrarian vision guys. Then again, the Federalists were also not a perfect fit for the modern Democratic Party with the big business, industrial support. They do have some elements in common like advocacy for a stronger federal government and an element of anti-slavery from voices like Hamilton. But neither is a perfect match. As I teach my APUSH students, the parties have undergone 6 shifts over the course of history, so any comparisons like in the meme are just straight up nonsense. The parties have shifted and switched to much to make blanket comparisons. The only real thread, at least in my eyes is the Federal Government-States Right debates which have happened since the beginning. But even that gets messy during TRâs era because there wonât be that much daylight in that era between his and Wilsonâs overall approach on progressive issues.
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u/IAteTonysLoMein 6h ago
Given what a raging dickbag Borglum was, it's a surprise he didn't put Jackson in place of TR
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u/GrandMoffTarkan 6h ago
Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican, the institutional precursor of the Democratic party FWIW. The Democrats have a big fundraiser called the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 6h ago
Technically he wasn't either. They didn't have these parties back then. But he was a Liberal. So was the other three.
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u/ActualHumanONReddit 6h ago
The Democratic party didn't exist until 1828, well after George Washington and Thomas Jefferson served. Gutzon Borglum selected these four presidents because from his perspective, they represented the most important events in the history of the United States.Â
George Washington - unaffiliated with any party
Thomas Jefferson - Democratic-Republican
Theodore Roosevelt - Bull Moose Party
Abraham Lincoln - Republican Party
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u/mercuriokazooie 5h ago
And Lincoln's Republican Party is far more in line with the Democratic Party of today. But they never like hearing that part because they still think saying KKK were Democrats is a "gotcha"
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u/B1G_Fan 5h ago
Republicans: âThe party switch is a myth, bro!â
Everyone with their head on straight: âThen, why are you worshipping Confederate Statues built by Southern Democrats??â
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u/mercuriokazooie 5h ago
Just ask them to tell you again which party the KKK of today ENTHUSIASTICALLY supports?
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u/sometimeserin 5h ago
Paraphrasing Jamelle Bouie here, but: Thatâs only because the Civil War briefly catalyzed the party system into turbo-racists vs everyone else. The ideological cohesion of the parties broke down pretty quickly afterwards and never really got close to the same level until the realignment of the 1960âs to today. There were some common themes, like the Democrats being a little more pro-labor but also a little more racist. And occasionally you had a president who had a popular enough platform to rally the national parties for/against said platform. But mostly both parties were pragmatic coalitions of regional interests.
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u/biffbobfred 6h ago
Lincoln ran in his second term on the Union party. Technically none of these guys was Dem or Republican.
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u/Away_Woodpecker8813 5h ago
Teddy Rosevelt was a progressive. His nephew copied his philosophies and is considered the most liberal president we ever had. They canât let Teddy be progressive because then the most man of all men was a liberal.
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u/nub_node 4h ago
Teddy Roosevelt is like Jesus, Republicans love him but hate most of his teachings.
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u/MsMercyMain 3h ago
Teddy is basically impossible to put coherently on the political compass, albeit he's best described as a progressive. He's a lot like LBJ in that his politics and opinions when you really dig deep are all over the place
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u/Historytech 4h ago
He was a progressive in many ways for sure notably domestic economic policy, though heâd probably have been closer to a social Republican and absolutely a hawkish Republican.
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u/Glad-Ride-1749 4h ago
It is important to also to note the HOW National Park Land was gained when it was founded. Fun fact, it was not chill.
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u/SuccessfulRaccoon957 3h ago
He's really a kind of politician that basically doesn't exist anymore where he held a mix of both progressive and conservative values as a public platform. His trust busting actions are considered incredibly progressive even by modern standards but he also continued the policy of us imperialism in Latin and South America and continued to genocide the native Americans.
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u/Other_Log_1996 6h ago
In the case of Roosevelt, it was actually more because he and Borglum were personal friends.
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u/braniac021 5h ago
George Washington gets a pass as "unaffiliated", even though he pretty clearly aligned with Hamilton's Federalists and after Jefferson resigned his cabinet was practically all Federalists.
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u/Ok_Star_4136 2h ago
Can I just add, the irony of someone writing "Cause there fricken stupid" as a comment on that?
"Cause" is not the right word, the right term is supposed to be "Because".
"There" is the wrong word here, it should be "they're".
"Fricken" is just a bad spelling of "freaking".
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u/WolfieSamurai 6h ago
There's also no republicans
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u/MacPzesst 6h ago
Lincoln was the first Republican, but he was a staunch liberal.
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u/Squatch-21 6h ago
Itâs fun to bring this up and watch republicans melt. Heâd fucking hate the current Republican Party.
Honestly makes me sick seeing them parade him around and have their âLincoln dinnersâ.
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u/codefinity 6h ago
That's why they have that Lincoln Project YT channel that facts all of the MAGA degenerates.
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u/Truthseeker308 6h ago
Also, not for nothing, but Democratiic comes BEFORE Republican in Jeffersonâs party affiliation.
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u/Gingeronimoooo 6h ago
Watch them melt?
You wrongly assume the MAGA cult have shame, or critical thinking skills, or give a fuck about reality
Sorry dude, but you are right about Lincoln being a progressive for the time
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u/Squatch-21 6h ago
Oh, I mean melt as in meltdown about how THEY are the party of Lincoln, THEY are the party that freed the slaves.
They would never in their life actually admit any wrongdoing.
I have a nephew named Lincoln. I made the joke when they named him that they would actually hate who Lincoln actually was.
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u/More-Conversation931 6h ago
Well at the time Republicans were liberals and Democrats conservatives.
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 6h ago
All Liberals. Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt, all Liberals.
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u/joesaysso 6h ago
Both Lincoln and Roosevelt were Republicans while in office. The Whigs became the Republicans while Lincoln was in office. Roosevelt switched parties after he left office.
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u/biffbobfred 6h ago
Lincoln ran on his second term on the Union party. He won, so technically he wasnât named a Republican. Though he was a Republican pretty much - the Union party was Republican and some unionist Dems.
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u/DangerousDave303 6h ago
I had a history professor in college point out that the Republican Party leadership was so concerned about what T.R. might do that they put him in the position where he would, theoretically, cause the least disruption. That position was the vice presidency.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 6h ago
I will admit, I have never wondered this. Mostly because these people were more enlightened about the nature of democracy than anybody in the current divisive clusterF that is our current leadership.
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 6h ago
Because they were all Liberals.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 6h ago
I think progressive is a better descriptor. They weren't against conservative views, but they envisioned a government that was given power by the people regardless of how that fell on the partisan line. Roosevelt is probably more a liberal in the modern sense, but I believe he considered himself a progressive as well.
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u/blazelet 6h ago
They get so fixated on the superficiality of what things are named.
The KKK supported democrats a century ago. They support republicans today.
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u/darthsploder77 6h ago
Washington did not have a political party, Jefferson was the founder of the Democratic-Republican party, (yes that is what it was called) and Roosevelt left the Republican party to run as member of the Progressive party. The only Republican on Mount Rushmore is Lincoln, he was the first and at the time it was a pro-union anti-slavery platform.
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u/hurtsdonut_ 6h ago
Exactly they'll screech Lincoln was a Republican while flying their Confederate flags.
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 6h ago edited 6h ago
Washington was a Liberal. Jefferson was a Liberal. Roosevelt was a Liberal. Not sure what MAGA's point here is other then they are right. Democrats weren't a thing for two of them, and Republicans during Roosevelt were Liberal. I just see a bunch of Liberals up there. Oh, and never forget that Lincoln was about as Liberal as it gets too... Poor MAGA. Always having nothing to run on.
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u/Alternative_Ad6424 6h ago
Didn't Washington literally warn against the forming of political parties because they would divide people?
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u/biffbobfred 6h ago
Two of the guys served before our modern political party existed. Both of the other two last ran on being neither Republican nor Democrat (Teddy being Bull Moose, Lincoln technically ran on the Union ticket)
âIsnât it weird that there are neither republicans or Dems on mt Rushmoreâ could have some insight. But no itâs used for political points.
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u/Noobzoid123 6h ago
Wonder why one president has more felonies crimes and lawsuits stacked against them more than any other previous presidents combined?
Yes, because Trump is a corrupt criminal.
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u/sluggz9 6h ago
It's fucking incredible how people can be this stupid while calling everyone else stupid. The Republican Party didn't even exist when Washington and Jefferson were president. Lincoln's Republican Party was founded on opposing the expansion of slavery, and Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who fought against corporate monopolies and pushed for government regulation. What party does that resemble ?
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u/Main_Cauliflower5479 1h ago
Washington - Independent/Non-partisan. Jefferson - Democratic-Republican. TR - Republican back when they were liberal. Same with Lincoln.
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u/ThelIIusion0fSeIf 6h ago
Oh wow, this is what they're resorting too. Nothing about policy, integrity, comparing track records...just grasping at straws.
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u/IceWolfen 6h ago
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Washington push against the idea of a party system? He considered political parties to be one of the greatest threats to the American Republic. I don't disagree with him to be honest.
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u/Fit_Low592 6h ago
âEver wonder why there are no black people on Mt. Rushmore?â
Yeah see how stupid that sounds?
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u/granolabranborg 5h ago
Washington-Revolutionary
Jefferson-Revolutionary
Lincoln-Woke BLM Activist
Roosevelt-Trust Busting Progressive
There are no conservatives on Mount Rushmore
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u/thepvbrother 4h ago
The only Republican up there is Lincoln, the Destroyer of the Confederacy. Thomas Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican, Roosevelt was his own party, and George Washington was unaffiliated with a party. Because he is awesome.
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u/toothy_mcthree 4h ago
Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican, the party that evolved into the Democrats.
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u/Sensitive_Field7496 4h ago
I dont really think anyone cares about Mt. Rushmore anymore. Used to be a big thing when i was in school. Are you still in school little buddy?
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u/TheLordNoxious 1h ago
I'm not even American but I am pretty sure most of these presidents would have been considered Demoncratic by todays standards right?
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u/LoungingLoach 6h ago
They always manage to impress with how diluted they are.
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u/homebrew_1 6h ago
They vote. They don't stay home and complain that the alternative isn't perfect enough for their vote.
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u/Sweaty_Challenge_649 6h ago
This is because maga has co-opted what liberal means to something like socialist progressive. USA built on liberal ideas and values, which is why these men get immortalized on the mount. We should all have liberal values, because that means liberty, freedom, and change.
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u/ProHighjacker77 6h ago
Correct me if im wrong but back thwn it was more "we the people" over we the corruption/ government
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u/EverOrny 6h ago
also old Democrats are todays Republicans and vice versa to some extent, the programs/values of both parties substantially shifted over history
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u/TarheelFr06 6h ago
Washington was a Federalist when that was basically the only party that existed. Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican which was in fact the precursor to the modern day Democratic Party. Teddy was a Northeastern progressive who was effectively booted from the Republican Party for being too liberal. Lincoln was an Illinois progressive.
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u/CommercialAgency928 6h ago
"Cause there fricken stupid"
I tell ya what, these people's don't know English very good!
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u/Some_Random_Android 6h ago
Ever wonder why only Republicans nominate a convicted felon and liable rapist to POTUS?
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u/Coleary40 6h ago
*they're.
And let's just reframe the question real quick.
Why are there no conservatives on Mt Rushmore???
Ooohhhh....
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u/Northman86 5h ago
you mean aside from Jefferson? whose Democrat-Republican Party utlimately split creating the Democrat party
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u/Majestic-Citron7578 5h ago
Uh Jeffersons party was the precursor to the modern democratic party. Lincoln was obviously a republican but they had more in common with the democratic party of today than the democratic party then. Washington was non partisan and Roosevelt was an environmentalist in his time. A more factual statement would be to say no one on Rushmore would identify as a republican in its current form and its possible no president in history aside from Andrew Jackson would want to be associated with it.
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u/RussellAlden 5h ago
What? Democrats donât want to be associated with the worldâs largest graffiti?
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u/Surprised-elephant 5h ago
If republicans could have there way they would probably put
Donald Trump
Ronald Reagan
Andrew Jackson
Finally Jefferson Davis
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u/TheMcMcMcMcMc 3h ago
Republicans controlled Congress and the White House at the time. Calvin Coolidge stipulated that the four figures should include two Republican presidents, George Washington, and a Democrat. Thomas Jefferson was chosen as the Democrat.
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u/FoolAndTheScorpion 2h ago
Ever wonder why republicans think they ever provided shit to this nation - and always blame the opposing party for their sins? Yeah âŚ
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u/killerzf9 1h ago
You know, now that I think of it, itâs amazing that we as a species were able to carve a manâs face into a fucking mountain.
Not to mention other architectural achievements like the pyramids, Buddhist statues in Afghanistan (before the taliban destroyed them), etc.
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u/DayZCutr 6h ago
Not really, the mountain was comissioned by a republican.
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u/Strict_Weather9063 6h ago
Roosevelt you mean that progressive guy that cracked down on big business cleaned up the stock market, and created the national parks system. Yup I would have voted for him. Wait until you learn what his nephew did you will be pissed.
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 6h ago
Because he was a Liberal like the other three up there.
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u/DayZCutr 6h ago
Yeah. The meme mentioned party lines, not political affiliations. Mount Rushmore was commissioned by Teddy. And before the current political alliances existed. So it would make sense he would choose republicans who were liberal by the standards of their time.
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 6h ago
All four of those faces are Liberals. MAGA are basically saying they love Liberals.
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u/Internal_Swing_2743 6h ago
Just for the record, 2 of the Presidents on Mt Rushmore were slave owners.
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u/LNKDWM4U 6h ago
Itâs not like itâs difficult to figure this stuff out, but they never put any effort into it.
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u/balirosa 6h ago
Oh you mean the mountain the native Americans already had a name and a face on before white folks stole it and chiseled over it?
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u/Aggrosideburnz 6h ago
Liberal Mountain? You know they are uneducated when they say the south will rise again but they werenât the confederates
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u/Bayamonster 6h ago
(Do they think Rushmore is an objective indicator or Presidential value or whatever)
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u/zenmaster_B 6h ago
Hmm, itâs almost as if the Republican Party of old was progressive and flipped conservative over the course of decadesâ but donât let that get in the way of a good fable to own dum, stoopid libs
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u/hopeful7321 5h ago
I'm all for blowing those faces off and returning the land we stole back to Native America! Their Black Hills is a sacred place and we violated their treaty and just took it.
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u/Oldmanprop 4h ago
Also, Washington was a Liberal Christian that leaned more towards being a Deist. Thomas Jefferson was a Unitarian Deist. Lincoln was not a member of any Christian church and leaned towards Deism. Teddy Roosevelt was a devout Christian.
That should get them going.
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u/Elsupersabio 4h ago
the parties switched, republicans used to be the pro civil rights party, democrats the racist ignorant people party
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u/bigsky52 3h ago
Talk about friggen stupid. This post proves the poster itâs. OMG. IâD BE SOOOO embarrassed.
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u/Tripple_T 3h ago
Thomas Jefferson isn't a Democrat unless Republicans want to focus on him being a slave owner.
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u/prestonjay22 3h ago
Wonder why republican politicians do not act like them anymore but want to ask dumb questions line this
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u/unfinishedtoast3 6h ago
Technically, there's 2 who served before the Democratic party started, Roosevelt ended his political career as a Progressive with the Bull Moose Party, and the only Republican up there, Lincoln, destroyed the Confederacy modern MAGA loved so much.