r/singularity • u/Jaguar_2454 • 1d ago
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u/MustBeSomethingThere 1d ago
First 15 seconds I thought it was shit
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u/Modern3D 1d ago
Oh cool, I get to be the info guy for once!
This is a video demonstrating a drawing using a Fourier series. The point you're seeing drawing the line is at the end of several connected line segments. Each line segment can have an independent length, rotation speed, and rotation direction.
This 3Blue1Brown video covers it way better than I ever could.
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u/lolsai 1d ago
Why is it animated though, did gemini just add that for fun/aesthetics?
The pelican actually pedaling, I mean
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u/Modern3D 1d ago
As far as I can tell, this is some sort of benchmark test. Animating it seems to be an additional level of difficulty.
For what it's worth, the part of this video showing the point moving around the pelican itself is likely added for communicative effect. In actuality, the entire Fourier series would complete its path in under a single frame for animation to be this smooth.
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u/michaelsoft__binbows 1d ago
i can’t tell if the freaking AI faked it or if it is properly doing the thing (and just e.g. stepping forward the step to show with each frame)...
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u/Modern3D 1d ago
It's certainly possible with current capabilities, but there's no way to ensure this exact video wasn't hallucinated, unless there's some other verifiable output where it was originally posted.
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u/Aleksundr 1d ago
Pelican thing became a 'how many rs in Strawberry' thing and the models were tuned to do it well. Gemini family os the best at physical world modeling so thats my guess at why
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u/lolsai 1d ago
not my question man
why is the pelican pedaling his bike, the fourier series doesn't seem to have anything to do with that, and it looks like gemini just made it pedal for fun? but i'm not sure exactly what's goin on
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u/fruitydude 1d ago
Can you all not read? He's asking why the pelican is fucking paddling even when the cursor is not updating that part of the image. The Fourier transform should create a static image not an Animation
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u/GoodBot-BadBot 1d ago
i guess next time i'll keep my secret knowledge to myself
please do, instead of wasting everyone's time
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u/LyAkolon 1d ago
affine path of pelican on bike = Hard, affine family of paths displayed one at a time of pelican on bike = much harder.
Makes google model look powerful
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u/lolsai 1d ago
ok, so what i'm asking is does this fourier series actually equate to the animation or is it drawing the pelican on a bike, and then the animation is fully a separate thing?
it doesn't equate in my head how the first could be a thing, but as you said it seems much more impressive if that is the case
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u/CookieMonzter2 1d ago
I too have the same question, as of now I think this can draw anything, based on how it's position etc, so a simple cycle would be a drawing of something, but now it's drawing that plus animating it with that drawing so that's supposedly a complex task. In a way showoff. I now gotta check it out, cause been using Claude for the last month and now gemini with argon and even the 3.5 and boy is it slow as a snail.
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u/Aleksundr 1d ago
Your question was 'why is it animated' and my answer is pretty clear as to my take on why. It's an optimization artifact from engineers pushing the prompt onto the system and the system leaning into its strengths to satisfy the reward function
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u/fruitydude 1d ago
No you answered why it picked the pelican. That wasn't the question, the question was why is the pelican moving?? Does that imply the Fourier series changes over time? Because otherwise it should create a static image.
I'm pretty sure this is just AI slop, it's not faithful to any real Fourier transform, which is far less impressive.
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u/mattrition 1d ago
Is that the highly technical version of the answer: "Gemini did indeed animate it for fun, you can't do that with the Fourier simulation"?
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u/StructureNorth1799 1d ago
This seems like it would be fairly easy to do in 2016. Did the AI make this video from scratch or something? If so is it accurate?
edit: nvm I stopped watching at 15 seconds lol
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u/TheOriginalAcidtech 1d ago
It is an example of how complexity can actually produce information(the drawing of a pelican riding a bike).
Eg its a physical example of how LLM models weights function.
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u/Status-Platform7120 1d ago
Explain more about it buddy, this looks like something my brain cant comprehend.
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u/Designer_Squash_9593 1d ago
Its using the 3 body problem to produce a bench mark meme of a pelican on a bike.
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u/kappapolls 1d ago
no, it's demonstrating using fourier series with increasing number of terms to draw a 3d plot that resembles a pelican riding a bicycle.
you can see how it starts with a small number of terms, which draws a rough plot that doesn't look anything like it. then it just skips to 1,024 terms and it approximates the drawing it used as a source quite well. you can do this with any line drawing really.
i don't know why it skipped values between 30ish and 1000. showing 100 and 500 briefly would have demonstrated the concept a bit better i think
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u/fruitydude 1d ago
I doubt it is. I think maybe initially but I don't think it's actually at all close to a real FT. I think it's just creating the FT circles and then drawing a pelican and bicycle in top. Much less impressive.
Because I'm otherwise why tf is it animated...
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u/kappapolls 1d ago
why do you doubt it? creating fourier series for some arbitrarily complex line is not fancy new tech. this is something computers have been able to do since fourever
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u/fruitydude 1d ago
Because it's moving. Does that imply the Fourier series is changing over time? And the whole thing is redrawn many times per second? Is that what 100bpm implies? Than what's the point of the cursor redrawing it, that's just fake then? It's clearly not actually drawing the structure because the thing changes over time even when not being redrawn.
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u/kappapolls 1d ago
you can see a phase term psi that is being used to control the animation. i think they are just highlighting the entire path to show the animation.
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u/LyAkolon 1d ago
makes it more impressive, clearly
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u/fruitydude 1d ago
How so?? It would obviously be more impressive if it's video Generation was able to create a faithful replication of a Fourier transform.
Obviously AI can create some slop that looks similar to FT and add a bicycle animation on top. Much less impressive
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u/Creative-Ganache1086 1d ago
“This looks like something my brain can’t comprehend…. I guess that’s the best way to describe “AI Slop” lol.
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u/Boring-Foundation708 1d ago
This is insane. It is also super creative from 2d to 3d. I have never seen that !!
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u/Dangerous-Orange-487 1d ago
That doesn't count that is benchmaxxing, the pelican on a bike is an official benchmark.
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u/Interpause 1d ago
unless i see the agent trajectory logs or the source code, no way im believing it actually did the 3D animated part. The pointer should be moving faster than renderable at least.
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u/JoelMahon 1d ago
no fucking way it didn't "cheat" to do this.
how impressive it is depends on how much it "cheated"
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u/slacy 1d ago
What does this even "mean"?
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u/JoelMahon 1d ago
there are a thousand different ways it could "cheat"
tracing an image for starters.
and that doesn't include measures the human team could deliberately make during training and prompting to unfairly solve this one particular issue but doesn't generalise.
ultimately, anything that doesn't generalise to at least other similar prompts is a form or "cheat"
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u/2leftarms 1d ago
What is fascinating to me is that the first section reminds me of gesture drawing
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u/fendrix888 1d ago
I dont understand. Writing the script to do this is not impressive/new in any way isnt it? Is this direct output of the model & then somehow compared to a deterministic model?
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u/Jealous-Two-4436 1d ago
That is some serious spatial reasoning. Now let’s see some new proteins!