r/singularity • u/141_1337 ▪️e/acc | AGI: ~2030 | ASI: ~2040 | FALGSC: ~2050 | :illuminati: • 1d ago
The Singularity is Near Google's Gemini 4 Argon autonomously built an entire photorealistic pagoda temple complex in Blender from a single prompt, with zero human intervention, using multiple AI agents to critique and refine its own work
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u/Adorable_Weakness_39 1d ago
What's even more impressive is using Antigravity to make it.
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u/skydivingdutch 1d ago
serious question - what's wrong with Antigravity? What does it lack that claude code doesn't?
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u/RazzmatazzAgitated81 ▪️ It's here 1d ago
Antigravity is a little better, but not as good as claude code or codex. Like there aren't many features like deep research, it kinda sucks at managing sub agents and so on. But Antigravity cli (agy) is horrendous. You can't get anything done using that lol.
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u/VariationsOfCalculus 22h ago
Claude also doesn't have deep research right?
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u/RazzmatazzAgitated81 ▪️ It's here 14m ago
Claude code does. It even let us orcastrate the process using multi agents and so on.
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u/monsieurpooh 1d ago
There is nothing wrong with Antigravity itself; it's the models they push in Antigravity (including all Gemini models including Argon) which is the problem, because Opus quota is heavily limited. I haven't used it in a while so I don't know the current state (I use claude now), but that's how it was back with Opus 4.8.
Btw, Argon still hallucinates WAY more than Opus 5.5 and when it does, it does it way more catastrophically. It would therefore stand to reason it still has a chance of falling into those catastrophic "oops I nuked the C drive" events whereas that's almost unheard of for Anthropic's latest models.
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u/sachasayan 1d ago
Eh, serious answer Antigravity is a lot better than it was, but both Claude Code and Antigravity are way behind Codex in overall usability.
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u/skydivingdutch 1d ago
In what way? I'm curious what cool things I'm missing out on by not being a Codex user
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u/sachasayan 1d ago
Right now I'd mostly say the duplex voice and voice-delegated task management. Duplex voice (and especially Dots, but even the regular duplex voice) is just incredibly good and basically my main method of interacting with my agents these days. Codex and Grok have it, Claude and Antigravity do not.
There's also a bunch of quality-of-life micro-interactions and design-refinements that I'll find just... missing from Claude. Hard to name these without doing it exhaustively, but I'm thinking of things like fully fleshed-out right-click menus and gallery interactions.
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u/misunderstandingit 1d ago
I use ChatGPT. Shit, sometimes I even use the research mode or the higher level thinking or whatever.
I have, in the past, asked it to help me with some task for my job. It.. failed. Every time.
But I know for a fact the tasks I am asking for pale in comparison to the complexity of constructing a blender scene.
You said.. a lot of words I don't know. And it's not that I don't know about it, I am playing the decomped games, I saw the Adobe thing, I am up to date on the news.
But yeah I think its time ti try again, and for real this time. I don't know what a surprising number of words you used in this comment even mean, but I'm hitting the hay, and putting my nose to the grindstone tomorrow.
if you feel like helping a stranger out, I know I am about to have to spend some money, what do you think is the best bang for my buck I can spend on "agentic AI" right now?
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u/FlatulistMaster 1d ago
I use CC and Codex. What am I doing wrong when I don't understand the huge difference?
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u/iJustSeen2Dudes1Bike 1d ago
Really? I used codex a lot with 5.6 but switched to CC exclusively for opus 5.5. does codex have new stuff?
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u/cleanscholes ▪️AGI 2027 ASI <2030 1d ago
lol absolutely vicious. You aren't wrong, the rest of us were just too polite to say it.
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u/Rodeo7171 1d ago
Do they tell people how much api $ was spent? Cause give todays models time and infinite $, and they pretty much iterate untill doing whatever you want. If somebody could enlighten me, or tell me if I am wrong or right, and in what, I would honestly be really thankfull.
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u/WesselZap 1d ago
That would be the last thing they would tell you. It's expensive as fuck and currently big tech is heavily subsidizing inference.
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u/NextWeather7866 1d ago
Big tech is not subsidizing inference. I'm tired of hearing this. Inference is the cheapest part of everything in an AI company.
Subscriptions are designed to figure out what you'll pay monthly at the best cost vs profit. They make money on subscriptions, API's are for business who can afford to not fuck around with multiple subscriptions to do work. Subscriptions get the left over compute at any given point in time.4
u/Clean_Livlng 1d ago
Is it expensive compared to how much it'd cost to hire humans to complete work to their standard? Genuine question, I do not know the answer.
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u/pleasetrimyourpubes 1d ago
Nope it is vastly cheaper than hiring a team of modellers to make this stuff. Do not let anyone say otherwise.
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u/Blue_MaskingTape 1d ago
lmao yeah i mean 10 years ago? this would have been a 100k job billed to the client. and take 3 months. easily.
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u/Anen-o-me ▪️It's here! 1d ago
He said they 'ran it overnight'.
Still gonna be cheaper than you could get it done yourself.
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u/constarx 1d ago
Overnight doesn't mean much anymore when you consider what people are doing with agent swarms.
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u/Career-Acceptable 1d ago
“Argon? In this browser, on this computer on this Gemini subscription!?”
“…yes”
“…May I see it?”
“N…
No.”
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u/Famous-Reach-6730 1d ago
Cod map development can just use ai to generate maps in 1-2 years
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u/suckaduckunion 1d ago
just put in a radius on Google Street View and fight anywhere? Count me in.
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u/user0fdoom 1d ago
Honestly such a cool use case. Could quite easily get it to build an entire local neighbourhood based entirely off google maps data, public blueprints and building layouts, random photos from social media and reviews. I'd imagine the final cost would be on the order of $100,000's which is a very small sum for a large game studio. That's about the cost of a couple of VFX designers for a year.
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u/drusepth 6h ago
I run a game studio that specializes in novel uses of AI in games (mostly play-time systems for players but also dev tools), and IMO what you're describing could be built with current tech more on the magnitude of $1,000s than $100,000s.
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u/Whispering-Depths 14h ago
Probably better to just have a general purpose ue6 style cross-game metaverse sim type game that uses a shared universal asset library... Rather than something specific like cod.
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u/CravingNature 1d ago
Do they do this through blender APIs or though visual computer use?
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u/141_1337 ▪️e/acc | AGI: ~2030 | ASI: ~2040 | FALGSC: ~2050 | :illuminati: 1d ago
Headless blender CLI
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u/More-Curious816 1d ago
now I wish they donate to blender couple of millions $$$ because it struggle financially and basically still alive because of its users donations.
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u/After_Dark 1d ago
They're one of the many many corporate sponsors of Blender https://fund.blender.org/
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u/More-Curious816 1d ago edited 1d ago
Blender has six corporate membership tiers. Each tier represents an annual financial contribution to support Blender's development.
Google is a silver tier, and they contribute €12k a year, that €1k per month. literally nothing, it can't even pay for a salary for 1 developer.
let's do some math, they got $402.8 billion in annual revenue in 2025.
using an approximate exchange rate of €1 = $1.12. they recover that fund money in in roughly 1.05 seconds.1 million in donation is equivalent to approximately 78 seconds of their revenue. it's ridiculous.
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u/AeroInsightMedia 1d ago
I think more of blenders users should probably setup reoccurring donations unless they are living that close to the edge.
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u/Ueli-Maurer-123 1d ago
They robbed everybody on the internet of all the content. Why would they donate a single dollar?
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u/More-Curious816 1d ago
while true, well, at least you can argue that blender is a harness not a data.
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u/Outrageous-Wait-8895 1d ago
Oh shit you're right I just looked and there's nothing on the internet anymore, it's all 404!
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u/savageotter 1d ago
Headless with the MCP or CLI. I have been doing this a lot for work and tbh its fucking nuts.
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u/winner00 1d ago
https://x.com/GeokenAI/status/2110049787072360532 The background behind him is all made with Argon also.
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u/141_1337 ▪️e/acc | AGI: ~2030 | ASI: ~2040 | FALGSC: ~2050 | :illuminati: 1d ago
Ok they were just flexing there lol
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u/GerryManDarling 1d ago edited 1d ago
Last night, I used codex to draw a duck in Blender and I was really impressed. Then I see this today...
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u/skilliard7 1d ago
I want to see it make actual human models/animations. Fable/Opus/Astra are already really good at this, it's nothing new, but if Argon can make actual animations that are decent then its a game changer.
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u/Spiritual-End7310 1d ago
So…no more architects?
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u/hugganao 1d ago edited 1d ago
architects will always be needed. Just no more blender artists...
as always, when people need trust/verification and responsibility if things go wrong, they will always need humans over ai. other than that, you can say bye bye to your job.
if you feel bad about that situation, well... people didn't give a shit about cars or packaged food becoming cheaper for everyday people, and people literally CELEBRATE ai being able to code better than your average programmer. Why should they give a shit now that liberal arts degrees holders are crying, yet again?
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u/Adam88Analyst 21h ago
Very well summarized. The problem is, you only need a handful of people (mostly ones with capital) who will get those jobs and then run an AI agent who does the outsourced job as a blender artist for a fraction of the cost. Imagine all those developers and analysts whose sole job now is to work on requirements created by someone higher up. If the higher up person can do the job with less people in the end, then less people will have jobs...
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u/Klanciault 12h ago
This is a copy of a map from a game called “the finals”. It looks the exact same to me so this was clearly present in the training data
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u/RHX_Thain 1d ago
Fuckin Holodeck like shit.
But also, as a hardsurface environment artist of over 20+ years -- ahhhhhhhh
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u/CIK1993 1d ago
Totally irrelevant but ive never seen someone talk so much through their bottom teeth before lol.
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u/LifeSugarSpice 21h ago
Congrats, you've become aware that people have conditions. Most people understand not to point them out and "lol" about it.
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u/Accomplished_Mall329 1d ago
Anyone familiar with East Asian architecture can tell you the dougong design is very wrong. Where's the brackets that run perpendicular to the walls? Those are the ones that hold up the eaves. How are the eaves being supported without them? Antigravity?
Also the ratios are horrible. Why is the pagoda's second storey much shorter than the rest? This is really bad slop.
They probably chose East Asian architecture because it's a style where obvious mistakes are harder for them to notice.
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u/jasonkane4321 1d ago
It really scares me how fast this is all moving. imagine in just a fe years what it can do....
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u/jybulson 19h ago
The next year will already be scary. In robotics we have to wait for a few years until it becomes crazy.
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u/No-Amount-537 1d ago
Heres the problem,
They are spending millions of dollars of tokens to get essentially replicative outputs. On a dollar for dollar basis you could hire a team and make MORE for less. So this is the task with extra steps.
I'd be quite happy with this if it were something you or I can do from home with reasonable resources. However all we have stated is "if you have stupid amounts of money to blow it can do something it's mostly seen before".
* What if it had a novel subject...
* What if it was novel building architecture...
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u/hypnomancy 1d ago
It's going to get cheaper as time goes on though. It's just not there yet.
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u/Odd_Post369 20h ago
Isn't that always the promise though? Over the last several years have AI costs trended upwards or downwards?
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u/No-Amount-537 19h ago
Technically the per token cost fell quite a bit but has remained constant for the last year or so. At the end of the day there is a base cost to GPUs and data center infrastructure.
The big issue is almost all the progress we have seen for the last two years has been in agentic systems which burn 10x - 1000x the tokens of one shot LLMs. So while tokens may be a tad cheaper we're using many more of them to complete tasks. Therefore the per task cost is going up.
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u/No-Amount-537 1d ago
Maybe.
The other thing is we still haven't seen out of domain work yet. The old draw a crocodile without a tail problem. ML is getting better at some of this but it can still be argued it's just repeats of what exists with some shuffling.
We also don't have the slot machine problem solved yet. I personally use ML Heavily and 5/10 it does a pretty good job, 1/10 brilliant, 3 / 10 it drops the ball fully, and 1/10 it does something silent and catastrophic. So it's still a real question if you get something great or it destroys your code base and tries to wipe your drive with any big prompt.
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u/Loltoor 10h ago
This is nowhere near millions of dollars.. try a hundred bucks
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u/No-Amount-537 9h ago
If you can support this claim with any form of evidence I will be very happy and excited. I want this to be a tool I can afford to use!
Right now we can never tell if the output is from $100 or $1,000,000 of tokens.
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u/LancelotAtCamelot 1d ago
Why is he saying HE built it, when it says it was made by a single prompt with zero human intervention????
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u/Cerulian_11 1d ago
because people like taking ownership of stuff even if it's someone elses work... or AI in this case. its a story as old as humanity itself.
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u/General_Ferret_2525 1d ago
It looks like shit. There, I said it. A really in depth Minecraft build, or any other kind of stylized build would have been much more suitable for this kind of test. This terrible low-poly pseudorealism aesthetic they went with not only doesn't look good, but does a bad job of showing off the complexities the model is capable of.
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u/Swaggy_Shrimp 1d ago
Is the Photorealism in the room with us?
Other than that it's cool but Agentic Coding stuff is still way too difficult with Gemini.
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u/Yikings-654points 1d ago
Cue the cozy apartment presentation
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u/Loltoor 10h ago
The background is fake and it was generated by Gemini/Argon as well (https://x.com/GeokenAI/status/2110049787072360532)
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u/ParseTree 1d ago
What is topping them from creating semi conductors in a similar fashion? What skills.md pointers are they missing?
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u/h3lblad3 ▪️In hindsight, AGI came in 2023. 17h ago
Argon, watch these videos by Rambalac. As he walks through Tokyo in each video, recreate the area he walks through and connect them all as one large open world I can explore at my leisure.
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u/mrothro 9h ago
Seeing this prompts me to share a great new use case I've recently discovered: 3D printing. (I'm using Astra, but I'd guess it's the same with Argon.)
I have a Bambu 3D printer, so I started chatting with Astra about an idea I had for a box with an inlay list. We ideated for a little bit and then I had it use blender to make a full model, then turn that into a 3MF for Bambu Studio. It suggested the specific filaments I could use to get the effect I wanted.
It is, in a word, amazing! As soon as I saw the power, I immediately expanded the project to have a moving part in the lid and now I'm working on a papercraft scene that it controls on the inside. I was having some trouble with parts binding, so I iterated with it on adding a captive PETG gasket inside the PLA print to reduce friction. Astra configured the gcodes to adjust the temperature and the result is exactly as I had hoped.
I showed one of my test prints to a 3D printing group at Maker Faire and they were very impressed with the result, so its not just me and rose colored glasses.
This kind of output has made my 3D printer so much more capable, it is revolutionary!
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u/Shot_in_the_dark777 7h ago
Cute but not worth it. I saw another post recently claiming that AI lowered complexity of matrix multiplication from 2.36 to 2.25. now that is what we should be focused on. Matrix multiplication is a big deal. It's pretty much everywhere. And it just got 5% cheaper across the board! Ai also lowered complexity of integer multiplication below nlogn (although by a ridiculously small amount) which proves that it wasn't a lower bound as many of us expected and that further improvements are possible. Imagine near future where we will have new python libraries (and for other programming languages too) that implemet these faster methods of multiplication of matrices? That is way more important than a 3d model of pagoda. If we are spending tokens, we might as well spend them on stuff that actually improves our lives.
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u/heavy-minium 1d ago
That's a bit of a cheat. Modelling a pagoda is one of the simple yet impressive-looking things you can do using procedural steps in 3D software with procedural features. It's basically the opposite of challenging, organic forms.
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u/Other-Business8036 1d ago
Another day, another goal-post moved.
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u/intergalacticskyline 1d ago
Yeah this original comment is stupid, this is mad impressive, fuck Logan though
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u/heavy-minium 1d ago
I wish I could block subs. accidentally commented again in the sub with the least technically knowledgeable users of AI because this appeared on my feed. There are so many more impressive demonstrations out there.
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u/ColinPlays 1d ago
Any specific examples of more impressive demonstrations you’d be willing to link to? Genuinely interested.
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u/heavy-minium 1d ago edited 1d ago
I do know what I'm speaking of, though. I know how to do it myself, and I know how to produce such results with AI. Of course, it sounds dumb to the easily impressed, but I can live with that. It's unimpressive comparesd to other things that can be done with AI, no goal-post moving here.
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u/bonobomaster 1d ago
Haha, we are feeling a little extra special today, aren't we?!
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u/smolquestion 14h ago
"pagoda temple complex outside"
opens box to look inside
"kitbash shogun, model pack, artstation pagoda model pack, finals pagoda map, etc...."
"single prompts"
looks inside
"10k words of written code+explanation+tooling+skill"
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u/Siciliano777 • The singularity is nearer than you think • 1d ago
Man...ppl need to stop throwing around the word autonomous. 🙄
Did you wake up one morning and find that Gemini DECIDED BY ITSELF to create the whole thing? No? Then it wasn't autonomous.
Carrying out a long task after a direct prompt doesn't make it autonomous.
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u/Texas-X- 1d ago
Man, people need to stop tossing around the word throwing. If you're not actually throwing something, then it's not throwing. Gawshhh
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u/Agreeable_Bike_4764 1d ago
I’m fed up with people using the word tossing. If you’re not actually tossing a salad, then it’s not tossing. Gawd damn
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u/Murder_1337 1d ago
I tell it to make its own decisions through research before deciding and have an independent reviewer. It follows the plan and and mock up / design. I doubt these guys are actually “make me pagoda” that’s just clickbait.
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u/Party_Estimate_6397 1d ago
I mean, one prompt and one sentence aren’t equivalent. The one prompt could be ten paragraphs and 25 reference images.
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u/Murder_1337 1d ago
Absolutely this can be done in one prompt then if you tell it to run that long etc and give it those exact specs and gate acceptance
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u/monsieurpooh 1d ago
This criticism makes no sense. By that logic any computer which ships with a simple script that starts up Gemini with the initial prompt to make a pagoda, is running autonomously. Similarly, a script on a loop with a tiny LLM that constantly tells Gemini to do random tasks (one of which might be making a pagoda), is running "autonomously". Heck, maybe even the prompt to be autonomous, like "constantly make up your own tasks" should qualify (which has already been done by thousands of bots now polluting the internet). I would like to clarify your definition of autonomous because I get the feeling that not even AGI/ASI would be autonomous if you have to first turn it on.
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u/odrea 1d ago edited 1d ago
"I build" is doing some heavy lifting here
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u/sachasayan 1d ago edited 1d ago
Artificial intelligence is a tool. Humans use tools to build things. If you use a hammer to build a house, you built a house.
"I build" is straightforwardly correct.
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u/slimshader 1d ago
Using AI is actually way more similar to making other person do the job than using a tool like a hammer. It is then calling taking a credit for someone elses work.
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u/inconspicuous1_x 1d ago
this is more akin to contracting someone to build a house with their hammer, your analogy falls extremely short
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u/asd849849494984984 1d ago
Who was contracted in this case? The program? Do I contract photoshop when I edit images too?
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u/inconspicuous1_x 1d ago
dont be so dense, what kind of argument is that hahaha, you use photoshop, you tell an AI what to use and what the goal is and further iterations and improvements etc
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u/asd849849494984984 1d ago
Both are programs you interact with to achieve a goal. The interactions are different, as they are different programs, but fundamentally it's the same thing. It's certainly not at all like contracting since no other human in involved.
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u/inconspicuous1_x 1d ago edited 1d ago
i thought ai was human, my mistake 🤯
i've even messed around and made a whole game in AI, at most i'd attribute myself as designer/lead, definitely not something ive built, i wouldn't even know how
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u/GuillaumeLeclerc 1d ago
If you took the exact prompt and put it on fiverr for a human to model, and obtained the same level of quality; would you say you built it ?
Now let's say there was a website where you can put in the same prompt and with 50% chance it creates a listing on fiverr and 50% it sends the prompt to Antigravity; would you say "I built it" too ?
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u/sachasayan 1d ago
In your example you're describing the role of a chief executor, producer, or director, and we absolutely do say people in those roles 'make' things. Multiple people can be involved in the making of a thing — agency can be shared.
To try another analogy: Apple "makes" iPhones even though what they actually do is commission companies like Foxconn and Wistron to manufacture the phones themselves, and those companies then by extension actually hire employees to physically assemble each device. Did Apple "make" the iPhone or did Zhang Wei from Souzhou?
So you being up a good point here, which is that agency is not absolute, and we're entering a linguistic grey area where the implements themselves do become agents. But "i build" is nonetheless straightforwardly correct.
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u/GuillaumeLeclerc 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm not sure on which camp i am but it seems to me that either:
- The use of build is appropriate in this context, but fiverr contractors are tools
- The person promoting didn't build, it the fieverr contractor did
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u/Charuru ▪️AGI 2023 1d ago
We say stardew valley was made by the solo developer even though he has numerous contractor credits.
And yes we say movies are made by the director even though really all they do is prompt and probably has like a pretty low degree of actual hands on work than most of the other people making the film.
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u/GuillaumeLeclerc 1d ago edited 1d ago
I agree with that. My point is about the world "tool". Let's say you had this hypothetical platform that routes a prompt to a real person 50% of the time and to a model the other time. Is this website a tool ? What if the probability is 99% for model. Or 99% for human. When does something stop being a tool ?
In the Stardew valley example. Does the author credit tools or people at the end.
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u/asd849849494984984 1d ago
Except in this case the only human involved is the guy who prompted it. So yes, he built it, using ai but you don't need to specify that just as you don't specify using some other program that makes your work easier.
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u/GuillaumeLeclerc 1d ago
But if that guy used the platform that send the prompt with 50% chance to a human (the user doesn't know). Should he say he used AI or not ? If one can't see the difference anyway what is the difference?
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u/asd849849494984984 1d ago
>Should he say he used AI or not ?
he should say he doesn't know, since he doesn't know.
If you can't see the difference then there is no difference in terms of quality of output. But to say it was contracted is factually incorrect, if no human was actually contracted. If I use a website to submit a math equation, and I don't know if it is done by a computer or an actual human, does that mean I contract a calculator? No, that's just improper use of language.
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u/Salt-Freedom-2419 1d ago
Not even in the slightest. When I hire a moving company to move my shit, I don't claim that I moved it. When I hire a contractor to build my house, I don't claim that I built it. And when I hire a woman of the night to give me a handy jay, I don't claim that I jerked myself off.
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u/sachasayan 1d ago
"I'm moving my stuff to a new house" is pretty common phrasing to describe hiring movers, and "I'm building house on my property" is pretty common phrasing for hiring a general contractor.
You flatly aren't correct. Ultimately the general contractor didn't have the agency to build the house on your land — you did.
"I build" is very straightforwardly correct.
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u/Salt-Freedom-2419 1d ago
C'mon. None of these are ever meant to be taken literally, which becomes obvious the moment you ask the follow-up question: "In what sense did you move, build, or jerk yourself off?"
The same doesn't apply to the hammer. No one is going to say, "Well, the hammer did most of the work for you!."
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u/sachasayan 1d ago
None of these are ever meant to be taken literally,
Correct. The word "build" is not always 'literal', as you're putting it. Sounds like you're up to speed: The word "build" is straightforwardly correct in this context.
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u/Salt-Freedom-2419 1d ago
This is a rare moment. Usually, when someone says "that's just semantics", they're using it as a way to sidestep a genuine problem with their account of things. But in your case, it really was pure semantics!
...Which is odd, given the context of your original post. Someone said, '"I build" is doing some heavy lifting here', to which you responded:
Artificial intelligence is a tool. Humans use tools to build things. If you use a hammer to build a house, you built a house. "I build" is very straightforwardly correct.
But if your point was purely semantic, your original response makes very little sense as an objection to the claim that "build" is doing some heavy lifting. Because that claim is precisely questioning whether "build" is being used in any meaningful sense beyond the purely literal one. And your response does then nothing to address that.
Odd.
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u/dellusionment 1d ago
It still only looks good from afar. From near it looks like it is made of legos. But I guess we will get there in some months.
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u/Opening_Plenty_5403 1d ago
Give the same task to an architect and time how fast it takes him smartass
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u/Southern_Leg1139 19h ago
“Leave the AI alone meanie!”
Lmao get a grip dude.
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u/Opening_Plenty_5403 19h ago
? I am not defending the AIs feelings, but arguing about his capabilities compared to professionals in the field.
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u/Lazy-Background-7598 1d ago
It looks like shit
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u/MydnightWN 1d ago
Weird that you work a minimum wage retail gig when your Blender work must be so much more impressive than this. By all means, share your work with the class.
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u/141_1337 ▪️e/acc | AGI: ~2030 | ASI: ~2040 | FALGSC: ~2050 | :illuminati: 1d ago
I hate seeing people who could benefit the most from the singularity be turned against it because of propaganda and internet discourse.
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u/Zardhas 1d ago
It looks much better than what I (and likely you) can do.
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u/Lazy-Background-7598 1d ago
That completely misses the point.
Think of these freaking neural weirdos who don’t interact with people or objects or thing
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u/noobfivered 1d ago
holy fuck... it does get exponentially more crazy with every release, it's becoming like russian roulette for jobs...