r/singapore • • 13h ago

News Singapore keeping options open on haze prosecution against companies as it collects, reviews data: Grace Fu

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/options-open-haze-prosecution-collects-reviews-data-grace-fu-6458601?cid=FBcna&fbclid=IwZnRzaAU8ePBleHRuA2FlbQExAHBkb2YFZmRpZBZRBBRfDgR7RDwE-Ju0DHJWqP75nMBTc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQKNjYyODU2ODM3OQABHghcSq-bn1ISfO6P6TywggjTglExaJ03zjNkP1bUr25ucX2wPsx6l80abaNI_aem_fD8XjNorr-kE8-T5ksIOpw
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u/Hot-Pain503 13h ago

"It's a very difficult year because of El Nino. The weather has been very dry, and we know that the issues are very complex. We wish them well, and we stand ready to assist them where we can," she said.

We wish them well is the most passive thing I've heard from the gov lol

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u/_DeeplySuperficial 12h ago

Basically Singapore alternative to Thoughts and Prayers

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u/bloomingfarts Non-constituency 13h ago

Get paid millions with hefty increment to make this kind of statements. Best job in the world, where to find? /s

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u/sun-ny_day F1 VVIP 11h ago

can introduce me to this kind of job as well?

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u/Independent_Trick446 12h ago

I guess it’s better than “thoughts and prayers”?

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u/EpicYH22 11h ago

Going to send them support by clapping

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u/Imaginary-Duck7848 12h ago edited 12h ago

Can we ask ourselves how Grace Fu even became Minister of Environment in the first place? She was an accountant in her private career for god's sake.

For things which should require decades of knowledge and actual specialists helming it such as THE ENVIRONMENT, why on earth did SHE become the Minister? I doubt she can explain to anyone about basic environmental concept like soil erosion and why it happens, let alone climatic phenomena such as El Nino.

It's the equivalent of having your average auntie drive an F1 car

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u/anticapitalist69 12h ago

The TLDR is that we have a government that is economics-centric. This essentially means that expertise doesn’t matter, because experts can be engaged. However, economists study the economic viability, which optimises GDP above all else.

It’s an unsustainable system of governance.

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u/KeythKatz East side best side 11h ago

Real answer? MSE, like MDDI, MSD and MCCI, aren't real ministries, at least one where the minister in charge has any say or impact at all. They're not related to the economy and there's a trend of recent ministers being mostly minority or women. They never say anything of note or make any commitments because they literally can't do anything. It's primarily a PR role.

It's harsh but they're ministries to throw people into for diversity purposes or because they're too senior to demote. The same faces get cycled through these ministries because they can't be trusted with an important one. There's a lot of title inflation in the cabinet used to reward long service as an MP.

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u/schweddyballsac 11h ago

There’s probably some truth in this because i can’t even name one of those ministries from those abbreviations without more thought and guesswork.

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u/KeythKatz East side best side 10h ago

I first noticed it with MDDI, formerly MCI and MICA. 2 ministers ago was Yaacob Ibrahim. It's generally agreed that he's a useless minister and literally cycled through 3 of the 4 ministries I mentioned along with taking Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs which is the most PR role of all of them. I met him almost 15 years ago and couldn't shake the sense that he was just a token figurehead.

The previous minister was Israwan. I don't think there's a need to explain more.

The current minister is Josephine Teo. She was thrown into this ministry from MOM after she made herself untenable as an anchor minister and that's the biggest evidence for my theory about these ministries.

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u/BadFinanceadvisor 5h ago

The only ministers with the relevant experience leading their respective portfolio, is Shan and CCS. The rest of the cabinet are from utterly different industries that has little commonality with their current portfolio. Very jarring and janky system.

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u/griffoberwald69 5h ago

Weetminster Parliamentary system: the civil servants are the experts. The politicians of the government are appointed ministers to oversee the work of the various ministries and ensure that they are delivering according to the mandate on which they campaigned for election.

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u/justuslim 3h ago

In short. People managers

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u/butbeautiful_ 8h ago

that’s why bcrs, maju gillman forest, haze is like nothing to sustainability or environment.

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u/fawe9374 2h ago

Largely the ministries is run by Perm Secs, the Ministers are there for legislation, the Government likes to sell the idea that Ministers are doing all the work so you feel dependent on them.

Reality is that the ministries will survive very long without Ministers, just that no new policies or legislations will be made.

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u/Anorakky 27m ago

This is what you get in a scholar-run elitist system. Everyone in there underestimates what needs to be done but has inflated egos to admit they don’t.

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u/minisoo 9h ago

Well we have ng eng hen who was a surgical oncologist becoming our minister for defence. Tell me how a doctor can grasp the deep technicality of defence?

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u/fawe9374 2h ago edited 2h ago

Ng Eng Hen: I can plan military strategies with surgical precision. Each part of the military is like an organ, they work together in harmony.

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u/[deleted] 5h ago

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u/FlipFlopForALiving East side best side 4h ago

Do NS already can become Min of Def, isn’t that also equivalent of average uncle drive F1 car? Lol

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u/HidingCat President of the Old Peoples Club 1h ago

I don't agree that needs to be the case, just need people who are competent. See Ng Eng Han, who is after all, a doctor. I'd say he was an exceptional defence minister.

Now, competency on the other hand...

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u/ChristianBen 5h ago

That’s not how ministering works…

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u/Ok-Cup-1691 12h ago

The voters

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u/bloomingfarts Non-constituency 4h ago

Makes ppl also question about the kind of calibre like TSL and Jo Teo doing what they are doing now.

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u/sdarkpaladin Job: Security guard for my house 4h ago

That's the whole government in general, no?

Most of the time, you have people without knowledge on a subject leading the statboard or ministry.

Whether they can actually do the job is really a toss up.

But the feeling is that, most of them just focus more on optics, buzzwords, new hotness, over actually understanding what they're leading.

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u/lawlianne Flat is Justice. 3h ago

Maybe it's a saigang designation and they just throw their most disposable players out to fill the gap. Bo bian. Does it look like she wants to do it also lol.

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u/zenqian 56m ago

Can always step down right? Say until she so pitiful

She earning how much?

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u/worldcitizensg 3h ago

If we look in to CEO of major Singaporean companies. Either Accountants or Lawyers. No specific domain knowledge or skills. Because all it matters is "numbers" or "talk through it or make sure someone else is causing the problem"

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u/Accurate-Algae-2557 11h ago

Armchair thoughts..

Maybe there really isn’t much suitable candidate for ministerial position. No one wants the publicity, everyone is happy as perm sec, etc. in any case, minister command and steer the ministry with context to other governmental issue and cabinet issue, on top of political party issue. So all she has to do is to wield her experts and advisors below.

So it just happens she is the best person for that portfolio. Does she need to know everything in environ? Maybe not. Is she steering and taking action efficiently and effectively? Not so sure. Probably not, because as others have pointed out there are many things we can do to alleviate. What happened to all the covid era learnings right?

Partly i think her hands are tied with making big statements and taking big actions. Because waiting for other hot topic issues to run down the pipeline…say maybe waiting for MFA to sort things out politically?

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u/Moist_Nothing9112 3h ago

Think a paid subscription Claude or astra will do a better job than her

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u/priore8 12h ago

When it comes to preserving forests, she gives in.

When it comes to plastic bag charges, she reverses what Amy Khor said in 2018 about how imposing a fee is not meaningful.

When it comes to BCRS being a zero-sum game of "portraying green efforts" yet using electricity to power the very same machines island wide 24/7 and having suppliers print more labels and incur unnecessary costs, she's all in.

And here you are expecting her to take swift and decisive action against these companies?

Come on.

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u/capystriker 13h ago

"I told you we are on top of the situation."

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u/Boo248 9h ago

Clearly on top in the pollution chart.

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u/Kindly-Jury921 13h ago

More satki than monitoring the situation.. i guess 😂

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u/ZeaSG 13h ago

“Singapore hopes Indonesia succeeds in extinguishing the fires within a month, says Minister for Sustainability and the Environment Grace Fu.”

Why is she reinforcing the obvious convenient statement from Indonesia? The region is entering intermonsoon and the rain will reach the fire areas soon. 

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u/peterthewiserock 13h ago

Government should just revoke all of their 50% tax rebates they are giving every company this year.

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u/risingsuncoc Senior Citizen 12h ago

The 50% rebate capped at $40k, to the large companies it’s insignificant to them

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u/PitifulFill7304 4h ago

No sg bank accounts for ID govt officials

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u/not_qz 12h ago

Entire country suffering, after passing a law to persecute companies causing this, and the result is to not use it?

What are they waiting for then

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u/Delicious_Willow_733 9h ago

'Entire country?' - The elites in their bunker:

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u/Hunkfish 2h ago

Maybe her house got whole air filtration system

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u/PitifulFill7304 7h ago

Haze should be her KPI and she should not get her full salary. No other way if they insist on such high salaries. Take accountability; bear the consequences, get replaced in the next cycle.

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u/frozen1ced Own self check own self ✅ 11h ago

Singapore is “keeping its options open” on whether it will take action against errant companies under its Transboundary Haze Pollution Act, said Minister for Sustainability and the Environment Grace Fu on Oct 14.

Ok some interesting background for those interested about this Act:

Since the Act was enacted, no one has been fined or sued.

Singapore previously invoked the Transboundary Haze Pollution Act following the severe haze episode in 2015.

NEA identified fires on concession lands associated with six Indonesian companies and issued legal notices to them under the Act.

Investigations into two of the companies were subsequently closed after NEA accepted their explanations that they were no longer associated with the affected land when the fires occurred.

Investigations into the remaining four companies are still ongoing, more than a decade after the 2015 haze episode.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-haze-transboundary-haze-pollution-act-nea-6452196

Now go figure.

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u/PlayGamesM 6h ago

Exactly, useless law in Singapore.

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u/No_LifeSinkie 12h ago

We have a bunch of spineless overpaid ministers in charge who have no clue how to stand up for our rights

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u/six3oo 4h ago

LOL. Indonesia needs to send us domestic workers as much as we need them. Otherwise they will lose a key source of foreign remittance and all those college grads will remain unemployed and start joining the widespread protests.

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u/Standard-Fan8205 4h ago

Then let them? Why are we acting like we need their business more than we value our citizens health

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u/ChottoTheFuck 4h ago

I would argue public health takes priority over material profits. Action speak louder than words, they obviously think otherwise

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u/kopisiutaidaily 13h ago edited 13h ago

What options is she talking about? Option to let them go with a small slap on the wrist like they did the last time?

Again with her pointless PR replies that has no meaning whatsoever… there’s literally nothing. Seems like the approach this govt is taking. Monitoring 2.0?

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u/PitcherTrap West Coast 13h ago

Strongly worded "Oi!" during ASEAN meeting

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u/ZeaSG 11h ago

Somehow I agree with Calvin that Malaysia seems to be handling the diplomacy with Indonesia better.

What I’m curious about is why Malaysia is already talking task force / operational cooperation with Indonesia, while Singapore mostly says we “stand ready to assist”.

Also wonder if having a Malay-speaking minister involved would help a bit with rapport and negotiation. Not saying language solves everything lah, but for neighbour-to-neighbour diplomacy, nuance matters.

Of course Indonesia still has to accept the help first.

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u/SoupOpening917 7h ago

That Vivian foreign minister can speak Malay mah. Grace can call Vivian for a favour and have some girl talk.

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u/thehohungyi 13h ago

I’d have more respect for them if they followed that with a finger pointing then: “You don’t chee bye.”

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u/SugisakiKen627 13h ago

what do you expect her to do or even try, if she will just get voted in. SG is getting the government it deserved, the wayang govt

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u/PitcherTrap West Coast 13h ago

K, I will die from lung cancer before anybody gets charged under this act.

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u/TimidBear 13h ago

Indonesians have it worse than us, drink more water to flush out the toxins 🙏

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u/wahchicken 5h ago

My view is that willingness to help and permission to intervene are two different things. Singapore and Malaysia can offer firefighting assistance, but they cannot simply send teams or aircraft into Indonesia without its consent. If that consent is withheld, there are limits to what neighbours can do, however justified the frustration.

Corporate accountability is a separate issue. Singapore already has the Transboundary Haze Pollution Act, including provisions covering conduct overseas. The difficulty is establishing legal responsibility and obtaining the evidence needed to enforce it across borders. A company being linked to a supplier or plantation is not, by itself, proof of liability.

That does not mean companies should get a free pass. It means the pressure should be on transparency, evidence-sharing and enforcement

—not the assumption that Singapore can simply enter another country or prosecute companies based on association alone.

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u/stockmon 13h ago

We are monitoring the situation.

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u/chiawy 11h ago

Sumatra, Kalimantan, toxic haze, Sarawak, Sabah, Johor, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Philippines, Papua New Guinea

PT Damai Agro Sejahtera, Bumitama Agri, PT Kayung Agro Lestari, First Resources, ANJ, Fangiono, PT Mitra, PT Arjuna Utama Sawit, First Borneo Plantations, Prabowo, Syahganda Nainggolan

We didn't start the fire It was always burning since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it

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u/phagosome 13h ago

How is she actually Minister material?

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u/sh1nyballs 13h ago

Step down la Grace Fu

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u/beef_horfun67 13h ago

She just got a huge increment, you think she will step down ah.

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u/Gaddaim 12h ago

65% still happy with her

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u/princemousey1 13h ago

Step down gracefully lah.

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u/Anxious-Opposite-590 13h ago

"keep options open" "due consideration" "monitoring"

You couldn't sound more pathetic and useless if you tried

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u/4JiaoHao2JiaoGengHao 13h ago

Translation: we are not going to be as decisive as when using POFMA because these Indon companies have their corporate offices here and going hard on them means they will just pack up and leave… to KL or some other cheaper city.

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u/horsetrich 6m ago

Translation: we are monitoring the situation

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u/boredomez リア充爆発しろ! 12h ago

No one learned anything new, and absolutely nothing changed after this disgracefu speech. Wasting everybody, even all the reporter's time. Just keep quiet, take your undeserved increment, and shake leg quietly la.

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u/SoggyPresentation285 13h ago

Minister for Sustainability and the Environment Grace Fu said the country is "keeping our options open" under the Transboundary Haze Pollution Act. When asked about possible prosecution against firms, Ms Fu said Singapore is collecting the data now and would review it carefully.

Given the inordinate number of people working under her ministry and the inordinate number of scenario planning they would have been expected to generate, to do what when what happens, it’s frightening that at PSI levels not seen since 2015, we are still giving out these sound bites.

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u/Frosty-Tough6067 3h ago

Statement like this is simply reactive adopting a wait and see... The situation is now very serious and we need our minister to do more since they are the talents and demanded millions.

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u/arcturuz78 2h ago

wait until the haze is over, take zero action, then rinse and repeat for the next 10 yrs

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u/smilelikeachow 52m ago

But hey, at least they managed to find different words to use like "collect, review data" instead of "monitoring"! That one also considered doing more hor. /s 🙃🤡

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u/Fair-Second-642 12h ago

Fucking hell still keep options open. Why not jusy prosecute them directly already. What's the point of "keeping options open" when the damage is already so obvious? Seriously this Grace Fu is FUcking useless

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u/OldieRascal 12h ago

Options? At this juncture? Still don't know what to do? Or what you want to do? Haze happened yesterday?

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u/jzsee 8h ago

she really is the best at saying alot without saying alot. This is what we are paying so high salaries for right /s

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u/PrimaryCrafty8346 12h ago

Translation: "monitoring the situation"

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u/executeorder69 East Coast 13h ago

Review, monitor, investigate. Where is the gov that had the iron in them /s

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u/FdPros some student 12h ago

eye power only

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u/cy318 7h ago

What good is the law if it cannot be enforced? Year after year, from 2015 till nowl the haze stiuation still remains the same.

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u/NoRegretsFxxkIT 4h ago

collect and review data? I cancelled my trip back to Singapore due to the haze.

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u/Ok-Cup-1691 12h ago

Keeping options open includes 'doing nothing'

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u/jommakanmamak 11h ago

Textbook pr answer

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u/Decent-Step-9187 10h ago

Keep options? Just do it! Health at stake!!

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u/Purple_Republic_2966 11h ago

Don’t worry govt is monitoring

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u/PlayGamesM 6h ago

Only talk Nia.

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u/CoolStoryJames 3h ago

most useless minister to date, ready to get voted out in the next cycle

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u/idontgiveaflyingf Free rider 3h ago

At this point, im wondering if we even need a Minister for Sustainability and the Environment.

If we remove her and her ministry, there is no difference. Actually, wait, there is a difference. Our populace wouldnt be the karang guni men/women/children.

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u/Hunkfish 2h ago

The only thing I know that she has sustain successfully is her salary increament LMAO

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u/currytron 13h ago

Grace Fool

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u/joyyzybp 4h ago

So as usual

  • keep monitoring
  • wag finger
  • say Singapore 無代志好做 (bô tāi-tsì hó tsò)

when problems from our bigger neighbours spread to our shores. Business as usual, while they get millions in pay. Good job they have, I oso wan.

And apparently this ministry does not 'fight' against other ministries such as in cases when Maju forest is due to be cleared for housing? Yup, why even have this ministry at all, just like why we even need mayors when, supposedly, the grassroots head should be sufficient?

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u/IvanThePohBear 4h ago

Then how ? Sue Indo?

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u/SnooEpiphanies7144 2h ago

Heavily penalise singapore-linked companies please.

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u/Substantial-Sea-6190 13h ago

What option? Thank the disgusting rats harder?
Or just pray harder?

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u/lawlianne Flat is Justice. 12h ago

At some point PAP needs to know when to cut the useless clowns that are giving their party a bad rep.
They would stand to gain so much votes if they simply cut like their worst 5 ministers at GE.

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u/vistlip95 5h ago

Its well-known that bad individuals doesn't necessarily give the party a bad rep because people voted for the brand itself, and not individuals per se. This is why you see several clowns dare to join the Government, because the brand is hard carrying them.

It's like Nike. Some item quality have dropped, but hey, its still Nike and people are still going to buy it.

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u/xiaorennnn 5h ago

No hesitant to POFMA. But so Hazey to execute a haze law

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u/thestudiomaster 5h ago

Keeping options open is another way of saying "monitoring"

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u/sonertimotei 5h ago

Haze started since 1970s, want to collect till when?

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u/Agreeable_Mention963 5h ago

Options open but never exercised. A fat lot of good that would do

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u/SciTeo 4h ago

In short, she is a monitor lizard which is only monitoring the situation.

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u/GenesectX 3h ago

tl;dr monitoring

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u/jay1426 3h ago

Yeah and what do we do when Indonesia whack us again...

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u/WoodenLeg2986 2h ago

Pff…. Like real lol

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u/AJ-Dybansta 2h ago

Haze fucking peoples health up, hospital systems went down, nurses and doctors and front line people get the brunt of the pressure, residents suffers but at least these gimps got their propsoed salary raises in a day.

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u/douboong 1h ago

Maybe can freeze their SG bank accounts while the courts slowly drag it out over many years.

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u/afraidofrs Own self check own self ✅ 1h ago

Options open

Take into consideration

Will continue to review

= delay tactics

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u/Odyssey481 43m ago

why keeping option open? You have the evidence you prosecute. Question is do you have the political will?

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u/Anorakky 32m ago

Hahah so who is taking charge? Sounds like Maju forest type of response

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u/Economy_Dimension997 7h ago

I think it is fustrating, not trying to defend her but I think this case is so serious that our Foreign Minister n PM needs to step in to put pressure on Indonesia.

I think even Malaysia also cannot do anything to Indonesia.

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u/TheBorkenOne 13h ago edited 13h ago

And then Indonesian government will make noise that we signalling Indonesian companies out, something something bad for relationships, bad neighbor.

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u/pudding567 13h ago

I feel it's unfair to blame her as the haze is not even from here.

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u/Azurebold Fucking Populist 12h ago

I think everyone is more appalled by the nothingburgers of statements that were put out. It’s fair for citizens to want something actionable to be put in place by the government to minimise the issue and mitigate the effects of it. Continuous monitoring and putting up measures is only useful in the short term. Long-term plans would focus more on overall haze reduction no? And that would come from addressing the issue at its root?

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u/pudding567 12h ago

Thank you. I personally hate the political insults that's why I pushed back. Yeah, strict European style supply chain transparency required before imports could be implemented for palm oil related products.

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u/Azurebold Fucking Populist 11h ago

Ah no worries - I hope I didn’t come off as aggressive, really not my intention! I just do seriously hope that something actionable (whilst still being sustainable and not disastrous for us) could be done soon. I don’t think I’m in a position to comment on what would be effective lmao.