r/Sauna • • Aug 18 '22

Community Announcement Welcome to r/Sauna!

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Welcome to the fastest growing sauna community in the world.

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Rules

We have rules to ensure that the members have a pleasant experience when interacting with the community. The rules are very simple, so please keep these in mind while you are here.

If you have any questions or concerns, you are always welcome to contact the Mod Team.

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Keep things civilised and respectful.

Be a helpful guide to good sauna, not the sauna police. Different people have different resources and cultural knowledge with sauna. An argument in good faith is OK if you remain respectful of others, but insulting or belittling others will earn a ban.

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Remember that sauna cultures vary across the world.

Some people enter the sauna room with a stopwatch, others with a cold beer. In some places people build saunas one way, some a different way. You don't necessarily need to understand it, but try to respect it.

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No spam, including advertisement of goods and services.

This includes not just commercial entities, but also self promotional posts by influencers seeking to increase views on their social media channels.

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No medical advice or misinformation.

This is not a place to get specific medical advice for any individual or condition, and it is not a place for sharing misinformation regarding medical benefits to sauna. If you have medical concerns you should consult a doctor, not post to Reddit. The one exception to this rule is linking to peer reviewed research published in a scientific journal. Medical advice other than a recommendation to see a doctor will be removed and posts soliciting medical advice will be locked.

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Culture and History of the Finnish sauna

u/CatVideoBoye/ wrote a very nice description of the Finnish sauna culture and is also touching on the history of sauna. It is a good read and gives you insight into the tradition. You can find the original post here, or you can read the slightly shortened version below.

It’s also a very good start to watch the short video UNESCO has posted on YouTube about the Finnish sauna culture: https://youtu.be/qY__OOcv--M

What's a sauna?

Like most of you already know the word sauna comes from Finnish. We have had saunas here for thousands of years and according to wikipedia, the oldest are from around 1500-900 BC. It was an important building and in the old days people have even given birth in saunas, as late as the first half of the 1900s. Probably since it was a nice separate building with access to warm water. In 2020 Finnish sauna was added to UNESCO’s Cultural Heritage List. Check the link out for more interesting information but I want to again highlight that. It really shows how important it is in our culture.

Nowadays pretty much everyone in Finland has access to a sauna of some sort. Houses have them, many apartments, like mine, have one and apartment buildings can have a common sauna where you can rent your private hour and they can have a certain period during which anyone can just go there. And of course summer cottages have a sauna and the ones next to a lake are kind of the perfect image of a Finnish sauna. Plus all the public saunas in swimming halls, gyms, hotels etc. Temperature in a sauna can vary but usually it's between 80-120 °C (176-248 F). Mine is oddly low at 60°C but that is because the ceramic stones that I now use really change the way the löyly (water thrown on the stones on the heater to generate steam) hits you. It is softer and accumulates well instead of being kind of short burst of heat that dissipates quickly. I've tried at 80 and I was out of there really quick unlike with more common stones. One reason why staring at a thermometer doesn't make sense. Just try it and see what feels good. And you other Finns, that 60 really sounds low but I tell you, I'm getting out of there after I guess something like 10-15 minutes with red skin so it really works.

Wood or electric? Both work. Wood heated ones are usually considered to be the best. You get a nicer löyly there but they aren't really an option in an apartment house. An electric heater that has a lot of stones can actually give a very similar löyly. I just experienced one that I believe had 500 kg of stone. Same with a small electric heater (20 kg) with the ceramic stones. All of those options are great for a sauna. As long as there are proper stones and you can freely throw water to get the löyly you want. Löyly is the essential thing here. Without it, you can't really call it a Finnish sauna and that is why Finns do not really consider IR boxes to be saunas. This ties to one of the topics often argued: do you need a drain? Yes you do. Not necessarily inside the sauna if you have the bathroom outside. Mine has only a shower drain but the sauna floor is tilted so that any water flows directly there. It's also good for washing the sauna.

Bench heights are often discussed here but why does it matter? Because heat rises. The lower part of a sauna is cold and you want to get your head close to the ceiling and your feet high enough to not feel cold. The "feet at the stone level" is just a nice helper for a basic heater. For tower shaped ones you probably want to find out the exact height. This is also why you need to have proper air flow in the sauna. You want the hot air and fresh air mixed, you want the moisture to leave after you're done and you don't want the heat escaping due to wrongly implemented ventilation. Don't ask me about construction things, I don't know anything about that. I just know mine was built according to Finnish standards and my apartment won't rot if I use it.

What we do in a sauna?

For me sauna is a place to wash since I don't often take a shower without heating the sauna. Yep, I heat it up often. It's also a place to relax and to socialize. I sometimes have friends visiting and we heat it up, chat in there and have a beer on the balcony. It's a place where you can forget about your phone, social media and all that and just focus on your thoughts, happy or sad, or have deep discussions with your friends. There is something about the atmosphere that makes people open up in a sauna and talk about more private things. I know I'm not the only one. I've heard many people say that sauna is the place where they talk about the deep stuff with friends.

The idea of maxing health benefits, that have been found in recent studies, is just not something we Finns really understand. Why? Because we've been to saunas for many other reasons throughout our lives. It's so integral part of my everyday life that making it a spa treatment or some healthy excercise just doesn't fit my understanding of saunas. But if you want to pursue those health benefits, a high enough heat and a strong enough löyly is what you want because that is how we have gone to saunas and gained the benefits that were seen in the studies. Do you need to measure your heart beat and have exact temperature? No. You'll feel your heart bumping and you'll feel the need to get out sooner or later. Staring at heart beat or timers takes away from one of the important points: just sit and relax and let your mind wonder. Löyly transfers additional heat from the boiling water to your body and gets your heart beating fast. That's also good to remember if you actually hunt for health benefits. Sitting in a luke warm cabin with no löyly for a certain time is definitely not the same thing that gave Finns health benefits.

Saunalike concepts in other cultures and countries

Sure, there are similar things in many other cultures. They are not inferior to sauna, they are just a different thing. They have their own cultural backgrounds and reasons to exist. "This is not a sauna." is what you often see written here but that is not meant as an insult that your heated cabin sucks. It just means that we Finns do not really appreciate it if the thing in question is called a sauna, because it does not meet the definition of what we have considered a sauna for thousands of years. Finland is a rather remote and small/unknown country and one of the things people know about us is sauna. That is why many of us would like to keep the image of sauna as correct and original as possible.


r/Sauna • • Jul 03 '23

Community Announcement Coming back

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Reddit is changing - and not necessarily for the better. A lot of long term users who've been responsible for a lot of higher quality postings are leaving or reducing the time they're spending on reddit - and while we don't expect this to be an issue to r/sauna right now it might become a problem in the future.

In addition to that some of us also are spending less time on reddit now - in part forced by Reddit taking away mobile access. This can make responses to reports and mod mail slower. We're currently working on tooling to help us compensate for this to some extend.

With the reopening we're introducing some rule changes:

  1. No more IR sauna posts. For IR sauna you have two options:
    • Post in the IR Sauna community over at r-sauna.fi. For the time being a link to that will be reposted in r/sauna, with comments disabled. Discussion should happen on Lemmy
    • Move over to r/IRsauna. This will need volunteers for a mod team - if there are volunteers we can help setting that up.
  2. We'll watch other contentious topics closely, and may decide to force other topics causing too much trouble into other forums as well.
  3. New posts must be correctly flaired. posts without flair will be held by automod and/or deleted.
  4. We'll change how we deal with rule changes. Generally you'll receive three warnings from the mod team, with the next infraction resulting in a permanent ban.
  5. The following infractions will result in a ban without a warning:
    1. Breaking the Reddit Content Policy
  6. Clearer handling of posts/comments from users with commercial interest. We're still working on that one - but can say it'll be mainly two things:
    1. Better guidelines and text templates on how to reply without getting in trouble - so far those were often judgment calls on individual messages.
    2. Flairing and some level of verification for commercial users - one option might be maintaining a profile in a dedicated Lemmy community. Input is welcome here - we'd like to make it easy to identify and access a summary of the business attached to such users.

We are planning to eventually set up a full sync between Lemmy and Reddit, possibly going as far back as this announcement. For now we'll be continuing with automated re-posting of Lemmy content, but will expand as development progresses.


r/Sauna • • 9h ago

My sauna New stove!

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Got my new stove installed two days ago and finally got around to filling it up to working condition!

Old one for comparison, it had seen better days in the very distant past lol! Technically with a new set of coils it would still work but eh.. It was time to let her go, let's just say.

EDIT: If anyone is wondering about the expenses, here in Finland this whole thing cost me:

Stove, Harvia Cilindro PC70 Black Steel: 269€ ($301,44 USD)

Rocks, black vulkanite 4x20kg: 83,60€ ($93,68 USD)

Delivery fee: 30,90€ ($34,64 USD)

Physical install by me so technically free, just bloodied knuckles from setting the stones, but I did have a friend who's an electrician hook it up and paid 60€ ($67,24 USD) to him for the trouble.


r/Sauna • • 8m ago

My sauna Water Tap

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Unfortunately not beer


r/Sauna • • 5h ago

DIY Should I/can I convert this to a sauna?

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I love to build cabins and forts, and so I built this one. It’s kind of just a little studio, but nobody uses it. Everyone in the family wants a sauna, and I’m thinking it’s possible to convert this?

It’s 7x8’. The interior height is about 6 at the walls, up to 8’ at the peak. That’s my biggest concern, but I know barrel saunas function, if not as well as flat ceilings, they do function.

I did use plywood sheathing on the exterior of three sides, but I would install foil and natural wood on the inside.

Also, the floor is currently single-layer 1x6 tongue and groove, so I’d need to beef that up.

I would put in an electric heater, not wood.

What do you think?


r/Sauna • • 9h ago

Maintenance Is my stove cooked?

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This is the condition of my elements when I did my annual-ish stone inspection. Everything was functioning fine and the stones were in great condition. Seeing this I'm not sure what to do:

A. Put the stones back in and pretend I saw nothing, or

B. Explore a likely costly repair.

This is a HUUM Steel 10.5kW.


r/Sauna • • 16h ago

DIY Sauna Build in MN

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Foundation floor done resting 6x6s on helical piers drilled over 4 ft into the ground. Helical piers is the only part of the project I am not DIYing. Well worth it so far! Minimal natural disruption to area and perfectly level with air flow underneath. French Drain is covered by the 2x8 in the pic. Thanks for all your advice in your book and online Glenn!


r/Sauna • • 24m ago

General Question How to address cold feet in inherited sauna

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Hi All!

I recently moved into a new house and inherited this sauna from the previous owner. It's 6x4x6'3. It works fine, but the temperature discrepancy between the lower bench (where feet go) and the upper bench is pretty drastic and I'd really like to do something about it. It seems clear that the heat is not circulating.

Could you please help me identify some options for normalizing the heat in the lower area?

From my limited experience on this subreddit, it seems like the issue might be related to the fact that there is no exhaust vent, just an intake and drying vent. Also the positioning of the heater isn't ideal, with the stones being several inches above the bottom bench.

Could I simply cut out a circle for a passive vent here (where circled), or is there more to it than that? Any other low-cost/effort solutions that might help, even modestly?

Thanks in advance!


r/Sauna • • 1h ago

General Question How’s my sauna lookin?

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r/Sauna • • 1d ago

Culture & Etiquette Sometimes controversial, always delicious

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The humble sauna wurst. This time with groats (similar to black pudding minus the blood) cooked on forever old trusty harvia.


r/Sauna • • 8h ago

General Question Small sauna (120x120x200 cm): hot at the top, cold at the floor, and stuffy. Where should the vents go? (Photos with my plan)

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Hi everyone,

I have a small sauna cabin, 120 x 120 x 200 cm (approx. 4 x 4 x 6.5 ft), and I’m trying to fix the ventilation. I’m hoping some of you with more experience can sanity-check my plan before I start drilling.

The problems:
Strong temperature stratification: it gets very hot up near the ceiling, while the floor area and my feet stay noticeably cold. The air feels stuffy and “used up” after a while, even though the temperature is fine.

My plan:
I’ve marked where I’m thinking of adding the vents: an intake right below the heater and an exhaust under the bench on the opposite wall. The idea is to bring in fresh air where the heater can warm it right away and to pull air through the cabin so the cold layer at the floor gets mixed in.

My questions:

  1. Does my placement make sense, or would you put the intake and exhaust somewhere else?
  2. What size should the openings be for a cabin this small? I was thinking of 5cm in, 10cm out.
  3. Should the exhaust have an adjustable slider/damper?
  4. Do I need a fan on the exhaust, or will natural draft be enough in a cabin this size? If a fan makes sense, what kind (heat-resistant, low airflow, adjustable speed)?
  5. Is there anything else I should change to reduce the hot-top/cold-floor effect (heater position, a gap under the door, etc.)?

Thanks in advance, any input is appreciated!


r/Sauna • • 1h ago

DIY Glass tinted door

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What’s the best place to purchase a tinted glass sauna door? Any recommendations or any different types that might work better?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Any last thoughts?

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EDIT: these are just virtual renders! The installation starts next week!

Dear sauna enthusiasts, finally our dream is coming to true, and we are about to have a sauna installed into our home.

Both my husband and I have little experience with diy projects and we felt like we would not want to mess this up, therefore we decided to outsource the project. We received quite a few quotes from various local sauna workshops, most of which were staggering to say the least. We decided to go with a guy who does saunas by himself, both because of the cost and his attitude.

After many, many iterations of what we wanted, this subreddit helped me the most to understand that functionality goes above all other facets of a good sauna. We also had to think about the budget.

- The kiuas is going to be NARVI Ultra (either 9kW or 10kW).
- The cladding and seats are going to be thermo aspen. We thought about the very traditional (in our country) linden wood, but the sauna guy advocated for the aspen, and we agreed.
- The pebble mosaic wall behind the heater is going to be made out of leftover tiles we already had (the stone is natural).
- The LED lights are a bit modern to my tastes and I’m still debating about the ones next to the heater.
- The top bench is going to be at 100cm height. The lower one I believe will hang at 45-50cm.
- The air extraction is at the bottom right corner, underneath the lower bench. The air supply is at the top left, almost right above the heater. This is how the recuperation was installed a few years ago. The air supply is the thing I’m worried about the most.

Have in mind that I myself unfortunately cannot cope with löyly, and will use the sauna dry. Afterwards my husband will enter to create his own löyly chamber of heat as he likes extremely high temperatures.

The sauna be an indoor one, the chamber is adjacent to the shower/bath area. The space is roughly 2.2x2.3m, 2.8m high, although it will get smaller once the insulation and the cladding is installed.

What do you guys think? Somehow I’m kinda nervous. I want the room to be pleasant to be in, to breathe and relax in, for us and our friends to enjoy it.


r/Sauna • • 2h ago

General Question How do you leave an air gap behind wall-mounted sauna benches?

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I'm designing a sauna with the help of a local contractor. Lassi recommends leaving a gap between the benches and walls to improve airflow and drying.

How do you actually accomplish this while keeping the benches structurally supported? Do you use spacer blocks behind the wall-mounted ledgers, special brackets, or something else?

I'm aiming for roughly a 2" gap and would love to see photos or construction details from anyone who's done this. Thanks!


r/Sauna • • 23h ago

My sauna Costco Almost Heaven Oasis (3peraon) with 6kW Harvia KIP won’t get to 185°F. What am I missing?

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I have an Almost Heaven Oasis outdoor sauna with the 6kW Harvia KIP heater with built in controls. I’m trying to figure out why I can’t seem to get the sauna to 185°F or higher.

The heater thermostat is turned all the way up. The heater cycles on and off, but my Harvia Smart Sauna Sensor (not connected to the Harvia heater) usually tops out around 160 to 165°F, occasionally getting close to 170°F. I’ve let it run for over 2 hours, so I don’t think I just need to give it more time. It’s located should/neck level about 20 inches from the Harvia heater.

I did a test this morning and moved the Smart Sauna Sensor right next to the Harvia’s temperature sensor. It climbed to about 175-180°F. When I moved it back to its original location, it was reading around 160 to 165°F. So there seems to be a pretty significant temperature difference from the smart sensor and heater sensor when they are about 6in from each other.

The Harvia sensor is mounted on the wall about 14 inches from the heater and roughly 14 inches below the ceiling.

I also rearranged the rocks to improve airflow, but that doesn’t seem to have made a big difference. The heater appears to be cycling normally.

Is this much of a temperature difference normal? Is the air around the Harvia sensor just that much hotter than the rest of the sauna, or could something else be going on with the sensor placement, ventilation, or heater?

I’d appreciate any suggestions from people who have this setup or know the Harvia KIP well. I’m trying to figure out whether this is normal or if something needs to be corrected.


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

Review Pulled trigger on backyard discovery

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OK, so for context, I was between the backyard discovery and the smaller almost heaven sauna @ Costco.

I decided on the backyard discovery specifically because I got 25% off on bed Bath & beyond. Final price was 2800-ish and I wanted the stronger 9 kW heater.

I do think that the almost heaven sauna would have fit a little bit better in my backyard, but I wasn’t willing to pay an additional thousand dollars just for that.

I had to pay an electrician 1700 to wire it and I also paid that Electrician and additional $500 to build it.
It took three people from 8 AM to 1 AM to wire the house and build the sauna. I was so glad that I paid them to build it because after starting to build at the day before 3 to 4 hours later, I was on step two.

Anyways, I read a lot of negative reviews and so far the only negative review I have is that the touchpad doesn’t work that well knob for temperature and time would’ve been much easier in my opinion.

It does have a Wi-Fi available. I’m yet to connect it but anyways, I am loving the experience so far pretty much the best 3000 or so dollars I’ve ever spent.

Despite it being a little bit bulky, it can definitely fit four people comfortably and I’m loving it so far


r/Sauna • • 6h ago

Health & Wellness *Recommendations needed*

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I am definitely getting an indoor sauna but I have changed my mind at least times on which one to get.
First was vidalux 3 person hybrid then after reading some reviews the hybrids are more maintenance etc then decided on Vidulux traditional 3 person but apparently the bench is too low to enjoy the heat.
My budget is £3000. I did look at Oceanic saunas but the heater is not a Harvia.
TIA


r/Sauna • • 10h ago

? Flooring: Only XPS & Duckboard on slabs?

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I made a base of slabs ( pictures 1 & 2) and the sauna I ordered only comes with a wooden foundation beneath the four walls and a simple duckboard ( example of another customer in picture 3 ).

I read that insulation, airflow and drainage are important for a sauna. Although many people here in Germany don’t consider a drainage to be a must, since we use towels under our bottoms and only splash water onto the rocks sparely.

I bought XPS (Jackodur) plates for insulation and read that they are basically mold resistant, because they can barely soak up any water. AI research and example pictures showed that they could even be put right onto the slaps, with nothing between. Makes me wonder… could I install them with a little slope towards something like a small gravel bed or a few drilled holes in the slabs, so that any water could run down there. Kind of like in picture 4, just without the wood in between.

I’ve seen people create wonderful foundations with wood, XPS, treated wood above. I think due to the duckboard, that is not really necessary. And a real proper drainage system won’t add much to my experience either, as long as I keep the sauna clean and flush the drainage every now and then.

Please share your thoughts on my plans, since I’ve been planning this thing for months now and it will arrive in a few days.
Thank you so much


r/Sauna • • 3h ago

Health & Wellness Started tracking my sessions! Very fun

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r/Sauna • • 15h ago

General Question Potentially stupid question - is the wood finishing in high heat bad for you?

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I'm quite sure the answer is no. But I just would like to be sure. Is the finishing and varnish of the wood, and I'm assuming glue and other chemicals, bad for you when they are under the high heat of the sauna?

I know it sounds silly, but I can't find any answers.


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

General Question Why isn't top-to-bottom recirculation a common design choice for reducing stratification?

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Doesn't matter what height your sauna is, moving the hot air to the bottom would help reduce the temp differential which seems like the goal of many design choices when constructing a sauna. This would be an addition to an already properly vented sauna.

Saunum attempts to do this with their "air blending" system. But why isn't this simple idea up there with "build taller!", "place benches higher!", etc. Seems like you could reduce the differential significantly, with about $150 (probably way less) of materials. I don't care how it's done, it could be interior to the sauna, exterior to the sauna, or even just a stand alone fan pointing up/down. You'd want to avoid creating drafts which shouldn't be an issue as long as you keep the CFM reasonable (wouldn't be any different than mechanical exhaust).

Why isn't recirculating air the norm and not the exception?


r/Sauna • • 20h ago

My sauna New Harvia Heater won’t heat

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Hey everyone. I just got my first sauna. It should be all set up, but the Harvia HPCS9U1H (Cilindro) won’t heat. The control unit says it’s on and heating, the app says it’s on and heating, but nothing. Can anyone help?


r/Sauna • • 1d ago

My sauna Hot Seat = Game Changer

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I posted my build a while back (see link) and since then I've had some time to get used to the experience. I realized at the time I built my benches that the top bench could have been a little higher (about 47" from ceiling), but this was my first real sauna experience and loyly seemed great so I put those thoughts aside and just enjoyed it as it was for a while. It took some time before I started to realize that 8" closer to the ceiling is a totally different experience. I build my throne in the corner recently and it has made a night and day difference in the way the loyly wraps your entire body. The top benches are still very good (good enough for any guest to be in total bliss) but I definitely have found my new favorite spot. Long story short, the loyly pocket is real and if your not entirely in it, you're missing out.

Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sauna/s/DIYdl6CLFS


r/Sauna • • 21h ago

General Question Sauna foil vapor barrier around a wood stove chimney?

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For those using a standard insulated chimney (not a dedicated sauna chimney) with a wood-fired sauna stove, how did you handle the vapor barrier at the ceiling penetration?

I'm using paper-backed aluminum sauna foil and was considering running it up into the framed chimney enclosure, while maintaining the required clearance to combustibles.

My concern is humid sauna air getting into the enclosure around the chimney and condensing in the roof cavity. How well does the ceiling trim ring seal around its outer edge, where it meets the ceiling boards?

How did you handle this junction? Did you use a gasket, high-temperature silicone, or something else.. I'd love to hear what worked for you thanks!


r/Sauna • • 21h ago

General Question AITO Sauna??

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Hi, I was wondering if anyone has purchased or knows about AITO Sauna. I’m a homeowner in Montecito, and I’ve been in the market for a 4-6 person outdoor sauna, and this is one of my top options right now. A lot of the saunas I found online are pretty small, rounded, and don’t have a clean, minimal design. Including a photo of their product for reference :)